Surfing The Waveforms- (08/10/99)


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Archivist Notes: Originally called "Manifestation Made Right", listening to Kiri and Treebeard talk about how they can see the same waveforms Omal does, it made sense to like all the conversations under a single topic. They speak of seeing waveforms from their perspective on a higher dimension, a perspective have access to only with a dedication to seeing auras, not an impossible goal and certainly a worthy one to pursue. Until then, we have to use other senses to detect the waveforms around us with many able to do so subconsciously. This channeling session certainly made it feel anything is possible.

Kiri's assessment of how the Hades Base news website has evolved is how she gets this session started but soon goes on to what she she was there to talk about, coercion and the mental processes taking place during the influencing of someone's mind. She had previously explained all the other aspects of how coercion works but she broke new ground by giving us an insider's look at the intricacies involved from a master coercer able to see the wave patterns of the subject being coerced. Before wrapping up she goes over some the key markings of a coercer, the main one of course, confidence. Treebeard follows after and those not familiar with Treebeard have to understand his primary language is Sirian and not English so his phrasing will be in more of a broken English. What comes across though is a very informative lesson of reflexology and why manipulating certain parts of the body create corresponding physical reactions in the body. The Base commander expands on Kiri's topic of waveforms using his go-to skill on how they are the end product of the physical manifestations he makes appear out of thin air. Omal then finishes up side one by clarifying that the waveforms for living beings is completely different than that of an inanimate object.

After finishing up due to prior commitments, Omal makes way for Karra who was advised to relax by her doctor and so we can see the effects munching on one of the blue flowers can have on a person. She is professional enough though to draw upon her skill at nursing to help expand on how reflexology can be used as a stand in for a local anesthetic in extreme cases when that is all you have available. The opposite use of the pressure points on the body is brought up with how they can be manipulated through martial arts to harm if not done gently as is done with healing. She explain how reflexology works by affecting both the nerve and blood flows before wrapping up with a quick status on the conference and some of the races to be invited to participate. It's Lyka's turn next and we get some first hand knowledge of some of the survival tips used by the Sirian Defense Force. The storage of food for hard times is the topic and she tells us about ocean beef or beef that has been stored in brine. We go over other items of food suitable for preservation before she hands off to Tia who gets us up to date with the goings on in Russia. From her we can guess where Omal was going as this was the day Vladamir Putin was installed as the acting prime minister by Boris Yeltsin, a very crucial event to be reviewed for its future implications we can see the results of today. She gives us her take on things and how Russia was poised between a couple of different paths it could go down. As usual, the unique perspective of her duties of data analysis gave her the ability to observe things objectively. She end the session dramatically as she is getting reports of pitched battles taking place during the War of Dagestan.
 

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KIRI Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS
TREEBEARD SKIP
KARRA

LYKA
TIA



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SIDE 1

3.)(36:59)- Omal uses his mastery in manifestation to expand on Kiri's topic of waveforms and how the waveforms of a person and a penny are radically different.

SIDE 2

2.)(15:36)- A very pregnant Lyka gives us good tips on food storage and relates a survival food source she's had to eat as part of the Sirian Defense Force, meat stored in brine they call ocean beef.

3.)(24:44)- Tia comes on to channel after a busy day monitoring events in Russia such as the installation of Vladimir Putin as Prime Minister this day as well as a breakout in fighting during the war of Dagestan.



 


 

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SIDE ONE

(Kiri takes the reigns and gets the channeling session started.)

Kiri: we are gathered here to mourn the loss of the body......

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: or should I say dearly departed?

Russ: how about the bodyís not goneÖ

Kiri: okay.

Russ: the inhabitant has taken a vacation for a few hours here?

Kiri: uh-huh, sixteen give or take a few minutes. (Due to Mark's ability to time jump during his astral travels to the base.)

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, where are we? Okay weíre up here and youíre down there. Hmm, now why does that seem so familiar?

Russ: canít we change that around, you come down here and weíll go up there, just for once? How about next week?

Kiri: yeah, no problem.

Skip: then we can use your computer babe.

(Everybody laughs.)

Kiri: I know whatís wrong with it, I know whatís wrong with it.

Russ: why donít you tell him?

Kiri: because thereís nothing he can do about it. (Mark's computer.)

Russ: oh.

Kiri: the modem is dying.

Russ: weíll have a memorial service and bury it in the yard.

Kiri: uh-huh. My idea is junk the modem, well junk the whole entire computer and get a real computer.

Russ: right but in the meantime?

Kiri: but you guys donít have access to real computers. Now that weíve got that out of the way, the webpage, I like that. What did I say last week though Russ? What was one of the things that I said?

Russ: well you basically said that all the parameters you needed.

Kiri: uh-huh but what did I say? What was the one big thing that I said that I wanted?

Russ: that you be impressed?

Kiri: uh-huh, impress me.

Russ: ahh, thatís right.

Kiri: impress me with your creativity and believe you me, it takes a lot to impress me, Iíve seen a lot in my 60 odd years.

Russ: yeah but youíre just a teenager in the grand scheme of things.

Kiri: in my counting yes but in yours no, eh-eh.

Russ: well I know but I mean good God, think of where you going to be at in another 200 years?

Kiri: hey Iíll still be a nymphomaniac. Okay now letís get down to seriousness for the moment.

Russ: alright.

Kiri: okay, letís sidestep issues of horniness, letís sidestep issues of projects, lets sidestep webpages and go straight to something that should be entertaining for all of us. Okay, that is coercionÖ..

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: and your coercion exercises.

Russ: what coercion exercises? Oh yeah right.

Kiri: what.........Skip is it my imagination or does he have the attention span of a gnat?

Russ: I scored twice in two days on that so Iím doing good.

Kiri: uh-huhÖÖÖÖÖ..am I impressed?

Russ: I was impressed myself.

Kiri: okay, you want to see coercion? You want coercion huh? Okay, letís have a closer look at coercion and the purposes. What weíve covered so far in all our years of inane rambling?

Russ: well, basically the differences between positive and negative coercion are the biggest things weíve covered and gone over and over and over.

Kiri: uh-huh and also the morals.

Russ: yeah the morals of course.

Kiri: and the reasoning why you should and should not use coercion in certain situations.

Russ: right.

Kiri: weíve also covered how to coerce.

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: weíve also covered why to coerce.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: okay now then, letís look at something we havenít covered, the actual mental process. Iím not talking about the how-to, Iím talking about what actually happens in the mind, the mind of the person that you're coercing. How do you make the brainwave patterns alter? Okay we can talk about energy fields and things that you wouldnít understand or maybe you would. Do either of you guys know what the energy waves are that are produced by the subjectís mind?

Russ: well weíve gone over it before with various speakers.

Kiri: uh-huh, but not in coercion, thatís one thing we havenít covered.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: okay the way that the mindÖÖ..the wave patterns of their mind, the subjectís mind works is that in actual fact you can tell when somebodyís been coerced if you can see their mind waves or brainwave patterns. As long as you can see patterns and know that theyíre not natural patterns, you can tell that the person's been coerced.

Russ: yeah but the person Iíve seen be able to do that that is Treebeard and our little Bunny.

Kiri: uh-huh, the little horn dog or horn rabbit. Okay now, when they talk about brainwaves and the way that the patterns and waveforms occur right? Now for example letís say you Skip are coercing Russ and you are being very clever about it and using my kind of coercion, total mental coercion without using speech. Now the fact that I could look at Russ and go, "okay brain waveforms yes, wait a second, those arenít Russí waveforms, those look very close to what Skipís look like." You see what Iím saying?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: that somebody thatís been coerced, you can see that theyíve being coerced by the change in their wave patterns of their mind. Now it doesnít have to be in close proximity, letís say youíre as talented as I am, yes I am being conceited with my coercive ability. Letís say I am outside and down the street but Iím focusing my mind on Russí mind, our victim. Okay so, Russí wave patterns gradually change to something similar to mine, not totally like mine because to do that I would be simply turning Russ into an automate and he would have totally no free will to do anything. Iíd have to regulate everything including his breathing, his heart rate, muscle movements, digestive tracts, everything. So to totally take over control means basically I take possession of the body which means that Iím totally focused in on Russí and not my own body and taking care of my own needs. So, most people donít do that. I say most, there are a few people that do it for various reasons, some of them positive, some of them negative. But, the fact remains that the brainwave patterns change to look very similar to mine but not totally like mine, because everybody has different brainwave patterns just as they have individual ribs and retinals and so on. No two people are totally identical, not even twins are identical in their brainwave patterns and their retinal scans and their fingerprints and their DNA, there is always a little bit of a difference. So, thatís how you tell how somebodyís been coerced, whether theyíd been coerced or not. If you can recognize the brainwave patterns that are similar to the person coercing the victim, then you are able to track down and narrow down who is coercing. Now let us say that I am coercing something that is on a
lower intelligence level like the feline. Okay the felineís brainwave patterns are so radically different from mine that I do the dominating effect. The dominating effect is where I use sheer will power and energy for the cat to obey. Now youíve all seen me do that. That is sheer stubbornness and power, raw coercive power. Thereís nothing subtle about it, there is nothing skillful about it, it is just sheer dominating, coercive power. Okay, got any questions?

Russ: how do we see brainwave patterns?

Kiri: it takes a lot of skill, it takes a lot of time. To give you the very, very simplified version is that you get to know the person, the way that they behaveÖÖÖÖ..this is a three-dimensional wayÖÖÖ..how they react to certain situations and how they would react to other situations. Now knowing the person you know how they react so you can watch their body language for anything that is different and unusual. Now to actually see the brainwaves takes a lot of skill and practice and something that I donít think you can do on the third dimension but how it is done up here is basically looking directly at the head and seeing the auric image. Now once you can focus in on the auric image, you can actually focus in much finer and see the differences and the patterns within the different layers of the aura. Now the patterns within the top part of the aura or the head are basically like little waveforms that you would see on an oscilloscope. They go like this and itís a very thin and fine and itís the differences in colors of the aura, there is a little line in between each one which corresponds to the brainwave activity. Now the average person if you focus in on the head, on the aura of the head, will have about sixty to a hundred different shades of one color and within each shade if you focus in tightly on it, youíll see a little line dividing each shade. Those little lines are the brainwave activities and as it radiates out, all the way around, you will see the various waves and activities and they are fairly constant depending on the situation and emotional status. For example, letís say picking on our favorite subject tonightÖ..Russ, letís say Russ is in a happy, giddy, youthful type mood. Now by looking at his brainwave patterns, I would be able to deduce that heís in a happy, giggly, boisterous, boyish type behavior because it would be very rapid lines. Now if Russ was totally the opposite, sad, depressed, fed up, bored, tired, you would see a much flatter waveform. It would still be bumpy but it would be much flatter, much more suppressed with his suppressed state of mind which brings me to my next little bit of coercive tidbit. It is easier to coerce somebody when theyíre in a lowered state of emotions, action, activity, mood. Now when is that most common?

Russ: before sleep?

Kiri: before and during sleep. Sleep is when an individual is the most vulnerable because everything is switched off, everything is running on bare minimum. So what do we know? Okay what have we covered?

Skip: brainwaves and coercion.

Kiri: uh-huh and how to recognize when somebody's been coerced and when somebody's at their most vulnerable.

Skip: okay, question darling please.

Kiri: uh-huh?

Skip: now my coercion is verbal.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: by using reverse psychology?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I coerce people into doing things.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I have a question for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how do you tell when youíre being coerced?

Kiri: well if somebody is good, you canít.

Russ: right well weíre down here soÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how do you tell if youíre being coerced?

Kiri: okay because youíre doing something that you wouldnít normally do or you're doing something that is against your beliefs or youíre doing something that suddenly popped into your mind that felt like a really good idea that you wouldnít normally do.

Russ: and how do you determine that, distinguish that from a wild hare?

Kiri: a wild hare? Iím not familiar with that term.

Skip: okay, a thought pops into your mindÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: by your own volition.

Kiri: ahh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: okay, that boisterous side of your nature.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: how you would deal with it is maybe itís something that you donít want to do. Now do the erroneous thoughts that you have occasionally that make you do wild things, most of them are more enjoyable correct? A little bit mischievous, you get a kick out of it.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: now if you donít?

Skip: then somebodyís put it there for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: what about like say sex?

Skip: like what?

Russ: sex, you know someoneís trying to coerce you into having sex with themÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and you really want to have sex with them but you really know better but you just canít help yourself, you just want to have sex with this person. Itís really something you want to do but you know betterÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but itís hard to tell if thatís you or them. I mean is it your stupidity or their coercion?

Kiri: that sounds more like a bit of both. Iíve yet to come across anybody that would knowingly have sex with somebody that they didnít really want to for whatever reason, even though that they really wanted to but they know better. Somebody that does that either doesnít know better, doesnít think of the consequences or is being coerced or all three. Now it only works if it is the combination of all three. You really want to, you know better but you really donít care that you know better and you want to do it anyway and they want you to do it as well.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: that is when it works most effectively the coercion because you really want to do it but you know better but you really donít care.

Russ: right or salespeople, our best coercers down here are salesmen....

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-uh.

Russ: and you really want to buy it, it sounds great, youíd like to try this and buy this but, "God, itís kind of out of my price range but Iíd really like to buy this, this guy sounds really convincing."

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh, now are you talking about people on your communication, on your entertainmentÖ..

Russ: no actually just people that walk in or that you meet in the street.

Kiri: uh-huh right.

Russ: I had one the other day who sold me big time but I got what I wanted, she got what she wanted but she was a hell of a good coercer.

Kiri: okay now, those people work one-on-one, I would say that they're good coercers. Theyíre not great, not by the standards on your planet.

Russ: right.

Kiri: now who are the great coercers on your planet?

Russ: politicians.

Kiri: thatís right, a lot of them are politicians.

Russ: sure, and thatís another one where you really want to vote for these guysÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: even though they donít stand for a few things that maybe you doÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: butÖ.

Kiri: they talk hell of a storm.

Russ: they talk a hell of a storm and they really got great charisma and theyíd make a great whatever they want to run for.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now would you say that I have great charisma?

Russ: sure.

Kiri: okay, would you say that I carry myself with a lot of confidence?

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: would you say that I am, I have great poise?

Russ: no.

Kiri: you wouldnít?

Russ: no.

Kiri: what makes you say that?

Russ: because Iíd compare you to Karra, Karra has great poise.

Kiri: uh-huh but Karra gets flustered.

Russ: yeah but she has great poise.

Kiri: uh-huh but she gets flustered, do I get flustered?

Russ: I donít know.

Kiri: uh-huh, I do get flustered but not very often.

Russ: I donít know, see I donít deal with you except on just the channeling sessions so it's not quite the same. All I know is, comparing you to somebody I do know who has great poiseÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and against her, yeah you donít have great poise.

Kiri: oh great poise? When Monka and Ashtar was here, ďumm okay we will proceed, ummmÖ.Ē No, I donít call that great poise, I call that being a little bit, a little bit nervous and jumpy. Great poise is being able to walk into a room wearing a backless, bra-less dress, full-length and know that everybody is going to turn and look at me and whether or not my headlights are on, Iíve got to walk upright, proud and smile. Youíve seen me do that.

Russ: youíre the ring mistress for that session werenít you?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I canít remember what happened, how was your poise that night?

Kiri: did I get flustered?

Russ: I canít remember.

Kiri: no I did not but you remember the inauguration ball? (Held on Sirius at the inauguration of their father to the presidency of Sirius.)

Russ: yeah, yeah I was there.

Kiri: how I walked down the stairs and everything and I was wearing a very nice dress a little bit short in front but very nice. No straps, no bra.

Russ: I donít know, I was watching Karra.

Kiri: uh-huh but poise.

Russ: well yeah like I sayÖ

Kiri: confidenceÖ.

Russ: I have to take your word for it.

Kiri: yes confidence, poise, keeping a cool head, being a little bit conceited knowing that yes I am good. Those are the key markings of a coercer, confidence. Confidence is very important. Poise, not being able to get flustered because you have to be focused if youíre coercing. If I wanted, I could run for an office just on my poise, my confidence and my lack of flustability alone. The fact that it doesnít appeal to me is something that is irrelevant, I could do that. Okay, more questions?

Russ: no that's it.

Kiri: Skip?

Skip: well I was going to give you a case in fact that happened here not too long agoÖ

Kiri: okay.

Skip: about your sex example?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh yeah right, right, right.

Skip: well a gentleman that's father to my grandsonís buddiesÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: got coerced into doing sex with a married lady thatís got kids of her own and after it happened she yelled rape.

Kiri: thatís not good.

Skip: no but he got coerced into it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how did he know though?

Skip: huh?

Russ: is it possible it wasn't the little head talking?

Skip: no, he went over to get his money because he works for her husband....

Russ: oh.

Skip: and she told him to come in and when he walked in and she threw the covers back and she was completely nude.

Kiri: hmm.

Russ: I still say that could be little head talking at that point.

Skip: you havenít seen this lady.

Russ: oh well, I......like I say yeah, I donít know.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: but that happened and he went to jail for it.

Kiri: but thatís something that needs to be looked at on your planet because it does happen too often.

Skip: yes it does.

Kiri: I mean I could come down to your planet and decide that I needed a good drilling and enjoy myself tremendously and then turn around and scream rape and kick up a hell of a storm and the person who did it would go to jail on my word alone.

Skip: yep because itís your word against theirs.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well thatís the thing, you have to know when youíre being coerced and if you are, I mean good shielding will help you but at some point youíre going to have to be able to exert control over that coercion and you have to recognize that youíre being coerced.

Skip: well itís all three points that came up, you want to, you know better and stupidity.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: "but who gives a damn, nobody will find out." Okay, any more questions?

Skip: no uh-uh.

Kiri: any more comments? OkayÖÖ




(Treebeard makes an early appearance because of his age.)

Treebeard: greetings.

Russ: greetings Treebeard.

Treebeard: well are you both?

Skip: just fine.

Russ: excellent.

Treebeard: that is of good.

Russ: uh-huh and yourself?

Treebeard: I am a little bit you would say dormant but not totally?

Russ: hmmm, okay we'll keep it short.

Treebeard: what would be the word?

Russ: tired.

Treebeard: ahh yes, eyelids being of heavy.

Russ: understand.

Treebeard: even though it being only of early up here. But still, when my age then sleep is something you of earning.

Russ: Treebeard?

Treebeard: yes?

Russ: can you try an experiment for me?

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: Karra and I are working on a little experiment just this last few minutes here that I thought you're the perfect person to ask about this.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: weíre trying to practice on reflexologyÖ.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: and finding a certain point in the hands that will bring alertness.

Treebeard: you want me to demonstrate?

Russ: absolutely.

Treebeard: hold hand out.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: under.....okayÖ..let meÖ..

Russ: oh.

Treebeard: okay.

Russ: oh
thatís it, oh thank you.

Treebeard: you may being of wishing to explain for tape what just happened.

Russ: oh right, Treebeard pushed into my hand somewhere just to the right of the center, lower quadrant.

Treebeard: with hand face up.

Russ: with hand face up right, with fingernail or finger point.

Treebeard: finger point. You felt like little jab?

Russ: yeah.

Treebeard: you are being active now?

Russ: uh-huh, ahh good.

Treebeard: there is another spot as well that is being here?

Russ: oh, to the other side of that?

Treebeard: yes, pushing down?

Russ: all right.

Treebeard: try it.

Russ: working on it now. Okay, I see it yeah.

Treebeard: uh-huh, there are several within hand.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: main one being just off-center is quick stimulation.

Russ: ahhh.

Treebeard: one on heel of hand is that correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: is more longer, it is more stimulation.

Russ: excellent, youíve picked up quite a bit of knowledge in your many years.

Treebeard: it is something that I needed of doing when dealing with plants.

Russ: really, why?

Treebeard: when planting lots of plants in limited of timeÖ.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: you have to be aware all the time?

Russ: oh.

Treebeard: so have short window of time to work so go without sleep to get things being of done.

Russ: I see.

Treebeard: so you learn little tricks to activate of body. One that has reverse effect but at start does not feel so is back of neck near towards the swelling of the.....I think you would be of saying cerebellum?

Russ: okay, at the base there? Just before it goes from the hollow up to the point where it starts to bulge out?

Treebeard: that is correct. If you apply gentle pressure there but do not use full pressure, you will feel a slight sensation.

Russ: oh yeah.

Treebeard: that will if jabbed.......

Russ: wow.

Treebeard: make you feel at first energy and then drained. It is like being of tub of liquid?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: and pulling out cork and energy draining out.

Russ: I see.

Treebeard: other such places being behind ears. Having noticed that head makes one sleepy whereas various parts of arms and hands activate. On body many different possibilities of draining or activating depending on where and pressure. It is something that is using of what you would call points of pressure?

Russ: yeah, pressure points.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: and using right amount of pressure would being of doing either on certain parts.

Russ: now why is our body like that? How is it just pushing on this little part of the hand makes you more alert or back of the neck or on the......whatís the energy connection there?

Treebeard: it is not so much energy but sensitivity to feeling and energy little bit. Certain parts are associated with certain actions. For example, you use hands most when stimulated, is that not of correct? They are more active.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: using head more when you are feeling of as I am, word was tired?

Russ: tired.

Skip: tired yeah.

Treebeard: so put two and two, come up with answer. So you using of head when you are ready for dormancy but hands being used for activity. Body other parts being used either so either can being of used. Yes?

Skip: that would be conducted by the central nervous system then.

Treebeard: that is being of correct. It works like electronical network as you are thinking of.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: wire maps of nervous systems apply pressure here, energize and channel energy flow through main conduction. Channel energy there and opposite effect of shutting down occurs so it matter of body circuitry like yes, computer.

Russ: hmm, so if youíre staying healthy and maintaining youth, isnít there parts of the body you could work on on a daily basis to bringÖ.oh feet.

Skip: on your feet.

Russ: yeah to bring up your health and so on?

Treebeard: if you of applying pressure to certain parts of feet, you have interesting sensations. If you drag nail up foot, does it not tickle?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: and your toes curl in and it makes you what?

Russ: laugh.

Treebeard: uh-huh, which laughter is being of associated with?

Russ: youth.

Skip: health.

Treebeard: health and youth, you are healthy when you are young correct?

Russ: uh-huh, so daily tickling the feet sessions for you.

Treebeard: not necessarily.....

Skip: no.

Treebeard: tickling more of massaging.

Russ: hmm, so every day work a little bit on the feet to stimulate your health and maintain youth.

Treebeard: I think Skip has experience of that from youth when wearing green? (Ed note: When Skip was in the military?)

(Skip chucles.)

Russ: huh? Okay, you guys lost me there.

Treebeard: many miles walked, is it not nice to sit down and massage oneís feet?

Skip: yes it is, 35 miles in one day is pretty far.

Treebeard: I am seeing that it would be. Over many different kind of terrain certainly would be of bruising to feet. So it would be of relaxing so learning at young age would be best time to know what points to use later on.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: okay Treebeard, can I make a statement here?

Treebeard: you are welcome of doing so.

Skip: thank you. I have learned just the last few years of the pressure points in the feet that controls the different organs and systems of the body. Now Iíve noticed that theyíre putting out rollerÖ..how can I say this? They're pads with ball bearings in them to stand on to roll your feet on to hit all the pressure points on the bottom of your feet.

Treebeard: those are useful and comfortable but you learn't about pressure points and what parts are good for what parts of the body or organs long time before reading about them but did not know that thatís what they did.

Skip: uh-huh, youíre correct.

Treebeard: so you had knowing that it felt good and helped you but did not know reasoning of why so you have both now.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: but the foot chairs that you think of you see in computer magazines?

Skip: no in fact Iíve seen them in the actual storeÖ

Treebeard: ahhh.

Skip: okay? Theyíre already been made and produced.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Skip: in fact Iíve seen them in Walmart.

Russ: seems to me that kind of sole for your shoe, an insert that had little ball bearings orÖ.

Skip: magnets, magnets.

Russ: hmm, Iíve seen the magnets.

Skip: yeah magnets are getting to be quite the thing down here now.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Skip: and I donít know if they're all that ingenious or not.

Treebeard: I am not of medic, what I know of pressure points I learned when working planting to keep going. But as older as I am getting, it seems more pressure necessary or maybe lacking strength in hands to pressure so.

Skip: it happens.

Russ: hmm, thank you.
 
Treebeard: okay, any more of questions?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: no, thank you.

Treebeard: thank you, I am going off to indulge in walk back so I may be of dormant.

Russ: excellent, have a good walk.




(Kiri watches the retreating form of Treebeard.)

Skip: hi sweetie.

Russ: hello.

Kiri: huh? Okay, that was informative.

Get: yes, very.

Kiri: uh-huh apart from heís looking tired, in fact heís wandering off and Lipitus is up on his hind legs boxing. I think Lipitus will follow him shortly. (His pet rabbit.)

Russ: who is he boxing with, Pegasus? (A cat on the base.)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: it amazes me that when heís with Treebeard he has no problems but if Treebeard falls asleep and other cats show up then Lipitus is in trouble. But they donít bother him down in his area, hmmm. Okay, what do we got next? Got any more questions for me?

Russ: not right now.

Kiri: pout, pout, pout, pout, poutÖ.pout, poutÖÖpout, pout, pout. Okay, we're almost ready to turn over the tape as well.




(Omal arrives to add to our knowledge of waveforms.)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: and when Skip gets back, it will also be greetings. It seems to be an informative session tonight do you not think so?

Russ: I totally agree, we're definitely covering a lot of areas Iím not even sure we were planning on covering but definitely getting the job done.

Omal: I think Kiri deliberately has been setting up for this waveform for quite a while.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: yes?

Russ: well with that waveform on that same note, itís like I never really got answered on the part of how do we see waveforms more though.

Omal: she did answer it.

Russ: yeah, Iím just not sure how we could put that into practical application down here.

Omal: I donít think Kiri actually knows how you would do it down there.

Russ: oh, thatís probably why then.

Omal: yeah, itís something she speculated on on the possibilities on the ways to do it but she used Sirian ways that she knows which is understandable. After all, doesnít everybody use what they know?

Russ: absolutely.

Omal: yeah try to convert it to things that they are trying to explain to make it easier for somebody and unfortunately as you well know, it can unfortunately blur the issue even more.

Russ: right, now you see waveforms right?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay, when you manifest, you see the waveform of the whatever youíreÖ..

Omal: different waveforms, greetings Skip.

Skip: Omal?

Omal: yes.

Skip: oh, thank you. Greetings to you sir.

Omal: greetings.

Russ: for example, when you manifest, you see the particles of matter coming together in to a solid formÖÖ

Omal: and coalescing in that form? Yes.

Russ: right. So when they do that, do they take a certain way of doing that or is it different for every thing?

Omal: itís different for each item. For example, the proverbialÖ..(Holds out his hand as if holding a penny, the standard object used for his manifestation lessons.)

Russ: of course.

Omal: okay, I see the waveform of the penny.

Russ: all right.

Omal: I see the shape, I see how it feels, I can see all the edges, I can see it creating, I can see it in my hand. Heads or tails?

Russ: heads.

Omal: tails but it is a matter of seeing the waveform. Now the waveform that Kiri was talking about is totally different.

Russ: okay.

Omal: it is a totally different waveform. The penny is an inanimate object.

Russ: right.

Omal: a living object has a waveform that is radically different, appears random if you look at it for a moment but if you watch it for longer you will actually see that there are patterns in it that are repetitive. The pennyís waveforms are steady, repetitive from the get-go to the finish. A thought waveform is different, it will be for example if we use a zigzag, it would beÖ..see how it repeats whereas a penny would be very much very similar all the way down through?

Russ: yes but youíre taking matter which is in a form thatís totally random and every which way and you're turning it into a very steady waveform.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now isnít that maybe a clue toward the manifestation of a penny?

Omal: no.

Russ: youíre not controlling the flow of the wave......?


SIDE ONE ENDS



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SIDE TWO

(Due to his responsibilities, Omal starts side two but then has to leave.)


Omal: ÖÖ.is I am seeing the penny, the waveform comes once the penny is formed into that pattern.

Russ: ohhhhh.

Omal: it doesnít come first, it comes when it achieves.

Russ: thereís a key there somewhere.

Skip: in other words, itís an inanimate object that has the same waveform no matter how many different ones you see.

Omal: correct, as long as they are identical.

Skip: uh-hmm.

Omal: okay now I only have a limited time unfortunately.........

Russ: hmm.

Omal: as things are starting to happen with interest. So what we will do is go over Kiriís comments about waveforms, coercion and her projects which she neatly sidestepped however, I know it was only a joke but I must point out that that cannot happen concerning the computers.

Skip: this was a joke.

Omal: I knowÖ.

Skip: this was totally a joke.

Omal: I know. Okay Kiriís comments on coercion are very useful. She again has worded herself well but has been cautious, not give too much away. She has given both positive and negative uses. This is something that we gamble on but by giving you both the positive and the negative, you can decide which is which even though Kiri states and the explanation's quite clear which is which, it gives you an idea of what to watch for in the negative capacity.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: o
kay do we have any questions?

Skip: no.

Russ: on the gamble that we're taking?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: not a real big risk though is it?

Omal: no.

Russ: because sheís not really pointing out anything that would be detrimental to a personís health.

Omal: okay, I do not see any problems with Treebeardís comments apart from the fact that he was getting tired. Any more questions?

Skip: no, I have none.

Russ: well we do have the report on our conference.

Omal: uh-huh.

Runs: I donít know if Karra gave it to you yet.

Omal: I have already read it.

Russ: oh, Iím just going to say, I just got it two hours ago so she's quick.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: oh she is.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, thank you very much.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Skip: thank you Omal.

Omal: live long, prosper and Iíll be back.




(Kiri ushers in her sister.) 

Russ: hello.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: yo.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: yo.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: yo.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: bite me.

Skip: not yet.

Kiri: well you wouldnít want to bite the host but if I was down there........

Skip: I canít get there.

Kiri: no but if I came down thereÖ.

Russ: Iíd probably get bit first.

Kiri: uh-huh, you have to move pretty fast to catch me.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: uh-huh, talking of horror stories.





(Karra takes her turn but a bit more relaxed than usual.)

Karra: (sighs)

Russ: you guys just have this little sibling thing going.

Karra: horror stories am I?

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: uh-huh, hello.

Russ: hello my love.

Karra: howís it going?

Press: fantastic.

Skip: how you doing darling?

Karra: Iím doing good.

Skip: good.

Karra: Iím doing good, Iím relaxed.

Russ: excellent.

Skip: thatís good.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: poised?

Karra: yes, the doctor said that I needed to be relaxed.

Russ: good, anything I can do to help? Well I guess Iím already helping by maintaining a goodÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: level of steady flow of energy lately.

Karra: yes, yes there is the other way of helping but no Iím very relaxed right now.

Russ: excellent.

Skip: good.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: in fact if I get any more relaxed they could put me in a bucket of water.

Russ: all right.

Karra: uh-huh, I was given something to munch on. (A blue flower.)

Russ: oh, thatís pretty relaxing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well my blue flowered, little relaxed person thereÖ..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: reflexology, maintaining our relaxed state of mind that weíre working on.

Karra: oh yes, yes reflexology. Okay, what did Treebeard cover?

Russ: Treebeard covered the points on the hand for quick stimulationÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and more prolonged stimulation, a point on the back of the neck forÖ.

Karra: uh-huh, just above the spine.

Russ: dormancy....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: correct. Letís see, Skip and Treebeard worked on points of the feet for maintaining youth and healthfulness.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and theÖÖ

Russ: oh back of the ears.

Karra: okay now there are some more, there are ones that Iíve used to immobilize parts of the body.

Russ: oh excellent.

Karra: uh-huh for medical reasons.

Russ: right.

Karra: okayÖ..

Russ: that'd be handy.

Karra: there are some pressure points on the sides of the ribs. By applying pressureÖ..just let me work outÖ..almost down to the bottom of the rib cage in fact right on the bottom of the rib cage. If you run your finger down the side about midway down in the middle, go down to the bottom of the rib cage and apply a little bit of pressure there and you will feel a little bit of tingling in the backs of your legs.

Russ: I must be doing it wrong.

Skip: ouch.

Karra: okay let me roll the host body, should be there.

Russ: itís on the very bottom rib?

Karra: uh-huh but quite, thereís one more below it.

Russ: oh okay, I see, second from the bottom.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay I got that one.

Karra: if you were to draw a centerline down through, itís right there.

Russ: okay.

Karra: there you go. Now if you rotate over a little bit more towards the back in the same rib, apply a little bit more pressure okay, you feel that in the back in your back? A little tinglingÖ.

Russ: oh there it is, I got that one of the back, I can't get the one on the legs though.

Karra: probably not applying enough pressure.

Russ: oh all right.

Karra: okay now, these again are pressure points.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay they have various different uses, the one for the legs will paralyze the legs if you apply enough pressure. There is a very quick way of doing it which looks brutal and discomfiting and you put your hands like this and beat on either side at the pressure points. What you do is you cut off the supply of blood to the legs as well as the energy to legs and the legs will fold and they are numb. Itís kind of a localized anesthetic for the legs. That will take out both of them if you do it on either side. If you do on one side, one leg will be inactive and itís the leg on that side. Now once the leg is immobilized and is numb, you can do whatever is necessary but you have a very limited length of time to do it.

Russ: so for a traumatic bone break you can immobilize it, set it, splint itÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: have it back up by the time the blood hits back again?

Karra: youíve got about a minute to a minute and a half.

Russ: no, that ainít going to do it.

Skip: in other words, youíd have to move pretty swiftly.

Karra: uh-huh, you have to get in there with your hands and push the bone back together, splint it, wrap it and I can do it just in a minute and a half.

Skip: thatís tough to do.

(Russ whistles.)

Skip: thatís tough to do.

Karra: and thatís actually getting into the bone with your hands. Now they will feel pain but nowhere near as much as they would feel.

Russ: go ahead and discuss these other things.

Karra: uh-huh, now....

Skip: okay young lady......

Karra: yes?

Skip:
let me ask you a question now on this.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: now what you describedÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: is more or less a local anesthetic.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: is thisÖ..youíve observed our people, our 3-D people in all states Iím sure. Is this one of the moves or actions that a martial arts person uses on another person?

Karra: probably yes, probably.

Skip: thatís what I was thinking.

Karra: uh-huh but they have medicinal uses that are much more useful than than the harmful. Itís normally something that you would use after using the martial arts for the obvious reasons.

Skip: sure.

Karra: martial arts fight you're pretty dinged up, you need localized anesthetic, what are you going to do?

Skip: in other words this would be included in the training of martial arts.

Karra: uh-huh, just as the pressure points if you've noticed that both Treebeard and myself have always stated, gently.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now if you go to the other spectrum, let us go back to the legs and the blow to the side on the ribsÖ.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: that will paralyze the legs. The harder the more longer and protracted the paralyzing is. A real hard blow and youíve lost the use of the legs.

Skip: okay but now let me ask you one other question, couldnít by exerting enough force break the ribs?

Karra: yes.

Skip: okay because it only takes approximately 14 pounds of pressure to break any bone in the human body.

Karra: uh-huh, what stops it from breaking is the flexibility.

Skip: yes, yeah I understand that.

Karra: yeah but if you were to hold either side, 14 pounds thatís what it takes.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: okay, youíre very correct, yes they are probably used in martial arts as well but much harsher and much different kind of focus.

Skip: uh-huh, you mean a swifter more vicious blow?

Karra: yes.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: with the intent to do harm.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now, the interesting thing is the pressure points, what are they? Okay let us look at the hand, the one that Treebeard did on Russ first of all. If you look at your hand right? Where he stabbed RussÖ..

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: was there a vein there?

Russ: yeah, thereís a vein, a blue vein.

Karra: okay? When he stabbed the palm of your hand.

Russ: yeah?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: a vein there too.

Karra: uh-huh, whatís he doing or did he do?

Russ: affecting the blood flow?

Karra: exactly.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: now I mentioned when you hit on the side that you stopped the flowÖ.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: I didnít say what the flow was.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: nerve flow.

Karra: nerve flow and blood flow. What youíre actually doing is depriving the area of oxygen, just for a momentÖ.bummph.

Russ: hmm...I see.

Karra: uh-huh. So what youíre doing is stopping the blood flow and the nerve flow to that area and when you do that in a healing capacity, you have a very limited period of time. Now if you do it in the aggressive posture, the window is much bigger and the opportunity is there to do what you would say more harm but it isnít as effective for healing because the energy flow that you need to return quickly to aid in the healing process doesnít happen so therefore even though you could sit and take maybe 2 Ĺ to 3 minutes, that area is not healing for that length of time. When you set a bone and put a splint and wrap an injured area with a minute and a half window, thatís all you have. Any more than that and youíre going to start doing damage.

Skip: okay, okay.

Russ: all right.

Skip: that makes sense.

Karra: because you're robbing the area of the oxygen.

Russ: now what about the massaging of the feet, what you doing? I mean he mentioned a lot about being able to generate laughter or at least good feelings.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ:
but are you affecting the blood flow there or just nerve flows?

Karra: youíre stimulating the blood flow by increasing the blood flow.

Russ: oh. Which helpsÖÖ

Karra: which helpsÖ.

Russ: oxygenate the body.

Karra: thatís correct.

Russ: I see.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: and by making you laugh. When you laugh, what do you do?

Skip: you increase your oxygen intake.

Russ: right.

Karra: thatís right, you inhale more air.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: questions please.

Russ: anyway, oh on the dealing with the conference.

Karra: uh-huh?

Russ: now that we have something a little more workable as far as their discussions on it, letís go ahead I guess and we should start working on getting the other channelers lined up now and get ahold of Renť? (Creator and webmaster for the now defunct Spirit Web.)

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, we will get the e-mails out and hopefully Iíll be much clearer headed by the morning.

Russ: no problem now he mention the Alpha Draconis, is that the Reptoids then?

Karra: my mindís a little muddled.

Russ: oh, well how about the Orions?

Karra: no, I donít think they are.

Russ: we do know the Orions would be workable?

Karra: uh-huh, the more the better.

Russ: I donít know who the Orions are yet but hmm, okay.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: weíll what the sayings are and weíll get a better idea.

Karra: okay, okay.

Russ: all right thatís it for me Karra.

Karra: okay Skip?

Skip: no, Iím mulling over what weíve discussed.

Karra: okay.

Russ: have fun love.




(Kiri returns to give Lyka her turn to channel.)

Russ: well she's pretty mellow.

Kiri: yeah, I thought it was a good idea.

Russ: obviously.

Kiri: uh-huh, she needed it, she takes life way too seriously.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: way too seriously, cool huh?

Russ: so tough to maintain that poise I guess.

Kiri: uh-huh, flowers help.

Kiri: okay, next speaker.

Russ: okay.




(A very pregnant Lyka sits down joins the session.)


Lyka: hey.

Russ: hi, is this Lyka?

Lyka: yeah.

Russ: hi Lyka.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: how you doing sweetie?

Lyka: felt like I've swallowed a melon.

Russ: whatíd you do? Oh thatís right.

Lyka: what did I do?

Russ: more like who did you do?

(Everyone laughs.)

Skip: poor baby.

Lyka: it was worth it.

Russ: of course.

Lyka: just wish we had more time to practice.

Russ: practice what, making babies?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: ahhh.

Lyka: do dry runs firstÖ.

Russ: oh yeah.

Lyka: just practice, itís a lot more fun.

Skip: oh yeah, the practice part's a heck of a lot more fun than what youíre going through.

Lyka: uh-huh yeah okay, Iím here to chat, answer questions.

Russ: excellent, excellent, we have all kinds of stuff going on right now.

Lyka: uh-huh, so I hear.

Russ: letís see, Iím working on food stocks.

Lyka: uh-huh oh yes, for sieges.

Skip: I'mÖ.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: I got plans to build a survival shelter in my backyard.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: that would be unique. Above ground orÖ.

Skip: below ground, 12 x 12.

Lyka: 12 feet x 12 feet byÖokay.

Russ: 12 x 12 x 8?

Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah but itíll be 12 foot deep because itíll be probably three to four foot roof over the top of it.

Lyka: so that would be 2 Ĺ units by 2 Ĺ units by how tall?

Skip: 8 foot on the inside or 7 foot on the inside.

Lyka: okay so that would beÖ.

Skip: come out two units.

Lyka: yeah about two units, just under. See I'm working on my maths.

Russ: doing quite well actually.

Lyka: thatís 1.85Ö.

Russ: okay, the working on food sourcesÖ.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: how long do canned foods last?

Skip: they'll last until the cans rust.

Russ: okay.

Skip: now if theyíre aluminum cans, theyíre almost an indefinite storage period to them.

Lyka: but there are things that you need to be aware of. Temperature will affect them, increase in heat will make the item inside swell and possibly damage the can unoticeably but still damaged and once a can is damaged, you might as well open it up to the air anyway.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: yeah because youíll get botulism in them once their damaged.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: but if you store them in what like I was talking about, a root cellar is what everybody calls them, the temperature stays consistent and your moisture does not attack the foods.

Lyka: yes, youíll have to excuse me, I was told the other day that root is a colloquialism on your planet for having sex?

(Skip laughs.)

Skip: yeah youíre correct, you're correct.

Lyka: so you have a cellar for having sex? Very good idea.

Skip: no. OkayÖ

Lyka: Iím teasing.

Skip: the terminology of root cellar comes from I would say probably a couple hundred years ago. The farmers or agricultural people all had a basement or an underground unit that they called a root cellar because thatís where they put all their food because it stayed at an even temperature and no moisture or anything else okay?

Lyka: yes my love (Leah) is whispering in my ear something very similar for fish...

Skip: okay.

Lyka: that they used to have where she grew up.

Skip: now they also used smoke houses which are small buildings with the siding open probably a quarter of an inch between the slats where they smoked meat and salted it down so it would keep. I was raised that way.......

Lyka: oh really?

Skip: so Iím well aware of how to store foods, how to keep meat and so on and so forth for the long period. Now meat moldsÖ.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: but if itís smoked and salted, you can cut the mold off and still eat the meat.

Lyka: yes we have a delicacy we have in the field and it is ocean beef. Most Sirians only eat fish and vegetables but Oath Keepers are allowed to eat meat.....

Skip: uh-huh.

Lyka: and ocean beef is beef that has been stored in ocean water.

Skip: oh saltwater, yeah okay brine is what we call it okay?

Lyka: and it will keep indefinitely. I call it a delicacy but itís very revolting.

Skip: yes it is.

Russ: really unpalatable.

Skip: well no itís okay but itís tough to get by because youíve got a mix it with other things to get it toÖ

Lyka: oh yes.

Skip: because you store meat in saltwater, brine, pickled pigs feet is brine okay? Iím trying to give instances of what we have in our world okay?

Lyka: yeah.

Skip: but
pickled pigs feet is stored in brine.

Russ: Iím glad I follow a Sirian doctrine of eating fish and vegetables.

Skip: well you can only keep fish for so long.

Russ: thatís true, well you can jerky it.

Skip: well you can salt it down too.

Russ: yeah.

Lyka: yeah butÖ

Skip: but still youíre running into unpalatable thing here because you've got to mix it with stuff to be able to eat it.

Lyka: yes I have eaten it on its own, ocean beef a few times from necessity.

Skip: yeah, pickled herring, salted herring okay? Man thatís tough to handle.

Lyka: yes butÖ.

Skip: it can be done.

Lyka: if you need to itís passable.

Russ: now you can pickle vegetables right?

Skip: oh yes, oh yes.

Russ: and will they stay indefinitely like same thing with beef like youíre talking about?

Lyka: you're taking a chance.

Skip: okay the only wayÖ..okay can I say something here hon?

Lyka: yes.

Skip: the only way to keep them indefinitely if theyíre sealed like canned fruit or canned vegetables in the jars okay? Once you can vegetables or fruit and you pressure cook it and that takes all the air out of it okay? And you put the lid on, as long as the seal is not broken on the lid theyíll keep indefinitely yes.

Russ: hmmm.

Lyka: yeah and I think sheís getting cramped. (The daughter she was to have.)

Russ: isnít she used toÖ..? Well youíre kind of small anyway arenít you? Well maybe not now but I meanÖ..

Skip: in stature honey notÖÖ.

Lyka: I am taller than Karra, taller than Kiri, Iím just skinny or I was.

Skip: youíre thin, thatís not called skinny.

Lyka: well Iím retaining water as well at the moment.

Skip: and another being.

Lyka: uh-huh, anyway I'm a little uncomfortable Iím going toÖÖ

Russ: well I have nothing else left.

Skip: no, neither do I.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: thanks for stopping in though.

Skip: nice to see you again.

Lyka: you may see one more time, maybe not, weíll see how it goes.

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay.




(Kiri makes the final transition of the night.)

Kiri: yo.

Russ: you look much more comfortable.

Kiri: huh?

Russ: you look much more comfortable.

Kiri: I do?

Russ: well then Lyka.

Skip: poor baby.

Kiri: yeah sheís being taken care of very well at the moment.

Russ: oh thatís good.

Kiri: uh-huh and sheís got an exam in I think itís less than a week now.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: so itís her ballistics exam.

Russ: oh not that again.

Kiri: uh-huh, sheís got to pass it.

Russ: okay so we have 10 minutes leftÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: any more speakers?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh good.




(Tia gets us up to date to close things out.)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)

Skip: how you doing love?

Tia: yo.

Russ: yo.

Tia: Iím doing good.

Skip: good.

Tia: I know what I need.

Russ: we had a.......market took a crunch today.

Tia: sorry?

Russ: market took a crunch today.

Tia: what happened to it?

Russ: stock market?

Tia: oh, market, you have to enunciate.

Russ: oh sorry, yeah stock market justÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: my imaginary stocks that Iíve got, a hundred thousand dollars worth, I lost probably a $1,000 maybe?

Tia: uh-huh, it wasnít too bad actually, I donít think it was too bad at all. Okay, let us look at some goings-on in the marketsÖÖnot the market, the world and Iíve got to be quick as we only have a limited length of time.

Russ: we have a little under 10 minutes.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, let us look at Russia. Russia, what can I say about Russia? What canít I say about Russia? I could say a lot of things about Russia, none of them positive. Boris Yeltsin, our resident alcoholic president and his changing in mind and the upcoming elections. Okay, this is what I see happening, trouble, big trouble. The economy appears to be stable, I say appears to be. For the casual observer it is stable but, if you look at the markets and Iím not talking about the financial markets, Iím talking about general markets, the prices of food, the prices of commodity, the prices of heating oil, oh dear. To quote, "the ruble donít buy what it used to buy and there isnít enough of it". The markets in Russia are in turmoil, the prices are staggering, the lack of action by the government is aggravating to the situation. Not because pumping money into the economy would work, what would that do? That would increase inflation. Print more money for money that you donít have. You do that, youíre asking for inflationary problems and the ruble definitely wonít buy what it used to buy, in fact it will buy a lot less of what it used to buy. Devaluing the ruble did not fix the problems. You remember we talked about the devaluation of the ruble and I said it was a temporary fix that wouldnít last very long?

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: well it hasnít lasted very long. I mentioned the winter, I hate to think of how many people died in Russia this last winter and it was a mild winter, mild for Russia. If it had been a harsh winter oh dear, if it is a harsh winter this year, oh dear. The last time that there was a major harsh winter followed or pre-cursed by financial unrest, financial difficulties, food problems, food production problems, guess what happened?

Skip: huh?

Tia: I'll give you a clue. It happened in November and it happened just over 80 years ago.

Skip: eight years ago.

Tia: 80.

Russ: is that when the Soviets took over?

Skip: '91?

Russ: the Communists?

Tia: Russ is right, it was the communists, 1917 November. Harsh, harsh winter.

Skip: oh 80 years ago.

Tia: yeah 80.

Skip: Iím sorry.

Tia: 82 to be precise. Very harsh winter in the middle of a war.

Skip: right at the end of the war wasn't it darling?

Tia: another year to go, another year to go in the first world war.

Skip: oh no, thatís 1812 to 1814 wasnít it?

Russ: 1815 or 1817 to 1819?

Tia: youíre both wrong, Russ is closer but heís off by a 100 years.

Russ: ohÖ.

Tia: 1914 to 1918.

Skip: oh yeah, first World War okay.

Tia: okay, okay.

Skip: Iím sorry.

Tia: thatís all right.

Skip: 100 years too early.

Tia: uh-huh, 100 years too early but that started the revolution, financial crisis followed by massive corruption followed byÖ..

Skip: Socialism.

Tia: well actually food problems, the ruble wasnít buying what the ruble used to buy, people starving, civil unrest and what does that sound like?

Skip: isnít that the beginning of communism per se?

Tia: uh-huh, thatís when it started but what does that whole entire scenario sound like?

Russ: sounds like now well sounds like with Yeltsin firing his prime minister and the cabinet and trying and get this new guy in thereÖ.

Skip: sounds like this country.

Russ: I donít think the Duma is going to agree to this new guy. (Vladimir Putin.)

Tia: well they agreed to the last one three months ago in May.

Russ: they had to.

Skip: they didn't have any choice other than a revolution.

Tia: yes there is a choice and it is kind of a revolution but itís not really a revolution, itís what you would call a bloodless palace coup.

Skip: yeah, okay.

Tia: and thatís basically you get as many people on your side as possible, turn around to the president say, ďyou got two choices, either you leave or we impeach youĒ.

Russ: lack of confidence in the Senate. Well Nixon went through the same thing and had to resign.

Tia: uh-huh. Clinton went through the same thing but somehow he survived.

Russ: he had enough support on one side to get through it.

Tia: uh-huh we wonít go there because I could go on about that for a long time.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay now Russia, remember what was said about the Asian flu?

Russ: yeah, it started in China or Japan but it spread to Russia......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and everyone else in that whole entire section.

Tia: okay and itís also spread to South America but itís not as bad I believe it was stated that it appears to be petering out. But, Russia is in a very precarious position. If they have a bloodless palace coup and they succeed and Yeltsin is ousted out, then the situation will temporarily be relieved. They will give the new government an opportunity to prove itself however, with the corruption that already exists, this is just a rest period just a respite. It all pivots on one thing, weather.

Russ: doesnít Russia have huge natural resources in its eastern sections it could sell and make up the lost revenue from the reforms?

Tia: you mean the oilfields?

Russ: the oilfields, the natural gas, all those reserves they have in the eastern section near Siberia.

Tia: doesnít belong to them anymore.

Russ: oh crap thatís right, broke up their country.

Tia: uh-huh, thatís another thing that is irking the Russians.

Russ: thatís right, I remember now.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah they totally broke up their country.

Tia: uh-huh, theyíre all independent nations.

Russ: and theyíre going to blame the current president for any kind of problems that happen because of that.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: because he didn't actually do it did he?

Russ: no, Gorbachev did.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but Yeltsin was Gorbachevís hand-picked successor.

Skip: he got caught in the current.

Tia: uh-huh, oops.

Russ: yeah, and Grenady (Gennady Yanayev) or whatever the communist leader in the Duma isn't very popular as far as becoming president but given enough circumstances he could bring back the communist rule.

Skip: yes he could, real quick.

Tia: uh-huh, very quickly and all the other countries around them, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, all those countries aren't very strong military wise.

Russ: nope, a strong military leader could take over those countries.

Skip: they could go right back to being USSR.

Russ: sure.

Tia: uh-huh, so easily and it would be a very popular move with the people.

Russ: oh yes.

Skip: yes it would be.

Tia: because the majority have known nothing but communist rule.

Russ: right, the people would volunteer for the army at that point.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: heck yeah.

Russ: just to go in and take over another country and take the spoils.

Tia: exactly.

Skip: huh.

Tia: so you see the dangers of a palace coup?

Russ: teetering on the edge.

Tia: what they may be forced to do.

Russ: thatís why the World Bank gave them a new loanÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: just this last month.

Tia: uh-huh, do you want to know something?

Russ: huh?

Tia: itís happening, it started.

Skip: I can believe it, I can believe it.

Tia: there is fighting going on right now, right in the southern part of Russia with the province right next door to Chechnya, theyíre attacking even as we talk. There is a pitched battle going on right now. (The War of Dagestan.)

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: in other words, they could become the second major power in the world again.

Tia: again, uh-huh but theyíll never be as strong as they were.

Skip: no.

Tia: but there is a battle going onÖ


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