Archivist Notes: For those who follow the
Hades Base News, the podcast for this month is a
flashback to March of 2013, the second podcast we
added to the web. The session that was posted took
place December 2nd of 1997 with this one taking place
a week later on the 9th of December. That session, "Fulfilling
Oaths", was special in many ways but the
aftermath of the title for this podcast is based on
the debriefing that takes place with Omal. How special
that session was is highlighted by Omal as he goes
through a review of each of the illustrious speakers
such as Sananda, Ashtar, Monka, Ashtar-Athena, Korton
and the President-elect of Sirius.
Side one has the tape coming
on mid-sentence on something I was reading prior to
the tape going live so Tia and I pick up from my
thoughts on what I was sharing at the time, a
channeling from a computer in the far future to those
of us in the present. She takes on the concept
seriously and she brings up some good points to go
over. She even uses the technology they use as an
example on how they prevent some of the problems faced
where such a thing was possible. She explores of how
what was thought of as improbable from our popular
media has turned out to be a part of our current world
and she uses examples such as the flip phone from
"Star Trek". That brings up the memory of the time she
was part of a prank where the techs of the Base in a
fit of boredom, beamed her onto the main hanger deck
in her sleep. In Tia's
final statement, she explains in one simple sentence
why we haven't been contacted by advanced higher
dimensional races to make this a perfect world with
all the answers to how the universe works.Omal takes
over from Tia and starts right away breaking down the
channeling session from a week before and elaborating
on what each of the distinguished guests discussed. He
stresses the importance of the session and throws out
some ideas on how to signify that importance before
moving on to the protocol required at formal events.
As I suddenly had to take some crash courses in the
proper behavior needed now that I was bond mate to an
Ambassador, he provided lesson one on the protocol
likely to be found on Sirius I may need to know. It's
a trip outside the door as far as the mic cord could
reach to give me an astronomy lesson. Had the timing
been better, I would have seen Wing Commander Taal
crossing the sky in his ship but he was not able to
make it in time. We finish up side one discussing a
recent archaeological discovery in Great Britain of a
site called Woodhenge.
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Russ: ..........from a semi-sentient computer in the year 2275.
Russ: and talking about this current future as we look at it.
Russ: it wasn't mentioning economic problems, it mentions mostly changes that will bring about higher consciousness and a wonderful, joyous place to live.
Tia: and from a semi-sentient computer in twenty what?
Tia: 2275. So basically 122 years into the future correct?
Russ: a little bit more than that but
Russ: it’s a ways.
Tia: that’s right yeah, 322 years. Okay, so what’s it saying?
Russ: well it’s saying basically that there will be this light and sound technology that will provide energy in the future…..
Russ: and that will free up ourselves from having to work for a living and we can devote our time to more mental pursuits.
Tia: okay, from a semi-sentient computer, is this a current computer?
Russ: no, this is a computer that will be built.
Tia: oh, so they’re projecting what it will theorize correct?
Russ: no, this is coming from the computer itself, it just hasn’t been built yet.
Tia: I’m confused.
Russ: well according to it, it’s channeling from the year 2275….
Russ: and it’s talking to us from that time frame in our time frame which is right now.
Russ: and it’s explaining how we’re going to be coming up and….
Tia: so you’re taking something from the future……
Tia: that is transmitting back in time…..
Tia: from some point that hasn’t even happened in your history yet?
Russ: right, future.
Russ: that’s what it says.
Tia: uh-huh, and is it channeling through a person?
Russ: but yeah, lasers and sonics are going to become a future power source…..
Russ: thereby bringing about an opulent society I guess.
Tia: uh-huh, I see. Okay let us address that…….
Tia: okay, a computer from the future that is semi-sentient, semi being the operative word. You can’t have something that is sometimes and is sometimes not as far as I know. Either something is or it isn’t. Resembling sentient, sentient consciousness is what it’s saying.
Tia: okay, if something is semi-sentient right? How can it theorize on what things will be when it’s not even fully sentient?
Russ: well according to it, it’s using part of the consciousness and will of its creators.
Russ: the people who created it which provides the sentient form of its address.
Tia: and does it say how great and powerful it is?
Russ: no, no, it just mentions the fact that it’s not a spirit operated computer that will come after it.
Tia: uh-huh, okay now let us take something from the future as supposedly transmitted okay? And I’m just hypothesizing as were using big words tonight and the way I see it is, something from a possibility is transmitting from a possible future to a past. Now as we have learned, there are many, many alternate realities, many, many possibilities and for something to transmit from a possibility back in time to a point, it could be transmitting not only to all possibilities but it could be transmitting from any possibility. Now, as the future is always constantly in motion, how can this be so?
Russ: well according to Einstein, time is continuously happening past, present and future all at the same time........
Russ: so therefore according to this computer, it’s operating on a time frame that is taking place right now……
Russ: but in the future.
Russ: and speaking to a lady who is now in the present.
Tia: or the past.
Russ: or the past.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, it sounds very confusing to me and when anything sounds confusing, you should question it.
Russ: oh I do.
Tia: uh-huh. Now I’m not saying that it is possible or impossible, I am saying that you have something from a possible future transmitting backwards in time wishing to do what?
Russ: enlighten us on our future.
Tia: which means there’s a flaw here.
Russ: well it says that its enlightenment could affect our future.
Tia: which means?
Russ: it might either destroy its own self by telling us this stuff…..
Russ: or bring it to a sooner point or nothing could change and it could happen the way that it is right now for it.
Russ: three different possibilities.
Tia: three different possibilities, there’s a lot more actually but let’s look those three possibilities, two of them are totally unacceptable to the computer.
Tia: okay? Which is it destroys itself, it
doesn’t advance anything or it advances beyond its
capability. The first and the latter are unacceptable
for any computer. Ours up here right? Are instructed
not to look into future events without specification
by us. We tell them the criteria in which to work in
and they look at projections which is not predictions,
they’re projections with known factors. For example,
let’s take something very simple and unsophisticated
and uncomplicated. You condense water in an atmosphere
of a planet and precipitation will happen, that is a
projection with a certain amount of probability. It is
not a prediction. Cooling of an atmosphere with water
vapor condensing in the atmosphere will create
precipitation, it is a known fact. And what occurs
with the data that is fed in such as percentile of
vapor, percentage of moisture, humidity…..not
humidity…..global temperatures, curves etc. creates
certain environments which makes the precipitation
happen. So for a computer to channel backwards in time
and say that it is relaying this information is a
risky proposition for the computer because it could
cease to be, that is unacceptable for a computer.
Computers no matter how advanced they get, their
primary.....primary......primar........their main goal
is to do Porky Pig impersonations and stutter. Their
Tia: their main objective is……
(Russ now breaks into a coughing fit.)
Tia: you feeling better now dear?
Russ: yes dear.
Tia: okay, their primary goal is to analyze information and data given to them and to relay that information. When anything says that it is relaying information from the future to the past, you have to wonder what is the objective, what is the plan, what is the goal? So, what is the objective of the computer, what is its primary goal?
Russ: well it doesn’t say.
Tia: it’s probably in there in the article somewhere hidden away…..
Russ: I really didn’t look hard enough….
Russ: I was just perusing it before you came on. Well here’s another scenario for you……
Russ: all right? What would happen let’s say we wanted to channel to the past?
Russ: when we get there in some 300 years, let’s say we want to channel back 300 years to 1698 or seven……
Russ: okay? And inform the people in 1697 of what’s going to happen in the next decade coming up or in the 1700’s?
Tia: but for them it hasn’t happened yet.
Russ: for them it hasn’t happened, it’s happened for us.
Russ: now in the first place, A, we can’t do it.
Russ: we don’t have the technology for it and even if we did, would we do it? I mean that would be crazy.
Tia: because it would be affecting a possible outcome.
Russ: it would be interference.
Russ: I mean for this computer to do so, I can’t in the first place conceive of how it could do it.
Russ: and I don’t even know if even you guys with all your technology would be able to know how to channel back 300 years in the past.
Russ: so let’s say that at that point in the future it's actually achieved, the ability to do so…
Russ: why channel back to right now? Why not channel back to a little while before it, giving the makers the lottery numbers or something?
Tia: that is exactly the point right there, why do it? Why do it indeed? It’s a risky proposition and due to the fact that so much can go wrong with the information.
Russ: yeah, it’s like you’re playing with your own destiny.
Russ: unless of course you are of the persuasion that destiny cannot be changed by affecting your past due to the fact that you’ve already lived that, your future.
Tia: now this is something that is out of my field really, you'll need talk about time manipulation to the experts, I’m not.
Russ: well it sounds more science-fiction anyway.
Tia: uh-huh, it does. It sounds very science-fictiony but there again one man’s science-fiction is another man’s belly laugh. Science-fiction can often turn into science fact.
Tia: take for example your popular entertainment of “Star Trek” right? And the one that was made in the late '60’s early '70’s?
Tia: and the flip phone that they walked around with?
Tia: that’s fact now isn’t it?
Tia: okay, let us look at a few other things that they did. Being able to scan a body and see what was wrong with it, it’s pretty close to science fact right now apart from they're a lot bigger......
Tia: the MRI’s.
Russ: we still couldn’t transport, we don’t have transporters yet but that'd be nice.
Tia: transporters are risky propositions anyway.
Tia: stripping down somebody’s molecular nature and sending it in a beam form, I’ve been through one once. Wasn’t awake when it happened and I didn’t see the humor in it. Everybody else did but that’s besides the point except for Kiri and Mark, they didn’t see the humor in it either.
Russ: when did this happen?
Tia: a while ago.
Russ: why don’t I remember that?
Tia: maybe Mark didn’t tell you. Anyway what happened was that they basically teleported us asleep in bed into the main hangar.
Tia: uh-huh, so we woke up in the main hangar……
Russ: oh yes, I do remember that.
Tia: in bed. I didn’t think it was very funny.
Russ: well yeah, you were on the giving end.
Tia: uh-huh, and you know how I sleep.
Russ: hmm, (Chuckles) that’s cute, who did that?
Tia: oh, some technicians as a joke.
Russ: well, you know those technicians.
Tia: they get mindlessly bored.
Russ: but basically yeah, it sounds like someone just wanting to just put something in because it sounds good.
Tia: uh-huh, they should probably…..
Russ: now here’s another thing though, okay she’s channeling this information….
Russ: now who’s to say that she’s actually channeling a 2275 computer?
Tia: who’s to say that she’s not?
Russ: well nobody but the fact is that there might be some other possibilities that she’s actually channeling something that’s using that analogy…..
Russ: for to give out information….
Russ: strictly on the fact that….I don't
know why but.......
Tia: oh there’s lots of different reasons.
Russ: right but I mean there’s nothing to say she’s actually doing that.
Russ: it’s a stretch of the imagination no matter what.
Tia: uh-huh. It’s more than likely that she believes she is channeling.
Tia: and it is more than possible that she is being contacted but by what, for what purpose?
Russ: or is she getting all the information correct or is she throwing in some of their own perceptions possibly?
Tia: possibly yes.
Russ: maybe she read too many Heinlein books?
Tia: uh-huh. Yes, to quote one of your poets, “there are stranger things in heaven and earth than you have dream't of in your philosophy Russell.”
Russ: hmm, so for now the jury’s out.
Tia: uh-huh well I’m ruled out by my own argument the fact that it is a computer.
Tia: uh-huh but if she believes that it's a computer then let her believe it as long as the information is good and sound. It doesn’t matter the source as long as the information is good.
Russ: yeah but the information’s that honey coated future that all the basic channels all predict.
Russ: it keeps people from preparing for anything that might be less than that.
Tia: correct. Now the thing is that all the comments and things that we have made over the years over the five years correct?
Tia: there’s been some honey coated, well not honey coated, there’s been some bright, sunny patches that we predicted and some dark, negative patches that we predicted.
Tia: out of.......let me scratch that and say projected. Out of the projections right? The ones that have happened have been both.
Tia: we don’t pull punches, we don’t do, “it’s going to be all right tomorrow.” (She start singing.) “The sun will come out tomorrow”, we don’t do that. We tell it as it is, we don’t gloss over anything. If it’s going to be horrible and nasty tomorrow and it’s going to rain tomorrow, we’ll tell you in a manner of speaking, I’m using the weather as an analogy. If it’s going to be bright and sunny and the sun will come out tomorrow, it will be as we projected. So our projections, we do a mixture of short-range, medium-range and long-range and out of those projections I think we have a pretty good success rate. What would you estimate it to be?
Russ: well at least 30%.
Tia: at least, seriously.
Russ: I don’t know, 80%?
Tia: I don’t know, I’m asking for an estimate, I don’t keep track.
Russ: 80% sounds good.
Russ: always like the 80’s.
Tia: yeah okay, so by your estimates it's 80%.
Tia: okay now, looking at that and looking at all these bright, cheerful, bubbly possibilities that everybody else is talking about, there’s something a little bit worrying when everybody talks about it being bright and cheerful and bubbly and the sun coming out tomorrow. "Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow" but like the old song, tomorrow is always a day away. With these projections by people of bright and cheerful and everything, it’s worrying that people don’t prepare for the doom and gloom because you have both. Having both is all part of learning. If everything was bright and cheerful and bubbly, nothing would be learned but being both, both night and day, good and bad, negative and positive, you have a wide variety of experiences from which to learn as much as you possibly can and in so learning, you advance. Some of your planet’s greatest advancements have come from great, great adversity. So, to take away all the adversity and make things bright and cheerful and bubbly, you take away the zest for life. You take away the zest for life and you have control over those people.
Tia: if we so desired, we could make it perfect for you but however that would be contravening the agreements of the Brotherhood of Light. We would be taking away your learning experiences. The learning experiences that you, your race needs, every race needs. To deal with development, you need those negative and positive experiences. You see?
Tia: nice little dissertation there on adversities.
Russ: thank you dear.
Tia: you’re welcome, any questions?
Tia: okay, do you have your shoes on?
Russ: no, I can get them on though, why?
Tia: you might need them in a few. Next
speaker, the honorable Base commander Omal. Just
Russ: very well Omal, thank you.
Omal: good, good, good, good. Okay, since I have not had the opportunity to talk with you since the visit, let us go over the visit.
Russ: right, one thing though, isn’t it actually the honorable commander of the Hades Base?
Omal: it could be, it depends on the situation and the protocol necessary.
Russ: hmm, I’ve got to get this stuff straight, okay.
Omal: okay let us look at protocol after I have covered the visit as it is being referred to up here. Okay, Leonedies will be a guest speaker.
Omal: he will be a guest speaker under a pseudonym. Let us take his name, Leonedies Tanaka and let us play around with it a little bit and see what we can come up with or what you can come up with.
Russ: well he actually suggested using his middle name.
Omal: which is?
Omal: Daniel, isn’t that one of Mark's middle names?
Omal: okay, that is acceptable. Okay Monka, short, precise, may not be usable due to the fact of its short, precise nature.
Russ: I might put it in just for the fact that it’s newsworthy.
Omal: yes. Lady Ashtar-Athena, definitely. Sananda, definitely, humorous comment and all.
Russ: joke too huh?
Omal: joke too.
Omal: because it shows that Sanada does have a sense of humor, the higher you go, humor is just as important.
Russ: it brings up another point too which is people will not believe it’s Sananda due to his joking nature and that’s quite contrary to the normal channeling sessions you'll hear from Sananda.
Russ: so therefore it teaches a lesson that in belief….
Russ: and faith.
Omal: correct. You can put down that the joke was used as an analogy on bravery. One of the joys of being a Base commander is knowing how to manipulate things, something that you too must learn.
Russ: working on it.
Omal: manipulation will be a topic we will discuss shortly. Okay, President Tanaka, we won’t use his full title as he is only President-elect at the moment so it would be Tanaka, Kiri and Karra’s father. Ashtar was brief I believe.
Russ: very brief.
Omal: Korton did not channel, I was very brief. Idea for the release of this. In gold lettering, special edition. If that can be put up at the top, further down, direct link to that section.
Russ: you want it to have its own section?
Omal: if it is possible.
Russ: we could do a whole…..
Omal: well we have to make this special because it is special to draw attention to it.
Russ: well what we could do is, we could do a section below. We got the headlines, then we have the news….
Russ: and then I could just add in a whole new section there before we get to the actual beginner section.
Omal: correct, the hall and the archives and all of that.
Russ: right, we'll cut in a section and put in a couple horizontal rulers there…
Russ: and put in special Christmas edition.
Omal: correct. Now an idea might be to do the background for that section in gold, is that possible?
Russ: sure, anything’s possible but it’s not going look very gold though.
Russ: we can’t get that metallic sheen in it.
Omal: hmm, that is unfortunate.
Russ: well, I’ve never seen a webpage with a metallic sheen behind it, if I could I just copy it.
Russ: I’ll look around and see what I can pull off.
Omal: if not, just a plain background.
Russ: well I’ve got...there's a paint program that’s got that I might be able to work with.
Omal: yes it has to be different for a reason to draw attention to itself.
Omal: okay? I feel as Base commander that it is important to draw attention to this, that special edition in gold lettering at the top, a link to it and then once the month has passed that it goes into the regular archives without the link and so on with a regular background.
Russ: under the guest section there?
Omal: but as this is a special edition, it has to be special.
Omal: I am sorry to dump this extra work on you.
Russ: oh Omal, I love this extra work, this is why if I was up there I would just go, "no problem".
Omal: and why did your aura fluctuate?
Omal: I believe that only sarcasm.
Russ: no, it’s facetiousness, it’s much different.
Omal: a sarcastic, facetious humor.
Russ: no, I really don’t mind.
Russ: it’s just right now I can’t conceive of it because I don’t know the technology behind doing the gold but I’m going to work on it.
Omal: okay now protocol, protocol and behavior. Formality, this is a little bit out of my normal ramblings. You may say that at times I do the inane ramblings of a confused Base commander.
Russ: I’ve never heard them but I suppose I’ll take your word for it.
Omal: it is a attempt at humor Russ.
Russ: ahh of course.
Omal: sometimes you do not catch my humorous innuendos.
Omal: as has been stated in the past, my sense of humor is extremely dry.
Russ: well sometimes it's really good.
Omal: yes, it is even drier than Mark’s I believe.
Russ: it is.
Omal: much drier. Okay, now let me start pontificating. Okay protocol, protocol serves a very important function, it establishes seniority and station in life. The station in life being the objective goals of individuals where they want to be, where they are, to where they want to go. In these protocol bound situations, the protocol has been designed over a long period of time so that no one is insulted and everyone is paid correct respect according to their station in life with the statement on their possibility of advancement. Take the Honorable Madam Ambassador, formally Lady Karra Tanaka Hatfield. It is stated the Ambassador from Hades Base, the Honorable Lady Karra Tanaka, full titles. This is paying her the respect. When you talk to her, Madam Ambassador, it is all respect. Any time it is formal, formality must play a role. When you are with her in a formal environment, you must be formal and she must be formal. If she is the hostess of the event and there is no one higher than her, she is the abiding authority, she is the person that everyone pays respect to. However, let us say the former or the current president of Sirius is at the function and she is the highest ranking person, then everyone pays respect to her. Let us say there is to be a holo taken of all the high officials present. She would stand in the center, to her right the person hosting the event, Madam Ambassador. To the right of Madam Ambassador would be her bond mate. To the left would be the bond mate of Madam President and then everybody would be distributed according to their rank on either side. But the center of everything is the person who is of highest rank. It is very structured in that way. It is something that has been on Sirius if I am correct for close to a 150,000 years and it has worked well. Why is something in existence so long? Because it works. If something doesn’t work, it doesn’t stay very long. If something is around for a long time, you have to wonder and question why and the majority of the time it is a simple answer, because it works. Protocol is designed to work, to behave in an official capacity with respect to the appropriate people and reactions to the appropriate people. Occasionally you get a rebellious person, these people are tolerated in these events. They are smiled upon as entertainment, “isn’t that entertaining? Oh how charming.” So protocol serves a function and it is what?
Russ: oh, it’s for......to correctly show respect to those who have worked to achieve the positions they are in.
Omal: correct and it is also to recognize their achievements.
Omal: okay, that covers that. Pause the tape please, go and get your……..
(After a short pause, Omal walking Mark’s body has brought me outside for a rare lesson he and I had done once before during a channeling session Mark and I held on a camping trip with just the two of us.)
Russ: it’s on.
Omal: okay, astronomy lesson.
Russ: we are on the extent.
Omal: okay, astronomy lesson. Okay, if you look, you have the moon.
Russ: got it.
Omal: okay now, in a direct line to the moon up high through the trees you see a red, non-flickering object correct?
Omal: that is where we are channeling from.
Omal: okay, if you go across and you should see through the trees there another non-flickering light, slightly gold in nature. Actually that’s blue, that is…..
Russ: yeah, straight there right?
Omal: yes that is Jupiter. Okay, unfortunately due to the trees….ahh, you can just see it through the trees. Okay, if you look up high you have Saturn, look directly up.
Omal: that is a special globular cluster.
Russ: you mean that little cloudy thing there right above us?
Russ: there’s three stars right there, looks like Orion’s belt almost.
Omal: no, there’s a lot more than three stars there. I count from here with the eyes I am using, one, two, three, four, five, six…..
Russ: oh there we go.
Omal: seven, eight….
Russ: is that the Pleiades?
Russ: ahh, beautiful.
Omal: but further on, through the Pleiades on the other side of the globular cluster that you cannot see is a special place that is now a nebula.
Omal: let us return inside so you do not freeze. You are coughing.
Russ: just the cold in my throat. So what is the special place?
Omal: that is now a nebula?
Russ: yeah, that's your old home planet?
Omal: that once was my home planet. (It no
longer exists, he's that old.)
Russ: ahhh, okay……(After getting sat down.)......yeah that’s refreshing.
Omal: yes I thought it would be interesting.
Omal: a quick astronomy lesson for you.
Omal: okay, when was the last time we gave you an astronomy lesson?
Russ: oh when we went camping.
Russ: when we saw Taal’s ship.
Omal: correct. Unfortunately he is not as punctual as one would like.
Russ: oh, he is supposed to be here tonight?
Russ: oh. Oh, you mean flying across in the sky?
Russ: oh. Oh well, it was a shot.
Omal: well, punctuality can be sometimes a weak point of pilots.......
Omal: due to other circumstances apparently.
Russ: no problem.
Omal: okay astronomy, the importance of stars. Now, certain visible things within the night sky, unfortunately the lead was not long enough to take you on a full trip to explain. What we were looking for was Orion, the hunter, Osiris and below Osiris is a very bright star which is?
Omal: correct. These two pointers tell you something important, they tell you the time of year. With the configuration of stars it tells you the time. Orion and Sirius in the position that they are with the three planets that were pointed out tell you the time of year and their relationship if you know tells you the exact date.
Omal: how does this work? Well, your planets orbit your sun and they will be in only certain positions in certain alignments once every so often. Now by measuring the movement of the surrounding stars in relationship to them tells you the time of year and the exact date because the configuration will appear only once, that exact configuration. So astronomy is not only being able to look at the night sky, it tells you the time, it tells you whereabouts your planet is in the galactic disk. For example, on December the 9th, 1997, Osiris was in night sky flanked by Jupiter, Mars and close to the moon Saturn. Knowing the distance from Saturn to the moon in your night sky how far it measures, knowing how far Saturn is from Mars and Mars is from the moon and knowing how far Jupiter is from Mars, Saturn and the moon, all three of those, gives you the information on the time. Knowing what else is in the night sky gives you the time of year, knowing where the constellations are to present at that time of year gives you the exact date. Now if we were to go back out and stand exactly where we were and look up at the night sky, you would have noticed that there has been movement. Only maybe half of a degree but movement nonetheless. That is the ticking of the clock, how far the moon has moved away or towards Saturn is another indication of time. See we’re now narrowing it down into minutes. Noting how far the moon had traveled in the night sky now brings it down to seconds. You see, astronomy is more than able to help you navigate, it helps you tell the time. Yes?
Russ: I want to insert something real quick. Recently I heard somebody tell me that there is a Stonehenge-like construction that’s been found in Britain that's much bigger than Stonehenge……
Russ: and was completely buried.
Russ: and it’s complete, it’s not destroyed in any way.
Omal: unfortunately that is half-truths, it is destroyed and it wasn’t destroyed by anybody in particular and it is not that far away from Stonehenge.
Russ: what’s the story on it then?
Omal: basically it rotted.
Omal: it was called Woodhenge, wood being easier to work with. Same configuration, just thinner and larger.
Russ: so it was a predecessor to Stonehenge?
Omal: they were present at about the same time.
Russ: I mean was one used as a model for the other maybe?
Omal: no, one served one purpose and the other served another purpose.
Omal: different times of the year, different functions.
Omal: but, as astronomers, as an astronomy.......what is it tonight with words? One is confused by that...........explain Stonehenge in astronomical terms is quite correct. It is both a lunar and a solar calendar. It is a common misconception that it is purely one, it is both, it is used for both purposes. The history of the nations that worshiped there changes over a period of time so that it was remodeled, rearranged and used differently in different points of the history. Much like the burial practices in ancient Egypt.
Russ: hmm, so essentially what they call the sacrificial stone which is the center of Stonehenge, could either be that or it could actually be a spot from which to chart the planets from.
Russ: a sitting spot so that it is a constant point to measure the distance the planets have traveled within the night sky.
Omal: correct. It is very unlikely that it would be offered or used as a human sacrifice spot although it was not unknown at times of great stress, of great difficulty, however that would not be its primary use.
Russ: right. And the same would be said for Woodhenge also.
Omal: correct but let’s get back to the
functions of Stonehenge....
Omal: not as a sacrificial site but as an
observatory to observe the procession in the night sky
of key stars and constellations……..
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal manages a smooth transition between sides.)
Omal: in fact by looking at those stars, the priest astronomers were doing a very important job, they were telling the time, they were telling the seasons and by using calculations the priest astronomers could calculate when to plant. Now let us move across the globe to the Americas and let us look at a certain movement in the night sky of Sirius. Sirius works on a eight year cycle but within the cycle……no, let me rephrase that and correct myself…….Venus works on a seven-year cycle and within its orbital path I believe although I am not an astronomer, there are I think four, yes four paths that it follows in its cycle through the night sky of your planet. And where it is tells you what cycle it is in and how the interaction is with your planet because of the cyclical motion or activity of the sun. Now, in its cycle it will pass through certain constellations at certain times.
(A cat meows.)
Omal: I beg your pardon. And with its behavioral patterns if you’re a keen astronomer, you can predict where it will be to the exact second in time 500 years into the future. What purpose this serves is up to the individual. Okay, any questions?
Russ: yeah, a lot of what Stonehenge, the great pyramid and the Mayans were interested in was in the position of Sirius….
Russ: and I would assume this stems from the Atlantean connection between all three.
Omal: correct and also Venus.
Russ: why Venus? Because of the seven-year cycle?
Russ: what would the seven-year cycle have to do with planting or anything?
Omal: a little bit of mass please. Seven years ago was when?
Omal: and what happened in 1990?
Russ: a conjunction?
Omal: no, on your planet.
Russ: oh, an election?
Russ: that was the harmonic convergence right? No it wasn’t.
Omal: getting closer.
Russ: oh yeah, that was the harmonic convergence or somewhere or something like that.
Omal: also it was a very dry year.
Russ: oh was it?
Omal: very dry year.
Omal: seven years before that….
Russ: that’s right I was here, that’s right and it was pretty dry.
Omal: uh-huh, seven years before that was ‘83 correct?
Omal: what happened in 1983 of that year weather wise?
Russ: I’m going to say another dry year.
Omal: no, it was a very wet year.
Russ: hmm. What, running in seven years cycles…….14 year cycles?
Omal: pretty close to it actually. So, observing over a long period of time where Venus is in its orbital path on one of its four seven-year cycles tells you a lot.
Omal: okay it is now 1997 and Venus is actually starting another one of its cycles.
Russ: El Niño.
Omal: took a long time to get there did it not?
Russ: 21 years.
Omal: uh-huh and this is shaping up to be a wet year. (A record amount of snowfall would fall that winter.)
Omal: so what does this tell us? It tells us that astronomy of localized astral bodies such as?
Omal: Venus helps you to work out the cycles. However the cycles aren’t constant unfortunately, they do fluctuate in the weather but as a rule of thumb, it goes wet, dry, wet, dry however there are instances where it will go dry, dry, dry, dry, dry for several hundred years. We will address that at a later time and the fragile nature and the importance of the weather fluctuation in Tia's projections. Thank you Russ, any questions?
Russ: farewell Omal.
Omal: live long, prosper and………..
(Tia jumps back on to usher in the Ambassador from Hades Base, the Honorable Lady Karra Tanaka.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hey Tia.
Tia: that must be one of the longer discussions that Tia……….Tia, Tia, Tia…..I’m Tia. Slap me with a wet sponge.
Tia: that must be one of the longer dissertations that OMAL has given.
Tia: two dissertations actually for the price of one.
Russ: uh-huh, I can only use one though.
Tia: yeah, you can save…if you transcribe both of them you can save one for next time.
Tia: save work on both sides. Okay, Madam Ambassador Karra Tanaka.
(And now, the Ambassador from Hades Base, the Honorable Lady Karra Tanaka.)
Russ: hi dear.
Karra: hello. Okay let me see, research time.
Russ: that was quite a tour this morning. (Of the ambassadorial quarters she has been assigned.)
Karra: yes, I’m going to rearrange things, I don’t the set up.
Russ: what don’t you like?
Karra: I think we’re going to have our private quarters a little bit further away from everything else.
Russ: well that’s good.
Karra: uh-huh, so that we have the formal area and the private areas separate. You know the hallway?
Russ: that goes to our room or to the other side.
Karra: to our side.
Karra: I think I’m going to use that as a dividing line and focus more of our private part up in one corner instead of having it kind of scattered and move my office down to the front.
Russ: oh that would be better.
Russ: so kind of like keep your office from away from our private side?
Karra: yes, so you don’t go past my office and I don’t get stuck in my office.
Russ: (laughs) “Honey are you coming to bed yet?”
Karra: “no I’m busy.” Okay, as I am a healer at heart, let us look at healing and certain negative activities that are harmful but have beneficial effects. For example, nicotine addiction. Its harmful properties, lung cancer, stomach problems, lack of sleep, lack of increasing in weight, dietary problems relating to that and a few others. Okay, benefits from smoking. Yes?
Russ: oh I know what those are.
Karra: which are?
Russ: ease of stress and tension.
Russ: a euphoria first point in the morning, a relaxant at the end of the day.
Russ: oh yeah, it’s both a stimulant and a depressant.
Russ: so it serves both functions and the body tells the nicotine….
Karra: what to do.
Russ: or the nicotine tells the body, one of the two, what to do.
Karra: okay also, it helps to decrease inflammation of the intestinal areas and as far as I can tell but my research is preliminary and I hope to continue it, smokers do not suffer from Alzheimer’s.
Russ: you don’t have many smokers to study up there do you?
Karra: no. Also, tobacco is a preservative.
Karra: it is also able to help to reduce swelling in a poultice form. Tobacco also helps to darken the skin pigmentation for protection like a sunscreen.
Russ: aren't there side effects from that?
Karra: well it gets soaked into the skin.
Russ: right, wouldn’t you get a carcinogenic side effect because of it?
Karra: not any more higher than too much exposure to sun.
Karra: you see the problem with smoking is not the tobacco but the chemicals that they put in there. For people that don’t inhale and smoke cigars, the increase in cancers is only about 5% higher than most people.
Karra: is that acceptable?
Russ: well anything’s going to kill you.
Russ: as long as you’re having fun doing it, I don’t see any problem.
Karra: exactly so, by looking at this persecuted habit, highly persecuted habit at that, it is you have to look at things from both ways. For example, on your planet smokers die sooner than most people correct? Smokers tend to be more reliable work employees. Smokers tend to be more relaxed and work harder. They don’t take so much time off due to ill health. People that are supposedly healthy on your planet seem to be more sick than most smokers. On my estimate a ratio of 2 to 1. Now the fact that they die at a earlier age and work harder could be a very useful tool in your government’s crusade for healthcare for children. Instead of pocketing the money which is basically what they’re doing, why not use the money from smokers that die early to pay for welfare for children, healthcare for children? You see? There’s a big flaw in trying to get rid and ban smoking in your country or any country. It’s a good idea but it’s not thought through.
Russ: well isn’t the fact that secondhand smoke is 10 times more deadly than first-hand smoke?
Russ: if I remember statistics, it’s something's worse about it though.
Karra: yes but it is not that high.
Russ: okay but at the same time, aren’t smokers then persecuting non-smokers by smoking around them?
Russ: aren’t they…it’s like an AIDS victim going out and having sex with people who don’t have AIDS.
Karra: uh-huh however, however, let us look at something that is far more insidious, air pollution by automobiles. Do you know living in Los Angeles is the equivalent to smoking two packets of cigarettes a day?
Russ: oh no I didn’t.
Karra: uh-huh, living in San Francisco is the equivalent to smoking one packet a day. Living in most metropolises within the United States is the equivalent to smoking between half a packet of cigarettes to a packet of cigarettes a day. But yet the automobiles aren’t persecuted, the automobile owners aren't persecuted for polluting and introducing something far worse into the air, carbon monoxide than cigarette smokers are doing….
Russ: oh yes they are.
Karra: automobiles are…..
Russ: oh yeah, I’m a person I can tell you personally that it happened to me.
Karra: that you’ve been persecuted?
Russ: yes I have.
Karra: okay, let’s hear the story.
Russ: well I bought my Jeep in California, I registered it in Nevada….
Russ: then I had to re-register it in California. California charged me $300 because I was registering the vehicle from out-of-state and it hadn't been smog approved in California when it was built.
Karra: uh-huh, but that is persecution by the government.
Karra: by the state. Smokers are persecuted by everybody. Now why is it that one group is persecuted and one group is not?
Russ: because one group is killing another group who isn’t doing anything about getting all the pleasures that smokers get, they're just being killed….
Karra: because they’re being selfish.
Russ: no, because they’re around smokers.
Russ: oh you mean the smokers are selfish.
Karra: the smokers are selfish….
Karra: because they’re getting the enjoyment.
Russ: right and they’re basically harming people who aren’t getting the enjoyment.
Karra: what about automobiles?
Russ: well they’re the same thing.
Karra: exactly but one group is persecuted and the other group is not because one is perceived as not necessary and the other one is perceived as necessary.
Russ: well one is seen as a luxury and one is seen as….
Russ: a necessity, a habit.
Russ: automobile driving is not habit.
Karra: it is a necessity, that is a perception.
Karra: which is more healthy, to hop in your vehicle or walk? Let us say you want to go to your workplace which is about a mile and a half away correct?
Karra: which is healthier?
Karra: which is more time economical?
Karra: which is worse for you?
Karra: which is able to transport a larger quantity?
Karra: so you see?
Karra: one, smoking is perceived as harmful however getting back to my initial starting, nicotine helps to sooth intestinal problems and they don't get Alzheimer’s. Now what makes the smoke from cigarettes so bad?
Russ: well as you said, the chemicals.
Karra: correct. Now, how do you fix the problem? Take the chemicals out.
Karra: simple. So, which is worse, smoking or driving?
Karra: both are equally worse, both are equally harmful.
Russ: you know I’ve got to disagree there.
Russ: for one thing, I don’t live in San Francisco and I don’t live in Los Angeles.......
Russ: therefore, I’m not breathing automobile fumes that would equal up to a pack or two packs of cigarettes a day.
Russ: I’m living in South Lake Tahoe maybe I’m getting half a cigarette, I doubt that, maybe a full drag.
Russ: whereas hanging around someone who smokes a pack of cigarettes….
Russ: I’m actually getting a pack of cigarettes.
Karra: okay now let’s look at it slightly differently.
Karra: how many people in South Lake Tahoe have died this year, this 365 day period from smoking?
Russ: I haven’t the slightest idea.
Karra: maybe one or two. How many people have died in automobile related incidents?
Russ: again, I don’t have any idea.
Karra: I can think of……..actually Tia says that she knows of a friend of Mark’s that was killed, a young lady that Mark knew that was killed and she says that if we hold on she can look up on the computer but I don’t think we have time. How’s the tape looking?
Russ: it's getting short.
Karra: okay, I am done.
(Tia signs off for the night.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, quickly to finish that off, the total is 17.......
Tia: as opposed to three. Work out the ratio. Okay, last speaker.
(Kiri gets us to the end of the session.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: what’s up babe?
Kiri: what’s up? Ohhh what’s up? Lots of things, lots of things. Okay, now let us address something of utmost importance.
Kiri: okay, let me see, very important this is. A masochist and a sadist living together, the masochist says, "hurt me, hurt me please." Sadist says, "no."
Russ: that's a joke?
Kiri: that's a joke.
Russ: hmmm, where have I heard that? Anyway, good joke.
Kiri: you didn’t get it did you?
Russ: yeah I got it.
Kiri: oh okay. Now coercion, tailor making coercion and all the problems thereof, therein, there…..
Russ: well you got to remember too, in three days she’s going to be here.
Russ: the coercion that she’s going to need training for is for the future.......
Russ: not for anything going on right now.
Kiri: correct, that’s why we’re going to be tailor making it for her.
Russ: good, because her and I are going to be working on it together.
Kiri: uh-huh. However there will be once we’ve chatted and got to know her, there will be a little bit where we will send you out of the room because we will give her some private instruction.
Russ: not fair.
Kiri: no, it’s perfectly fair.
Russ: I wonder how she’s going to be with meta-concert? Should be pretty good.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes we will be able to start that up again soon.
Kiri: so, why would I kick you out of the room?
Russ: so I would say you’re going to kick me out so that you can give her a coercive training for dealing with men.
Kiri: not quite.
Russ: okay, why do I have to leave then?
Kiri: for the simple reason that you won’t know what she’s going to do, you will be the target.
Kiri: the tape will go, well we’ll leave the tape on.
Russ: well what if she won’t want to be participating in that.
Kiri: then we don’t do it.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: but coercion training that is part of it. It’s not negative coercion, it is you are available for the learning......
Kiri: right? And due to the fact that I have a leaky connection that’s liable to leak stuff to Mark, we can’t use Mark.
Kiri: and if it’s being recorded which it should be, then we definitely can’t use Mark because he may hear it. And you don’t know right? Then you can’t fight back and resist her when she's coercing.
Russ: well I could shield though.
Kiri: shield practice for you.
Kiri: but if she gets good enough to be subtle and everything and you don’t have your shields up right? And all of a sudden you find yourself doing things that…..
Russ: my shields are always up.
Russ: yeah, they’re just not always as strong as they are when I focus on them completely.
Kiri: are you going to let her within your shields?
Russ: of course.
Russ: well she won’t do anything when she’s inside my shields.
Kiri: says who?
Russ: I do, she loves me.
Kiri: we’ll see, we’ll see.
Russ: that’s not fair is it?
Kiri: that’s part of coercion not being fair.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh my, it is a late channeling session.
Russ: uh-huh, well he’s off tomorrow right?
Kiri: I hope so.
Russ: I do too.
Kiri: anyway, hold on one second, I’ve just been handed a cup of tea.
Russ: please, enjoy.
Kiri: okay, we can continue.........came thrashing through the bamboo, comes in, an arm sticks in, hairy arm, “would you care for a cup of tea Kiri?” “Yes thank you, now go away.”
Russ: oh Mark?
Kiri: uh-huh, brought a cup of tea for Tia and Karra and Omal.
Russ: well that’s nice, if we had done over at my place, we could just have had the servants come out and do it.
(Russ starts laughing.)
Kiri: for somebody that is frowning upon his station in life, his sudden increasement to the honorable ambassador’s wife……husband.
Kiri: are you going to do the duties that would normally befall the bond mate of the ambassador?
Russ: yeah, stand next to her in reception lines and stuff?
Kiri: uh-huh and make sure everything is as it should be, that the servants are where they are meant to be, they're dressed as they're meant to be, that….
Russ: how in the heck? Do I look like Mark? Do I suddenly sound like I'm British or something and do astral travel trips with full solidity for 16 hours I could do that? That’s what it would take.
Russ: I’d have to be Mark to be able to pull that…..
Kiri: well stop your bitching and complaining then…..ehnnnn.
Russ: who’s bitching and complaining? I’m not.
Kiri: your tone of voice says you’re complaining.
Russ: nahhh. So anyway…..
Russ: coercion in its most simplest form is just an idea you’re passing on….
Russ: a suggestion.
Russ: hmmm, okay.
Russ: I’m just dwelling on stuff because I’ve got to work with her on, I’ll see her on Friday and…..
Kiri: uh-huh, in its most simplest form, coercion is transmitting a thought that is appealing to another person or another being.
Kiri: for example…..
(There is a long pause while Kiri coerces one of the house cats to come over to her from what it was doing.)
Kiri: yeah simple idea, simple thought was come. So, Pugsley stopped playing and came.
Kiri: now, that is coercion in its most simplest thought form.
Russ: so I suppose it gets harder when you don’t have a thought or a command that is agreeable?
Russ: so at that point it just gets brute forced?
Kiri: uh-huh, which is no problem if you have a lot of mental strength, mental coercive power.
Kiri: the stronger you are the easier it is. However, as we've discussed in the past, the morals come in to play. For example, I don’t want to have somebody come wandering downstairs and I look at them and go, “drop your clothes” and they drop their clothes.
Kiri: that is morally wrong, that is for personal gain for personal pleasure and enjoyment. So dude, you nervous?
Kiri: are you looking forward to it, are you going to be happy?
Russ: of course.
Russ: all right….
Kiri: well the tape’s almost over.
Russ: yeah, we're just killing it now.
Russ: so how you been doing darling?
Kiri: I’m doing good.
Russ: getting ready for Sirius?
Russ: it’s a little ways away.
Kiri: yeah, I’m going to wear a formal strapless dress with long white gloves. I was going to do it in emerald green. Why are you shaking your head?
Russ: oh I was just thinking, just a mental picture of you in a strapless dress.
Kiri: I will wear underwear.
Russ: okay, just checking.
Kiri: but a strapless dress is designed to be worn without a bra.
Russ: I know it's designed that way which is why I was shaking my head.
Kiri: uh-huh and that’s why I’m choosing it.
Russ: because you're not going to wear a bra.
Kiri: correct, I don’t like wearing hammocks.
Russ: oh like I’ve seen some of your bathing suits dear, they’re nothing more than a few pieces of dental floss and duct tape holding the whole thing together.
Kiri: and they’re very successful.
Russ: well yeah they're very successful, I’m not suggesting anything more than what you design yourself.
Kiri: uh-huh, they’re not designed to reveal more flesh, it’s to hide things.
Russ: well, why do you think I was making that suggestion for dear? Just to hide some things so that the president who is being inaugurated would be in the best humor as possible.
Kiri: strapless dresses are quite acceptable at formal functions. You think I would go to such an important event and be very silly and juvenile? I can be.
Russ: all I can do is I can just imagine your headlights coming on and…….
Kiri: do you think I don’t have that emotional control or that I would not take precautions?
Russ: it could get cold.
Russ: could be a cool breeze blows in through the door.
Russ: there’s nothing emotional about it…..
Russ: it’s strictly a physical reaction.
Kiri: because it’s cold.
Kiri: do you think I would be unprepared?
Russ: I just shook my head just because I had a mental picture of what it would be like for you to just sitting there, formal function in the reception line and your headlights come on. ”Hi, and you must be……uh.....uh...”
Kiri: there you go again, third dimensional male things.
Russ: well I’m sure sixth dimensional men have the same reactions.
Kiri: yes but they're a lot more discrete about it and don’t advertise the fact.
Russ: well I don’t either.
Kiri: uh-huh, strapless dresses are very acceptable and worn quite frequently to formal events.
Russ: of course.
Kiri: in fact I believe your late Princess of Wales did quite a few times.
Russ: I suppose, I haven't followed it much.
Russ: I don't go to many formal things.
Kiri: well you have your first big one coming up on Sirius.
Russ: yeah, I think some practice.
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh we’ve got about five minutes left.
Russ: been skiing lately dear?
Kiri: uh-huh, went this lunchtime.
Russ: how was it?
Kiri: it was good, nice coverage, good speed, nice turns. Unfortunately couldn’t take Alex.
Russ: oh why not?
Kiri: it was a little too cold for him, can’t let him get too cold. They’ve got to tailor made his medications so that he can get it down so that his immune system is boosted because…..
Russ: it’s better to wait instead of going too soon.
Kiri: that’s right and he really does want to go and how much we wrap him up makes it look difficult for him to put his skis on and things. It looks like a little Stay Puff Marshmallow person.
Russ: doesn't he have any psycho-creative power?
Kiri: nope, what he’s got is totally latent.
Russ: that's too bad.
Kiri: uh-huh but he has his manifestation, his coercion and….
Russ: can’t he just manifest warm molecules around him?
Kiri: I suppose he could but he’s more…..it’s the cold that does it. You can have warm air around him but it's still the cold that affects him.
Russ: right. Yeah I'm working on mental gymnastics.
Kiri: mental gymnastics?
Kiri: don’t you mean mental calisthenics?
Russ: no, it went beyond that stage.
Kiri: okay, I’ve got a bit of mental weightlifting for you.
Kiri: okay, how far or how long does it take and what is the distance for light to travel from your sun to Centauri Base? How many miles?
Russ: okay, it would be…..
Kiri: 3.9 light years.
Russ: (scribbling furiously.) So would be 10.574 miles. 10,700,054,something, something, something.
Kiri: how far, how many miles is it from your sun to Centauri Base sun.
Russ: 10,000,000 miles.
Kiri: 10,000,000 miles?
Kiri: nope, considering it’s 93ish from your sun to your planet.
Russ: 93 million?
Russ: so what is it, 10 billion?
Kiri: if I told you, you wouldn't be doing the mental weightlifting.
Russ: okay, so light travels from the sun to Centauri Base which is 3.9 light years….
Russ: light travels at 376,000,000 miles per second.
Kiri: uh-uh, travels at 186,000 miles per second.
Russ: oh, okay…..so.....
Kiri: so, in one minute right? It travels multiply that number by 60.
Russ: right, right. Oh boy, that’s a lot.
Kiri: okay that gives you one minute of speed. Multiply that again by 60 gives you one hour right? Multiply that one hour by 24 gives you one day. Multiply the 24 by the number of days gives you…...
Russ: one year.
Kiri: no, the number of days that it takes the 3.9 years. Convert that into days and then multiply that by the one day or by 24. That gives you miles per hour. Divide that by 365 gives you how far it travels in one year and then multiply it by 3.9 gives you how many miles.
Russ: quite a few.
Kiri: which works out to about fifty trillion miles or do you want the precise figure?
Russ: and it takes pilots from Centauri Base to reach Hades Base approximately 36 hours?
Kiri: well it depends on how high the jump is.
Kiri: cruise ship about 48, two days that is cruising, just poodling along. A express freighter, it would take it about 24. A scout ship on an emergency, priority high-speed jump, about three hours.
Kiri: that’s from takeoff to landing.
Russ: hate to be the pilot in that one.
Kiri: oh they’re highly trained and highly tough.
Kiri: the only parts that hurt are the jumps, braking in and braking out.
Russ: much G-Force?
Kiri: it’s a combination of things but G-Force actually does play a part in the initial takeoff…..
THE TAPE ENDS
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