The Two-Way Mirror of Happiness- Channeled (9/28/99)

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Archivist Notes: The podcast for February was originally to be titled "Struggles" from a suggestion offered by Treebeard during the channeling session but it was vetoed by Karra who instead provided the title you see above. The theme right from the start was all about happiness throughout most of the speakers giving us the last leg of the podcast focused on guides courtesy of Kiri, a bit off topic unless you count the reader's guides who will be happy to hear they are being discussed. With an overview of our planet from a dimension we will one day be a part of, the perspectives given of how they can help with our happiness come from knowing us and the lives we live. To that end we start with being happy with who you are from Kiri followed by what to do with that happiness once you have it by Omal and then keeping that happiness with the third and fourth speakers of the night, Treebeard and Karra respectively. Happiness is either one of the easiest conditions to stay in all the time or impossible to achieve except without the greatest of struggles. Achieving the former can be done with a change of perspectives but dealing with the second was handled by Omal in his answer regarding the pits of despair. As an added bonus, we once again get to hear the real voice of Mark as he returns from a channeling session ended a few minutes early.

   As mentioned, Kiri ended the session but she also started the session as ring mistress so it is she who gets the train started towards happiness central. Kiri begins her topic with defining certain types of happiness she is talking about with happiness in what you do and who you are as the goals to achieve as well as spiritual happiness. Getting to total happiness is where Kiri leads the conversation and the path she takes us down is being completely happy with self. She uses various celebrities as the ideals that society has chosen to emulate but is adamant that a person has to find their own ideal role model to followbeing themselves. She wraps her first time on the tape explaining how struggles are an important part of the human condition as long as it is not in struggling to be yourself. That brings up Omal who runs with the same topic as Kiri and expands on the effects of the happiness once achieved. His method to happiness begins with going within to find contentment in your reflection and then use that to change your body and life to be a mirror of that happiness to others. That is reflected back to you which spreads out over and over with each new person you meet. The path to happiness he references also takes in finding what it is that makes you happy. He answers questions before he leaves and in doing so corrects the impression that you have to know hardship to appreciate happiness. He makes way for Treebeard who takes up the rest of the side primarily on the struggles of life and finding happiness at all times despite them. He ends with giving us one of the keys to happiness which is of being needed.

   Side two of the channeling session has Karra taking on the subject of users who try to take your happiness away as they pursue theirs. On this night the room where the channeling took place was larger than normal so while everyone was a bit further from the mic, the low volume being recorded was reduced even more by Karra's already low tones in speaking. Her discussion this night was in relation to the fact we had recently been given a lesson in how people could use others to achieve their ends without regard for those being used. Low volume or not, her advice about users can be applied in anyone's life where they feel taken advantage of by another. One humorous side note was on those same users when they try to use an unprotected pentagram for purposes not of the light. She ends by pointing out the good being done in trying to help someone until the realization comes that they are out for themselves. A very rushed Tia comes in to alert us that a possible increase in the defcon level or levels that they had set that would increase with an increase in troubling world events. Between the earthquakes, rioting, stock market slide and mass shootings, there wasn't much more needed to start stocking up more food supplies. It would seem the meeting of the Council of Twelve she was about to attend decided against the change in levels. Kiri lets Tia get off to the meeting and uses all but the last few minutes to advance our understanding of the unseen guides who offer advice to our consciousness throughout our lives. The roles guides play in our lives is a mysterious thing for those being guided but Kiri's spur of the moment class on the subject cleared up a lot of the mystery considerably. We learn when guides act, how guides act and why guides act. The biggest revelation that was already fairly self-evident was her confirmation that death is merely life without a body. The session ends with her report on news around the base including the fact because Lyka's baby was born without abilities but that wouldn't lead to any kind of ostracization in a civilization where most of those would have them. In fact she assured us just the opposite would happen. The session over, she departs but the tape runs long enough for Mark to get back into his body and get in one sentence.

KIRI Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


2.)(12:07)- Omal explains how to be happy with yourself, what happens when you find that happiness and how to find your way out from the pits of despair.

3.)(31:00)- Treebeard talks about being happy with your current situation and the struggles life throws at you to achieve the growth the struggles are meant to bring.


2.)(10:59)- Tia warns us that she may be releasing a communiqué about the rise in global events that could curtail the happiness of billions if they were to increase in severity.

3.)(19:19)- Kiri gives a very complete dissertation on guides for everyone that do so while in between lives getting ready for their next incarnation. We also learn that each of us do a stint as a guide after we leave this life.

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(Kiri gets the night off on topic)

Kiri: yo.

Russ: hey, what’s up Kiri?

Skip: hi sweetie.

Kiri: yo, yo, yo, yo. Well, it’s been what, a month?

Skip: at least.

Russ: no it hasn’t……

Kiri: about three weeks.

Russ: two weeks.

Skip: no.

Kiri: no.

Skip: three weeks.

Russ: three weeks, that’s right.

Skip: it’s been at least three weeks yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, how’s everybody going?

Russ: we just talked about that as a matter of fact. I forgot to print mine up tonight and his is……has not been worked on.

Kiri: ahhh.

Russ: but I’ve got some URL's for him to give him tomorrow to make it work very quickly.

Kiri: so let me guess, you are requesting….

Skip: an extension.

Kiri: an extension.

(Skip starts laughing)

Russ: well it's either that or I go off now and go print it up.

Kiri: that won't do.

Skip: well I have a problem darling……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: a romantic problem, I got married.

Kiri: congratulations.

Skip: well thank you.

Kiri: where’s my cigar?

Skip: I ain’t having a baby, I just got married.

(now we both started laughing)

Kiri: now I’m confused.

Russ: Earth customs, you don’t have cigars at weddings. What do you have for weddings?

Skip: huh?

Russ: what do you have for weddings? You don’t have cigars, what do you have?

Skip: no, nothing.

Kiri: lots of booze.

Skip: everybody brings something.

Russ: flowers.

Kiri: flowers yes, flowers, flowers, flowers, pink flowers.

Russ: there you go.

Kiri: wrong season.

Skip: anyhow, darling I’ve been goofing off to tell you the truth okay?

Kiri: okay.

Skip: I’m sorry, I have.

Kiri: I understand, family life is much more important than real.

Skip: I’ve been working my bottom off and I just completely spaced it I’m sorry.

Kiri: oh that’s all right, I totally understand, I totally understand.

Skip: I did, I just completely spaced it, I’m being honest about it.

Kiri: yes, honesty is very important. So yours is done Russ right?

Russ: mine’s set and I just have to print it up.

Kiri: okay I’d like to see that next week, I’d also like to see Mark's as soon as possible.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay, let’s get down to the real business.

Skip: go ahead hon.

Kiri: and first of all, how is everybody?

Russ: awesome, incredible and fantastic….

Skip: I’m doing great but I’m getting better.

Russ: have you seen him? Can you please see him in the monitor if he’s getting younger or healthy or something?

Kiri: he looks about the same age, his aura is definitely brighter and he's more boisterous but I think there’s an obvious reason for that.

Russ: true, true.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he does look healthier.

Kiri: uh-huh, life will do that to you.

Russ: marriage will just take years off your life I guess.

Skip: there you go.

Russ: add them on in some cases.

(yet more laughter over that last)

Kiri: in his case, the most important thing is happiness.

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: okay which brings me on to a very important topic, happiness. Happiness and being self-confident in what you do and how that affects your spiritual being. If you’re spiritually happy, nine times out of ten you’re physically happy, mentally happily and happy in your relationships. Somebody that is constantly seeking doesn’t appear to be as happy because they don’t know what they’re looking for. They haven’t settled for one thing so that they’re constantly looking and searching and they’re not happy with what they’ve got and if they’re not happy with what they’ve got, they’re not happy with what they have and they’re not happy with who they are which is important. The most important thing is happiness of being who we are. I’m happy to be Kiri, I’m happy to be the way that I am, my body in my opinion is perfect, my outlook on life is perfect, I’m very, very happy. But if you take some other people that appear to be constantly complaining and striving and looking and searching but have no specific goal, then are they’re happy? No they’re not.

Skip: no, uh-uh.

Kiri: we’ve seen quite a lot of examples recently of people that are striving and looking and searching and they’re not happy. (Name edited out) was one. She is a searcher, she is not happy, she is not happy with what she’s searching for so therefore she retreats and hides and changes her name and changes her personality at a whim which suggests that she is not happy with herself. All the negative stuff in the world that can happen to somebody does not have anything to do with their outlook, what has to do with their outlook is whether they’re happy with what they are. Now the environment around them nine times out of ten does contribute to that factor and the factor is that in your society you have the ideal woman. Whether her name is Christine Brinkley, Uma Thurman….

Russ: Cindy Crawford.

Kiri: Cindy Crawford, Nicole Kidman, they are perfect, they have the perfect body, they’re slim, they’re fairly tall, they’re perfectly proportioned…...…what's it, Cindy Crawford is the one with the eyebrow?

Russ: no she got the mole.

Kiri: okay, now who’s the one with the eyebrow?

Russ: Uma Thurman.

Kiri: the continuous eyebrow? There’s one that has…..nevermind. But those ladies or those women are actually happy with as they are, they don’t go around wanting facelifts and so on, they’re happy as who they are and unfortunately society looks up to them and idolizes them and says that you have to be like these people which is total tosh and bunk, it's total baloney, it’s totally irresponsible. There are some people that are naturally frumpy, there are some people that are naturally skinny, there are other people that naturally have acne problems, that’s who they are. If they learn to be happy with themselves then they are truly happy and they can be spiritually happy, physically and mentally happy. Now on the guy front, you got people like Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tom Hanks and they’re all fairly good-looking, muscular men and again they are happy with who they are.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and men have to live up to those standards. You know Fabio, you have to be strong, muscular and good-looking. Again that is total tosh, total bunk. The most important person that you have to look up to is yourself. Be yourself, be who you are, be who you want to be, not who somebody else is. You can’t be Tom Cruise can you Russ? You can’t be Tom Hanks Skip.

Skip: no.

Kiri: both of you were happy as you are.

Russ: oh yeah.

Skip: uh-huh, I worked the same trade for 48 years, I guess I’m happy with me, I’ve enjoyed it.

Kiri: you just said it right there, not in how you said it but the way you were saying it, you are laughing, that is happiness, that is contentment. It's good to strive to improve yourself but to live up to a standard that is somebody else’s standard is wrong. The most important thing is to be happy with who you are…….

Skip: that’s it.

Kiri: regardless of who you are. As I keep on saying, you can’t be Cindy Crawford, you can’t be Tom Hanks, you can’t be Arnold Schwarzenegger, you can't be Nicole Kidman, you’ve got to be who you are.

Russ: yeah we’re not guaranteed those people are all happy with themselves either.

Kiri: no.

Russ: Cindy Crawford might look at Nicole Kidman and want to be more like her.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we don’t know these things.

Skip: my favorite comment is, God didn’t make any junk.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. You are who you are which is my dissertation tonight is being who you are. Now once you’ve achieved the understanding that you are who you are….

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: then you can start on true happiness. Not living up to anybody else’s standards, be yourself, be who you are. Not some idealized version, you’ll never get that, you’ll never ever get that. You’ve got to be who you are. I am Kiri Tanaka, I’m happy, I’m very happy, I’m very contented and in being very contented I can focus on the more important things like learning more about my engineering, learning more about electronics, learning more about my spirituality which is the most important things, not just one but all of them are just as important. Learning the spirituality, learning the happiness, learning the development in your chosen field of business.

Skip: Kiri you just said the magic word……

Kiri: which magic words were those?

Skip: learning.

Kiri: learning, exactly.

Skip: that’s it exactly.

Kiri: uh-huh. Learning is very important, first of all learn to be yourself, secondly learn to use this as I point to the host’s head, learn to use this gray matter in here. That will bring happiness, not all the money in the world, not all……..what’s one of Mark’s favorite comments? Money hasn’t brought him happiness…..

Skip: uh-uh.

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: it’s brought him pain, grief and aggravation.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: when you don’t have it you struggle and you’re a lot more happier than when you do have it and you don’t have to struggle because you’re worrying about other things. I’ve heard Mark talk about it and I’m paraphrasing him. There are a lot of times where it has caused him nothing but pain and aggravation and when he’s done without it he’s been very happy.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: he struggles, he works hard and struggling and working hard is good for your human condition because it gives you goals and objectives, it gives you advancements.

Skip: it also makes you appreciate it more.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay questions.

Russ: yeah, I have one. Your dissertation contradicted itself in one important fact…

Kiri: okay.

Russ: mainly at the start and at the end.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: at the start you said people are unhappy because they are struggling, at the end you said working hard and struggling makes you happy.

Kiri: ahh, they’re struggling with themselves. Let me preface my opening comments by saying that they struggle with themselves.

Russ: I’ll put that in later on then.

Kiri: yes.

Skip: not financially.

Kiri: if you struggle with yourself, struggle with who you are, then you’ve got problems. If you struggle financially you don’t have problems, well you do but it’s something of a challenge that you enjoy and relish. If you’re constantly struggling with yourself, then you can’t concentrate on the second struggle of improving yourself. The struggle is with being happy with who you are, that’s why I did the long thing about being a struggle about Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Cindy Crawford, Nicole Kidman……

Skip: somebody's trying to be something you’re not, yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, any more questions?

Skip: uh-uh.

Russ: uh-uh, thank you.

Skip: I think you’ve done just fine babe.

Kiri: okay. I’ll be back.

Skip: okay.

Russ: later.

Kiri: I’ll keep my knickers on.

Russ: oh good.

(Omal follows one talk on happiness with another)

Omal: greetings and felicitations, greetings Skip, greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Skip: good evening Omal.

Omal: and how is everyone functioning?

Russ: excellent.

Skip: excellent, great and getting better.

Omal: that is good. Congratulations Skip.

Skip: oh thank you sir, I appreciate that.

Omal: you are welcome. And how does it feel to be no longer a single man?

Skip: very, very, nice.

Omal: that is good. Okay, let me continue with Kiri’s comments and Russ you were good to pick up on the contradiction, I was going to bring that up but it is not necessary. What Kiri has decided to open up is an interesting learning experience which is something that unfortunately is frequently neglected is the happiness of oneself with oneself.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: the understanding that to be in harmony with yourself means that you are in harmony with everything and Kiri has somewhat jumped around the edges of dealing with focusing in on achieving that happiness first before expanding out. And it is not a long, drawn out, protracted, self-defeating purpose but a purpose that you focus within yourself so that you can become contented with who you are. And it is a short process that first of all you have to accept who you are, not as Kiri put it some idealized version of some movie star, it is important to be contented with what you are given, what you start off life with. And your body constantly changes as it progresses through its natural, evolutionary cycle to a better condition to the point where you now have the abilities to develop yourself in happiness, being who you are. And in doing so you achieve the harmony around you, you become more contactable by others, other creatures of your planet, other spiritual entities which brings you up higher which in turn increases your happiness and you feel happier, you transmit that happiness and in turn it is returned to you again with a higher level of happiness. So to be unhappy with who you are means that you have less of that happiness and people do not reflect it back at you which does not increase itself so you stay at that level where you’re neither regressing or advancing, you stay an unhappy individual. But, as soon as you start to smile and are happy and contented with who you are, that is reflected to other people who in turn reflect it back amplified and you in turn feel more happiness and reflect it out even more and so on in an escalating pattern which continually gets better. Of course there are moments where you have to deal with negative situations but if you maintain that happy, external experience, then you do not subtract from it when you have to deal with negative or depressing or harmful situations. Okay, do we have questions?

Russ: ten or twelve.

Omal: okay let us start off with Skip and we will go backwards and forwards if you have some questions that is Skip.

Skip: well, I guess I operated my whole life under the positive aspect of it which made me feel more appreciated because I respect other people because I respect myself.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: and like you say, it reflects back to you more than twofold, whatever you give out you always get back.

Omal: that is correct.

Skip: and I’m trying to teach my grandson this and he’s slowly getting the lesson........

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: but he is a young man and he’s growing and it just takes time.

Omal: well did you pick it up to start off with as quickly as you do now?

Skip: no.

Omal: so you have to remember….

Skip: well, I have a little comment that I always tell the kids, when I was 15 my dad was the dumbest individual I had ever met in my life and by the time I turned 21 he was pretty smart.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: in other words I was pretty stupid, I knew everything at 15.

Omal: that is correct.

Skip: and by the time I got to 21 I realized that hey I wasn’t that smart, it was just my dad that was that smart. And I try to instill this in the young people and they’re slowly learning, they’re slowly learning.

Omal: it is something that takes time.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: but all beings go through that learning phase, whether it is over many years or a few days, all beings go through that learning experience to accept that we do not know everything.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: I do not know everything, I am not some super intelligent, pan-dimensional being. I'm certainly a pan-dimensional being but I’m not super intelligent, not by those that are my idols, the people that I look up to, they are far more intelligent than I am. It is like comparing yourself to the feline, you are far more intelligent than the average feline but there again there are people that are more intelligent than you.

Skip: oh yeah.

Omal: to come to that balance and accepting as Kiri puts it who you are is very important and once you accept that, then you can help others by aiding them in your learning process by saying, "this is what I’ve learned." Dealing with the younger people of your species, they seem to forget that you were once their age too.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: it may have been some time ago but the things that they think, you think or thought, the way that they behave, you behaved.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: to quote one of your famous earth sayings, "as I am now, so you shall be." And that is something that they do not understand that you were once just as young, just as foolish, just as smart, just as witty, just as mischievous as they are now. Certainly the tools around them are different than from earlier times but the physical experiences do not change.

Skip: they’re all the same.

Omal: uh-huh. Okay let us go to Russ’ question.

Russ: okay. I don't have all that many I was just joking but the one thing I do have is that when we're growing up we have around us so many examples of other people’s happiness and other people’s sadness and tragedies and we always want to emulate or reach those persons who have the happiness and usually try to follow their examples that they went through in the hopes that was the secret that led to their happiness and maybe it will bring us some too. So sometimes that means getting as much money as you can or getting the best job or the best wife or the best car, whatever that made those people happy is what you think will make you happy. And then you look at people who live in monasteries or communes and things who have nothing and yet they’re very happy. And it’s like well which way do I go?

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: do I have nothing and try to go that way and try to live in a commune and see if I’m happy there or do I go become rich and see if I have all my problems taken away because I don’t have to worry about money anymore? And I’m telling you it’s a lot of conflicts I think in people as they grow up and try to decide which way to become happy when actually it is really all in themselves to find that but there’s the question, how do they actually focus in on what will make them happy without actually having to go through these other experiences to do so?

Omal: unfortunately it is trial and error, I cannot give you a set pattern because one size does not fit all. I can say for me I did this, I did that, it brought me happiness but it may not work for either of you.

Russ: definitely won’t work for either of us.

Skip: I done the same thing, I’ve done the exact same thing.

Omal: you have to find what it is that makes you happy. Is it helping people, is it struggling, is it a combination of the two, is it something else, is it creating something with your hands, is it talking, is it sitting down and dwelling deep within, is it all of those, is it none of those? First of all you have to look within yourself before you can look without and the answers are normally very close to the surface that you can find readily and quickly. To understand that you have to be self-reliant is the next step, nobody can make you happy, you first have to make yourself happy. As Kiri said, first use the brain before you learn other things, you have to think before you do anything else. What brings happiness, what makes you contented? Having achieved that, then you can go out and be a happy maker, making other people happy so that it reflects back on yourself and in turn you give more so that they give more back and so on. It is like depositing money in a bank account, the more that you put in, the more that you get back. But it is not one thing, it is many things, one size does not fit all. Okay, next question please.

Skip: that’s sufficient for me.

Omal: okay let us deal to Mr. 11 questions left.

Russ: no I actually have a two-parter though.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay. When you are......experience happiness, you actually have to go out and you have to experience sadness and troubles and things that make you really depressed in your life to really understand the opposite of that is being happy. With that, you have to kind of I guess come to the realization at some point in your life that all of that was some kind of a lesson that helped you grow into being happy. I myself have gone through many experiences where I went to the pits of despair but now I can just look back on them as just well that was a great lesson to go through. But when you’re the middle of those pits of despair, there’s nothing that you think will ever bring you back up again and it’s really kind of, where do you find that single ray of hope in that pits of despair? I mean a lot of people find it in religion, a lot of people find it just little things but I know nothing is all one thing for everyone but is there something like an idea that could be brought out to help in that point?

Omal: yes, one very simple one, planning on how to get out of that predicament. If you do this you know that will happen so you have to plan moment-by-moment on your improvements. But it is a misconception that you seem to be very well unknowing of that you have to have the negative to experience the positive. You do not. If you have negative experiences it makes the happy moments more enjoyable but if you never have a negative moment you're constantly happy. You never know what it is to experience pain, suffering or as you put it the depths of despair, those are unknown to you. So it is a misconception to say that you have to have both, you do not have to have both and the reason is and a very simple reason is why? You don’t need despair to appreciate happiness, you know happiness for what it is. It makes you feel good, it makes you feel well but you do have to have happiness to understand and appreciate and find the struggle in despair because without it you do not know any different. If you’re constantly in an environment where it is despair, despair, despair, depressed, depressed, depressed and you have never experienced happiness that is all you know. Happiness is unknown to you and it’s the same with being constantly happy, despair and depression is an unknown to you. So to say that you have to have one to experience the other is wrong but it becomes known that despair is a bad place when you experience happiness but if you experience just happiness, despair is unknown to you. You understand?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: okay second part please.

Russ: okay, when you have this despair or the happiness, isn’t it something like a drug, kind of like a need to have that happiness to be constantly happy because happiness does make you healthier and despair makes you sicker?

Omal: I refer you to the answer I gave two moments ago. You do not know better if you have never experienced one or the other.

Skip: well I think we all put ourselves in a position of despair or depression or whatever and then work our way out of it and I really believe that.

Omal: it is for a reason that when you do that you do that for a reason but if you’ve never experienced one or the other you do not know better or you do not know worse.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: if despair is a constant situation that you experience continually, then how do you know what happiness is?

Skip: or vice a versa.

Omal: correct.

Skip: uh-huh, but I think we do that to ourselves, I really believe we do.

Omal: you could be right, you could be very right. Okay next question please.

Russ: no that’s it.

Skip: that’s…..

Omal: that is it?

Skip: that's it, thank you very much.

Omal: I despair sometimes.

(we both break into laughter)

Skip: thanks Omal.

Omal: in the 3 ½ weeks that we have had I have been studying your humor.

Russ: well you’re doing quite better.

Omal: thank you.

Russ: as opposed to those first attempts.

Omal: I have had some dismal failures that is so depressing but now it is something I hope to be able to inflect a little bit better into a more humorous environment. I’ve always stated using humor is a very useful learning tool.

Russ: always.

Omal: and I will repeat my phrasing from some time ago that you remember the lessons more easily if they’re humorous.

Skip: that's correct.

Russ: that was a long time ago.

Omal: long time ago?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: maybe to you it was, to me it was a blinking of the eye.

Skip: yeah right but you are correct.

Omal: uh-huh. Okay, as you do not have any more questions, I will say live long, prosper and, I’ll be back.

Skip: thanks Omal.

Russ: thanks Omal.

(Kiri returns to bring on the base's resident senior gardener)

Skip: he’s doing quite well.

Russ: uh-huh. Hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: I personally think that happiness is an art.

Kiri: you also forget that to Omal, time is an irrelevant thing.

Skip: humor is not.

Kiri: oh humor, he’s learning.

Skip: yes he is, he’s doing very well.

Russ: he’s got a paint brush and is definitely painting.

Skip: yes he is, he’s doing great.

Kiri: yes he’s painting some very interesting pictures. I was just thinking for a second, I was going to say something and decided not to.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay let me put on the next speaker.

Skip: okay.


(said to someone on the base)

(Treebeard comes on to get us to the end of the side)

Treebeard: greetings.

Russ: greetings Treebeard.

Treebeard: I am of well, you are being of?

Russ: well.

Skip: well, very good.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: thank you. We are tonight of discussing answers that you may being of having for questions.

Russ: yeah well we’re on a topic of happiness…….

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: at the present moment and one of the things that I’ve noticed is that concerning with yourself, nature and happiness. Down here we have a factor that people closer to nature or living closer to nature are in a better spirits and live slower lifestyles as opposed to those who live farther from nature in the big cities and such. And I’m not quite sure if the nature is the reason for that or just the fact that people have forgotten about nature?

Treebeard: I am thinking that you are missing point that in of places where lots of people being, it is hurry, hurry, hurry whereas being in tune with nature, living with nature being around you, it is of more following nature's timetable that when season of white rain is being of coming it is for you to hurry to be ready for that time but when it is days of long and nights of short you are not in of hurry to do as lot as possible when time of white rain being of coming. Once that time has laid a blanket on ground, then you return to it is not of hurry to do things because it is not possible to hurry because white rain being difficult for you to maneuver through. So living in place where you are closer to of land and nature means that it is less of importance to hurry, hurry, hurry except of time when preparing for great white rain.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: okay and then when the white rain is gone, it’s time to hurry to get the plants into the ground so that they can grow through the summertime.

Treebeard: I would not be saying of hurry, what is there is resting til it is no longer covered by white rain, it is there asleep ready for rebirth. If you wish to add to it you make timetable that is necessary for that hurry but having done that it is your choice not of nature’s choice.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: but it is something that you can say tomorrow if you so wish whereas living in place where people live packed tight together it is, "I have today to do that because tomorrow person up street wants me to do something for them" so you hurry there whereas it is not so necessary to hurry where you live in place with plenty of nature close at hand.

Russ: hmmm, so it’s almost a question of seasons too, seasons of nature......

Skip: yeah.

Russ: to really affect that.

Skip: yeah because your winter and your summer, your summer is kind of a kick back, "I can do it tomorrow." In the winter it says, "no you can’t kick back, you just kick back and relax till it’s gone."

Treebeard: it is difficult, let me not say difficult, it is much better being able of probing because Skip is saying of what I would’ve said but in way for you to more easy understand. So when I say nothing when finishing comment, it meaning of that I know what is about to come which is answer to questions which was about to being of asked.

Russ: that speeds up things.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

Treebeard: I would say so tremendously, it saves me having to think, analyze and speak. But next of statement is that it is never time to of hurry for hurrying brings things faster than you may be of wishing.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: tomorrow is soon enough.

Russ: hmm and enjoying the moment.

Skip: yeah.

Treebeard: in doing so that is correct.

Skip: yeah. Okay.

Treebeard: okay for your recording of, next question.

Russ: oh, Skip?

Skip: no, I run my mouth enough. (laughs)

Russ: okay, we’re preparing now for our next season of snow or white rain and it's kind of that time period where it’s not quite to a point where we have to start rushing to prepare for it but at the same time it’s kind of on the back of our minds as it’s ready to come. Now from looking at it, it does seem to provide a bit of pressure on some people subconsciously that the summer is over and life is just going by a little faster now that the next season is about to hit. I suppose in places where they don’t have those problems maybe they don’t have those pressures?

Treebeard: they find of other pressures to replacing of those. From listening of what Omal said is that if you do not have one set of pressures you find others to replace them.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Skip: just like in the tropics you got your monsoon rains.

Russ: that’s true.

Skip: same thing as our winters only in a different form so they'd have pressures there too.

Treebeard: or reverse being of place of great dry. You have period of little rain important to harvest and secure as much rain as quickly as possible. For long time may be of coming without of rain so you being of creating your own necessary pressures for advancement and struggle.

Skip: yep, I can see that.

Russ: yeah now that’s a good point you bring up Treebeard, advancement and struggle.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: now the topic that we’ve been working on has been as with Kiri and Omal the struggle and being happy with that struggle.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: so I guess the key here is a way to find the happiness throughout that struggle no matter whether you have the pressures of snow, drought, typhoons or monsoons and just maintain that balance.

Treebeard: uh-huh, that is what of seeming to be going with topics of tonight. Maybe a good name would be struggle for recording device?

Russ: hmm, good call.

Skip: okay, I’ll give you a for instance with me.

Russ: okay.

Skip: you said I looked younger and I look happier.

Russ: yeah absolutely.

Skip: okay, I can tell you why, I’m not happy unless I’m responsible for somebody.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: that is my struggle, that's my life okay? Nobody else’s, mine and I’m happy with that. And when I don’t have that I’m not that happy.

Russ: well you’re right, I've got a son now and I’m just the happiest person you’d ever see in your entire life.

Skip: because you’ve got the responsibility and the struggle to do this.

Russ: good point.

Skip: I got married, I've got the responsibility of a wife and a grandson and I got that struggle to take care of them.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: and I’m happy, I’ve always been happy with being responsible for somebody else. I don’t know how else to put it but that’s the truth. But I know me.

Russ: and Treebeard you’ve been responsible for a few people in your life.

Treebeard: yes I have been of so. Sorry for being distracted, I was on intimate discussion with other person.

Skip: no problem.

Treebeard: yes, I am being of responsible in past, now I’m not responsible but being responsible in of indirect of way. I bring happiness because I caretake of plants until ready to being planted. I am responsible to my two pets as you would be saying of.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: snake and rabbit are being of trusting on me to provide food for them to being of taking care of.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: I watch over rabbit to make sure rabbit is not of dinner for snake.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Treebeard: in turn I make snake happy and not wanting of eating rabbit so it is something of necessary to be I am responsible for. I am responsible for making plants ready for people to have happiness so I receive that happiness.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: so responsibility in context is something that's a necessary thing for all of us to be happy.

Treebeard: I am thinking of yes.

Russ: that would be a good cure for people in depression, things like that.

Skip: become responsible for other people or other things.

Russ: sure.

Skip: animals whatever. It’s just like they put out a bit here not too long ago that elderly people live longer if they have pets.

Russ: or responsible like a job…….

Skip: right.

Russ: things like that.

Treebeard: it is not being responsible or having, it is something else that you are of missing.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: go ahead.

Treebeard: it is of need.

Skip, okay, alright.

Russ: hmmm, good point.

Treebeard: you are being of needed, not being responsible for not taking care of, you are being of needed.

Russ: that’s a better word.

Skip: that’s a good point.

Treebeard: snake is needing of me, Lipitus is needing of me, people here are needing of me because of my gifts of plants.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: we need you for your gift of conversation and the ability to answer our…..

Skip: intelligence.

Russ: yeah absolutely.

Skip: your intelligence.

Treebeard: I am thanking you for that. Former ringmaster, he was no longer feeling of needed. (The Baron.)

Skip: yes, yes.

Russ: definitely.

Treebeard: even though he had small family left, he did not feel of needed so it was end for him. It was not of sadness that he being feeling no longer needed but feeling of time for him to say goodbye so that he will be needed again in something that is more suitable for needing.

Skip: yeah okay.........




(As the tape is turned over, Kiri has come back)

Kiri: I'm needed.

Russ: oh you’re very needed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yes you are.

Kiri: and not just for my brains either, my body.

Skip: oh?

Russ: I thought it would be your mothering ability.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, let me put on the next speaker as I’m needed to be the ring mistress. God, these shorts are tight.

Russ: keep them on.

(Karra sits in the channeling field as her sister departs)

Karra: hello.

Russ: good evening my lady.

Karra: hello.

Skip: hi baby.

Karra: hello, congratulations Skip.

Skip: thank you darling, appreciate it.

Karra: you are welcome, it is something that always brings me great joy when I hear news of bonding. Sometimes it is not appropriate for two individuals to bond but when they decide and there is importance in it then that is good. When it is done without the serious intent on either one party or another, then that is wrong but I’m not going to say whether it is right or wrong. My feelings on bond mates are always kept within myself. I share those feelings sometimes with my love but in your case I'm very, very happy and I will say so. I am very happy for both you and your charming lady. It is something that you both need.

Skip: yeah we do, yeah we do.

Karra: and to finish off what Treebeard was saying, not only do you need your lady but she needs you.

Skip: yep, even her health is improved a thousand percent since we've got together.

Karra: whereas somebody that needs more than the other person, that is useful too but nurturing can be a problem sometimes. Okay, now I’m going to address something that got me very annoyed. Somebody that has taken needing to a extremely high art, the needing of conflict, the needing for people to feel sorry for them, the needing for people to take care of them, the needing to be permanently handicapped, the needing to be addicted. Now for years we have talked about all of these things, people that are users?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and recently all of you had the learning lesson of coming across a true user, not only using people but the things around them to achieve their goals and their objectives. I don’t think we need to mention any names.

Skip: I don’t think so.

Karra: but it is a lesson to be used, an opportunity to say, “okay, somebody like that, what can you do for them?”

Skip: whoa…..

Karra: now…….

Russ: there's a big question.

Skip: that’s a hard question darling.

Russ: yeah.

Skip: that is a hard one.

Karra: what can you do for them? A person that needs everything.

Russ: yeah we’ve discussed this many times in the past.

Karra: uh-huh and what has been my answer? You do nothing for them.

Russ: correct.

Karra: because when you try to help them………

Skip: they keep taking advantage of you.

Karra: and they keep taking it and they keep taking it so you are feeding their need.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: but if you take away the food or the need, then they have the opportunity of learning that lesson that maybe it is not a good thing and it is their choice whether or not they wish to learn or move on to the next person to be used or the next thing to be used or the next creature to be used.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: now sometimes those individuals can be very, very dangerous, very dangerous. They learn from the situations that they're in, they take their knowledge and then they use it against those individuals to harm. But the lesson that they fail to understand is that if the individual that they’ve taken the knowledge from is stronger than they are which most of them are, and that person stands up against that individuals misuse of their knowledge, then they can defeat them very, very easily and it is if they are impervious to any harm that may be done by that person. For example, something that we got a good chuckle out of, pentagrams. Okay Russ, what happens to an unprotected pentagram when built with intent, not just a star, not just a drawing that a child could do but when it is built with intent?

Russ: well it just basically spreads out from the center.

Karra: uh-huh and where does that energy go?

Russ: back to the person who put it there, it’s looking for a home.

Karra: uh-huh, it goes to the builder. The person who builds the pentagram that is unprotected gets back what they reap plus but where does that power come from? That power doesn’t come from the symbol on the ground because it’s just a symbol.

Russ: it goes back to the person who built it.

Karra: it comes from here, the mind. Poor Mark’s head, he’s getting a pounding tonight. It comes from the mind, their belief that that will work and when they discover that an unprotected or an un-circled pentagram which is just a symbol on the ground which is no more harmful than anything, that’s when it becomes harmful is because of their belief.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: and the others around them their belief that an unprotected symbol of any kind sends the energy back to the builder of that symbol.

Russ: yeah I’m very careful about drawing anything that has to do with pentagrams.

Skip: yeah me too, me too.

Karra: but it’s just a symbol but what makes it powerful………..

Skip: it’s what you think.

Karra: exactly.

Russ: but the thing is though with the pentagram, it has a racial memory attached to it that no matter how you draw it, you evoke that memory in the building of it whether it’s for fun or whatever, you still put a bit of intent into it just from your subconscious I think.

Karra: correct, correct but what is the most powerful thing on your planet?

Skip: your mind.

Karra: exactly. Not the atomic bomb, not the symbols that you produce because all of those come from one place……

Skip: a person’s mind.

Karra: that’s correct. So when dealing with somebody that is a user, the best way to defeat them if they’re causing harm is to not to play their game. As soon as you play their game or as soon as you realize that you are being used, you step back, you disengage and therefore they can no longer use you. So from this whole entire incident what have we learned?

Russ: the best defense is no offense.

Karra: is to use their beliefs against them, to stop playing their game…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: to send them on their way. If they wish to learn from you and use what you have taught them then that is fine. Maybe they will learn something good, if they don’t that’s not your problem, you’ve done the best that you can until the point you realize you’re being used. But on the other side there is a side that you have done good by trying to help somebody even though they didn’t want the help they claim they did, you have done good and you have learned something. You have learned about yourself, you have learned how to handle and deal with those people that use other people.

Skip: yeah there’s lots of them.

Karra: uh-huh unfortunately.

Skip: lots of them.

Karra: yes, having watched your planet very carefully with the aid of Russ, I have seen a lot of users. Some of them have been helped, some of them confess to have been helped, some of them play at being helped and others just totally "Phppt". Okay, I have my little sister going…..

Russ: take care my love.

Karra: okay, I wish I could talk longer.

Skip: thanks babe.

Karra: okay. Catch you later Skip, congratulations.

Skip: thank you babe.

Karra: and… you.

Russ: love you too babe.

(Kiri is back to get us to the next speaker)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: uh-huh. Actually she blushes and gets very flattered when you say, "love you babe." Considering that she is older than both of you, it’s a big compliment for her. Well as I’m older than you Russ….

Russ: well yeah that’s true.

Kiri: I think I'm a year younger than you are?

(speaking to Skip)

Kiri: I'm many years in your counting?

Russ: well….

Kiri: I'm 66.

Russ: hard to say, Mars is a different rotation than….

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s beside the point.

Skip: I’ll be 66 in two months.

Kiri: I'm a little older then. Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, I am older and younger. Okay let me put on……

Skip: well if you rejuvenate me I'll be a lot younger darling.

Kiri: I haven't had a rejuvenation yet, don’t need one for a while. Okay, going to put on the last speaker.

(Tia takes her turn to give us an overview of world events)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: I can't stay too long, I’m real busy tonight, I’ve got to go back to my office. First of all, be prepared for a communiqué.

Russ: communiqué.

Tia: okay now the reason why I may be releasing a communiqué and I’ve been in a lot of meetings recently and you'll have to excuse me thinking and talking fast. Okay we have had earthquakes in Taiwan, we've had rioting in East Timor, we've had problems in Malaysia, we've had earthquakes in Turkey, we've had stock markets continuing on a downward slide, what do all things add up to?

Russ: possible defcon alert.

Tia: that is correct.

Russ: or upgrade.

Tia: which would take us to defcon two.

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: all these things are happening externally to your country except for the stock market keeps on sliding. What is going on is a moment for us......we have been teetering on the edge of declaring a defcon two for the past three days.

Skip: okay.

tia: okay, this is nothing negative for your localized area, this is a worldwide alert because of all the things going on in other places. Most of them are in what you call developing country areas which at the moment is something that is stopping us from announcing that defcon two level but if they continue to occur, such things as hurricanes, riots, mass killings, sliding in the market, you have had within the space of three weeks, you’ve had…..

Russ: encephalitis breakout in New York.

Tia: you've had some major occurrences. You've had major earthquakes in Taiwan, you've had major earthquakes in Turkey, you've had major earthquakes......there's somewhere else recently but you've had bomb blasts in the Soviet Union, you've had warfare breaking out in Dagestan and Chechnya. You’ve had military attacks, you've had hurricanes, you’ve had volcanic activities, you've had a lot of things going on in the space of three weeks.

Skip: shooting rampages.

Russ: shooting rampages.

Tia: shooting rampages, you’ve had many negative events occurring. This is nothing to do with the turn of the millennium.

Russ: oh it’s not?

Tia: the millennium turns in another year and 90 days thereabouts. What is going on is normal, natural phenomenons that are occurring close together unfortunately. The natural phenomenons, they happen from time to time in a space like that. The fighting's and so on are not anything to do with the turn of the millennium or the supposed turn the millennium in 90 days which is a misnomer and inaccurate. What they are to do with is religious problems. To start off with the problem in Chechnya and Dagestan, I sided with the rebels, I was incorrect in this, I want to clear that up right now. Having done more research and studied it in closer detail, I’m now siding with the government. The actual people that are creating the fighting are a very small minority that believe it is their right to force their will on the majority. To give you an idea on how small this minority is, you’re talking less than 1%, less than 1% is creating the current problem. So anybody that complains that the poor rebels are being picked upon and hurt is incorrect. They’re not rebels, they're terrorists, they are forcing their will on other people. Is that the action of a rebel, is that the action of a religious sect? No, that is the actions of terrorists. They're bandits, they’re using religion as a tool for their own ends. The reason why I sound strongly vehement in that is the fact that I goofed. I made a mistake in my judgment but I am correcting that now and anger is not directed at them or directed at the government, it is anger at myself for making that mistake, a foolish mistake. Okay do we have any questions?

Skip: well would that terrorist action exist in the bombings in Russia also?

Tia: that is correct.

Skip: okay.

Tia: that is the action of terrorists. Okay, next question.

Russ: well East Timor is a....that’s a political problem there.

Tia: that’s correct.

Russ: but now what do you see as the possible outcome out of all this independence that's being forced upon Indonesia for that particular area?

Tia: I see it as a very dangerous move. Certainly the majority of the people thought that it was the right move, certainly the government of Indonesia felt that it was a wrong move, both parties in this case were at fault.......

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: for the simple reason East Timor cannot survive without Indonesia, Indonesia can survive without East Timor but it is wrong for them to force their will on the majority of the people in that area even though the majority in actual fact is a minority of Indonesia. They gave them the opportunity to vote for their independence, they voted for it and unfortunately they made a choice which was harmful and innocent people were hurt. So it is something that both parties are at fault. That’s something I’m keeping out of but I'm watching carefully. Next question.

Skip: no.

Russ: okay, we’re just entering into the hurricane season now, we're also entering into a point where the interest rates are being looked at as being rising soon.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that along with another earthquake that could possibly strike anywhere along that Pacific rim area that’s already building up we could see a defcon alert pretty quick then because of all that?

Tia: and that is quite possible. In fact when I leave here I’m going back to a meeting, I’m going back to a meeting with the Council of 12 where we’re going to sit down and discuss it. That’s where Omal went.

Russ: okay one last question is......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: on the earthquakes in the Pacific rim, we’ve had one major one in Turkey and one major one in Taiwan, hasn’t that relieved a lot of stresses on that particular plates and we might not see anything for a while?

Tia: they’re not connected to the Pacific plate. The one in Turkey is the European plate, the one in Taiwan is on the……..oh what’s that?

Russ: it’s not the Japanese plate?

Tia: yet it’s on the Japanese plate that’s not on your side however, not being fully versed on the theory behind it I can assume that even though it’s released pressure in that area, that the movement is building up pressure elsewhere. Where I don't know.

Skip: oh okay.

Russ: tectonics or something I'll have to look into myself.

Skip: I was going ask.

Tia: now if it slides gently than that is not a problem, I really don’t know, I’m not a……

Skip: because it couldn’t be building up pressure on this side of the Pacific

Tia: uh-huh or it could be building up pressure further along down there. Anyway, anymore questions?

Skip: no honey.

Tia: okay, I've got to go.

Skip: thank you

Russ: thanks Tia.

Tia: I can’t take his body with me can I?

(we both laugh)

Skip: good night sweetheart.

(Kiri uses up the rest of the side as a guide tutorial)

Russ: I hadn’t thought of that.

Skip: that could be building up the pressure on this side.

Russ: I’m not sure how that works.

Kiri: she worries me sometimes.

Russ: .......the plate slipped. If it slipped toward the Pacific plate?

Skip: it’s it slipped toward their country by taking the pressure off they could push the plates over this way.

Russ: oh no, that would release pressure on this plate to move closer toward the Taiwan plate.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: right which would bring the slide to San Francisco.

Skip: right.

Kiri: or further up the coast who knows but don’t get upset about it because there’s nothing you can do about it.

Skip: no, no, no, no, I was just…..

Russ: you sure?

Skip: we were just kind of discussing okay?

Russ: right.

Kiri: well I can tell you a way to deal with it but it would get me sent home.

(we both started laughing again)

Skip: no we was just discussing it.

Russ: yeah it was just…..

Kiri: actually it could give you quite a lot of energy that you can use for other things but I can’t tell you that, it's not fair.

Skip: yeah I know, I know, I know, I know.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay…

Skip: I don’t want to be grounded again.

Kiri: hey, I edited myself there and censored myself.

Skip: there you go, you don’t need to be grounded, we need you here.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: she works way too hard sometimes.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: anyhow…….

Kiri: I mean she was talking fast too. She had her hands up sort of like……that’s Tia on a hot tin roof.

Russ: yeah, that's absolutely true, she was going through the paces tonight.

Skip: been a pretty healthy discussion tonight.

Kiri: I think we covered a lot of things.

Skip: yes we have.

Kiri: but okay, let me put on my spiritual hat here for a second.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: Skip, how’s the nudges coming?

Skip: how’s the what?

Kiri: the nudges, the little suggestions, the little bits of guiding, you feel any more?

Skip: your…..

Kiri: I'm referring to your guide.

Skip: oh…..yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: kept me from rolling my truck over the mountain.

Kiri: but since then.

Skip: I’m sorry?

Kiri: but since then, have you felt more nudges? More......

Skip: since then? No.

Kiri: hmmm, I wouldn’t say that you have, well maybe he’s being a lot more subtler about it.

Skip: because he flat told me to slow down.

Kiri: uh-huh but that was where it was necessary to be vocal but a guide doesn’t speak to you constantly, they don’t even push you constantly, it’s gentle little nudges. It’s like.......the best way to describe it, it's like a cue ball on a billiard table. You push it ever so gently and it will gently move and you keep applying that pressure gently and gently and gently and it’s an unperceptible move but soon it's going to go in a different direction than it was originally. Even though you haven’t heard or felt your guide, it doesn’t mean to say that he’s not making little suggestions and little gentle pushes.

Skip: alright.

Kiri: but a guide is there with you for the long haul. They’re there to help guide you in a way that it is unnoticeable. A good guide will be so subtle that you won’t even notice it until you look up and go, “oh okay, five years ago when I was on that path I was going this way now I'm heading that way, how did I come to be there?” That’s what guides do.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: they’re not there to tell you blatantly, "go this way", not unless it is immediate, immediate danger.

Skip: that was immediate danger all right.

Kiri: uh-huh. So guides are subtle and it’s good to see you this happy and cheerful, I think Treebeard was right in saying it's need, being needed.

Russ: oh yeah good call on his part.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Kiri: but yeah subtlety is something that is very useful. Guides the majority of the time are very, very subtle. They’ve got to be subtle because if they’re blatant, sometimes you resist. You don’t see the advantage in going that way whereas they’re looking further the down the road which they have the opportunity to do which you don’t in your stimulated and oriented existence, the same that I experience, they don’t have that stimulation of physical sensations. They have the opportunity to think and plan and see where you are going.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and because the majority of guides know you well enough, either in past lives or in current life to be able to say, “okay, what would be best suited for Skip? What would be best suited for Russ?” The subtleties are very, very important. You can be blatant when necessary but sometimes that is not necessary.

Skip: well it was necessary when I was driving the truck and the wheel's falling off.

Kiri: uh-huh, that was what we call red alert, to use a technical term, that’s red alert.

Skip: you got it, kept me from rolling the truck off the road.

Kiri: yeah, like my technical terms?

Russ: I love them. Now guides are advancing in their own consciousness during this time so I assume when they're not on red alert that they're consciously exploring their own avenues towards progression in consciousness correct?

Kiri: correct. Okay, do we have any more questions on the spiritual side of things?

Skip: no I don’t think so.

Russ: no.

Skip: but my guide is in place now?

Kiri: yes he is, very much so. He’s still doing his times where he’s being taught and learning but those are becoming progressively less and less.

Skip: okay.

Russ: so he’s being taught by other guides?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: so it’s like a whole other life that you live after your life?

Skip: uh-huh, yeah, yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so you don't really stop living………

Skip: okay now here’s another point I'd like to bring up…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: of what we’ve been discussing earlier. A guide is needed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh yeah, absolutely.

Kiri: they’re fulfilling their need.

Skip: so that’s a two-way street there, we need the guide and the guide actually needs us.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that brings up another point. The movie that’s called “Always” I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not, it’s a story….

Kiri: it’s about the World War II pilot that's helping new pilots is that correct?

Russ: close, he flies a World War II bomber for fighting fires.

Kiri: the image, the story that Mark’s told me is that it’s about a fighter pilot that dies in a plane crash and he comes back to help another pilot advance?

Russ: not in the one I’ve seen. The one I’ve seen he fights fires, Richard Dreyfuss fights fires in a World War II bomber and then he dies…..

Kiri: oh yes that one, that’s a color film.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: okay there’s another one.

Russ: then it's probably a black and white thing…

Kiri: he’s the one that decorates what's it? The big guy with…

Russ: John Goodman.

Kiri: with the fire retardant.

Russ: fire retardant right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but in that he comes back after he’s dead and helps out new pilots…..

Skip: oh okay.

Russ: and the problems and the fun that goes along with that but in doing so he finds that he’s very needed and I’m thinking the Baron who…...

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: actually something that my sister……that’s where you got it from.

Russ: yeah, of course.

Skip: the Baron would make an excellent guide.

Russ: absolutely, one of the best.

Skip: yes he would, yes he would.

Kiri: see if we can find a fighter pilot that needs him.

Skip: hey, there’s lots of them out there darling that need somebody like the Baron.

Russ: the whole crew on the base probably could use him.

Kiri: yes.

Skip: oh yes, definitely, definitely.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because these young guys coming up now, they......

Russ: the person to talk to is Taal.

Kiri: I think it’s a little too soon for the Baron to be……

Skip: yeah but he’ll get there darling, he’ll get there but once he hits this, I think he’ll find that he’s needed more this way than he was as a fighter pilot. But he’s got the experience behind him so........

Kiri: oh yeah.

Skip: his need….

Kiri: I’ll talk to my grandmother about that when I get the opportunity.

Russ: excellent, good call.

Skip: he would be excellent.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: God you couldn't ask for a better candidate.

Kiri: no but we all do a little stint from time to time as guides.

Skip: I’m sorry we're injecting into an area that we don’t really know that much about.

Kiri: same here, I don’t that much about it either. My grandmother does.

Skip: I’ll bet you he’d make an excellent guide.

Kiri: and what my grandmother……how much does she say about it, about guides?

Russ: not much.

Kiri: very little.

Skip: yes she does.

Kiri: uh-huh but she knows a lot more than she will let on.

Skip: I think that comes from all of you young people.

Kiri: that we know a lot more than we let on?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: well we’re covered by our own set of protocols, she’s covered by a different set of protocols.

Skip: that’s okay.

Kiri: a great example of a different set of protocols is my dad. My dad and his set of protocols.

Russ: isn’t he is expected to live by a certain set now that he’s president of Sirius?

Kiri: uh-huh, which doesn't cover him for the directives that we have here on the base.

Russ: for releasing information?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well we understand that too.

Kiri: talking of protocols and behaviors, we will have coming probably in December time the wayward monster.

Russ: cool, Bunny time.

Kiri: the Bunnykins, the Bunnster.

Skip: Bunny?

Kiri: yeah. You’ve met Bunny.

Skip: yes.

Kiri: the stripper, the exotic dancer, the student of life with the IQ problem and the so ons?

Skip: I'll be at that one. (chuckles)

Kiri: okay and moving along to another topic, Lyka.

Skip: oh I…

Russ: yes I’ve got my email working now so…...

Skip: how’s the baby?

Kiri: baby is doing fine.

Russ: get that announcement going.

Kiri: she is a normal........she’s not normal for up here, she’s normal for a third dimensional child, she has no abilities.

Russ: well that’s fine, she’s got the love of her parents.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you don't need any ability with that.

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: she was, because of the parentage, she is genetically altered. She is, you’ve heard us talk about Teene’s daughter, you’ve heard me talk about Teene the technician?

Skip: no I don’t think so darling.

Kiri: okay, there are some times where it is impossible for a woman to conceive up here with male genes.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: so what they do is they artificially set it up so that a child could be born and instead of having the necessary genes, they have pure female genes, no male genes whatsoever.

Skip: well for crying out loud.

Kiri: which means that they're sterile, their mental abilities are at best weak…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: on the most common occurrence they’re normal, normal for you, your species....

Skip: oh okay, alright okay.

Kiri: as opposed to having maybe one or two or three or four abilities which is very, very common up here which is the normal, they become unnormal up here because they have no abilities.

Russ: won't she face any ostracization for that?

Kiri: no, definitely not.

Russ: well that's good.

Kiri: if anything it would be more love.

Russ: really? Pretty different from what it would be like down here that's for sure.

Kiri: sorry Skip, you’re having an almost anaphylactic reaction over something.

Skip: hmm, wouldn’t that make the young people tease them because they don’t have the abilities?

Kiri: no. They’re very looked after, very more loved because they are missing that one thing that makes them normal for us.

Skip: okay I got you, I got you. All right I understand now.

Russ: now wouldn’t that be like a handicapped person down here who develops their other abilities for example maybe they become more empathic or use their brain more?

Kiri: yes, a lot of them, they’re very, very good caregivers for children because they can’t have children themselves.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: ohhh, okay.

Kiri: because with being a pure woman they’re totally sterile, they can't have children and they're wonderful, wonderful caregivers. They make fantastic nurses because they go out of their way to learn how to read people’s body language instead of reading the minds, they learn body language.

Skip: yes, yes.

Russ: they’re crèche parents and nurses.

Kiri: uh-huh, a lot of them are crèche mothers, a lot of them are nurses, a lot of them are caregivers….

Skip: oh great.

Kiri: their life expectancy is about half of ours.

Russ: now wouldn't they also make good Oath Keepers?

Kiri: no.

Russ: why not?

Kiri: because they are pure female.

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: they don’t have that aggressive leaning that would make them go out and inflict pain. They want to heal, they want to help, they want to put things back together.

Russ: they don’t have that balance.

Skip: they don’t have the male aggressive…

Kiri: they don’t have testosterone.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: they’re not aggressive.

Russ: yet Lyka being an Oath Keeper has plenty.

Kiri: oh yeah, she has more than she can use.

Skip: she’s a jewel.

Kiri: which means that when she went into labor, they were trying to put an IV into her arm, guess what she did?

Russ: hmm?

Kiri: knocked the medic out. Told her that nobody was going to stick a needle in her except for her love.

Russ: so Leah put it in?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: yep.

Skip: she’s a sweetheart.

Kiri: she is a total sweetheart.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: good, congratulations on both fronts.

Skip: okay baby, thank you.

Kiri: okay, we're getting into idle chitchat and gossip. I was going to say something but……

Russ: we got two minutes.

Kiri: we’ve got two minutes left?

Russ: yeah.

Skip: oh yeah.

Russ: well maybe a couple more, the tape runs a longer than the forty five but generally about two minutes.
Kiri: and I will get around to a gossip column, I've just been way busy.

Russ: no, no, no, no hurry darling it’s….

Kiri: the gossip I like is the humorous, the funny, the fact of the punching out of the medic, I thought that was funny.

Russ: the corner bar, any more fun and excitement down there lately?

Kiri: it’s been pretty quiet there actually.

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh, the Wookies have been behaving themselves.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: the normal rowdy makers which was one of the coed platoons isn't on the base at the moment. The pilots have been kept too busy especially with the reorganization of the squadron to an elite squadron.

Skip: hmmm.

Kiri: so there’s going to be a lot of base personnel from the blue guys changing here shortly.

(Kiri coughs)

Russ: you okay there dear? Get Mark some water or something?

Kiri: no he’s fine.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I think that’s part of the problem that there's dust in here.

Russ: could be.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay….

Skip: that’s it for tonight then huh?

Kiri: I guess.

Skip: damn.

Kiri: it’s a wrap.

Skip: okay darling, see you next week.

Kiri: unless anybody wants to play banjos.

Russ: don't look at me darling.

Kiri: Tia is still echoing that in her mind at the moment. That was her light relief, dueling banjos. Okay, it’s a wrap.

Skip: good night love.

Russ: alright sweetheart, it’s been fun.

Kiri: night, leave the tape on whilst you guys talk, the after tape sessions always something that we would like to hear as well.

Russ: okay, have a lovely night dear.

Kiri: bye.

Skip: bye.

(We hear singing in the background from Russ as Mark makes his way back into his body)

Russ: good morning Mark.

Mark: greetings earthling.


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