Archivist notes: this session is a follow-up to the first podcast to be posted called Etiquette coming three weeks later but much closer to Karra and Kiri's father's inauguration as the President of Sirius. The bulk of the session has an economic theme. First with Tia giving a truly informative look at Earths economies and markets with Kiri finishing with a an even more informative look at the economy of 6th dimensional Sirius through an invention of hers I call the Salmon Wand.

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SIDE ONE


(Tia starts off the session)


Russ: and how's it going tonight?

Tia: it's going good, good, good, good, good, good, good.

Russ: excellent.

Tia: okay, there's a lot going on isn't there?

Russ: yeah one or two things.

Tia: well there's the Iraqi thing.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: which is going again. What did I say? I said it would go again and it will and it will get sorted out and it will go again. (sighs) That's Pugsley right?

(one of the house cats)

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, the stock market and its yo-yos. Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo-yo, up and down, up and down. Again, what did I say? The start of the year it would do some wild things. It's doing pretty wild so I think that's two points for me as opposed to saying that the Steelers would win, that's a minus I think but that was just off the cuff. Well you weren't thinking at looking at the facts. Umm okay, what else is going on on the topics tonight? Ahh, fiscal monetary collapses and the factoring in with the fiscal goings on in the market hmmm? Okay, how does that work, how does that factor in? Well, about a year and six months ago, I made the comments about the reason for the problems that are coming would be an external source, that there was a high probability that that would be the case and it looks like unfortunately I'm right again. What to do, what to do? I know, astral travel and answers and questions.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay do you have questions?

Russ: on astral travel?

Tia: uh-hum.

Russ: what about the technique of imagining yourself at the foot of the bed and then directing your consciousness to that imagination? That visualization you make.

Tia: yes that does work in some cases. I don't personally recall having ever done that and I'm pretty sure Mark has never done that and if he continues swearing like that I'm going to scratch his eyes out.

(a cat at the door was making a lot of noise)

Russ: well I would almost bet he would continue doing that. Want me to throw him out the back door here?

Tia: where is he, he's out there isn't he?

Russ: he's in the garage.

Tia: yes. Let him in and then throw him out the back door, that will keep him happily entertained for a few.

Russ: okay.

Tia: whilst I talk about astral travel and imagining your consciousness at the foot of the bed routine. Well, this again is another technique that is worth exploring. The exploration of that technique is something that should be done.........tell you what, let him in and let him get a bite to eat.

Russ: okay.

Tia: that's what he's demanding is food. There he goes straight off for the food right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, and in using various techniques and experimentation with those techniques will give an individual the best feel for what technique works for her or him. The techniques that we have described work for us and have worked in trials up here for us. So therefore it's not right for us to say that those are the appropriate ones to use, it's just alternatives to try and whatever works for the individual works regardless of the fact of whether it is doing the laying down in a circle and using candles or a 10 deep and 10 shallow listening to nice, soothing music. Those are just two possible ways of astral traveling. You can get as many astral travel masters together as you can from different countries and they will talk and they will pick out certain things that are working for them. But cobbling all those ideas together and coming up with the right formula that works for everyone is something that would be difficult. As for projecting your consciousness to the foot of the bed and traveling from there, that is just another kind of astral travel.

Russ: hmm okay. So best bet is maintaining a calm, using the breathing and projecting yourself in the ways we described before.

Tia: no, I didn't say that. What I said was that what works for the individual works for the individual, experimentation is the best thing. Our methods work up here and the other method that is used in the how to astral travel is something that Mark and myself worked on together that works also well but I did not say that they were the only ones.

Russ: right.

Tia: they are other possible ways of astral traveling. And to re-go over what I just said, there are a myriad of possible ways to astral travel.

Russ: okay, now when you're switching dimensions, is there any way that you can ease that process up?

Tia: I don't see that there is. It does get eased up with more and more usage and practice certainly but the rough crossover appears to be part of it.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Tia: it's a little bit like the early vessels that you had that were breaking the sound barrier.

Russ: right.

Tia: for them to start off with it was a real choppy, jumpy movement and as the pilots progressed on to better and better aircraft, it got easier and easier and smoother and smoother.

Russ: hmmm, so basically you just at first, you get kind of scared going through that.

Tia: uh-huh. I wouldn't say scared, anxiety and adrenaline rush.

Russ: right, once you go through there though you're connected by your silver cord so if you have any problems it can draw you right straight back.

Tia: yes uh-huh.

Russ: okay, good enough.

Tia: yeah, it's something that should not be worrying. If you're not ready to do it, you can't do it full-stop, end of discussion, end of subject, end of matter period, bunmfp, that's it. But if you are ready and you can do it and you have the power and the capability and the technical knowledge on how to do it, it shouldn't present too much of a problem apart from the fact of the adrenaline, the excitement of doing it.

Russ: well now we didn't really talk about the technical knowledge of doing it, all we've discussed is the theoretical knowledge........

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: followed by Mark's descriptions of going through it and mine is a little bit different.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: so what technical knowledge would be necessary for someone just starting out who wishes to do this?

Tia: well the technical knowledge would be knowing the correct point of exiting, the necessary speed to be achieved to do the breakthrough.

Russ: is that different with everyone?

Tia: it varies from person to person to a certain extent. There are key things that are the same, the building feeling of as you approach it the excitement increases and increases and that's also the energy building up that's enough to project, to create the breach for you to jump through.

Russ: I see.

Tia: those are pretty much common things throughout all astral travel. All trans-dimensional astral travel should I say. Okay the technical data is the necessary velocity increases as the approach for the jump occurs. Obviously the faster you go, the quicker you achieve it, the more energy is built up to be able to make the penetration for the jump and the projection necessary to create the breach or hole is the same amount for everyone. It just depends on how much energy a person is capable of projecting for that purpose. As the energy builds up and as the critical moment is approached, the energy is focused in such a way ahead of the person that it creates the breach or hole as the person approaches. Now obviously the hole seals up directly behind the person and seals around the umbilical cord that keeps them in touch with their third dimensional or sixth dimensional world. Now it's a constant same buildup either way, coming or going, making the jump from or to and the velocity that is achieved at that critical moment coupled with the energy creates the jump. The more energy that is put in of course, the faster the jump which also goes with the velocity. However, if the hole closes before you reach it, then you do not go slap bang into a wall, you just carry on going as you were in the same dimension just getting faster and faster as you would expect as you approach the velocity that is necessary to make the jump. However, if you have already projected the energy and the hole closed before you achieved the correct velocity, then that doesn't matter because you can always project more energy in to do the same thing if you have the energy reserves to do it.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: now if something does go wrong, the friction created on the umbilical cord reopens the hole so that you can pop out.

Russ: oh I see.

Tia: uh-huh. It pulls you back and no more elapsed time has passed then would normally be expected in the duration of the jump. You see, when you go through into the fourth dimension before you head to the fifth dimension, the cord slides along with you. It doesn't stay stationary at let us pick a fictional time of about 9:30. It continues sliding up through all the time possibilities and variabilities, they slide around your umbilical cord as it progresses on up on the relevant time. So when you make the reentry and you are spooling in your umbilical cord as it were.....there is a word I hate to say, spooling........then it moves up with you, otherwise you would be reentering at the exact same time that you left which would be very, very difficult to achieve.

Russ: right.

Tia: now, with duration jumps, it is slightly different on the umbilical cord due to the fact that the elapsed time may be five hours but you actually return an hour after you left. That involves a little bit of tricky stuff which I'm not fully comprehensible on, you'd have to talk to the experts on that.

Russ: okay now what about the abilities to jump from the third to the seventh dimension?

Tia: well basically they are very similar, it just takes more energy to make all those various energy buildups and jumps. For example, when Mark goes from or you go from the third dimension to the fourth dimension, what you are doing is projecting energy to breach the fourth and then energy to breach into the fifth.

Russ: right.

Tia: it's just more projection of energy for the jumps. For example on the 20th, I believe you have been invited to a formal function on the sixth dimension.

Russ: right.

Tia: and the energy that is necessary is not for a jump to the fifth but a jump to the sixth. So you go from the third to the fourth as your first jump point, to the fifth, that's the second jump point, to the sixth which is your third jump point. You just need a third more energy than you normally do.

Russ: I see. And it's just though the seventh you would go another one.

Tia: correct.

Russ: what changes are you going to recognize in the seventh then you would in the sixth?

Tia: I don't know, I've never been there.

Russ: oh. I guess it's a question of clarity, I'll ask Omal.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, interesting question though.

Tia: yeah, it is.

Russ: okay. I can't think of anything else on astral travel.

Tia: okay, do you have any other questions in my field of expertise?

Russ: yeah Indonesia.

Tia: that was my obtuse fiscal reference.

Russ: oh I figured that.

Tia: what is going on? What is going on? And what have you been eating?

Russ: who?

Tia: you, making gaseous noises.

Russ: I'm not actually, that's Calvin.

(another one of the house cats)

Tia: well maybe we should vent him outside for that?

Russ: okay, come on Calvin.

Tia: but yes, Indonesia, Indonesia and its fiscal problems and the loans from various governmental agencies and it's not just Indonesia that is having problems.

Russ: oh yeah, Thailand, China, Hong Kong.

Tia: uh-huh and their unwillingness to make changes in their economic practices and the annoyance of fiscal bailouts of U.S. and other European governments that have given the fiscal bailout and their anger at those countries not being prepared to make the necessary changes.

Russ: well how do we expect to get paid back from those loans?

Tia: I don't know, I don't know what people were thinking. I don't fully understand what is going on. I don't think they fully understand what's going on.

Russ: well for example if they don't pay, do we foreclose on the country?

Tia: (laughs) well would that mean that everybody would get a piece of Indonesia, Hong Kong, China, Singapore?

Russ: now the reason they're bailing them out is to prevent a worldwide collapse correct?

Tia: no.......yes, that is their belief.

Russ: and all they're doing is slowing down the process.

Tia: they're postponing the inevitable.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so in essence, they're just throwing good money after bad.

Tia: yes.

Russ: and what is causing these collapses in the first place? I mean we never have really discussed that.

Tia: okay what is causing it......

Russ: is it drought or a rice shortage or what?

Tia:  actually it is quite a number of factors. It's the fact that there was a boom and during the boom, they used money to buy things and because they were having a boom, people extended them credit and they used that credit after.......well not so much after but whilst they were having the boom to be able to purchase more stuff. Now the notes are becoming due and of course the boom has long gone.

Russ: right.

Tia: let us take Japan. In the mid-'80's they went crazy and started buying properties all over the United States. And the banks were having a boom and the stock market was having a boom in Japan and the Nikkei average was climbing and climbing and climbing and everybody was having a wonderful time. So, U.S. businesses go, "oh, well Japan's a good investment, let's loan them, the banks and the companies, money so that they can buy property at exorbitantly high rates and in turn we will get paid back plus the interest and we'll have more money."

Russ: right.

Tia: so, that happened, the Japanese paid exorbitant fees for such places as Heavenly (Ski Resort) and they stretched themselves. Then things started to happen that no longer was there a boom but the cycle had gone a complete circle and was going the same way but in reverse, that things were contracting. There was no longer the money going around to make the loans....to be able to pay the loans and in turn they had to start selling off their assets to make these loans.

Russ: so basically Heavenly, Steamboat.

Tia: Sable Point.

Russ: Sable Point, all were sold to cover the interest rates and the loans that were borrowed from.

Tia: correct. However, and this is where it gets a little tricky and this is going to open up your eyes up tremendously Russ, whilst the Japanese were buying and having finally bought their companies, let us take the Japanese that bought Heavenly.........

Russ: right.

Tia: they were still in a point of boom. So, with the money that they had, they went out and got more loans to put in more equipment. When they sold, they sold the debts as well. So that for example Steamboat, Heavenly and Sable Point owed X number of millions of dollars. When the Japanese sold out, those debts were transferred to the new owners. The Japanese did not negotiate a very good deal unfortunately, in fact they have a balloon payment coming up. So, when the new owners of Heavenly bought Heavenly, they took on the debts and also have to make those payments.

Russ: so they're hoping for a really good year right now?

Tia: oh yeah. They're hoping for a couple of really good years.

Russ: well they might get them.

Tia: well they might.

Russ: hmmm, okay......

Tia: they might.

Russ: now and so basically we're seeing the collapse coming from outside in?

Tia: what did I say a year and six months ago?

Russ: right but what about Germany, France, England, those countries?

Tia: they're getting affected as well.

Russ: well I know England has a really strong...

Tia: economy?

Russ: well no, they've got a really strong possessions within Hong Kong and China.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they're very committed to those areas.

Tia: yes.

Russ: so a lot of their investments and everything are all tied to those banks and everything.

Tia: not as much as they once were, a lot of people did get out......

Russ: okay.

Tia: and re-invested elsewhere in such places as the United States and Japan.

Russ: okay.

Tia: Japan again and their own markets. So, let us look at those countries. Well the British stock market, the Paris stock exchange and Frankfurt are all doing the same thing as the United States. Up and down, up and down, up and down like a yo yo. And because they're invested and are pulling their money out of foreign markets which is making the foreign markets go down and up and down as investors chop and change as investors do looking for a quick profit, their markets do the same thing because if you take money or take shares from one place, sell them let us say in the United kingdom, you sell your shares, let's say you have a million shares in the BBC. I don't think you can do that because it's a national corporation. Let us say British Petroleum, BP. You have a million shares in BP right?

Russ: right.

Kiri: you sell those million right? Which means that the price has to go down.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay whether or not you've made a profit, the price goes down okay? It depends on the margin of profit from the initial investment. You take that and invest it in let us say Japan. which makes the price in Japan go up. Now you make a profit and the following day you see the market starts to go back down so you sell there which makes the market go down even more preferably for a profit and reinvest it, let us say back in the London market which means the London market goes back up whereas the other day it went down, you're now watching it as it goes back up. Or you pick a market where it is going up and invest in there and force it up even higher and then if you're clever enough, if you're playing the 24 hour game, you would go from let us say, let us start off with Japan, you sell in Japan in the morning and as evening comes around, you buy into the British stock market as that is going up and at the end of the day as it has gone up, you sell there just as the market reaches lunchtime 12 o'clock New York time or Chicago, you buy in there as that goes up which means that you're making money. But as you're pulling out of each market, you're pulling out when it starts to go down.

Russ: hmm interesting.

Tia: see what I'm....what's happening?

Russ: right.

Tia: but those are making real quick profits real fast and making a real quick turnaround. Where you were may be making a $1,000.00 on each market.

Russ: right.

Tia: but there again can also easily lose that or you may only be making a few hundred clear profit after trader's fees.

Russ: okay so how fragile is the markets right now?

Tia: very fragile. By looking at the markets and the increases like 86 points today and the drop last Friday of I forget how high it was or how low it was.

Russ: well something that is interesting is, I was watching TV the other day and it was like four or five in the morning and the Nikkei and the Hong Kong and the Chinese Hang Seng had all lost massive amounts of...

Tia: money.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and basically they were looking at a major collapse or major crash....well not crash but a downturn in the American stock market.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and then by the end of the day everything was up.

Tia: yes.

Russ: all across the board.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what happened?

Tia: well what happened was that investors saw an opportunity to make a quick profit because it was down and they rush in which pushes it up.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: let us say you start off in the morning when it was down 130 points right?

Russ: right.

Tia: and you put in $10,000 into the market right? You may make a couple hundred dollars profit by the end of the day.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: would you like to make a couple hundred dollars profit in one day?

Russ: I wouldn't want to lose a couple hundred dollars on it just in case.

Tia: but that's what ended up happening.

Russ: right.

Tia: is that all these investors rushed in because it was down low and pushed the price up and made a profit. Whereas if some bad news had come out right?

Russ: right.

Tia: they could just as easily pulled out and not rushed in and said, "okay, let's wait until Tuesday morning or Monday morning and see what happens then over the weekend."

Russ: interesting. Well thank you Tia, that was very informative.

Tia: uh-huh. It's not so much watching the market, it is watching how or rather knowing how people react.

Russ: hmm, yeah well you can't control the news.

Tia: correct but how people react to the news, if you know that right?

Russ: right.

Tia: then you can make a profit. How are people going to react to good news and bad news and what is good news and bad news? Let us say in 1929 right? You picked a small little company, let us say you picked a small fledgling company called McDonnell Douglas or Fairchild. Okay, you invested let us say a $1,000.00 and bought something like a 1,000 shares. Do you know how much that thousand shares would be worth today?

Russ: $450,000.00.

Tia: that's a lot of money isn't it?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: where did you get that figure from?

Russ: stock for McDonnell Douglas is earning $45.00 a share right now.

Tia: uh-huh. Pretty good profit huh?

Russ: pretty good.

Tia: so, if you were to build yourself a time machine, what would you do?

Russ: go back and find out the results of, no the results of all the Super Bowls back at least 20 years.

Tia: oh that's easy to do, just go and buy a book it tells you what all the results were for the last 20 years.

Russ: right. And just go ahead and bet on them all on the way coming back.

Tia: oh I see, why not just travel forward in time and pick up a book telling you the scores in the results of all the sporting fixtures just like supposedly happened in " Back to the Future"?

Russ: yep, that's where I got that idea.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well it won't happen so no problem then. Well it's all right, I'm pretty disgusted right now anyway.

Tia: why?

Russ: ahhh just too much weirdness in the world. I mean people so concerned with money that they forget everything else except trivial enjoyment. Those who love trivial enjoyment so much, they forget all about things like morality and laws.

Tia: oh really?

Russ: and there's very few really people who are concerned with other people.

Tia: there is more than you think.

Russ: well a temporary concern maybe.

Tia: should I?

Russ: I get the feeling that anything financial crashes and otherwise that happen are only for the good. Wake people up.

(Tia and the cat have disagreement about playfulness)

Tia: she doesn't understand playfulness does she?

Russ: nope.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay love.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

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(Omal comes on next)


Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: it has been some time has it not?

Russ: it has indeed.

Omal: approximately a month.

Russ: uh-huh, it's nice to see you again.

Omal: thank you and it is good to see you too. I believe you have a question for me to answer your question. It is different in the feel, the more in tune with the surroundings, the more vibrations from the surroundings, the more feeling of familiarity. The fact that in the seventh dimension, the trees are more aware, the rocks are more aware. Everything is more connected in the awareness of each other.

Russ: hmm. So all things manifest?

Omal: yes. Being a manifestor myself, I am more in tune than other seventh dimensional beings with my surroundings in my awareness, in the feelings of familiarity, the feelings of being connected.

Russ: so when you manifest something, is that something aware?

Omal: for me yes.

Russ: so isn't that sort of like being God?

Omal: no.

Russ: okay.

Omal: what is God?

Russ: well I mean the version of God that would be called a creator.

Omal: so, when you create a webpage, are you being a God?

Russ: well the point of it is though, with the awareness that you feel. Let me take it to another point, Ashtar-Athena.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in her channeling to us.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: reflected heavily on the fact that we're all actors and actresses.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and is that something you get into as the higher dimensions go up? You see more of the play?

Omal: she does love to use analogies does she not?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: yes, you are more aware of the play. Instead of seeing just the actors on the stage, the backdrop on the stage, the music coming from the orchestra pit, you are more in tune with the movements of the actors. The fact that on the mantelpiece maybe there is a clock, maybe there is something else as well. You see more of the picture, you see more of the actor's movements. The fact that the lead person that is talking, who is doing their poor actor that struts and frets their hour upon the stage, the person behind them may be leaning on one arm looking at them quizzically. The person to the left may be watching with their hands on their hips. The other person on the left part of the stage may be looking more into the audience and somebody else may still be walking towards the speaker that is strutting and fretting their hour upon the stage. Instead of being just aware of the speaker and the backdrop and the orchestra, you are more in tune with what I've just mentioned plus what they are wearing. The fabric that they are wearing, the texture, the color, the smells, the odors, the body movements, the body language, the meaning in their movements. You see no longer is it just a person on the stage speaking and acting, it is an experience.

Russ: hmm. Well Korton has often said that it's very important to listen to what is being said.

Omal: that is a higher dimensional outlook as well as something that is very useful and should be done on a third dimensional level.

Russ: right. Now let's take what you just said. This is more in the way of not only listening to the words of the play, but more paying attention to all the detail besides the words.

Omal: yes, the detail may have some meaning. For example, let us say that you have a person that is playing a scene that is all depressed and on the table is a dagger. It is there, it was there when the curtain came up but you see the dagger. You are aware of the dagger and the person who is playing a depressed scene, they grab the dagger and they stab themselves in the heart. You see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you are more aware of what is going on. You see more detail, you know the fact that they are planning something, the knife plays a part.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: there is a lady in the kitchen, this is on a stage. In the kitchen, you see that the table is set. She is complaining the fact that her husband is late. Now what does this tell you? She is in the kitchen. On the kitchen table is a knife, a fork, spoon, a napkin, a candle, a wineglass or two wineglasses, two plates, two knives, two forks, two spoons, what does this tell you?

Russ: it tells you she is preparing for more people to eat the dinner.

Omal: it tells you something more than that. How often does a person have a candle on the table with wineglasses?

Russ: it tells you that maybe someone special is coming to dinner.

Omal: good, now she is complaining. What does that tell you?

Russ: that he's late?

Omal: good. Put it all together. She is cooking a special dinner or has cooked a special dinner. She is expecting somebody of importance and she has set up accordingly and that person is late.

Russ: I see.

Omal: so it is being more aware of the goings-on. Being more observant. For example, look around this room.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: what does it tell you?

Russ: it's a place of study and a place of work.

Omal: now what kind of people have been in this room?

Russ: people who come just to learn.

Omal: more, there's more than that that is told. We're talking about observation.

Russ: well if you look at the tapes.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you would see that there's mass amounts of information stored here and that the people coming here are here to gain the information that is given.

Omal: there is also some thinking going on in here.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: there is a picture that indicates that. There is also culture as in the pottery. There is a reminder or a keepsake from a young lady. There is a lot of energy, there is a lot of humor.

Russ: healing.

Omal: a lot of healing. So it is not just a place where people come to study. It is a place filled with memories, humor, knowledge, energy and I could go on listing.

Russ: right. I see what you mean.

Omal: it is a room that has had a lot of love, I'm not talking about the love for all things, I'm talking about the love between people.

Russ: uh-hmm.

Omal: it has had some physical love. These are all echoed in little pieces throughout the room.

Russ: so the first step is to listen, to gain that knowledge.......

Omal: correct.

Russ: and then to observe would be the next step in that.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and then what comes after that?

Omal: putting both together, listening and observing and finally interacting, being aware, being in tune, being able to know what to do. Doing the right thing, which is not as easy as it sounds.

Russ: what about sense of humor in the higher dimensions?

Omal: oh, we have a good sense of humor as you have heard.

Russ: as I've heard but not as often as I hear in sixth dimension.

Omal: no.

Russ: why? Is that because you see it.....you see it more of the actors and actresses.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: then you should be laughing at the play sad or happy because you just see it as the play, you don't take it as serious as if it was real life.

Omal: (chuckles) okay Karra made a very good analogy a while back.

Russ: okay.

Omal: concerning seventh dimensional and higher individuals. For you, you work on the scale of 23 hours 59 minutes, I work on a much longer time scale.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: so I may laugh, I may make jokes and I think I make quite a few jokes.

Russ: quite a few for....

Omal: but in the timescale of you, you see it as occasionally. For me, I do not see it in that timescale of occasionally.

Russ: ahhh. I see, so you get more of the bigger picture.

Omal: correct.

Russ: hmm, so it's tough to laugh 24 hours a day at something that's going on for a millennium.

Omal: correct.

Russ: you'd hurt your face.

Omal: put it this way, I told a joke to Korton.

Russ: okay.

Omal: I told the joke, it would be close to a 100 years now. This may in itself be a little bit of a joke. Korton got back to me on the joke just a few days ago. So you see the timescales are very different.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: when I talk of watching the aurora borealis a 100, sorry....80,000 years ago, that is not that long ago.

Russ: hmm, time just becomes meaningless?


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Omal takes over from where he left off)

Omal: put it this way, if each of your 38 years, is that correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: was a 100 years, one of your 38 years........just one of those 38 years was a 100 years, how many would that be?

Russ: 3,800 years.

Omal: three thousand, eight hundred years.

Russ: right.

Omal: okay, how long ago was that?

Russ: it was about the point where the Egyptians were just starting their civilization up?

Omal: actually they were at the peak of their civilization.

Russ: oh okay.

Omal: it is about the time of Ramses the first or second.

Russ: okay, so therefore the Sumerians were in pretty good shape also as were the Babylonians.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the rest the world was pretty much in a very dark age.

Omal: no, but continue.

Russ: right, basically if you were to look at the world at that point then, yeah it would be.....a lot of your light would be focused right there on Egypt.

Omal: now this ties in with what I was saying on the other side of your recording about looking at the big picture. You have just told me something that you did not say. It was a long time ago you told me, was it?

Russ: oh yeah.

Omal: was it? For you.......

Russ: from my point of view yeah.

Omal: but for me, it would be like saying last year, it's not that long ago. Now, from what I said, what did you observe?

Russ: well I observed you're pretty matter of fact about it whereas to me it's this incomprehensible timescale.

Omal: I told you something very important but you did not hear it. You said it was pretty dark ages all over.

Russ: and you said it wasn't.

Omal: correct. That should tell you something very important, something that you did not hear or you heard it but it did not register.

Russ: well I heard it and when I heard it I assumed you meant stuff like up in the Netherlands where the Vikings were still kind of getting their start but......

Omal: the Vikings weren't even in existence.

Russ: oh, okay. Give me two seconds here. 3,800 years ago.

Omal: China.

Russ: oh yeah, India.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: America was not even going at it. Peru and the Incas.

Omal: the Incas weren't even in existence then. Pre-Inca.

Russ: the Olmec's weren't even in existence yet.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: well this is some 6,500 years since the downfall of Atlantis.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore everybody's kind of just still picking up the pieces.

Omal: I will leave this for a later time on discussion.......

Russ: okay.

Omal: as you are having difficulty with it.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: okay, let us move along and let us answer some of Tia's or go over some of Tia's points. Okay her astral travel thing, that is her field. Even though I do astral travel, I am not the expert, you must talk to the expert about it. Actually the expert and myself are probably the one that she was referring to, I believe we're on the same level when it comes to astral travel. (Mark) Also let us quickly look over....yes she is quite accurate as always on her explanation on how to make money. I sometimes wonder if she would be more suited to being down there working to make money but she is here and she does an exceptional job. Are there any more questions?

Russ: not at this time though, I think we'll save it for next week.

Omal: okay.

Russ: farewell.

---

(Tia returns as ring mistress)


Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: "hmmpf", suited to a third dimensional lifestyle and I've got so much up here that I enjoy. Yes?

Russ: I was just saying I've got a job at the theater for you.

Tia: I suppose I could fill that criteria, I wouldn't be your girlfriend.

Russ: that's true.

(her and the cat have a discussion in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay.

---

(Karra joins the session)


Karra: hello.

Russ: hello love.

Karra: okay, first things first, the 20th.

Russ: uh-hmm.

Karra: let me do a quick bit of conversion here, okay. Could you make it by 1 o'clock your time?

Russ: p.m. or a.m.?

Karra: it would be in the morning.

Russ: p.m.

Karra: no that would be a.m.

Russ: oh a.m. So after midnight.

Karra: correct. Directly to Sirius for the inauguration. You'll have a five minute period to get there, can you do that?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: okay, if you leave earlier that's better, we can spend some time together. I don't have to worry about clothes for you because you will do that yourself. Okay, if you fade out again that's fine, the formal dinner starts about an hour and a half after that. If you are there, you are there, if you're not, you're not. There will be a dinner place next to me for you. Actually, it will be across the table from me.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? And we will go through the greeting line and then we will go to the announcer and the announcer will announce us to the main room. It will be Madam President and then you will greet her husband and then it will be Mr. Prime Minister...ahh Mr. President and First Lady, very much like on your planet and then it will be the Chancellor of, I suppose it would be the equivalent to the exchequer.

Russ: the what?

Karra: the exchequer, money.

Russ: oh the banker?

Karra: well in charge of....

Russ: oh finance minister.

Karra: kind of.

Russ: Treasury Secretary.

Karra: kind of.

Russ: okay. Combination of such.

Karra: yes, it's a combination of quite a few things actually.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and then it will be greetings to the primary secretary........first secretary.

Russ: do they have wives?

Karra: yes, their wives will be present but they will not be greeted.

Russ: oh.

Karra: they don't hold any office.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and then you will be presented to....what is her title? She is the head of the house, she's in charge of running everything within the residency. The offices, the banquet facilities, the dining rooms, the deployment of staff, the secretaries, everything. In fact she probably has more power in the house then my father does.

Russ: wow.

Karra: what she says goes. It's her job to make sure everything runs smoothly in the house. She is in charge of making all the appointments, she is in charge of dealing with all problems. It's her job to make sure everything runs smoothly so she has a very important role however, she is the last person on the line. So she is primary secretary.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and she is greeted as Madam Secretary and it's always been a woman that's held that position.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: she's only 600 years old so she's held it I think for about 300.

Russ: and she'll do the same for your father?

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay.

Karra: it is a lifetime position.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Karra: or until she becomes or feels that she is incapable of doing the job.

Russ: alright.

Karra: so don't upset her when you go and visit.

Russ: I won't.

Karra: okay? And of course there is Gonzo and you don't call her Gonzo.

Russ: no.

Karra: she is referred to.....

Russ: Madam First Lady.

Karra: no, she is referred to as my lady or Madam.

Russ: I like my lady.

Karra: and when you are presented to her, you take her hand and kiss it.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? It's very important.

Russ: no problem. What about primary secretary?

Karra: primary secretary? You don't take her hand, you just nod to her.

Russ: okay.

Karra: even though she is probably the most powerful person in the house, she does not rank in that line very much in the way of respect although she gets a lot of respect of because of who she is, what she does.

Russ: right. So I nod at everybody but Gonzo.

Karra: correct.

Russ: who I take her hand and kiss it.

Karra: correct.

Russ: that's easy.

Karra: you can shake their hands if you so desire. You do not shake the first secretary's hand. If you wish to shake people's hands, you are welcome to.

Russ: no high-fives?

Karra: no high-fives, no give me five on the low, it is very formal Russ.

Russ: I know.

Karra: okay.

Russ: I got it covered.

Karra: I hope so.

Russ: of course darling, I would not embarrass you as Madam ambassador, you know me.

Karra: if I have to stay in your mind and nudge you, I will do so. This is very important for me.

Russ: I know that love and I will be very much the perfect first husband...or I mean ambassador's husband.

Karra: this is my first formal affair.

Russ: well everyone seems to be pretty understanding anyway if I start fading out.

Karra: uh-huh, I hope so. Now I've seen Kiri's dress.......

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and it's fine by me.

Russ: okay. I'm not worried about it.

Karra: no I'm not worried about it either.

Russ: I mean if dad already said okay then that's fine.

Karra: yes, in fact I wouldn't mind one like that. In fact I have a better chest than she does, I would look better in it but that's between Kiri and myself.

Russ: of course.

Karra: but I would never wear a skirt quite that short. It is formal, it is acceptable but it is a little short. My skirt will be longer. Hers starts at the knee and works up, mine's fuller. That's because I hold rank, she doesn't, she can get away with it.

Russ: okay love.

Karra: I wouldn't also wear something that frilly either.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: okay.......

Russ: should be fun.

Karra: yes, very fun.

Russ: yeah, right. I'll be a nervous wreck.

Karra: hey, we have a few days.

Russ: true. All right, other noteworthy news, the tape on the other day that we're working on.

Karra: sorry, I was just biting Mark's nails.

Russ: I understand.

Karra: sorry, little sight gag. Hmm yes, very informative as always, I'd forgotten a few of those points.

Russ: yeah, me too.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm not quite sure on the editorial.

Karra: what part are you having difficulty with?

Russ: well it seems too serious.

Karra: actually on this I've got to side with Mark and Tia, I think it is a very important Hades Base News.

Russ: right but I mean the editorial doesn't reflect that I don't think. It's not....it doesn't grip you like the other ones do until the very end.

Karra: we worked on it together.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: and would I of...even though I've been distracted, would I have not put my heart into it?

Russ: true, you would.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but you have to remember though too, you've been working pretty hard at this stuff.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and I have to worry that maybe you were preoccupied.

Karra: I was relaxing a little bit.

Russ: okay.

Karra: that's why it is as it is, a little lighter.

Russ: hmm, okay. So we shouldn't try to rework it too much?

Karra: we will rework it but we'll see how it comes out. We'll kick ideas around.

Russ: okay.

Karra: everything can always be improved. If that's something I've not learned from Omal, then I've learned nothing. Everything can always be improved and everything can always be made worse.

Russ: okay well let's see what else...oh yeah, Giardia.

Karra: umm yes, Giardia.

Russ: or whatever that is.

Karra: I haven't come across those kind of parasites in a long time.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: now obviously she's getting well water correct?

Russ: yeah but no one else is getting it.

Karra: uh-huh, so it has to be somewhere between the mains or the main line and her place. So it has to be somewhere within that 30 foot section.

Russ: well it has to go through the treatment center before it gets to her area.

Karra: correct. So?

Russ: she's one of many who just caught the bug or just a rare case that was susceptible to it?

Karra: well the thing is to start asking around if anybody else in that area has got it......

Russ: yeah.

Karra: and if so, what is the city going to do about it?

Russ: right.

Karra: because they are now responsible for her getting this.

Russ: it is treatable though right?

Karra: oh yeah.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh, she just has to be very careful on her diet at this time.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: she can't afford to get a cold or the flu or anything else so she needs to take very good care of herself. She needs to follow what the doctor has told her to do. Also what she needs to do is boil all of her water and not have it on the cooker until it reaches boiling point but when it reaches boiling point, it stays on there for another five minutes boiling.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: and then it is put into a plastic container sealed and straight into the refrigerator to cool it or leave it out to cool but sealed so nothing gets in there. Or there is another option.

Russ: get purified water from the store.

Karra: correct. Or there was a third option is that she makes herself a still and distills the water.

Russ: I like my option I think.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: easier.

Karra: yes from the store.

Russ: hmm okay, I'll work on it tomorrow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, well it looks like I'm going to be working a bit harder now.

Karra: for the time being.

Russ: for the time being. Now where were we?

Karra: and she can't come and work at the theater with you as an assistant manager.

Russ: correct. Want the job? (laughs)

Karra: it would certainly be a lot less stress.

Russ: yes darling, just a little light humor for you.

Karra: uh-huh. And I know what you would have me doing besides the obvious.

Russ: yeppers.

Karra: colon, slash, Matilda, P, slash, green, slash, slash, you know, Matilda, etc.

Russ: right.

Karra: and I think....did we do it the correct way?

Russ: more or less.

Karra: in Java?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay any more questions as Tia's pointing at the chronometer?

Russ: no darling.

Karra: okay.

Russ: we've covered everything. Bye love.

---

(Tia comes back to hand off to Leah)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hey, how's it going?

Russ: good.

Tia: okay, next speaker.

---

(Leah makes a rare appearance)


Leah: hey.

Russ: hey.

Leah: hey.

Russ: is this Leah?

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: hi Leah.

Leah: hey.

Russ: how's it going love?

Leah: it's going good.

Russ: good.

Leah: what can I do for you?

Russ: help me understand how all life is a stage.

Leah: it is?

Russ: that's what I hear.

Leah: you ought to talk to my little sister about that.

(Huna, aka "The Bunny Monster")

Russ: I think I will, she's coming on?

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll wait for her then.

Leah: okay.

Russ: so how you doing sweetheart?

Leah: I'm doing good.

Russ: good, good. The Tenuvial clan is alive and well I take it?

(the family name of Leah and Bunny)

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent. So what's all this lowland dialect I'm hearing?

Leah: (chuckles) that's between us. We would not have talked unless it was important and private.

Russ: of course. I mean I have to put in the webpage about your guy's dialects.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah. Well that's good. And all the giggling was the important part?

Leah: yes.

Russ: that's what I was just checking on.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: I figured it would be. So what's up with you darling, how's your engineering class coming along? Did you get that test passed?

Leah: I'm still working on it.

Russ: still?

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: that was two weeks ago.

Leah: no, it was just last week.

Russ: it was just last week, that's right.

Leah: uh-huh. I've got the first one done.

Russ: okay.

Leah: and I'm working on the second project.

Russ: okay.

Leah: and unlike some lucky individuals, I don't get two weeks off.

Russ: what, to go to Sirius?

Leah: no.

Russ: you're not going huh?

Leah: no.

Russ: oh well, we're going to miss you dear.

Leah: yes I've still got to figure out how I'm going to wire this little problem.

Russ: well think of the advantages you'll have once you get it all figured out.

Leah: yes, yes, I just wish that I was as smart as Huna sometimes.

Russ: you'd be as smart as Kiri.

Leah: I would love to be as smart as Kiri. She goes, "it's experience".

Russ: well you'll gain it all as you go along here.

Leah: I hope so, I really hope so.

Russ: I have faith.

Leah: uh-huh but at the moment I have distractions slightly but they are secondary and my distractions understand the fact that it's important that I get these projects done first.

Russ: right. Cool, excellent. And so what else is going on besides your schoolwork? Probably nothing.

Leah: nothing much no, got a little tipsy last night.

Russ: well that's good for you.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: probably need to break away from the school grind.

Leah: yes, it was enjoyable actually.

Russ: oh good.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, now do you have to go back to Sirius for any really intense classes?

Leah: I have a week in February where I will be on Sirius where I have to give an oral.

Russ: (chuckles) okay.

Leah: why do you laugh?

Russ: well I thought Huna would be in charge of giving orals.

(an inside joke as Huna is quite sexually active)

Leah: yeah, she'll be giving an oral at some time. She's just a first year student, I'm a third-year student.

Russ: oh.

Leah: we give orals once a year.

Russ: I'm sorry love, it's a joke.

Leah: I don't understand.

Russ: an oral would be a form of physical expression of sexual gratification.

Leah: oh you mean like giving head.

Russ: (laughs) an oral yes. Giving an oral and I'm like, "okay".

Leah: no I'm giving an oral report.

Russ: I know, I know darling. You have been studying too hard.

Leah: I still don't see where it's funny and Huna's looking at me shaking her head and so is Kiri.

Russ: it's a third dimensional thing maybe.

Leah: oh. Tia says to say that you are an MCP.

Russ: well anyway, I'll be looking forward to hearing about your success with this second project.

Leah: uh-huh, okay I get the point and Tia's saying....

Russ: yeah.

Leah: okay.

Russ: bye my love.

Leah: bye.

---

(Tia is back but not for very long)


Tia: yes you are an MCP, now don't you forget that.

Russ: how could I, you remind me every night?

---

(Kiri ends the night with an incredible dissertation)


Kiri: I like how Tia does that you know?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: she'll stick her head in as Leah's getting out and talk over Leah as Leah's getting up and everything and then gives me enough time to slide in.

Russ: oh cool.

Kiri: oh we have quite a.......

Russ: menagerie.

Kiri: a congregation of some political (winds? Sirian maybe?) or felines. Oh sorry Tia, I didn't mean to do that.

Russ: what'd you do.

Kiri: it's not important.

Russ: ahhh, okay. How are you my love?

Kiri: I'm doing good.

Russ: good. This is Kiri I'm assuming.

Kiri: of course.

Russ: nobody handles the body quite like you do dear.

Kiri: no.

Russ: must be years and years of practice.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: cool. You still haven't got that little finger up though right? That's better.

(she demonstrates the proper English way to drink tea)

Kiri: is that how he drinks it?

Russ: well that's how you're supposed to drink it come on the 20th.

Kiri: this is actually going to be probably my first formal function where I don't wear something slightly risky.

Russ: well that's all right, I'm not going to worry about it.

Kiri: this is going to be tricky actually.

Russ: well what are you going to do?

Kiri: no, this is good to be tricky for Mark.

Russ: oh, why?

Kiri: cause she's not in there.

Russ: she's not in where? Oh, Mongi.

(one of the house cats)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so that's why you mentioned Tia.

Kiri: yes, okay. Okay in all seriousness, what can I do for you?

Russ: well my dear, how come you're so smart?

Kiri: because I study.

Russ: hmm, for years and years and years.

Kiri: uh-huh. Because I told Mark something very important and it's something that I actually practice.

Russ: and that is?

Kiri: learn at least one new thing, at least one new thing every day.

Russ: good point.

Kiri: now I made it little harder on myself. I've got to learn something really good, one new thing every day. It's no good let's say, learning how to use a match.

(holds up a strike anywhere match)

Kiri: that doesn't count. Learning how to wire a microphone, doesn't count. It's got a be something really useful.

Russ: what about trying to light the match without using the striker?

Kiri: that is different, that would be acceptable.

Russ: that would be pretty damn tricky.

Kiri: uh-huh, Tia can do it.

Russ: Tia can do it?

Kiri: PK.

Russ: PK could light matches?

Kiri: well she'd just rub it on something else.

Russ: oh yeah. I mean like create the heat around it enough to spark the match.

Kiri: yeah but yes, that is something that I try to learn, one new thing every day.

Russ: what if you don't learn it?

Kiri: I do.

Russ: but what if you don't? What if you can't learn how to light that match without a striker?

Kiri: I'll keep going until I do.

Russ: but what if the day gets over?

Kiri: my day's not over until I go to bed.

Russ: oh, so you're not worried about clocks?

Kiri: (chuckles) unfortunately I am but if I'm going to learn something new, then it's something that I know that I can figure out. There have been a few times where I haven't learned something new in a day.

Russ: you remember those?

Kiri: uh-huh. I remember them because I remember the failures.

Russ: amazing. Hmm, so you can't just look at a map and go, "oh, the capital of Omaha is..."

Kiri: no, no, it has to be something useful and hard. Not overly hard, something that you know you can achieve.

Russ: hmm. So what was your new thing today?

Kiri: oh it was the wiring of a transductor.

Russ: oh, and it worked?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: it took me all day, took me eight hours but I did it.

Russ: what was the usefulness of that?

Kiri: usefulness of that? That's the connecting link between a computer, from one computer to another.

Russ: why don't you just have a cable that plugs into each other?

Kiri: it kind of is but it's the wiring of it that's important. There's a chip that's or a little unit that's about that big right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and it's got probably about a 100 to 200 connections within it and that's what I was wiring and it's getting it in a sequential order to do so so that the transferral is (snaps her fingers). For example let's say if I was using your laptop with a transductor in there right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and I was using it on Mark's computer.

Russ: right.

Kiri: which you can't do but the transductor means that it can.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? And I wanted information from Mark's computer, I access it and it translates, hence the trans right? And it brings it across and instead of it going (Chook, Chook, Chook) and taking maybe a nanosecond, it is instantaneous.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and it translates. So what I could do is I could use it on my computer up here and link it to your computer down there if I had a long enough cable.

Russ: that'd be a long cable.

Kiri: uh-huh. Or if I had your computer and it would speed it up to the speed of mine.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: instead of slowing mine down, it brings it up to your speed. Actually it would probably fry your hard drive but I'd get the information off.

Russ: yeah it'd be like (birzz).

Kiri: hey wait a second, there's a switch in there that will make it go down to a point where it's neither bad......it's not bad for either computer.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: it's a pretty little smart unit actually.

Russ: and you did that all by yourself?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: impressive. In eight hours?

Kiri: in eight hours.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: apparently it's a three-hour job.

Russ: oh, it's already been done?

Kiri: oh yeah it's been done but it was new for me.

Russ: oh I see, I see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I see, oh so these are widely distributed kind of things?

Kiri: yeah. I had a bit of free time, in fact I have tomorrow totally free.

Russ: oh cool.

Kiri: because I've got everything I should be doing done. I can either work on the channeling setup or I can take the day off, which I think I might take the day off and spend it with Mark.

Russ: hmm. So why don't you learn how to figure out some little thing that can go in and maintain the balance of the salmon in Dolphin Lake?

(the salmon population had gotten larger than it should be)

Kiri: that's not my field, I'm not a marine biologist. You'd have to talk to Alana.

Russ: hmmm, there is not an engineering solution to that problem you don't think?

Kiri: yes actually I've got a very good engineering solution to it.

Russ: which is?

Kiri: well it's actually a thermostat that you stick into the fish and it cooks it from the inside out and the skin just peels off.

Russ: nice.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: all right......

Kiri: that's after you've cleaned it and everything.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: takes probably about a minute and a half. It's not anywhere as good as actually barbecuing it or really cooking it.

Russ: right, but if you're in a hurry.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: and it's only a real little unit as well, I made myself.

Russ: hmm. So it's like an internal microwave?

Kiri: yeah and it doesn't give off any harmful rays, it doesn't destroy the flavor and it's pretty good. And when you peel the skin off, all the moisture and everything is kept in and all the waste and everything, the excess, is filtered into the skin. So basically what you can do, is let's say you're trapped in the middle of nowhere, you happen to have a fish or a rabbit or anything else that you wish to cook, you stick this little thing which is about the size of your screwdriver, pass the screwdriver over.

(a screwdriver in the room is passed over to Kiri)

Russ: really?

Kiri: uh-huh. You stick it in right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and you press the button and it cooks it.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and then you take the skin off and you've got the cooked material inside. So you could actually, let's say this is stuck inside a salmon and it's in the salmon right? The salmon happens to be touching the floor right? It cooks it, you peel the skin off and you've got perfectly cleaned, cooked fish on the inside.

Russ:  hmm.

Kiri: you just don't eat the skin.

Russ: and you came up with this?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: pretty amazing.

Kiri: yeah I came up with it when I was oh.....I guess like 25 at the time. I was going on a camping trip with a girlfriend.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: yeah we were going up to the high meadow where the pink flowers are.

Russ: I still say you're a genius.

Kiri: no I'm not a genius.

Russ: I know, I know but I still say you are so there.

Kiri: Huna's a genius.

Russ: Huna hasn't invented a little thing that you stick into fish.

Kiri: no.

Russ: that's pretty damn tricky.

Kiri: but Huna is a genius and her intelligence is growing. If I was as smart as she was, I would be a genius.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: I mean an IQ of 107, 207 sorry, is normal, well it is just a tad above normal.

Russ: hmm still, I'm pretty impressed.

Kiri: why?

Russ: it's a handy little tool, survival tool.

Kiri: uh-huh. It's a good little camping tool.

Russ: oh yeah, is it widely distributed?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: wow. Does it say Kiri on the side?

Kiri: no, it doesn't say anything like that.

Russ: it's just a button.

Kiri: just a button.

Russ: hmm. Good PR department would have a field day with that thing.

Kiri: why?

Russ: well third dimensional wise.

Kiri: it is a survival tool.

Russ: I know.

Kiri: you can't put a price on a survival tool.

Russ: yeah it would be like putting a price on your life.

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: still, handy little bugger.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: good job.

Kiri: yeah people use it for camping, people that spend a lot of time in the wilderness doing research and stuff carry them because they're very useful. Why should I want to put my name on something that is useful for everyone?

Russ: well I'm just......

Kiri: why would I want to even sell it and market it as you're implying?

Russ: well you wouldn't, not on sixth dimension.

Kiri: no, it's something I don't comprehend. It is not a luxury item, it is not a fashion item, it is useful tool. Useful tools cost nothing.

Russ: see I'm still trying to get used to your monetary values.

Kiri: no, that's a necessity.

Russ: that's a necessity.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: clothing is a luxury.

Kiri: no, swimsuits are luxuries.

Russ: swimsuits are luxuries.

Kiri: uh-huh. Lingerie is luxuries.

Russ: what else is luxuries?

Kiri: clothing that is to show off the body.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: ski equipment, anything that is not a necessity.

Russ: hmm, decorative plants?

Kiri: that's not a necessity.

Russ: luxury.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: just checking. Okay stained glass, definitely a luxury.

Kiri: depends.

Russ: why?

Kiri: depends on where you are. If you are down in the southern parts near the deserts and everything.........

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: stained glass is used to decrease temperatures in the house.

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: air-conditioning in the mountains is a luxury. Down in the lowlands in the desert areas, it's not. Heaters down in the desert area are a luxury, up in the mountains they're not.

Russ: now nobody sets these prices right?

Kiri: correct. It's what the area and the environment dictates. For example, if you go down to where Huna and Leah grew up right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: swimsuits are a necessity depending on what type of swimsuit.

Russ: okay so your line of swimsuits would cost them wine.

(Kiri has a popular line of swimsuits she normally trades in wine)

Kiri: correct or whatever the person who is....

Russ: clams or whatever.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: but a basic swimsuit........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is a necessity.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: so it should be free.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now, how do they get ahold of your swimsuits and pay for it in their....?

Kiri: they go to the retailer.

Russ: which is where?

Kiri: all over the place.

Russ: in any major city?

Kiri: all over the place.

Russ: it's all over the place.

Kiri: well there are shops all over the place. My stuff is sold in very exclusive places.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: which sells lots of other luxury items. For example, let us say you are an entertainer.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: right? And you have lingerie as part of your profession.

Russ: right.

Kiri: that's a necessity. You can't do your entertainment without that lingerie.

Russ: so do they go into your shop where you have your lingerie?

Kiri: no. My lingerie, there are a lot that look like it, right?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: a lot that look like it. But what sets mine apart is the fact that they're custom-made for individuals.

Russ: oh, but what if an entertainer wants just yours?

Kiri: then she has to pay for it.

Russ: they do?

Kiri: correct. My swimsuits, my lingerie, my clothing line are all luxury items designed to show off the body.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: my little utensil, is not.

Russ: right.

Kiri: it is a necessity.

Russ: okay. So it's based on logic.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: not based on need.

Kiri: correct. For example, let us say you want to buy some really sexy clothing for the beach.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? You pay for that.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? Let us say you want to buy my line of warm clothing, you pay for that but, let us say you want to buy the warm clothing down in the desert, you really pay for it because it's not a necessity.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but up in the mountains, you just pay for it at a lesser rate then you would elsewhere.

Russ: okay, now let's say I want to get one of these.........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: because I'm going off in the desert to do some survival stuff.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, what do I do?

Kiri: you go into probably one of our local, it's close to a sporting goods store I would say and you would just walk in and you walk up to the register and say, "I'm going off into the wilderness, I would like to have one". They hand it over.

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh. They would expect some service in return.....

Russ: like what?

Kiri: if you had one. Let us say that there was a spill on aisle five, you'd go over and clean it up.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and if you didn't do a very good job so what? It's your karma and we're not going to have time to put Bunny on. Besides, Bunny's flirting.

Russ: okay. Interesting point though.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now, if I want to get a swimsuit, it's not your line but I do live at the beach.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I go in and say, "I need a swimsuit". They give you the swimsuit and then you owe them?

Kiri: yeah, I owe them a favor, you owe them a service. If you can't do the service on the spot.

Russ: right.

Kiri: let's say there was a empty shelf.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: right? Well you could go over and clean the shelf, straighten up some shelving, do whatever. Let's say they've got a delivery in, you go and give them a hand.

Russ: okay, or if they have a delivery to make, you make a delivery.

Kiri: that's right.

Russ: interesting. And they set the deed to the worth of the item.

Kiri: no, you do.

Russ: you do?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, and they base it on karma.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: and you have millions of people doing this every day?

Kiri: uh-huh, I'll tell you something funny. I was a little girl, God I must've been oh probably no more than six or seven and mother and myself were at the store and I wanted some candy.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? And there was a box of candy lying on the floor that had just been put there to be put on the shelf, I put them on the shelf and I picked out one for myself.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and I went up and presented it and it was mine.

Russ: fair enough.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: interesting, this is going to be a good part for the webpage actually.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: I'm kind of looking forward to putting this on there. What about books?

Kiri: books?

Russ: or holograms or.....

Kiri: educational stuff is in a totally different category of its own.

Russ: it's all free.

Kiri: it's all free but you bring it back when you're finished with it.

Russ: ahhh, okay.

Kiri: bring it back when you're finished.

Russ: so what about......so your things that you studied in college, those items that you studied are still accessible but on a computer?

Kiri: correct. They're all on disk.

Russ: they're all on disk.

Kiri: actually, I have copies of some of the really important stuff.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: educational stuff, there is no price for it.

Russ: what about food?

Kiri: food?

Russ: yeah, what if you're hungry and you want to go out to eat at a restaurant? You do the dishes afterwards?

Kiri: that is a luxury.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that is a luxury. What service can you do or what can you trade?

Russ: similar to the corner bar?

(a drinking and eating establishment near Kiri, Tia and Mark's apartment)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: when you go into the corner bar and drink, it helps if you take a bottle of wine with you.


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