SIDE ONE
(Tia is already in
a conversation as we get started)
John:
........the wrong person,
wastes valuable time.
Tia: wastes time? That
is a misnomer, some
of your silliest questions have produced quite
long and explanative examples and analogies
that have been quite profitable have they not?
John: that’s true.
Tia: uh-huh.
John: so you’re
telling me there is no such thing as a silly
question?
Tia: no.
John: to any one of
you?
Tia: none whatsoever.
No such thing as a silly question. Okay hello,
how’s it going Russ?
Russ: real good.
John: I’m doing well.
Yeah we’ve got cats outside, a herd of them.
Russ: well
that's.......you can let her in, that’s
Oddball.
(Tia tells the cat hi in Durondedunn)
John: oh hi Oddball.
Tia: that’s the
mutant.
John: yeah, that’s the
mutant kitty. She’s a good one.
Tia: most of the time.
John: she's pretty
good, pretty good.
Tia: okay, critique on
last night please.
Russ: oh it went real
well.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I thought it was
a little disruptive at some points where
people tried to get their personal information
back and forth to each other in the middle of
a channeling session.
Tia: oh we just
ignored those.
Russ: it’s disruptive.
Tia: so how you doing
Johnny?
John: I’m doing quite
well.
Tia: yeah sorry we
didn’t get down to see you last night but we
were concerned about Mark’s energy reserves.
He was pretty tired as it was anyway.
John: yeah he was
tired when he started and he was really
whipped when you guys finished up with him.
Tia: uh-huh.
John: and yeah and as
far as the computer channeling, I’m just not
comfortable with interacting with others.
Tia: yeah because I
mean we’re concentrating or both of us were
concentrating. You could’ve probably done it
easier last night because one of us would have
answered whilst the other one carried on
working.
John: oh okay, okay.
So both of you were all over Mark?
Tia: yeah it was very
confusing because I wanted to type and Russ
might have noticed that sometimes there would
be in brackets Tia or in brackets Kiri.
Russ: right.
Tia: and it was sort
of like a little add-on from instead of both
of us going, “yeah, this is how we’re going to
do it.” Directly from me or directly from
Kiri.
Russ: and Kiri saying
how your typing is a little bit slow.
Tia: yes, things like
that.
Russ: I picked up on
that.
Tia: uh-huh.
John: well you don’t
use a conventional keyboard like we use do you,
is it similar?
Tia: we do use some of
them for certain things. When
you have got a lot of people that are in the
same room working, it’s easier to use a
keyboard instead of have everybody going
murmur, murmur, murmur and all that murmur,
it’s distracting on the computer.
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: which does happen
unfortunately. The fact that keyboards are
taught in Sirian schools I believe, yes they
are.
John: do you use the
same…..
Tia: no.
John: alphabet?
Tia: no, there’s a few
extra……well in Durondedunn, we use keyboards
and there’s like a dozen extra letters there.
John: okay, but do you
use the same alphabet that the...?
Tia: no.
John: I believe our
alphabet derives from the Arabians am I
correct, the
English alphabet?
Tia: no, it originated
from the Roman alphabet or the Greek alphabet.
John: okay.
Tia: yeah.
John: okay.
Tia: but no, the
Sirians have how many? Six more letters and we
have quite a few more in
Durondedunn. Okay……
John: oh okay.
Tia: I have to put on
somebody to start off with.
Russ: okay.
Tia: and we will put
that person on.
(Karra comes on as the
next speaker.)
Karra: hello.
Russ: hello Karra.
Karra: yes.
John: hey Karra.
Karra: greetings
Johnny.
John: how you doing?
Karra: I am doing fine
however, my other half…..
John: yeah?
Karra: is not.
John: yeah, Russ the
love muscle.
Karra: he has a lot on
his mind at the moment.
Russ: well you have to
expect that dear.
Karra: yes, now first
of all, what we want to do dear is to stand
up. Okay, now put your arms out, ninety
degrees from your body.....that's
good. Now inhale. A
nice, long deep……..come
on inhale…… a nice, long deeeeeeepp inhale.
Now exhale very slowly, go......now, fill
those lungs up quickly, take a deep breath, go
(inhales) hold it…...now exhale. Okay, feeling
better?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: good, your
energy was getting a little bit concerning for
Tia, she was watching it on the monitor.
Russ: oh.
Karra: when she turned
her head to look at Kiri, she was also looking
at the monitor that is set up on the portable
unit.
Russ: oh really?
John: but that
breathing exercise you just did with a Russ, I
can see that his fingers relaxed, he was a lot
tighter.
Karra: yeah.
John: and as soon as
he started to breathe in, you can see it was
almost involuntary where his fingers.....
Russ: well you have to
realize it’s a little tough to switch gears so
quickly.
Karra: uh-huh, that’s
why we had you do that.
Russ: right.
Karra: yeah, your
energy level was as Tia likes to put it, was
reaching a point of impatient explosion.
Russ: I was trying to
channel some of it.
Karra: uh-huh, but it
was reaching critical mass that it would’ve
exploded in a rage of impatience.
Russ: sometimes it can
be handy I’ve noticed in certain situations.
Karra: yes, certain
situations like last night after the
channeling session. Yes?
Russ: what happened
then?
Karra: concerning the
person that you were talking to.
Russ: who, Erica?
Karra: no. Last night.
Russ: oh you mean Lady
Lorna? I mean the Muse.
Karra: yes.
Russ: oh the Muse
yeah.
Karra: I think......I
feel that she got what she deserved from you,
that she put herself or put you in the
position where you had to make a stand.
Russ: well she did,
she basically ripped into Tia and Kiri.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and hey, I'm not
going to stand by for that one.
Karra: no. What was
her phrase? Did anybody learn anything new
from this possession?
Russ: that’s right, I
got some good ones in on that one.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes but
I think she was a prime example of somebody as
Tia loves to say and it sounds so good, an
explosion of impatience.
Russ: yep.
Karra: she’s sitting
there going………feeling all important. Okay now
down to healing questions, do we have any to
start off with?
Russ: let’s see,
working with (Name removed) lately on my
healing techniques.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: anything more I
can advance on that one?
Karra: just keep
preceding as you are but remember that it is
necessary to verbalize that in due course and
to help her focus her energy and to open her
up so that she can realize on her own the
error and the danger that she is in, Johnny?
John: yeah, I was
going to get a flu shot and I know in years
past sometimes it depends on the vaccine they
use and sometimes they work good, sometimes
they make people sick, sometimes they're
totally ineffective. I don’t even know what
they’re using this year, should I go ahead and
get one?
Karra: well it’s up to
you, it depends on how bad the flu might be
that you might get.
John: well the odds of
getting flu in this community….
Karra: are pretty
high.
John: are very high
and with my lifestyle and with the skiing and
all, that adds to it and in the environment
that I work in........when I go in to a
walk-in refrigerator, basically it’s an
incubator for the flu virus. If an employee
goes into the walk-in before me and coughs and
has the flu, those airborne particles live in
that 34° temperature quite nicely.
Karra: uh-huh.
John: and then I go in
there to get some lettuce for example or
whatever and I’ve seen that happen before and
this place is big and there’s a lot of
different people.
Karra: I think you’ve
just answered your own question and what’s
happened to Mark’s voice? It’s making me sound
a little husky, okay.....
Russ: want me to get
you some tea or something?
Karra: no I’m fine.
Russ: a lozenge, a
throat lozenge?
Karra: I think it’ll
be all right for a while.
Russ: okay.
Karra: okay?
John: I think it’s
Mark, I don’t think it’s you.
Karra: that’s better.
John: Mark got his flu
shot, he complained about his arm being sore.
Russ: I got mine.
John: you have?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: but I think
you've answered your own question by saying
that listing all the negatives that there are.
John: okay yeah.
Karra: yeah. So I
would say it is your own choice, I cannot say
for you get the flu shot or do not get the flu
shot.
John: yeah I think I'm
going to go ahead and get it. Yeah you’re
right, I answered my own question.
Karra: yeah and that
is as Tia would say, it is a very good
question to ask. You have opened up the
thought process so that by talking to us or
speaking out loud, you’ve worked it through,
it is your choice.
John: thank you.
Karra: you’re welcome,
next questions please.
Russ: yes when you
mentioned about the error and the danger that
she's in, you're speaking of physical health
or mental health?
Karra: both.
Russ: and?
Karra: which one do
you wish us to look at first?
Russ: start
with physical health?
Karra: physical
health, well obviously there’s the depression
of the immune system through….
Russ: stress?
Karra: stress
definitely, self-neglect because of not being
felt to be worthy or good. People in that
situation tend to be almost constantly sick.
Also the fact that drugs and alcohol are
present and that she could end up walking down
that path. She has to be very strong to avoid
that physical danger because once she walks
down that path, it’s going to be a long, hard
time for her to walk out of it.
Russ: that’s true.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: all right, the
mental.
Karra: mental. Well
very similar to the physical, yeah being
constantly battered down mentally that she's
not worthy to have anybody better, that she is
possible to be in the victim cycle. "Now if I
do this, right? He won’t beat me, he won’t
abuse me further but if I don’t do this, say
for example cleaning. If I clean the house the
house looks nice but he doesn’t like that but
I want to clean the house." So she’s in a
quandary, what does she do and she ends up
doing nothing and by becoming inactive, that
gives her too much time to think on trying to
please this person and that’s all she thinks
about is that she's not worthy.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: if she leaves
him and I will put almost money on this if I
had some is his comments will be, “you will
never make it on your own” or words very close
to that.
Russ: no doubt he'll
try to break her down.
Karra: exactly. By
breaking her down, her self-esteem becomes
very low, she becomes reliant upon him and of
pleasing him. If she gets pregnant, the
situation gets worse.
Russ: well we’re just
going to wait-and-see moment-by-moment anyway.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: because right
now is the time where she has to make her own
decisions and those are the ones that will be
the most important for her.
Karra: that’s correct.
From listening when you and Mark were talking
to her, she was opened wide by Mark, she was
peeled like marshmallow with his coercive
ability.
Russ: uh-hmm.
Karra: and he put some
very deep thoughts into her that she’s
thinking about but they will have to be
reactivated from time to
time.
Russ: okay.
Karra: and we will
work on that together as a team.
Russ: excellent.
Karra: now I would
like to add about coercion, now this is open
for either of you to comment on, is what Mark
is doing with his coercion good or bad?
Russ: it’s good.
John: it’s good.
Karra: why?
Russ: because he’s
using it to help someone else.
John: and he’s also
refining his techniques so it’s a duality
there.
Karra: uh-huh exactly.
Russ: he’s not using
it in a selfish manner.
Karra: uh-huh.
John: he’s got good
intentions and he's helping himself and he’s
helping this person.
Karra: exactly, now if
he coerced her to go to bed with him, is that
good or bad?
Russ: bad.
Karra: why?
Russ: selfish motives.
Karra: Johnny?
John: I don’t see it
as being bad if his motives are not selfish.
If it’s more than just a sexual, if there’s
more than just sex to it, I don’t see it as
being bad.
Karra: John, both of
you are correct actually. If it is to make her
feel guilty and to get away from the danger,
the motive it's a very, very tricky area. The
motive has to be of the most purest kind and
if he enjoys it, that is irrelevant.
Russ: well I don’t
know Karra, that’s playing with some serious
gray areas there.
Karra: exactly.
Russ: if he wants to
stay on the third dimension for the next
couple life times, yeah......
Karra: not
necessarily, not necessarily.
Russ: yeah but it’s
such a fine line, I mean we’re not evolved
enough…..
Karra: to make that
call.
Russ: to make the call
or to fine tune our coercion down to that type
of motive.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean there’s
going to be other subtler hints going in there
that’s going to cloud that coercion from the
start. I mean there’s no way we could have
yours or Omal’s type of focused coercion.
Karra: no but it would
be the ultimate test of the coercive ability
of Mark.
Russ: yeah but what if
he fails? It ain't worth the price.
Karra: but what of the
price if he succeeds?
Russ: it’s negligible.
Karra: no it’s not,
it’s a great step forward because it is the
difference between coercion in a negative form
and using negative coercion
in a positive form. Now I’m not really
qualified to answer, to put it into words
properly, Kiri is but I’m not.
Russ: we’ll approach
Kiri with this one I think.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I’m sure she’s
had to deal with this a couple times herself.
Karra: yes I think she
is the right person to answer things on that.
John: what’s your
thoughts on it Karra?
Karra: my thoughts are
that Mark would never do that in the first
place but I had to say it to explain a point
on coercion.
John: okay, because I
don’t see Mark doing that, I think I know the
man pretty well and I can’t see him doing
that.
Karra: the one thing
that really, really impresses me about Mark is
his high moral standards but also there is the
negative side to his high moral standards is
that he lives by or tries to live by his high
moral standards and frequently he makes the
mistake of expecting other people to live by
those high moral standards and when they fail,
he's disgusted.
John: Mark is a man of
honor, there's no doubt about that but no,
he’s got a learn to live with people with
different codes of honor than himself and
myself I mean Russ is a good example.
Karra: yes, Russ has
no code of honor.
Russ: I don’t know,
I’ve got an area code, does that count?
Karra: which one's
that? Is that the 916?
John: 916. 916 yeah,
unlisted.
Karra: I'm just
joking.
Russ: can I use that?
Karra: no 916,
personally I prefer code 69.
Russ: ahh yes, I do
too.
John: yeah, yeah.
Karra: anyway okay,
last questions on the healing before I have to
hop out?
John: oh
really then, you
don’t mind if I go first do you Russ?
Russ: no please, help
yourself.
John: all right, as
far as the planetary healing and the
consciousness of the people on the planet
becoming more aware and the planetary healing,
I see it happening amongst all the corruption
and bullshit that goes on. I do see it
happening, how do you perceive it?
Karra: yes it is
definitely happening, more people are aware of
what is going on. Tia just handed me a little
note in spidery handwriting that looks very
similar to Sirian but not quite, it is just
about legible but what it says….
John: what language is
it in?
Karra: it is in
Sirian, I'm just harassing her.
John: okay.
Karra: but what it
says is that a politician was accused on a TV
performance, a political analyzing program
that he was accused of wanting to pollute the
air and the water and his reply was, “I
breathe that air, I drink that water. Why
would I want to pollute it?” And the person
that was accusing him just talked right over
his statements of, “why would I want to poison
myself, why would I want to poison my children
or my grandchildren?” And this person was a
Republican political person and the other
person was a liberal television announcer. I
can’t read the names too clearly but the fact
that this person was accused of something that
he was…..felt very strongly against, shows
that the people that have always been more
into industry and making money are also aware
of the necessary to heal the planet so that
their life can be improved and made better.
The fact that some people use it to make them
look bad by talking over them and shouting
them down when they try to make these points
is irrelevant. The fact remains that even the
people that have always been looked upon as
money grabbing industrialists are just as
concerned if not more then those that aren’t
politically conservative.
John: would you hand
Tia a little note that says that I strongly
disagree and I will discuss politics with her
later.
Karra: okay.
John: thank you Karra.
Karra: you’re welcome,
Russ?
Russ: yeah, the next
phase in training I think should go to is
self-healing?
Karra: not yet, she’s
not quite ready for that because of the
environment that she’s in.
Russ: okay.
Karra: yes it is a
logical step once she has been healed and has
been put in a situation where she is in
control, where she as she puts it, feels in
control not where she is being controlled.
Russ: okay.
John: can I interact
on that briefly?
Karra: certainly, but
it costs.
John: that’s okay, I
can handle the payment no matter what it is.
Karra: I’m just
joking.
John: but wouldn’t it
be helpful for Russ to put some tools in this
young woman’s mind to help her along the way?
Because for her to get out of this situation,
she needs to start to do some self-healing,
some mental healing.
Karra: yes and no, the
fact is that for her to concentrate on the
mental healing will take energy that is
necessary for other things. Also the fact that
she will heal herself but it will be torn
straight back down again. It is a pointless
exercise to build a wall if it is only can be
knocked down. If you build a wall of sand on
the beach, what happens to the wall of sand?
John: yeah but if you
build a brick wall and it gets knocked down
halfway, doesn’t that give you a better base
to start from again?
Karra: sometimes yes
but in this case no........
John: okay.
Karra: for the simple
reason that those building blocks that would
be left standing would be more of a hindrance
because each case is different. Certainly they
are similar but they're also very different.
Okay thank you.
John: thank you very
much.
Russ: farewell Karra.
(Tia rejoins to answer John's question and then hands off to Omal)
Tia: politics huh?
John: (laughs) she’s
back.
Tia: you want to
discuss it with me? Before we move on to the
next person, why do you feel that way?
Russ: I’m going to
start with some tea.
Tia: okay. Why do you
feel that way Johnny?
John: because in your
group.....
Tia: uh-huh.
John:
you seem to be the political expert and you
seem to be the one who’s the most concerned and
in our channeling last week….
Tia: uh-huh.
John: which was very
lengthy and very intense....
Tia:
yes, uh-huh.
John: Korton
supported you quite wholeheartedly.
Tia: yes and then he
also did tear into me about my emotions.
John: well yes, yes
and that’s……and that……I mean I don’t think you
should take him tearing into your emotions as
an insult.
Tia: no, no I don’t.
John: but I mean
I…..I’m trying to formalize my questions
better and ask the right people the right
questions so we don’t waste time.
Tia: thank you, I
appreciate it.
John: and you do seem
to be the political expert.
Tia: no I wouldn’t say
I am the political expert, Omal certainly has
more knowledge on the matters but I’ve become
more politically aware by studying your earth
politics. It’s something that I can look back
in the history books from my planet or if I
look back into my mind and
remember the history lessons and I see things
happening. Now I know the remedies, I know
what’s going to happen and I know who’s right
and I know who’s wrong and who’s trying to
head in a particular path and it’s sort of
like, “no, no, no, no do it this way, do it
this way otherwise this is going to happen. No
you’ve done it the wrong way.” What do I do
you know? It’s something that gets very
frustrating for me to know that your planet is
heading down a pathway that
my planet headed down and to watch these
symptoms that we now know the cure for. But I
can’t tell you what the cure is and if I do,
nobody’s going to listen anyway so what do I
do? It’s a feeling of hopelessness, it’s like
seeing a child running down a rail line track
and seeing the locomotive coming and you know
that the child is not going to get off the
track and the train’s not going to stop and
it’s going to be a horrible mess, what do you
do? You can’t run down there and stop the
child because by the time you run down there,
the train's already going to be past and gone.
John: now do you
understand the frustration that a lot of us
have?
Tia: oh yes.
John: including me. I
mean it wouldn’t matter how I voted,
I mean the politics I have no say between the
politics between China and the United
States......
Tia: uh-huh.
John: I can’t do
anything to change that.
Tia: and that is
something that I do see that the fact that
you’re not the only person. The fact that
there was only 8% difference right? In the winner and
the second-place person. They talk about a
landslide victory.
John: well no, it
wasn’t really a landslide.
Tia: exactly.
John: and the thing is
too, you’ve got to take into consideration
that only 49% of the population voted.
Tia: uh-huh. That's
about half the
population.
John: out of half the
population, half of them voted for the man
that we’ve got in there in office.
Tia: yeah.
John: so if you take
that 25% of the American population in the
adult voting age, voted for our
president.......
Tia: yeah.
John: president, 25%.
Tia: that is
appalling.
John: that’s only a
quarter of the voting population.
Tia: that is
appalling, it is shocking that it’s got to the
point where people are so indifferent in who
is elected. And also something else that was
very, very surprising that I came across in my
research the other day is that there was a
large number of immigrants sworn in as
citizens and as a rule, about 80% of
immigrants that are sworn in as citizens in
their first election will vote for the
incumbent. Now the fact that this may add up
to less than .001 of a percent is irrelevant
on the number but the fact
is that they were hurried through so that they
could vote at that time for the election. By
presidential decree, hurry them through,
get them so that
they are able to vote. I mean that
strikes me as manipulation, the fact that it
was an insignificant number is besides the
point. It’s the principle and ethnic part…..
John: it’s good
politics is what it is. I mean it’s the way
our political system works.
Tia: uh-huh it works
and as a rule it works reasonably well but the
setup has reached a point where it is so gray
and corrupt that it’s really not decided by
the people anymore. It's decided by the press,
it's decided by
governmental agencies and business factors and
unions.
John: what political
law enforcement group do you have on Hades
Base to control the base? You’ve got to have
some kind of control, some kind of.....what
kind of political law enforcement base do you
use there?
Tia: we don’t, we have
a military defense force which is primarily
for the defense of the base but we don’t have
elections. We don’t elect the leader or the
boss of the base, we
don’t elect leaders of departments,
those people get them on
the merit of how hard they work. The only
people that we elect are for entertainment
such as the ski racing, the track team.
John: so you don’t
have law enforcement officers like we do have
down here?
Tia: no, no,
not needed.
John: they’re not
necessary?
Tia: no, not necessary
at all. If I…..
John: what if a pilot
would get out of hand with drinking too much
and maybe ingesting some flowers or something
and getting out of hand? How’s that dealt
with?
Tia: he is reprimanded
by his commanding officer, it
is dealt with by them. To restrain him, they
would probably jump on him and hold him down
until they could get a restraining device but
as a rule, nobody gets that out of control.
Pilots injuring themselves by going, "yes"
through damaged windows is something that
happens. They get so pumped up with adrenaline
that they increase their own strength but
that’s natural, that happens.
John: and that pilot’s
fine who did that isn’t he?
Tia: oh yes, you can’t
even see the scratches but
the fact is that they police themselves. Yeah,
ingesting too much wine as a rule tends to
make us very silly and bubbly but we don’t get
aggressive. The pilots and the defense force
may get aggressive but they know that they
may have to defend the base at a moment’s
notice so that they don’t get as you might put
it, that blotto.
John: okay, so
essentially what you’re saying is, you police
yourselves.
Tia: yes, uh-huh.
John: very
interesting.
Tia: yes beanpole?
Russ: that's alright.
Tia: okay, let me put
on the next person.
(speaking
to people on the base)
Tia: will
somebody get that bloody rabbit out of here?
That one, that's the only one
in here.
John: my rabbit skin bag?
Russ: no, she’s
talking to up on the base through the
pyramid.....one of the new kid toys for the
kids.
Tia: Kiri, Kiri just
pick it up by the ears okay fine, I’ll take
care of it.
(Omal begins a very
informative discussion on the Photon
Cloud.)
Omal: greetings and
welcome and farewell to the departing person.
(Russ steps out of the room for a bit)
Omal: greetings Johnny.
John: greetings Omal,
how you doing today?
Omar I am doing well
and yourself?
John: I’m doing quite
well.
Omal: that is good.
Okay, let us get down to business and address
the matter at hand. Let me start off with a
brief little speech on how you are doing as
a group. You are
developing along the guided lines that you
have set forth yourselves, the
development of each individual is progressing
on a nice pathway of a spiritual level. It is
important that you learn to work a little bit
more closely together in matters on
a spiritual level, that
each of you have your own
beliefs but yet these beliefs should be able
to work together as a perfect unit. The
understanding of your own personal abilities
is also developing at a nice reasonable pace.
It is not being hurried and therefore errant
and not being analyzed and picked to pieces so
therefore it is not slow. It is arriving at
the point that you yourselves as I said before
have been predetermined. Okay, questions
please.
John: what can we do
to bring us together closer as a group?
Omal: maybe sit down
and eat together instead of Russ going
upstairs, Mark sitting at the computer, you
coming down here. Actually sit together, maybe
ingest some wine, plan a dessert and actually
sit down and relax and
unwind at dinner. Talk about what’s on your
minds. Eat together, remove the distractions
of felines and radios and computers and talk
together. Tell funny stories, jokes instead of
eating in separate parts of the house. Maybe
once a week or once every other week this will
bring you closer together.
John: all right, thank
you.
Russ: Omal correct?
John: correct.
Omal: yes, I hope so.
Russ: just checking.
Now you and Tia are not allowed to give us the
answers of what would save our planet from the
problems that happened on Durondedunn and
Sirius I assume as she said.
Omal: I think it is
more of a restraint that Tia has on herself
about what happened on Durondedunn is
happening on your planet and she restrains
herself which is wise. Yes we do have a
non-interference pact but as Tia pointed out,
if you said what the answers and remedies are,
nobody would listen.
Russ: true and you
have given a few clues here and there.
Omal: yes, I’m a
little bit harsher and because I am base
commander I do have to follow the rules and
set the example.
Russ: right. Now when
you mention working together closer here as a
group......
Omal:
uh-huh.
Russ: that
could exponentially mean also working together
closer as a race?
Omal: that is your own
analogy and assumption. It is something that I
really can’t confirm or deny at this time.
Russ: okay,
John?
John: question threw
me.
Russ: oh sorry.
John: I had a train of
thought and......
Russ: okay, well onto
that next phase then, the photon belt.
Omal: ahh, yes.
Russ: currently
there is a lot of information
that’s on the web that is pretty
misleading and most of it false.
Omal: uh-hmm.
Russ: what I'd like to
do is focus a little bit on that so I could
perhaps get that on the web as soon as
possible.
Omal: okay.
Russ: just as being as
we entered into it, now I'd like to get
the information going.
John: can I interject briefly
please?
Omal: certainly.
John: alright, there's an
awful lot of questions
and curiosity about the photon belt,
there's
an awful lot of misinformation out
there....
Omal:
oh yes, most certainly there is.
John:
and there's an awful lot
of people who are really,
really curious about this
so it is important
that we get this
information out there
and get correct
information out there.
Omal: that
is correct.
John:
thank you.
Omal:
continue
Russ.
Russ:
well
what I would like then basically
is a
dissertation that I can put on the
web.
Omal:
hmmm, okay.
(we
all laugh)
Russ:
not to put you on the spot
or anything.
Omal:
maestro
music please, spotlight.
Okay, let me
manifest my
cane and my
hat. Okay, I'm
putting
on the
top hat,
I'm putting on
the
Ritz.
(we
chuckle)
Omal:
okay,
now let me be
serious
after this
little bit of
humor.
Russ:
okay.
Omal: okay, now what
is the photon belt? Well, it is an energy
field that will gradually and slowly surround
your planet. At first......thank
you Kiri.....Kiri
says that there is information
already
on the Internet that
both her and Tia downloaded into Mark's
computer that was used last night to start the
channeling session.
(when they had control of
his body)
Russ: right.
Omal:
that itself should be taken and used....
Russ: okay.
Omal:
at the beginning of the
dissertation.
Russ: okay.
Omal:
okay now let us look closely
at the photon energy field itself. The idea
that it is a belt that will surround your
planet is a misnomer. It is more of a cloud
and like clouds, you get gaps
and dense areas and thin areas that are not as
strong as other areas. At first you will go
through the almost nebulous part of the photon
cloud that will have a little effect to start
off with. People will be aware of the feeling
that something is happening, that is true.
What also is occurring is that the
spirituality of people is becoming more aware.
They are developing their abilities, their
vibrational levels are being brought up
gradually bit by bit by the energy inflow from
the photon cloud. The fact that it will
surround your planet almost like a belt is
understandable but it would be a misnomer to
call it a photon belt. It would be better to
call it a photon pocket, because you will be
within the cloud as a spherical crystal is
within the pocket. But what is occurring on a
spiritual level is as I said at first people
will feel that there is something happening, I
believe Kiri called it a building feeling,
like something is building withinside them.
And at times you will be outside the energy
cloud as it is at the moment just a thin,
wispy leading edge of the photon cloud. Later,
as you penetrate deeper and I believe that
will happen around about 2014, you will feel
more in contact with what has gone before and
the possibilities of what is to come. With the
development of the abilities, there will be
unfortunately a
start of
polarizing between those
that are spiritually aware, those that think
they're spiritually aware and those that are
not. All three groups will be poles apart. If
it was possible to have three poles, that is
what would occur. Individuals that feel they
are aware spiritually but are not will present
the biggest problem. They will be in the
majority but they will also be the people that
will spread lies and dissent and push the two
groups that could work together further apart.
There are examples of these individuals that
occur frequently in daily life, I have
received reports about some of them. What
occurs is they use whatever media they can,
whether it is in your papers, in your
entertainment devices that they will push
people away and cause problems. Some of them
in a very odd turn of fate will try to claim
that they have abilities and that individuals
that really do, don’t. But what they actually
do is themselves a disservice by saying they
have all these abilities and that somebody
doesn’t, they will actually push the people
away from them towards the people that really
do that they claim do
not. I think this should be enough for you to
start off with....
Russ:
okay.
Omal: or
do you wish more?
Russ: no I’d like to
address now some of the more fantastical aspects of what's
been out there.
Omal: okay, five days
of darkness? Nope. Ice age? Nope. Let me
see…volcanic activity increase? Nope. No definitely
not an increase in earthquake
activity although it might be entertaining to
buy some beach front property and sell it to
those people that believe so. No, that won't
happen either Russ.
Okay.....oh sorry, I didn't
mean to do that.
Russ: that's alright.
Omal: the
pole shift, no that is not contributed to it.
Okay let us hear the rest of
yours before I start going,
"no, that's impossible, no....."
SIDE
ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(With little
missing between side changes, the questions
continue)
Russ: our space
time......oh, "space
and time will be altered and our system
will be possibly hurled into a higher
dimension."
Omal: sorry, I
find that very unlikely. Next one.
Russ: okay, "all
energy on earth, batteries and
electrical will all be reduced to
nothing, null
and void and we will now have to learn how to use
photon energy instead."
Omal: that one
does actually have a ring of truth in
it.
Russ: really?
Omal: yes but the
fact that the energy will be drained is
wrong. Photon energy will be learned how
to be used and harnessed but this will
be used in an odd sort of way. Cold
fusion in the next twenty to thirty
years will become a reality. With cold
fusion comes the ability to create an
inexhaustible supply of energy, in turn you will be
able to create artificial photons.
Russ: hmm okay. "It
will last two thousand years."
Omal: that is
close to the truth as well.
Russ: okay.
Omal: maybe it was just a
extra zero put on there.
Russ: oh. "It will effect us
in our gravitational fields."
Omal: no.
Russ: "all of
our molecules and atoms will get
excited."
Omal: yes but in
a odd sort of way. The feeling of
building, molecules and atoms not as
such but certainly molecules and atoms
within individual's spiritual fields will get
excited.
Russ: okay so it
will alter consciousness?
Omal: I believe
that is a yes but it is not the
consciousness of the mind that they're
talking about, it is the consciousness
of the inner self. Those as I stated
that do have abilities will be more
consciously aware.
Russ: oh okay. Alright and the one you read my mind on, "the intergalactic
federation has put ships in position to
lessen the effect and fix the ozone
holes within the first hours of
entering?"
John: (laughs)
Omal: my sentiments exactly.
Russ:
it's on the web, I've got to
put it out here okay?
Omal:
my
sentiments
exactly
Johnny.
John:
I'm sorry,
I'm sorry,
I couldn't
help myself.
Russ: alright. Okay, "increased
solar flares."
Omal: yes but
that is not due to the photon cloud.
Russ: okay.
Russ: that
is just a normal, natural cycle.
Russ: alrighty,
"temperature changes
are......"
Omal: again that
is a normal natural cycle of your
planet.
Russ: okay. Now what I want
to go on to the physical aspects that
are present that are being felt....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? On a personal note
and that is the
fact of a feeling of pressure building,
sort of like a atmospheric pressure
almost in the mornings, an increase in
astral travel ability, increased coercive faculties........
Omal: an
increase in gifts as Tia and Kiri
put it last night.
Russ: right and
personal life changes.
Omal: personal life
changes cannot be attributed to the
photon cloud.
Russ: okay. Now then, can we
determine what part of the day we are
experiencing the photon particles within
as we go through them?
Omal: yes, you
will feel the difference at particular
junctures of the day. As your planet
passes or the photon cloud
passes over you,
it will depend if it is passing on the
left side or the right side of your
planet, the light or the dark side, to
the north, to the south, to the East, to
the West. You will feel it as it flows
over you.
Russ: and it
would be, let's say once
every twenty four hours then?
Omal: sometimes
more, sometimes less to start off with.
Russ: okay.
Omal: the
closer you get to actually entering the
cloud, the more often the occurrences
will be. It is like watching an aircraft
flying into a cloud, sometimes you see
it because there is a hole in the cloud,
sometimes you don’t.
Russ: hmm okay.
So, we'll be fully
into it by 2014?
Omal: correct.
Russ: so we’ll
be approximately halfway through it about 2005?
Omal: halfway
towards full immersion, yes.
Russ: yes okay.
Now will this have
anything to do with the predictions,
Tia's predictions,
will this have a
visible effect upon what's going to be
going on?
Omal: it is
really hard to say exactly
how the majority of the people
are going to be affected by this photon
cloud. The last time it had passed,
there was already the occurrence of
great disarray before the energy field
arrived. In some parts of your planet
when it came, those disruptions were
lessened and in other parts it was
intensified so it is
really hard to say how it will effect
the majority of the people. Some of the
people will react in different ways.
Some will act in fear, some will act out
of surprise, some will act out of shock.
It will be all different reactions. It
is really hard to say exactly what will
happen. It is one of those factors that
we try to plan for but we cannot fully
predict.
Russ: okay. Now I’ve heard two
reports on our passage of our earth
through the cloud,
one is 24,000 years
and one is 12,000 years. The 12,000 due to the fact that it
takes....what is it? I
think we go
through it twice every 24,000 years so
it's every 12,000 years, which is the actual
number?
Omal: neither
actually.
Russ: oh, well
this
will be good for the net.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ:
what is the actual
number then?
Omal:
okay, you go
through approximately every 36,000
years.
Russ: ahh, well that makes
a difference.
Omal: if you add
the two numbers together, what do you
get?
Russ: right, 36,000 yes. Now
at the point of Earth’s history that it
went through last time were at the waning days of
Atlantis....
Omal: correct.
Russ: so that
situation was already on the way out
anyway.....
Omal: correct.
Russ: and the
cloud merely polarized the various
parties involved......
Omal: correct.
Russ: leading to
its final goodnight kiss.
Omal: that is an
odd way of putting it but yes.
Russ: yeah well it just comes out
once in a while like that. Alrighty, now
there is a channeling that says that it
will stabilize our weather patterns?
Omal: again it
is one of those factors that we really
do lack information on. Certain
personnel that visit the base have more
information than I have at my hands. I
am more concerned with what is going on
on your planet. The last time I watched
with anxiety as these events occurred.
It was not the first time that I have
witnessed these events when they
occurred in the waning days of Atlantis. When it happened
the first time that I witnessed it, it
was not so as intense so this time I
watch things with trepidation wondering
if it will be a repeat performance of
Atlantis or the earlier visitation. It
is really hard for me to say. So
watching and waiting is all that we can really
do at this time unless higher personnel
wish to let us know exactly what is
going on.
Russ: okay. John,
do you want to interject
anything just yet?
John: yeah.
Russ: go ahead.
John: I’d like to
get into more of the physics of this
photon cloud or patch, it is something
that our planet and solar system passes
through?
Omal: yes, it is
not a visible cloud. It is an energy
cloud that is made up of various
photonic particles that react to each
other in an agitated state creating an
enhanced energy field which, if you were
to condense it into a visible form,
would appear like a shimmering mist that that you can
see through. The way that it works is
that each photon is bouncing off of each
other photon which is creating energy
bursts that can be felt.
Russ: uh-hmm.
John: does our
galaxy through its travels pass through
it or is it
part of our galaxy that our solar system
passes through.
Omal: it’s part
of your galaxy. If it was something that
your galaxy passes through it would be a
once only until the contraction occurs
and then it would pass through it again.
But the fact remains that it is part of
your galaxy in its rotational pathway.
John: and in a
rotation through our
galaxy, the
solar system passes
through this photon cloud about every 36,000
years?
Omal: pretty much so. It is not exactly
36,000 years.
John:
right, well I used the correct term, I
said about.
Omal:
correct. It varies in
difference between 500
to a 100 years.
John: does
the size of the cloud vary?
Omal: yes it
does, it is the same cloud that was
passed through but
because of the rotation of your galaxy,
it increases and decreases with certain
cycles generated in the heart of your
galaxy. These circumstances which
increase and decrease the size vary
wildly with energy pulses from such
things as pulsars, quasars and super
novas and also
black holes. The more energy that is
given off by these objects that interact
with a black hole of a interesting size
depends on the size of the photon cloud.
John: does it
affect.....I mean I realize it affects the whole solar system,
does it affect the other
planets as much as it affects Earth?
Omal: it depends
on the gravitational field and also the
organic matter upon those planets.
John: is there
life, other life
in the solar system besides the planet
Earth?
Omal: I really
can’t answer that at this time.
John: I didn’t
think so, I thought I'd ask.
Omal: it was
worth a try was it not? Okay, last
questions please.
Russ: okay, was
the first time that you witnessed this
Lemuria?
Omal: no it was
after actually, if
you do the mathematics you will see
where and when it was.
Russ: okay.
Omal: Johnny?
John: yeah
back to the photon belt and our
solar system passing through this, I
would assume and let me know if I'm
correct that other solar systems and
other galaxies experience very similar things?
Omal: yes, they
do, they do. Sirius for example will be
entering it in approximately or reaching
your stage in approximately
thirty
to fifty years. Alpha Centari, shortly
before that. Other galaxies we really
can’t give you that much information on
as they are outside our sphere of
influence but I
would assume so from research
expeditions that have spent an enormous
amount of time and energy traveling from
one galaxy to another and returning possibly have
information that similar events do occur
in those galaxies. You have to remember
that the nearest neighboring galaxy is
two million light years away. Thank you.
John: thank you
very much.
Russ: thank you Omal, very
informative.
(Tia ushers on the next speaker)
John: is that the Kiri monster?
Russ: no that’s Tia.
John: tea time?
Tia: I think so.
John: alrighty then.
Russ: she's doing a Marcel
Marceau impersonation.
John: (chuckles)
you want some tea Russ?
Russ: yeah.
Tia:
okay I shall
put on the next person.
Russ: okay.
Tia: (speaking to Kiri) Okay
yeah, you sure? Can you
keep that bloody thing out, please? What do you mean
you can’t catch it? Huh!
John: that was a fascinating
little conversation with Omal.
Russ: uh-huh.
John: you didn’t mind me touching on
the physics of it did you?
Russ: uh-uh.
John: I think it helped clarify the
whole thing.
Russ: quite well I think.
John: yeah.
(Kiri wraps up the
session in her own unique way)
Kiri: oh dear, dear, dear, dear. Oh
dear, dear, dear, dear.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yeah, hello. We need to go and
awake up……..Tia’s gone to wake up Diana.
(one
of the Cubs)
Russ: get her rabbit out of the house?
Kiri: uh-huh because Tia caught it,
held onto it, handed it to me right? And
it went limp because it was in restraints. I put it
down and off it goes. The other option is that we
just let it bounce around all night until the
battery runs down. The only person that can switch
it off is….
Russ: Diana.
Kiri: exactly.
John: so it’s a mechanical rabbit?
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: that you cannot shut off?
Kiri: exactly.
John: kind of like the Energizer Bunny
that we have in our television
commercials?
Kiri: yes.
John: it's very similar?
Kiri: yes, this one will keep going
for about 12 hours non-stop.
Russ: have a little drum on this thing
going bang, bang, bang, bang.
Kiri: I’ll make one for you dear.
Russ: thank you, that will be very
wonderful.
(Ed. note: I would live to regret these words)
Kiri: uh-huh and
of course because it will only be moving slowly, the
battery will last I should say continuous use.......
(lots of
laughter ensues)
Russ: just set it off, put it in the
room and make it so that only I can turn it off,
Karra would kill it. She'll take a baseball bat and
she’ll just literally take it to its finest
particles.
Kiri: I can make it go continuously
without stopping……..if I put a little bit
of a brain in there, I can have it work
out a particular path that would……..I can have it
going for a year and a half without needing
a recharge, is that which you want?
Russ: that’s it, a
year and a half.
John: a year
and a half, oh man.
Kiri: you want it to stop every so
often and go with the drumsticks and then off again?
Russ: there you go.
Kiri: cool, I can do that.
Russ: it will last all of an hour when
the novelty wears off and Karra just throws it in
somebody’s pool.
Kiri: I’ll make it waterproof. Do you
want me to make it out of the same substance that I
made the rabbits here out of?
Russ: yeah sure.
Kiri: okay.
John: yeah put a little pair of
goggles on it too just in case.
Russ: she'll stick it out on Wookie
Mountain, out in the snow.
Kiri: I made the ones here, I dropped
weights of approximately one of your tons on it from
about 50 feet repeatedly to test the strength.
John: yeah?
Kiri: all three of them have been
through that test and all three of them survived
with flying colors, not even a structural tweak
apart from one has a slightly tweaked ear but that
was because the sensor picked up a indentation in
the weight and read it as being deeper than it was
but that’s only the sensor in the ear.
John: what material is
this made out of?
Kiri: it’s made out of a mixture of a
Duridium and I can’t tell you the rest.
John: boy you guys are
right on top of it, I think I could just slide one
of these questions in but my friend took this
photograph and there’s been a lot of conversation
about it and she really believes it’s Ashtar ships
in those clouds. Now to me it looks like a very
interesting cloud formation but she did ask me to
ask you.
Kiri: it’s a thundercloud.
John: yeah. Is there…?
Kiri: it's cumulus and cirronimbus.
John: yeah, is there any ships
associated with that photograph whatsoever that you
can see through Mark’s eyes?
Kiri: I think we can do
better than that.
Russ: asking Omal.
John: yeah I didn’t want to…..
Kiri: yes, a very little one.
John: there is a small spaceship?
Kiri: yes, but it’s not in the cloud.
John: but there is a small spaceship
in that photograph?
Kiri: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: can you see it or is it hidden
by the clouds?
Kiri: it’s actually a rock that
shouldn’t be there. I can’t see it, I can see it on
the monitor.
Russ: it's a ship?
John: but the ship is associated more
with the rocks there?
Kiri: it's, it’s down low
here. The clouds were removed by the computer,
that’s why I was moving it was to get it into the
best point that I could get a good view at it for
the monitor and it stripped away all the clouds and
analyzed everything and yes, there is a ship in that
picture.
John: all right.
Kiri: it’s just a matter of it being
located and stripping away the clouds and everything
which is what we had to do was we had to
look for a error in the picture. So you can tell
your friend…...
John: yes, there is a spaceship in
this picture.
Russ: but it’s not in the clouds.
John: that is confirmed.
Kiri: yeah but as I was about to say,
don’t tell if it’s in the clouds or not. You can
tell her it’s in the clouds because yes, it is close
to the clouds. They're probably was in
the clouds.......
John: okay.
Kiri: at one point.
John: but this….
Kiri: don’t want to break her heart
too much.
John: no I don’t but the spaceship and
this particular cloud formation which is quite
natural….
Kiri: yeah.
John: has no correlation directly?
Kiri: no.
John: all right…..that clarifies it
for me.
Kiri: it might have made it more
denser as it passed through but that’s about all.
John: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. But it certainly does
look like some UFO pictures that I’ve seen.
John: can you tell me where the
spaceship in this photograph is from?
Kiri: it’s hard to say to identify it.
It could be one of ours, it could be somebody
else’s.
John: okay, because there’s a lot of
people that really want to believe that it’s one of
yours.
Kiri: tell
them……tell them that we could neither confirm nor
deny that it might be one of ours.
John: okay.
Kiri: that way it’s open to conjecture
and it will keep the majority of them happy because
they will reason thus, "because they can neither
confirm nor deny it, it is more than likely one of
theirs."
John: that’s true.
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: that’s how I would rationalize
it but….
Kiri: yeah.
John: that’s me, I’m a unique
individual.
Kiri: yeah but I cannot confirm that
it is one of ours because it is too small to tell.
John: okay.
Kiri: the quality and the imagery, we
couldn't it enhance it to get a definite
identification. Now if the pilot was looking down
and going……then I would say it was one of
ours without a shadow of a doubt.
John: okay you gave me a lot more
information than I thought you would so
I’m…
Kiri: it’s worth a try isn’t it?
John: well yeah and you can’t blame me
for trying, I mean isn't that why we’re here?
Kiri: exactly.
John: is for an exchange of
information?
Kiri: exactly, that is why you are
here.
Kiri: that’s a big yawn.
Russ: (yawns) how are you?
Kiri: I’m doing fine.
Russ: good.
Kiri: you want to
give that young lady a call now and Johnny and
myself will continue discussing the picture?
Russ: I have a question real quick.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: did the photon belt go through
Sirius prior to its ascension?
Kiri: yes, that would be self-evident
would it not?
Russ: not really. It might’ve been a
natural ecological change before it went through but
the photon belt would make more
sense as to the general shift in consciousness and
everything that happened.
Kiri: I think it happened a couple of
times. Well I’m pretty sure that there are four
recorded occurrences before the ascension but that
doesn’t mean to say that four is the number because
that would mean that you would have number 36,000 to
go before your planet......
John: and Omal confirmed three.
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: for us so we’d be going through
our fourth one.
Russ: no, he confirmed two and we're
going through our third one that he knows of.
Kiri: yeah, exactly.
John: yeah you’re right, that is the
answer.
Russ: but if it goes through every
36,000 years…..
John: now since you’re an engineer and
it’s nothing critical against Russ but I’m real
curious about the physics of this okay? And he put
it as the photon belt passing through Sirius. Now in
reality, isn’t Sirius and the Sirian solar system
passing through this belt? I mean which
is more correct?
Kiri: it’s both actually, what’s
actually occurring is that you have Sirius coming
towards it right? And as the cloud……
John: and the cloud is in motion also.......
Kiri: yes.
John: so both things are in motion?
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: okay so the same thing would
apply with earth and our passing through
the photon belt?
Kiri: correct.
John: the belt is
in motion or the patch or cloud which Omal preferred
to use okay? We'll use patch, the photon
patch and the solar system…..our solar system….
Kiri: are both in motion.
John: are both in motion.
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: now well since you’re on Hades
Base….
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: okay? And you’re in our solar
system and you’ll also be passing through the belt….
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: isn't it going to affect Hades
Base at all?
Kiri: no, no because the base is in
the fifth dimension. Now we’ve explained
the fifth dimension many times.
John: yeah, yeah.
Kiri: and…...
John: I think it’s a good question
though.
Kiri: yeah, yeah. But because…..
John: a lot of people would be curious
about it.
Kiri: because of the physics of the
fifth dimension, the distance becomes a little
tricky and irrelevant. The fact that the photon belt
could pass twice in one week and then not pass again
for another many, many thousand years is one of
those things.
John: okay so on third dimensional Earth
and even though you’re in the same solar system in
the fifth dimension….
Kiri: uh-huh.
John: the effects of the photon belt
on the third dimension are profound, the effects of
the photon belt in the fifth dimension are
negligible.
Kiri: no, they are noticeable, they
are noticeable but because of the physics, it is not
as intense due to the fact that as we’ve explained
in the past that sometimes the quickest way to get
to the other side of the room is to actually go
outside and come in through a totally different
door. The way it works because of that is that the
photon cloud at times can be stretched out so thin
that it’s not noticeable but other times it may be
stretched so intense that its actual visitation will
only be a matter of a day, two days and then it’s
gone again a year or 10 years or 30,000 years or
50,000 years.
John: so in the fifth dimension you
don’t have the same pattern that we experience in
third dimension?
Kiri: correct, that’s because……
John: it’s about a 36,000 year pattern
roughly.
Kiri: on your dimension yes but
because of the way that the fifth dimensional works,
it is impossible for it to actually do that. It is
so wild and jumpy that it’s real hard to define.
John: now let’s discuss if any the
negative, negative aspects of the photon belt. Are
there any negative implications?
Kiri: yes there are, yes there are.
The fact is that certain individuals will react as
Omal put it out of fear right? Which in itself fear
is a negative emotion. They will do things from
fear, hurt people from fear, do many different nasty
things through fear. Now the interesting thing is
that the photon belt will have affect on channeling
sessions. Most of them will be positive events, much
better focusing and controlling because of the
heightened awareness of the host body and you guys.
John: okay.
Kiri: you notice that at the moment
you’re thinking very clearly, asking some wonderful
questions and analyzing and extrapolating the
information very, very well. This is A, due to the
fact that.....Mark has cut his finger at some
point……is due to the fact that the photon belt is
leaving you much clearer and much freer with the
vocal communication. It is also bringing up your
spiritual vibration. At the moment you’re in a clear
patch so there is no effect on this part of your
planet from the photon belt. So that obviously a
positive effect has occurred which is that you are
thinking very deeply and clearly and following
through instead of with some of the question that
you’ve asked in the past that…..how did he do that?
That he’s asked in the past have been a little bit
open ended if you know what I mean.
John: yeah.
Kiri: we’re dealing of a technical
nature and you’re asking very detailed, technical
questions that keep things in a very deep flowing
way whereas sometimes you will ask one question and
move on to the next subject. Tonight for each
person, you have dealt with their fields and you
have asked wonderful questions. Yes, we’re
quite happy with the way that the photon belt is
affecting you guys.
Russ: question coercion wise.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, practicing coercion on
Mark a couple nights ago and……
Kiri: that was cheating.
Russ: (blows
a raspberry) I’ll take it
anyway I can get it sweetheart.
Kiri: you know that he can beat you
hands down whenever he wants.
Russ: well luckily I got first. Okay
now then just for practice though, when working on
it, I felt a more increased pressure on
my head, almost like of vice a little bit.........
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: when I was working it and it
felt like I was increasing the channels that I use
in that coercive mode…..
Kiri: no you’re actually focusing
them.
Russ: oh I am?
Kiri: yeah, you’re focusing them and
it’s kind of a feeling that everything on the inside
has been tucked into that focus but there is a word
of warning.......
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: right? Don’t trigger Mark's
self-defense mechanism when you do that.
Russ: probably won't have to worry
about that ever in my entire life so it's not a....
Kiri: yeah I was about to say, don’t
trigger his hostile mode when he’s concentrating
elsewhere and you try to coerce him when he's not
paying attention because I mean you'll see his head
just snap around so fast and just……..the eyes are
the thing to watch.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: because
it will feel like you’re looking into dark, deep
pools, I can do that really well,
no
I’m not going to do it. I’m tempted though just as a
demonstration.
John: behave yourself would you
please?
Kiri: I will endeavor to do so. But,
answering a question that……..answering a question
that was asked earlier, thank you Tia, that was
asked earlier concerning the positive and negative
ramifications of somebody using their coercive
ability to coerce somebody into their bedchamber.
Russ: oh yes, that’s right.
Kiri: uh-huh, now what is your
question on that?
Russ: well, for example, we were
discussing how that would be a turning point in a
coercer’s life.
Kiri: okay, this is how I handled it
right? Was that the young lady had a problem right?
An addiction to flowers and it was being a
destructive influence on her life.
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: right? I needed some way to
replace that addiction with another addiction that
was less harmful and I’ve tried different ways.
Finally I was somewhat distracted one evening and
she was intoxicated with flowers and it was a
psychosomatic addiction, it
wasn’t a physical need, it was a psychological need
that she had due to the fact that A, she was new to
the sixth dimension and she was just
learning her way and B, due to the fact that to
achieve that ascension she had gone through
a very tough experience in her previous life so she
was still living out the tail end of her past life
as well as living a new life so what I did was,
basically I deflowered her in both ways.
John: was she a virgin?
Russ: (sighs) oh God.
Kiri: to woman yes.
John: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. And she was very
intoxicated one night and she was over visiting
myself and a couple of college roommates and she was
dancing on the table right? And I got her to strip
which she had done before right? But instead of
going down as far as her panties she went
all the way right? She then hopped into my
lap…..well planned and manipulated on my part…..she
is a very nice young lady. I carried her into my
room and I put her to sleep. I continued partying
and later I went to bed, curled up next to her and
she woke up and the probe had been put in
deep enough that she woke up with a craving for
something other than flowers because she was eating
flowers almost continuously. She was
eating about a quarter of what she physically needed
and making up the rest with the
nutrients from the flower plus getting absolutely
hammered which means she was eating a lot of them. And
she woke up with this incredible craving right? And
I happened to be dozing at that point right? And she
gave me a kiss and I did what I thought was best
right? She got very addicted to me personally which
I managed to wean her off of me.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: and she’s a well-adjusted young
lady, she has a happy family, she’s not as bisexual
as you would think after spending a long period of
time in my chambers. So using somebody’s coercive
ability to put somebody in a place where it benefits
them as well as yourself in a way like
me replacing sex…..replacing the flowers with sex.
It wasn’t as harmful so therefore it was easier to
make it better.
Russ: hmm okay, so it wasn’t selfish,
maybe partially a little bit but….
Kiri: it was very enjoyable, I desired
her. I really wanted her but I also knew the fact
that if I coerced her just to sleep
with me right? Then that wouldn't serve any purpose.
I just wanted her for a one night fling, the fact
that it turned into close to a year relationship and
that I put her back together mentally was besides
the point. Well, the one night stand was besides the
point, the fact that it turned into a full-blown
long relationship was what was necessary.
John: now on this dimension,
with a man coercing a woman, a young woman okay? Is
that…is that abuse of power?
Kiri: yes if there is
no helpful intent, if it is just for satisfaction to
dominate that individual. For example,
getting back to the young lady, if Mark coerced her
just because he desired her, that would be negative
but if he coerced her to plant
a thought of that she no longer desired the person
that is abusing her and that she needs to find an
excuse that she’s been unfaithful and she wants to
leave him because she’s been unfaithful, then that
is positive in an odd sort of way because she’s been
taken out of the abusive situation and set
up…..even though it was only a one night stand…..has
been set up to be free.
John: okay, now from a coercer’s
standpoint okay? Aren’t there ramifications as far
as....…as far as using your coercive
power and getting this person in bed even though if
your intentions are good, isn’t there a yin and a
yang where it’s going to affect both people, both
the coercer and the person who is being
coerced?
Kiri: yes there is, there is and this
is the tricky part right? The coercer can be put in
the situation where he is tempted or she is tempted
to continue the relationship even though it’s not
necessary anymore and basically what is happening at
that point is that one badness has been replaced by
another one. It has to be a one night stand only in
that situation to be able to plant the seed for the
seed to germinate. But, if the person ignores the
other partner, then it becomes at that point
negative again so it has to be done very, very
carefully, there has to be that mutual respect. A
good example actually of mutual respect is.........
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