(Kiri takes the reigns and gets the
channeling session started.)
Kiri: we are gathered here to mourn the loss
of the body......
Kiri: or should I say dearly
Russ: how about the body’s not gone…
Russ: the inhabitant has taken a vacation for a few hours
Kiri: uh-huh, sixteen give or take a few minutes. (Due to
Mark's ability to time jump during his astral travels to the base.)
Kiri: okay, where are we? Okay we’re up here and you’re
down there. Hmm, now why does that seem so
Russ: can’t we change that around, you come down here and
we’ll go up there, just for once? How about next week?
Kiri: yeah, no problem.
Skip: then we can use your computer babe.
Kiri: I know what’s wrong with it, I know what’s wrong
Russ: why don’t you tell him?
Kiri: because there’s nothing he can do about it. (Mark's
Kiri: the modem is dying.
Russ: we’ll have a memorial service and bury it in the
Kiri: uh-huh. My idea is junk the modem, well junk the
whole entire computer and get a real computer.
Russ: right but in the meantime?
Kiri: but you guys don’t have access to real computers. Now
that we’ve got that out of the way, the webpage, I like
that. What did I say last week though Russ? What
was one of the things that I said?
Russ: well you basically said that all the parameters you
Kiri: uh-huh but what did I say? What was the one
big thing that I said that I wanted?
Russ: that you be impressed?
Kiri: uh-huh, impress me.
Kiri: impress me with your creativity and believe you me,
it takes a lot to impress me, I’ve seen a lot in my 60
Russ: yeah but you’re just a teenager in the grand scheme
Kiri: in my counting yes but in yours no, eh-eh.
I know but I mean good God, think of where
you going to be at in another 200 years?
Kiri: hey I’ll still be a nymphomaniac. Okay now
let’s get down to seriousness for the moment.
let’s sidestep issues of horniness, let’s sidestep issues
of projects, lets sidestep webpages and go straight to
something that should be entertaining for all of us. Okay,
that is coercion…..
your coercion exercises.
Russ: what coercion exercises? Oh yeah right.
Kiri: what.........Skip is it my imagination or does he
have the attention span of a gnat?
Russ: I scored twice in two days on that so I’m doing
Kiri: uh-huh……………..am I impressed?
Russ: I was impressed myself.
Kiri: okay, you want to see coercion? You
want coercion huh? Okay, let’s have a closer look at
coercion and the purposes. What we’ve covered so far
in all our
years of inane rambling?
Russ: well, basically the differences between positive
and negative coercion are the biggest things
we’ve covered and gone over and over and over.
Kiri: uh-huh and also the morals.
the morals of course.
Kiri: and the reasoning why you should and should not use
coercion in certain situations.
also covered how to coerce.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: we’ve also covered why to coerce.
Kiri: okay now then, let’s look at something we haven’t
covered, the actual mental process. I’m not talking about
the how-to, I’m talking about what actually happens in the
mind of the person that you're coercing. How
do you make the brainwave patterns alter? Okay we can talk
about energy fields and things that you wouldn’t
understand or maybe you would. Do either of you guys know
what the energy waves are that are produced by the
Russ: well we’ve gone over it before with various
Kiri: uh-huh, but not in coercion, that’s one thing we
Kiri: okay the way that the mind……..the wave patterns of
their mind, the subject’s mind works is that in actual
fact you can tell when somebody’s been coerced if you can
see their mind waves or brainwave patterns. As long as
you can see patterns and know that they’re not natural
patterns, you can tell that the person's been
Russ: yeah but the person I’ve seen be able to do that
that is Treebeard and our little Bunny.
Kiri: uh-huh, the little horn dog or horn rabbit. Okay
now, when they talk about brainwaves and the way
that the patterns and waveforms occur right? Now for
example let’s say you Skip are coercing Russ and you are
being very clever about it and using my kind
of coercion, total mental coercion without using speech.
Now the fact that I could look at Russ and go,
"okay brain waveforms yes, wait a second, those aren’t
Russ’ waveforms, those look very close to what
Skip’s look like." You see what I’m saying?
Kiri: that somebody that’s been coerced, you can see that
they’ve being coerced by the change in their
wave patterns of their mind. Now it doesn’t have to be in
close proximity, let’s say you’re as talented as I am, yes
I am being conceited with my coercive ability.
Let’s say I am outside and down the street but I’m
focusing my mind on Russ’ mind, our victim. Okay so, Russ’
wave patterns gradually change to something similar to
mine, not totally like mine because to do that I would be
simply turning Russ into an automate and he would have
totally no free will to do anything. I’d have to regulate
everything including his breathing, his heart rate, muscle
movements, digestive tracts, everything. So to totally
take over control means basically I take possession of the
body which means that I’m totally focused in on
Russ’ and not my own body and taking care of my own needs.
So, most people don’t do that. I say most, there are a few
people that do it for various reasons, some of them
positive, some of them negative. But, the fact remains
that the brainwave patterns change to look very similar to mine
but not totally like mine, because everybody has
different brainwave patterns just as they have
ribs and retinals and so on. No two people are totally
identical, not even twins are identical in their
brainwave patterns and their retinal scans and
their fingerprints and their DNA, there is
always a little bit of a difference. So, that’s
how you tell how somebody’s been coerced, whether they’d
been coerced or not. If you can recognize the brainwave
patterns that are similar to the person coercing the
victim, then you are able to track down and narrow down
who is coercing. Now let us say that I am coercing
something that is on a lower
intelligence level like the feline. Okay the feline’s
brainwave patterns are so radically different from mine
that I do the dominating effect. The dominating effect is
where I use sheer will power and energy for the cat to
obey. Now you’ve all seen me do that. That is sheer
stubbornness and power, raw coercive power. There’s
nothing subtle about it, there is nothing skillful about
it, it is just sheer dominating, coercive power. Okay, got
Russ: how do we see brainwave patterns?
Kiri: it takes a lot of skill, it takes a lot of time. To
give you the very, very simplified version is that you get
to know the person, the way that they behave…………..this is
three-dimensional way………..how they react to certain
situations and how they would react to other situations.
Now knowing the person you know how they react so you can
watch their body language for anything that is different
and unusual. Now to actually see the brainwaves takes a
lot of skill and practice and something that I don’t think
you can do on the third dimension but how it is done up
here is basically looking directly at the head and seeing
the auric image. Now once you can focus in on the auric
image, you can actually focus in much finer and see the
differences and the patterns within the different layers
of the aura. Now the patterns within the top part of the
aura or the head are basically like little waveforms that
you would see on an oscilloscope. They go like this and
it’s a very thin and fine and it’s the differences in
colors of the aura, there is a little line in between each
one which corresponds to the brainwave activity. Now the
average person if you focus in on the head, on the aura of
the head, will have about sixty to a hundred
different shades of one color and within each shade if you
focus in tightly on it, you’ll see a little line dividing
each shade. Those little lines are the brainwave
activities and as it radiates out, all the way around, you
will see the various waves and activities and they are
fairly constant depending on the situation and emotional
status. For example, let’s say picking on our favorite
subject tonight…..Russ, let’s say Russ is in a happy,
giddy, youthful type mood. Now by looking at his
brainwave patterns, I would be able to deduce that he’s in
a happy, giggly, boisterous, boyish type
behavior because it would be very rapid lines. Now if Russ
was totally the opposite, sad, depressed, fed up, bored,
tired, you would see a much flatter waveform. It would
still be bumpy but it would be much flatter, much more
suppressed with his suppressed state of mind which
brings me to my next little bit of coercive tidbit. It is
to coerce somebody when they’re in a lowered state of
emotions, action, activity, mood. Now when is that most
Russ: before sleep?
Kiri: before and during sleep. Sleep is when an individual
is the most vulnerable because everything is switched off,
everything is running on bare minimum. So what do we know? Okay
what have we covered?
Skip: brainwaves and coercion.
Kiri: uh-huh and how to recognize when
coerced and when somebody's at their most
Skip: okay, question darling please.
Skip: now my coercion is verbal.
Skip: by using reverse psychology?
Skip: I coerce people into doing things.
Russ: I have a question for you.
Russ: how do you tell when you’re being coerced?
Kiri: well if somebody is good, you can’t.
Russ: right well we’re down here so….
Russ: how do you tell if you’re being coerced?
Kiri: okay because you’re doing something that you
wouldn’t normally do or you're doing something that is
against your beliefs or you’re doing something that
suddenly popped into your mind that felt
like a really good idea that you wouldn’t normally do.
how do you determine that, distinguish that from a wild
Kiri: a wild hare? I’m not familiar with that term.
Skip: okay, a thought pops into your mind…..
Skip: by your own volition.
Kiri: okay, that boisterous side of your nature.
Kiri: how you would deal with it is maybe it’s something
that you don’t want to do. Now do the erroneous thoughts
that you have occasionally that make you do wild
things, most of them are more enjoyable correct? A little
bit mischievous, you get a kick out of it.
Kiri: now if you don’t?
Skip: then somebody’s put it there for you.
Russ: what about like say sex?
Skip: like what?
Russ: sex, you know someone’s trying to coerce you into
having sex with them…..
Russ: and you really want to have sex with them but you
really know better but you just can’t help yourself, you
just want to have sex with this person. It’s really
something you want to do but you know better….
Russ: but it’s hard to tell if that’s you or them. I mean
is it your stupidity or their coercion?
Kiri: that sounds more like a bit of both. I’ve yet to
come across anybody that would knowingly have sex with
somebody that they didn’t really want to for whatever
reason, even though that they really wanted to but they know
better. Somebody that does that either
doesn’t know better, doesn’t think of the consequences or
is being coerced or all three. Now it only works if it is
the combination of all three. You really want to, you know
better but you really don’t care that you know better and
you want to do it anyway and they want you to do it as
Kiri: that is when it works most effectively the coercion
because you really want to do it but you know better but
you really don’t care.
Russ: right or salespeople, our best coercers down here
Russ: and you really want to buy it, it sounds great,
you’d like to try this and buy this but, "God, it’s kind
of out of my price range but I’d really like to buy this,
this guy sounds really convincing."
Kiri: uh-huh, now are you talking about people on your
communication, on your entertainment…..
Russ: no actually just people that walk in or
that you meet in the street.
Kiri: uh-huh right.
had one the other day who sold me big time but I
got what I wanted, she got what she wanted but she was a
hell of a good coercer.
Kiri: okay now, those people work one-on-one, I would say
that they're good coercers. They’re not great, not by the
standards on your planet.
Kiri: now who are the great coercers on your planet?
Kiri: that’s right, a lot of them are politicians.
Russ: sure, and that’s another one where you really want
to vote for these guys…
Russ: even though they don’t stand for a few things that
maybe you do……
Kiri: they talk hell of a storm.
Russ: they talk a hell of a storm and they really got
great charisma and they’d make a great whatever they want
to run for.
Kiri: uh-huh. Now would you say that I have great
Kiri: okay, would you say that I carry myself with a lot
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: would you say that I am, I have great poise?
Kiri: you wouldn’t?
Kiri: what makes you say that?
Russ: because I’d compare you to Karra, Karra has great
Kiri: uh-huh but Karra gets flustered.
Russ: yeah but she has great poise.
Kiri: uh-huh but she gets flustered, do I get flustered?
Russ: I don’t know.
Kiri: uh-huh, I do get flustered but not very often.
Russ: I don’t know, see I don’t deal with you except on
just the channeling sessions so it's not quite the
same. All I know is, comparing you to somebody I do know
who has great poise….
Russ: and against her, yeah you don’t have great poise.
Kiri: oh great poise? When Monka and Ashtar was here, “umm
okay we will proceed, ummm….” No, I don’t call that great
poise, I call that being a little bit, a little bit
nervous and jumpy. Great poise is being able to walk
into a room wearing a backless, bra-less dress,
full-length and know that everybody is going to turn and
look at me and whether or not my headlights are on, I’ve
got to walk upright, proud and smile. You’ve seen me do
Russ: you’re the ring mistress for that session weren’t
Russ: I can’t remember what happened, how was your poise
Kiri: did I get flustered?
Kiri: no I did not but you remember the inauguration ball?
on Sirius at the inauguration of their father to the presidency
Russ: yeah, yeah I was there.
Kiri: how I walked down the stairs and everything and I
was wearing a very nice dress a little bit short
in front but very nice. No straps, no bra.
Russ: I don’t know, I was watching Karra.
Kiri: uh-huh but poise.
Russ: well yeah like I say…
Russ: I have to take your word for it.
Kiri: yes confidence, poise, keeping a cool head, being
a little bit conceited knowing that yes I am good. Those
are the key markings of a coercer, confidence. Confidence
is very important. Poise, not being able to get flustered
because you have to be focused if you’re coercing. If I
wanted, I could run for an office just on my poise, my
confidence and my lack of flustability alone. The
fact that it doesn’t appeal to me is something that is
irrelevant, I could do that. Okay, more questions?
Skip: well I was going to give you a case in fact that
here not too long ago…
Skip: about your sex example?
Russ: oh yeah right, right, right.
a gentleman that's father to my grandson’s
Skip: got coerced into doing sex with a married lady
that’s got kids of her own and after it happened she
Kiri: that’s not good.
but he got coerced into it.
Russ: how did he know though?
Russ: is it possible it wasn't the little head
Skip: no, he went over to get his money because he works
for her husband....
Skip: and she told him to
come in and when he walked in and she threw the covers
back and she was completely nude.
Russ: I still say that could be little head talking at
Skip: you haven’t seen this lady.
Russ: oh well, I......like I
say yeah, I don’t know.
Skip: but that happened and he went to jail for
Kiri: but that’s something that needs to be looked at on
your planet because it does happen too often.
Skip: yes it does.
Kiri: I mean I could come down to your planet and decide
that I needed a good drilling and enjoy myself
tremendously and then turn around and scream rape and kick
up a hell of a storm and the person who did it would go to
jail on my word alone.
Skip: yep because it’s your word against theirs.
Russ: well that’s the thing, you have to know when you’re
being coerced and if you are, I mean good shielding will
help you but at some point you’re going to have to be able
to exert control over that coercion and you have to
recognize that you’re being coerced.
Skip: well it’s all three points that came up, you want
to, you know better and stupidity.
who gives a damn, nobody will find out." Okay,
any more questions?
Skip: no uh-uh.
Kiri: any more comments? Okay……
(Treebeard makes an early appearance
because of his age.)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: well are you both?
Skip: just fine.
Treebeard: that is of good.
Russ: uh-huh and yourself?
Treebeard: I am a little bit you would say dormant but not
Russ: hmmm, okay we'll keep it short.
Treebeard: what would be the word?
Treebeard: ahh yes, eyelids being of heavy.
Treebeard: even though it being only of early up here. But
still, when my age then sleep is something you of earning.
Russ: can you try an experiment for me?
Russ: Karra and I are working on a little experiment just
this last few minutes here that I thought you're
the perfect person to ask about this.
Russ: we’re trying to practice on reflexology….
Russ: and finding a certain point in the hands that will
Treebeard: you want me to demonstrate?
Treebeard: hold hand out.
Treebeard: under.....okay…..let me…..
Treebeard: you may being of wishing to explain for tape what
Russ: oh right, Treebeard pushed into my hand somewhere just
to the right of the center, lower quadrant.
Treebeard: with hand face up.
Russ: with hand face up right, with fingernail or finger
Treebeard: finger point. You felt like little jab?
Treebeard: you are being active now?
Russ: uh-huh, ahh good.
Treebeard: there is another spot as well that is being here?
Russ: oh, to the other side of that?
Treebeard: yes, pushing down?
Russ: all right.
Treebeard: try it.
it now. Okay, I see it yeah.
Treebeard: uh-huh, there are several within hand.
Treebeard: main one being just off-center is quick
Treebeard: one on heel of hand is that correct?
Treebeard: is more longer, it is more stimulation.
Russ: excellent, you’ve picked up quite a bit of knowledge
in your many years.
Treebeard: it is something that I needed of doing when
dealing with plants.
Russ: really, why?
Treebeard: when planting lots of plants in limited of time….
Treebeard: you have to be aware all the time?
Treebeard: so have short window of time to work so go
without sleep to get things being of done.
Russ: I see.
Treebeard: so you learn little tricks to activate of body.
One that has reverse effect but at start does not feel so is
back of neck near towards the swelling of the.....I think
you would be of saying cerebellum?
Russ: okay, at the base there? Just before it goes from the
hollow up to the point where it starts to bulge out?
Treebeard: that is correct. If you apply gentle pressure
there but do not use full pressure, you will feel a slight
Russ: oh yeah.
Treebeard: that will if jabbed.......
Treebeard: make you feel at first energy and then
drained. It is like being of tub of liquid?
Treebeard: and pulling out cork and energy draining out.
Russ: I see.
Treebeard: other such places being behind ears. Having
noticed that head makes one sleepy whereas various parts of
arms and hands activate. On body many different
possibilities of draining or activating depending on where
and pressure. It is something that is using of what you
would call points of pressure?
Russ: yeah, pressure points.
Treebeard: and using right amount of pressure would
being of doing either on certain parts.
Russ: now why is our body like that? How is it just pushing
on this little part of the hand makes you more alert or back
of the neck or on the......what’s the energy connection
Treebeard: it is not so much energy but sensitivity to
feeling and energy little bit. Certain parts are associated
with certain actions. For example, you use hands most when
stimulated, is that not of correct? They are more active.
Treebeard: using head more when you are feeling of
as I am, word was tired?
Skip: tired yeah.
Treebeard: so put two and two, come up with answer. So you
using of head when you are ready for dormancy but hands
being used for activity. Body other parts being used either
so either can being of used. Yes?
Skip: that would be conducted by the central nervous system
Treebeard: that is being of correct. It works like
electronical network as you are thinking of.
Treebeard: wire maps of nervous systems apply pressure
here, energize and channel energy flow through main
conduction. Channel energy there and opposite effect of
shutting down occurs so it matter of body circuitry
like yes, computer.
Russ: hmm, so if you’re staying healthy and maintaining
youth, isn’t there parts of the body you could work on on a
daily basis to bring….oh feet.
Skip: on your feet.
Russ: yeah to bring up your health and so on?
Treebeard: if you of applying pressure to certain parts of
feet, you have interesting sensations. If you drag nail up
foot, does it not tickle?
Treebeard: and your toes curl in and it makes you what?
Treebeard: uh-huh, which laughter is being of associated
Treebeard: health and youth, you are healthy when you are
Russ: uh-huh, so daily tickling the feet sessions for you.
Treebeard: not necessarily.....
tickling more of massaging.
Russ: hmm, so every day work a little bit on the
feet to stimulate your health and maintain youth.
Treebeard: I think Skip has experience of that from youth
when wearing green? (Ed note: When Skip was in the
Russ: huh? Okay, you guys lost me there.
Treebeard: many miles walked, is it not nice to sit down and
massage one’s feet?
Skip: yes it is, 35 miles in one day is pretty far.
Treebeard: I am seeing that it would be. Over many different
kind of terrain certainly would be of bruising to feet. So
it would be of relaxing so learning at young age would be
best time to know what points to use later on.
Skip: okay Treebeard, can I make a statement here?
Treebeard: you are welcome of doing so.
Skip: thank you. I have learned just the last few
years of the pressure points in the feet that controls the
different organs and systems of the body. Now I’ve noticed
that they’re putting out roller…..how can I say this? They're
pads with ball bearings in them to stand on to roll your
feet on to hit all the pressure points on the bottom of your
Treebeard: those are useful and comfortable but you learn't
about pressure points and what parts are good for what parts
of the body or organs long time before reading about them
but did not know that that’s what they did.
Skip: uh-huh, you’re correct.
Treebeard: so you had knowing that it felt good and helped you
but did not know reasoning of why so you have both now.
Treebeard: but the foot chairs that you think of you see in
Skip: no in fact I’ve seen them in the actual store…
Skip: okay? They’re already been made and produced.
Skip: in fact I’ve seen them in Walmart.
Russ: seems to me that kind of sole for your shoe, an insert
that had little ball bearings or….
Skip: magnets, magnets.
Russ: hmm, I’ve seen the magnets.
Skip: yeah magnets are getting to be quite the thing down
Skip: and I don’t know if they're all that ingenious
Treebeard: I am not of medic, what I know of pressure
points I learned when working planting to keep going. But as
older as I am getting, it seems more pressure necessary or
maybe lacking strength in hands to pressure so.
Skip: it happens.
Russ: hmm, thank you.
Treebeard: okay, any more of questions?
Treebeard: thank you, I am going off to indulge in walk
back so I may be of dormant.
Russ: excellent, have a good walk.
(Kiri watches the
retreating form of Treebeard.)
Kiri: huh? Okay, that was informative.
Get: yes, very.
Kiri: uh-huh apart from he’s looking tired, in fact he’s
wandering off and Lipitus is up on his hind legs boxing. I
think Lipitus will follow him shortly. (His pet rabbit.)
Russ: who is he boxing with, Pegasus? (A cat on the base.)
Kiri: it amazes me that when he’s with Treebeard he has no
problems but if Treebeard falls asleep and other cats show
up then Lipitus is in trouble. But they don’t bother him
down in his area, hmmm. Okay, what do we got next? Got any
more questions for me?
Russ: not right now.
Kiri: pout, pout, pout, pout, pout….pout, pout……pout, pout,
pout. Okay, we're almost ready to turn over the tape
(Omal arrives to add to our knowledge of
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and when Skip gets back, it will also be greetings. It
seems to be an informative session tonight do you not think
Russ: I totally agree, we're definitely covering a lot of
areas I’m not even sure we were planning on covering but
definitely getting the job done.
Omal: I think Kiri deliberately has been setting up for this
waveform for quite a while.
Russ: well with that waveform on that same note, it’s like I
never really got answered on the part of how do we see
waveforms more though.
Omal: she did answer it.
Russ: yeah, I’m just not sure how we could put that
into practical application down here.
Omal: I don’t think Kiri actually knows how you would do it
Russ: oh, that’s probably why then.
Omal: yeah, it’s something she speculated on on the
possibilities on the ways to do it but she used
Sirian ways that she knows which is understandable. After
all, doesn’t everybody use what they know?
Omal: yeah try to convert it to things that they are trying
to explain to make it easier for somebody and unfortunately
as you well know, it can unfortunately blur the issue even
Russ: right, now you see waveforms right?
Russ: okay, when you manifest, you see the waveform of the
waveforms, greetings Skip.
Skip: oh, thank you. Greetings to you sir.
Russ: for example, when you manifest, you see the particles
of matter coming together in to a solid form……
Omal: and coalescing in that form? Yes.
Russ: right. So when they do that, do they take a certain
way of doing that or is it different for every thing?
Omal: it’s different for each item. For example, the
proverbial…..(Holds out his
hand as if holding a penny, the
used for his manifestation lessons.)
Russ: of course.
Omal: okay, I see the waveform of the penny.
Russ: all right.
Omal: I see the shape, I see how it feels, I can see all the
edges, I can see it creating, I can see it in my hand. Heads
Omal: tails but it is a matter of seeing the
waveform. Now the waveform that Kiri was talking about is
Omal: it is a totally different waveform. The penny is an
Omal: a living object has a waveform that is radically
different, appears random if you look at it for a moment but
if you watch it for longer you will actually see that
there are patterns in it that are repetitive. The penny’s
waveforms are steady, repetitive from the get-go to the
finish. A thought waveform is different, it will be for
example if we use a zigzag, it would be…..see
how it repeats whereas a penny would be very much very
similar all the way down through?
Russ: yes but you’re taking matter which is in a form that’s
totally random and every which way and you're
turning it into a very steady waveform.
Russ: now isn’t that maybe a clue toward the manifestation
of a penny?
Russ: you’re not controlling the flow of the wave......?
SIDE ONE ENDS
his responsibilities, Omal starts side two but then has to
Omal: …….is I am seeing the penny,
the waveform comes once the penny is formed into that
Omal: it doesn’t come first, it comes when it achieves.
Russ: there’s a key there somewhere.
Skip: in other words, it’s an inanimate object that has the
same waveform no matter how many different ones you see.
Omal: correct, as long as they are identical.
Omal: okay now I only have a limited time
Omal: as things are starting to happen with interest. So
what we will do is go over Kiri’s comments about waveforms,
coercion and her projects which she neatly sidestepped
however, I know it was only a joke but I must point out that
that cannot happen concerning the computers.
Skip: this was a joke.
Omal: I know….
Skip: this was totally a joke.
Omal: I know. Okay Kiri’s comments on coercion are
very useful. She again has worded herself
well but has been cautious, not give too much away. She has
given both positive and negative uses. This is something
that we gamble on but by giving you both the positive and
the negative, you can decide which is which even though Kiri
the explanation's quite clear which is which, it
gives you an idea of what to watch for in the negative
do we have any questions?
Russ: on the gamble that we're taking?
Russ: not a real big risk though is it?
Russ: because she’s not really pointing out anything that
would be detrimental to a person’s health.
Omal: okay, I do not see any problems with Treebeard’s
comments apart from the fact that he was getting tired. Any
Skip: no, I have none.
we do have the report on our conference.
Runs: I don’t know if Karra gave it to you yet.
Omal: I have already read it.
Russ: oh, I’m just going to say, I just got it two hours
ago so she's
Omal: oh she is.
Omal: okay, thank you very much.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Skip: thank you Omal.
Omal: live long, prosper and I’ll be back.
(Kiri ushers in
Kiri: bite me.
Skip: not yet.
Kiri: well you wouldn’t want to bite the host but if I was
Skip: I can’t get there.
Kiri: no but if I came down there….
Russ: I’d probably get bit first.
Kiri: uh-huh, you have to move pretty fast to catch me.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: uh-huh, talking of horror stories.
(Karra takes her turn but a bit
more relaxed than usual.)
Russ: you guys just have this little sibling thing going.
Karra: horror stories am I?
Karra: uh-huh, hello.
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: how’s it going?
Skip: how you doing darling?
Karra: I’m doing good.
Karra: I’m doing good, I’m relaxed.
Skip: that’s good.
Karra: yes, the doctor said that I needed to be relaxed.
Russ: good, anything I can do to help? Well I guess I’m
already helping by maintaining a good….
Russ: level of steady flow of energy lately.
Karra: yes, yes there is the other way of helping but no I’m
very relaxed right now.
Karra: in fact if I get any more relaxed they could put me
in a bucket of water.
Russ: all right.
Karra: uh-huh, I was given something to munch on. (A blue
Russ: oh, that’s pretty relaxing.
Russ: well my blue flowered, little relaxed person there…..
Russ: reflexology, maintaining our relaxed state of mind
that we’re working on.
Karra: oh yes, yes reflexology. Okay, what did
Russ: Treebeard covered the points on the hand for quick
Russ: and more prolonged stimulation, a point on the back of
the neck for….
Karra: uh-huh, just above the spine.
Russ: correct. Let’s see, Skip and
Treebeard worked on points of the feet for maintaining youth
Skip: and the……
Russ: oh back of the ears.
Karra: okay now there are some more, there are ones that
I’ve used to immobilize parts of the body.
Russ: oh excellent.
Karra: uh-huh for medical reasons.
Karra: there are some pressure points on the sides of the
applying pressure…..just let me work out…..almost down to
the bottom of the rib cage in fact right on the bottom of
the rib cage. If you run your finger down the side about
midway down in the middle, go down to the bottom of the rib
cage and apply a little bit of pressure there and you will
feel a little bit of tingling in the backs of
Russ: I must be doing it wrong.
Karra: okay let me roll the host body, should be there.
Russ: it’s on the very bottom rib?
Karra: uh-huh but quite, there’s one more below it.
Russ: oh okay, I see, second from the bottom.
Russ: okay I got that one.
Karra: if you were to draw a centerline down through, it’s
you go. Now if you rotate over a little bit more
towards the back in the same rib, apply a little bit more
pressure okay, you feel that in the back in your back? A
Russ: oh there it is, I got that one of the back, I can't
get the one on the legs though.
Karra: probably not applying enough pressure.
Russ: oh all right.
Karra: okay now, these again are pressure points.
Karra: okay they have various different uses, the one for
the legs will paralyze the legs if you apply enough
pressure. There is a very quick way of doing it which looks
brutal and discomfiting and you put your hands like this and
beat on either side at the pressure points. What
you do is you cut off the supply of blood to the
legs as well as the energy to legs and the legs will fold
and they are
numb. It’s kind of a localized anesthetic for the
legs. That will take out both of them if you do it on either
side. If you do on one side, one leg will be inactive
and it’s the leg on that side. Now once the leg is
immobilized and is numb, you can do whatever is necessary
but you have a very limited length of time to do it.
Russ: so for a traumatic bone break you can immobilize
it, set it, splint it….
Russ: have it back up by the time the blood hits back again?
Karra: you’ve got about a minute to a minute and a half.
Russ: no, that ain’t going to do it.
Skip: in other words, you’d have to move pretty swiftly.
Karra: uh-huh, you have to get in there with your hands and
push the bone back together, splint it, wrap it and I can do
it just in a minute and a half.
Skip: that’s tough to do.
Skip: that’s tough to do.
Karra: and that’s actually getting into the bone with your
hands. Now they will feel pain but nowhere near as much as
they would feel.
Russ: go ahead
and discuss these other things.
Skip: okay young lady......
Skip: let me ask you a question now on this.
Skip: now what you described….
Skip: is more or less a local anesthetic.
Skip: is this…..you’ve observed our people, our 3-D people
in all states I’m sure. Is this one of the moves or actions
that a martial arts person uses on another person?
Karra: probably yes, probably.
Skip: that’s what I was thinking.
Karra: uh-huh but they have medicinal uses that are much
more useful than than the harmful. It’s normally
something that you would use after using the martial arts
for the obvious reasons.
Karra: martial arts fight you're pretty dinged up, you need
localized anesthetic, what are you going to do?
Skip: in other words this would be included in the
training of martial arts.
Karra: uh-huh, just as the pressure points if you've noticed
that both Treebeard and myself have always stated, gently.
Karra: now if you go to the other spectrum, let us go back
to the legs and the blow to the side on the ribs….
Karra: that will paralyze the legs. The harder the more
longer and protracted the paralyzing is. A real hard blow
and you’ve lost the use of the legs.
Skip: okay but now let me ask you one other question,
couldn’t by exerting enough force break the ribs?
Skip: okay because it only takes approximately 14 pounds of
pressure to break any bone in the human body.
Karra: uh-huh, what stops it from breaking is the
Skip: yes, yeah I understand that.
Karra: yeah but if you were to hold either side, 14
pounds that’s what it takes.
Karra: okay, you’re very correct, yes they are probably used
in martial arts as well but much harsher and much different
kind of focus.
Skip: uh-huh, you mean a swifter more vicious blow?
Karra: with the intent to do harm.
Karra: now, the interesting thing is the pressure points,
what are they? Okay let us look at the hand, the one that
Treebeard did on Russ first of all. If you look at your hand
right? Where he stabbed Russ…..
Karra: was there a vein there?
Russ: yeah, there’s a vein, a blue vein.
Karra: okay? When he stabbed the palm of
Karra: uh-huh, what’s he doing or did he do?
the blood flow?
Karra: now I mentioned when you hit on the side that you
stopped the flow….
Karra: I didn’t say what the flow was.
Skip: nerve flow.
Karra: nerve flow and blood flow. What you’re actually doing
is depriving the area of oxygen, just for a
Russ: hmm...I see.
Karra: uh-huh. So what you’re doing is stopping the blood
flow and the nerve flow to that area and when you do that in
a healing capacity, you have a very limited period of time.
Now if you do it in the aggressive posture, the window is
much bigger and the opportunity is there to do what you
would say more harm but it isn’t as effective for healing
because the energy flow that you need to return quickly to
aid in the healing process doesn’t happen so therefore even
though you could sit and take maybe 2 ½ to 3 minutes, that
area is not healing for that length of time. When you set
a bone and
put a splint and wrap an injured area with a minute and a
half window, that’s all you have. Any more than that and
you’re going to start doing damage.
Skip: okay, okay.
Russ: all right.
Skip: that makes sense.
Karra: because you're robbing the area of the oxygen.
Russ: now what about the massaging of the feet, what you
doing? I mean he mentioned a lot about being able to
generate laughter or at least good feelings.....
but are you affecting the blood flow there or just nerve
Karra: you’re stimulating the blood flow by increasing the
Russ: oh. Which helps……
Karra: which helps….
Russ: oxygenate the body.
Karra: that’s correct.
Karra: and by making you laugh. When you laugh, what do
Skip: you increase your oxygen intake.
Karra: that’s right, you inhale more air.
Karra: questions please.
Russ: anyway, oh on the dealing with the conference.
Russ: now that we have something a little more workable as
far as their discussions on it, let’s go ahead I guess and
we should start working on getting the other channelers
lined up now and get ahold of René? (Creator and webmaster for the now
defunct Spirit Web.)
Karra: okay, we will get the e-mails out and hopefully I’ll
be much clearer headed by the morning.
Russ: no problem now he mention the Alpha Draconis,
is that the Reptoids then?
Karra: my mind’s a little muddled.
Russ: oh, well how about the Orions?
Karra: no, I don’t think they are.
Russ: we do know the Orions would be workable?
Karra: uh-huh, the more the better.
Russ: I don’t know who the Orions are yet but hmm, okay.
Russ: we’ll what the sayings are and we’ll get a better
Karra: okay, okay.
Russ: all right that’s it for me Karra.
Karra: okay Skip?
Skip: no, I’m mulling over what we’ve discussed.
Russ: have fun love.
Lyka her turn to channel.)
Kiri: yeah, I thought it was a good idea.
Kiri: uh-huh, she needed it, she takes life way too
Kiri: way too seriously, cool huh?
Russ: so tough to maintain that poise I guess.
Kiri: uh-huh, flowers help.
Kiri: okay, next speaker.
(A very pregnant
Lyka sits down joins the session.)
Russ: hi, is this Lyka?
Russ: hi Lyka.
Skip: how you doing sweetie?
like I've swallowed a melon.
Russ: what’d you do? Oh that’s right.
Lyka: what did I do?
Russ: more like who did you do?
Skip: poor baby.
Lyka: it was worth it.
Russ: of course.
Lyka: just wish we had more time to practice.
Russ: practice what, making babies?
Lyka: do dry runs first….
Russ: oh yeah.
Lyka: just practice, it’s a lot more fun.
Skip: oh yeah, the practice part's a heck of a lot more fun
than what you’re going through.
Lyka: uh-huh yeah okay, I’m here to chat, answer questions.
Russ: excellent, excellent, we have all kinds of stuff going
on right now.
Lyka: uh-huh, so I hear.
Russ: let’s see, I’m working on food stocks.
Lyka: uh-huh oh yes, for sieges.
Skip: I got plans to build a survival shelter in my
Russ: that would be unique. Above ground or….
Skip: below ground, 12 x 12.
Lyka: 12 feet x 12 feet by…okay.
Russ: 12 x 12 x 8?
Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah but it’ll be 12 foot deep
because it’ll be probably three to four
foot roof over the top of it.
Lyka: so that would be 2 ½ units by 2 ½ units by how tall?
Skip: 8 foot on the inside or 7 foot on the inside.
Lyka: okay so that would be….
out two units.
Lyka: yeah about two units, just under. See I'm
working on my maths.
Russ: doing quite well actually.
Lyka: that’s 1.85….
Russ: okay, the working on food sources….
Russ: how long do canned foods last?
Skip: they'll last until the cans rust.
Skip: now if they’re aluminum
cans, they’re almost an indefinite storage period to them.
Lyka: but there are things that you need to be aware of.
Temperature will affect them, increase in heat will make the
item inside swell and possibly damage the can unoticeably
but still damaged and once a can is damaged, you might as
well open it up to the air anyway.
Skip: yeah because you’ll get botulism in them once their
Skip: but if you store them in what like I was talking
about, a root cellar is what everybody calls them, the
temperature stays consistent and your moisture does not
attack the foods.
Lyka: yes, you’ll have to excuse me, I was told the other
day that root is a colloquialism on your planet for having
Skip: yeah you’re correct, you're correct.
Lyka: so you have a cellar for having sex? Very good idea.
Skip: no. Okay…
Lyka: I’m teasing.
Skip: the terminology of root cellar comes from I would say
probably a couple hundred years ago. The farmers or
agricultural people all had a basement or an underground
unit that they called a root cellar because that’s where
they put all their food because it stayed at an even
temperature and no moisture or anything else okay?
Lyka: yes my love (Leah) is
whispering in my ear something very similar for fish...
Lyka: that they used to have where she grew up.
Skip: now they also used smoke houses which are small
buildings with the siding open probably a quarter of an inch
between the slats where they smoked meat and salted
it down so it would keep. I was raised that way.......
Lyka: oh really?
Skip: so I’m well aware of how to store foods, how to keep
meat and so on and so forth for the long period. Now meat
Skip: but if it’s smoked and salted, you can cut the mold
off and still eat the meat.
Lyka: yes we have a delicacy we have in the field and it is
ocean beef. Most Sirians only eat fish and vegetables but Oath Keepers
are allowed to eat meat.....
ocean beef is beef that has been stored in ocean
Skip: oh saltwater, yeah okay brine is what we call it okay?
Lyka: and it will keep indefinitely. I call it a delicacy
but it’s very revolting.
Skip: yes it is.
Russ: really unpalatable.
no it’s okay but it’s tough to get by because you’ve got a
mix it with other things to get it to…
Lyka: oh yes.
you store meat in saltwater, brine, pickled pigs feet
is brine okay? I’m trying to give instances of what we have
in our world okay?
Skip: but pickled pigs feet is stored in brine.
Russ: I’m glad I follow a Sirian doctrine of eating
fish and vegetables.
Skip: well you can only keep fish for so long.
Russ: that’s true, well you can jerky it.
you can salt it down too.
Lyka: yeah but…
Skip: but still you’re running into unpalatable thing here
because you've got to mix it with stuff to be able to eat
Lyka: yes I have eaten it on its own, ocean beef a few times
Skip: yeah, pickled herring, salted herring okay? Man that’s
tough to handle.
Lyka: yes but….
Skip: it can be done.
Lyka: if you need to it’s passable.
Russ: now you can pickle vegetables right?
Skip: oh yes, oh yes.
will they stay indefinitely like same thing with beef like
you’re talking about?
you're taking a chance.
Skip: okay the only way…..okay can I say something
Skip: the only way to keep them indefinitely if they’re
sealed like canned fruit or canned vegetables in the jars
okay? Once you can vegetables or fruit and you pressure cook
it and that takes all the air out of it okay? And you put
the lid on, as long as the seal is not broken on the lid they’ll
keep indefinitely yes.
Lyka: yeah and I think she’s getting cramped.
(The daughter she was to have.)
Russ: isn’t she used to…..? Well you’re kind of small anyway
aren’t you? Well maybe not now but I mean…..
Skip: in stature honey not…….
Lyka: I am taller than Karra, taller than Kiri, I’m just
skinny or I was.
Skip: you’re thin, that’s not called skinny.
I’m retaining water as well at the moment.
Skip: and another being.
Lyka: uh-huh, anyway I'm a little uncomfortable I’m going
Russ: well I have nothing else left.
Skip: no, neither do I.
for stopping in though.
Skip: nice to see you again.
Lyka: you may see one more time, maybe not, we’ll see how it
transition of the night.)
Russ: you look much more comfortable.
Russ: you look much more comfortable.
Kiri: I do?
Russ: well then Lyka.
Skip: poor baby.
she’s being taken care of very well at the moment.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Kiri: uh-huh and she’s got an exam in I think it’s less than
a week now.
it’s her ballistics exam.
Russ: oh not that again.
Kiri: uh-huh, she’s got to pass it.
Russ: okay so we have 10 minutes left….
Russ: any more speakers?
Russ: oh good.
(Tia gets us up to date to close things out.)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Skip: how you doing love?
Tia: I’m doing good.
Tia: I know
what I need.
Russ: we had a.......market took a crunch
Russ: market took a crunch today.
Tia: what happened to it?
Russ: stock market?
Tia: oh, market, you have to enunciate.
Russ: oh sorry, yeah stock market just…..
Russ: my imaginary stocks that I’ve got, a hundred thousand
dollars worth, I lost probably a $1,000 maybe?
Tia: uh-huh, it wasn’t too bad actually, I don’t think it
was too bad at all. Okay, let us look at some goings-on in
the markets……not the market, the world and I’ve got to be
quick as we only have a limited length of time.
a little under
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, let us look at Russia. Russia,
what can I say about Russia? What can’t I say about Russia?
I could say a lot of things about Russia, none of them
positive. Boris Yeltsin, our resident alcoholic president
and his changing in mind and the upcoming elections. Okay,
this is what I see happening, trouble, big trouble. The
economy appears to be stable, I say appears to be. For
the casual observer it is stable but, if you look at
the markets and I’m not talking about the financial markets,
I’m talking about general markets, the prices of food, the
prices of commodity, the prices of heating oil, oh dear. To
don’t buy what it used to buy and there isn’t enough
of it". The markets in Russia are in turmoil, the prices are
staggering, the lack of action by the government is
aggravating to the situation. Not because pumping money into
the economy would work, what would that do? That would
increase inflation. Print more money for money that you
do that, you’re asking for inflationary problems and
the ruble definitely won’t buy what it used to buy, in
fact it will buy a lot less of what it used to buy. Devaluing
the ruble did not fix the problems. You
remember we talked about the devaluation of the ruble and I
said it was a temporary fix that wouldn’t last very long?
very long. I mentioned the winter, I hate to think of how
many people died in Russia this last winter and it was a
mild winter, mild for Russia. If it had been a harsh winter
oh dear, if it is a harsh winter this year, oh dear. The
last time that there was a major harsh winter followed or pre-cursed
by financial unrest, financial difficulties, food problems,
food production problems, guess what happened?
Tia: I'll give you a clue. It happened in
November and it happened just over 80 years ago.
Skip: eight years ago.
Russ: is that when the Soviets took over?
Tia: Russ is right, it was the communists, 1917
November. Harsh, harsh winter.
Skip: oh 80 years ago.
Tia: yeah 80.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Tia: 82 to be precise. Very harsh winter in the middle of a
Skip: right at the end of the war wasn't it darling?
Tia: another year to go, another year to go in the first
Skip: oh no, that’s 1812 to 1814 wasn’t it?
Russ: 1815 or 1817 to 1819?
Tia: you’re both wrong, Russ is closer but he’s off by a
Tia: 1914 to 1918.
Skip: oh yeah, first World War okay.
Tia: okay, okay.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Tia: that’s all right.
Skip: 100 years too early.
Tia: uh-huh, 100 years too early but that started the
crisis followed by massive corruption followed by…..
Tia: well actually food problems, the ruble wasn’t buying
ruble used to buy, people starving, civil unrest
and what does that sound like?
Skip: isn’t that the beginning of communism per se?
Tia: uh-huh, that’s when it started but what does
that whole entire scenario sound like?
Russ: sounds like now well sounds like with Yeltsin firing
his prime minister and the cabinet and trying and get this
new guy in there….
Skip: sounds like this country.
Russ: I don’t think the Duma is going to agree to this new
guy. (Vladimir Putin.)
Tia: well they agreed to the last one three months ago in
Russ: they had to.
Skip: they didn't have any choice other than a
Tia: yes there is a choice and it is kind of a revolution
but it’s not really a revolution, it’s what you would call a
bloodless palace coup.
Skip: yeah, okay.
Tia: and that’s basically you get as many people on your
side as possible, turn around to the president say, “you got
two choices, either you leave or we impeach you”.
of confidence in the Senate. Well Nixon went through
the same thing and had to resign.
Tia: uh-huh. Clinton went through the same thing but somehow
Russ: he had enough support on one side to get through it.
Tia: uh-huh we won’t go there because I could go on about
that for a long time.
Tia: okay now Russia, remember what was said about the Asian
Russ: yeah, it started in China or Japan but it
spread to Russia......
Russ: and everyone else in that whole entire section.
Tia: okay and it’s also spread to South America but it’s not
as bad I believe it was stated that it appears to be
petering out. But, Russia is in a very precarious position.
If they have a bloodless palace coup and they succeed and
Yeltsin is ousted out, then the situation will temporarily
be relieved. They will give the new government an
opportunity to prove itself however, with the corruption
that already exists, this is just a rest period just a
respite. It all pivots on one thing, weather.
Russ: doesn’t Russia have huge natural resources in its
eastern sections it could sell and make up the lost revenue
from the reforms?
Tia: you mean the oilfields?
Russ: the oilfields, the natural gas, all those reserves
they have in the eastern section near Siberia.
Tia: doesn’t belong to them anymore.
Russ: oh crap that’s right, broke up their country.
Tia: uh-huh, that’s another thing that is irking the
Russ: that’s right, I remember now.
Skip: yeah they totally broke up their country.
Tia: uh-huh, they’re all independent nations.
Russ: and they’re going to blame the current president for
any kind of problems that happen because of that.
Tia: because he didn't actually do it did he?
Russ: no, Gorbachev did.
Russ: but Yeltsin was Gorbachev’s hand-picked successor.
got caught in the current.
Tia: uh-huh, oops.
Russ: yeah, and Grenady (Gennady
Yanayev) or whatever the communist leader in the Duma isn't
very popular as far as becoming president but
given enough circumstances he could bring back the communist
Skip: yes he could, real quick.
Tia: uh-huh, very quickly and all the other countries around
them, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, all those countries aren't
very strong military wise.
Russ: nope, a strong military leader could take over those
Skip: they could go right back to being USSR.
Tia: uh-huh, so easily and it would be a very popular move
with the people.
Russ: oh yes.
it would be.
Tia: because the majority have known nothing but communist
Russ: right, the people would volunteer for the army
at that point.
Skip: heck yeah.
Russ: just to go in and take over another country and
take the spoils.
Tia: so you see the dangers of a palace coup?
Russ: teetering on the edge.
they may be forced to do.
Russ: that’s why the World Bank gave them a new loan…..
Russ: just this last month.
Tia: uh-huh, do you want to know something?
Tia: it’s happening, it started.
Skip: I can believe it, I can believe it.
Tia: there is fighting going on right now, right in the
southern part of Russia with the province right next door to
Chechnya, they’re attacking even as we talk. There is a
pitched battle going on right now. (The
War of Dagestan.)
Skip: in other words, they could become the
second major power in the world again.
Tia: again, uh-huh but they’ll never be as strong as they
Tia: but there is a battle going on…
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