SIDE ONE
(Kiri gets the night off
on topic)
Kiri: yo.
Russ: hey, what’s up
Kiri?
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: yo, yo, yo, yo.
Well, it’s been what, a month?
Skip: at least.
Russ: no it hasn’t……
Kiri: about three
weeks.
Russ: two weeks.
Skip: no.
Kiri: no.
Skip: three weeks.
Russ: three weeks,
that’s right.
Skip: it’s been at
least three weeks yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay,
how’s everybody going?
Russ: we just talked
about that as a matter of fact. I forgot to print
mine up tonight and his is……has not been worked on.
Kiri: ahhh.
Russ: but I’ve got some
URL's for him to give him tomorrow to make it work
very quickly.
Kiri: so let me guess,
you are requesting….
Skip: an extension.
Kiri: an extension.
(Skip starts laughing)
Russ: well it's either
that or I go off now and go print it up.
Kiri: that won't do.
Skip: well I have a
problem darling……
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: a romantic
problem, I got married.
Kiri: congratulations.
Skip: well thank you.
Kiri: where’s my cigar?
Skip: I ain’t having a
baby, I just got married.
(now we both started
laughing)
Kiri: now I’m confused.
Russ: Earth customs,
you don’t have cigars at weddings. What do you have
for weddings?
Skip: huh?
Russ: what do you have
for weddings? You don’t have cigars, what do you
have?
Skip: no, nothing.
Kiri: lots of booze.
Skip: everybody brings
something.
Russ: flowers.
Kiri: flowers yes,
flowers, flowers, flowers, pink flowers.
Russ: there you go.
Kiri: wrong season.
Skip: anyhow, darling
I’ve been goofing off to tell you the truth okay?
Kiri: okay.
Skip: I’m sorry, I
have.
Kiri: I understand,
family life is much more important than real.
Skip: I’ve been working
my bottom off and I just completely spaced it I’m
sorry.
Kiri: oh that’s all
right, I totally understand, I totally understand.
Skip: I did, I just
completely spaced it, I’m being honest about it.
Kiri: yes, honesty is
very important. So yours is done Russ right?
Russ: mine’s set and I
just have to print it up.
Kiri: okay I’d like to
see that next week, I’d also like to see Mark's as
soon as possible.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: okay, let’s get
down to the real business.
Skip: go ahead hon.
Kiri: and first of all,
how is everybody?
Russ: awesome,
incredible and fantastic….
Skip: I’m doing great
but I’m getting better.
Russ: have you seen
him? Can you please see him in the monitor if he’s
getting younger or healthy or something?
Kiri: he looks about
the same age, his aura is definitely brighter and
he's more boisterous but I think there’s an obvious
reason for that.
Russ: true, true.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: he does look
healthier.
Kiri: uh-huh, life will
do that to you.
Russ: marriage will
just take years off your life I guess.
Skip: there you go.
Russ: add them on in
some cases.
(yet more laughter over
that last)
Kiri: in his case, the
most important thing is happiness.
Russ: absolutely.
Kiri: okay which brings
me on to a very important topic, happiness.
Happiness and being self-confident in what you do
and how that affects your spiritual being. If you’re
spiritually happy, nine times out of ten you’re
physically happy, mentally happily and happy in your
relationships. Somebody that is constantly seeking
doesn’t appear to be as happy because they don’t
know what they’re looking for. They haven’t settled
for one thing so that they’re constantly looking and
searching and they’re not happy with what they’ve
got and if they’re not happy with what they’ve got,
they’re not happy with what they have and they’re
not happy with who they are which is important. The
most important thing is happiness of being who we
are. I’m happy to be Kiri, I’m happy to be the way
that I am, my body in my opinion is perfect, my
outlook on life is perfect, I’m very, very happy.
But if you take some other people that appear to be
constantly complaining and striving and looking and
searching but have no specific goal, then are
they’re happy? No they’re not.
Skip: no, uh-uh.
Kiri: we’ve seen quite
a lot of examples recently of people that are
striving and looking and searching and they’re not
happy. (Name edited out) was one. She is a searcher,
she is not happy, she is not happy with what she’s
searching for so therefore she retreats and hides
and changes her name and changes her personality at
a whim which suggests that she is not happy with
herself. All the negative stuff in the world that
can happen to somebody does not have anything to do
with their outlook, what has to do with their
outlook is whether they’re happy with what they are.
Now the environment around them nine times out of
ten does contribute to that factor and the factor is
that in your society you have the ideal woman.
Whether her name is Christine Brinkley, Uma
Thurman….
Russ: Cindy Crawford.
Kiri: Cindy Crawford,
Nicole Kidman, they are perfect, they have the
perfect body, they’re slim, they’re fairly tall,
they’re perfectly proportioned…...…what's it, Cindy
Crawford is the one with the eyebrow?
Russ: no she got the
mole.
Kiri: okay, now who’s
the one with the eyebrow?
Russ: Uma Thurman.
Kiri: the continuous
eyebrow? There’s one that has…..nevermind. But those
ladies or those women are actually happy with as
they are, they don’t go around wanting facelifts and
so on, they’re happy as who they are and
unfortunately society looks up to them and idolizes
them and says that you have to be like these people
which is total tosh and bunk, it's total baloney,
it’s totally irresponsible. There are some people
that are naturally frumpy, there are some people
that are naturally skinny, there are other people
that naturally have acne problems, that’s who they
are. If they learn to be happy with themselves then
they are truly happy and they can be spiritually
happy, physically and mentally happy. Now on the guy
front, you got people like Tom Cruise, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Tom Hanks and they’re all fairly
good-looking, muscular men and again they are happy
with who they are.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: and men have to
live up to those standards. You know Fabio, you have
to be strong, muscular and good-looking. Again that
is total tosh, total bunk. The most important person
that you have to look up to is yourself. Be
yourself, be who you are, be who you want to be, not
who somebody else is. You can’t be Tom Cruise can
you Russ? You can’t be Tom Hanks Skip.
Skip: no.
Kiri: both of you were
happy as you are.
Russ: oh yeah.
Skip: uh-huh, I worked
the same trade for 48 years, I guess I’m happy with
me, I’ve enjoyed it.
Kiri: you just said it
right there, not in how you said it but the way you
were saying it, you are laughing, that is happiness,
that is contentment. It's good to strive to improve
yourself but to live up to a standard that is
somebody else’s standard is wrong. The most
important thing is to be happy with who you are…….
Skip: that’s it.
Kiri: regardless of who
you are. As I keep on saying, you can’t be Cindy
Crawford, you can’t be Tom Hanks, you can’t be
Arnold Schwarzenegger, you can't be Nicole Kidman,
you’ve got to be who you are.
Russ: yeah we’re not
guaranteed those people are all happy with
themselves either.
Kiri: no.
Russ: Cindy Crawford
might look at Nicole Kidman and want to be more like
her.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: we don’t know
these things.
Skip: my favorite
comment is, God didn’t make any junk.
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. You are
who you are which is my dissertation tonight is
being who you are. Now once you’ve achieved the
understanding that you are who you are….
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: then you can
start on true happiness. Not living up to anybody
else’s standards, be yourself, be who you are. Not
some idealized version, you’ll never get that,
you’ll never ever get that. You’ve got to be who you
are. I am Kiri Tanaka, I’m happy, I’m very happy,
I’m very contented and in being very contented I can
focus on the more important things like learning
more about my engineering, learning more about
electronics, learning more about my spirituality
which is the most important things, not just one but
all of them are just as important. Learning the
spirituality, learning the happiness, learning the
development in your chosen field of business.
Skip: Kiri you just
said the magic word……
Kiri: which magic words
were those?
Skip: learning.
Kiri: learning,
exactly.
Skip: that’s it
exactly.
Kiri: uh-huh. Learning
is very important, first of all learn to be
yourself, secondly learn to use this as I point to
the host’s head, learn to use this gray matter in
here. That will bring happiness, not all the money
in the world, not all……..what’s one of Mark’s
favorite comments? Money hasn’t brought him
happiness…..
Skip: uh-uh.
Russ:
uh-uh.
Kiri: it’s brought him
pain, grief and aggravation.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: when you don’t
have it you struggle and you’re a lot more happier
than when you do have it and you don’t have to
struggle because you’re worrying about other things.
I’ve heard Mark talk about it and I’m paraphrasing
him. There are a lot of times where it has caused
him nothing but pain and aggravation and when he’s
done without it he’s been very happy.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: he struggles, he
works hard and struggling and working hard is good
for your human condition because it gives you goals
and objectives, it gives you advancements.
Skip: it also makes you
appreciate it more.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay
questions.
Russ: yeah, I have one.
Your dissertation contradicted itself in one
important fact…
Kiri: okay.
Russ: mainly at the
start and at the end.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: at the start you
said people are unhappy because they are struggling,
at the end you said working hard and struggling
makes you happy.
Kiri: ahh, they’re
struggling with themselves. Let me preface my
opening comments by saying that they struggle with
themselves.
Russ: I’ll put that in
later on then.
Kiri: yes.
Skip: not financially.
Kiri: if you struggle
with yourself, struggle with who you are, then
you’ve got problems. If you struggle financially you
don’t have problems, well you do but it’s something
of a challenge that you enjoy and relish. If you’re
constantly struggling with yourself, then you can’t
concentrate on the second struggle of improving
yourself. The struggle is with being happy with who
you are, that’s why I did the long thing about being
a struggle about Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Cindy Crawford, Nicole Kidman……
Skip: somebody's trying
to be something you’re not, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, any
more questions?
Skip: uh-uh.
Russ: uh-uh, thank you.
Skip: I think you’ve
done just fine babe.
Kiri: okay. I’ll be
back.
Skip: okay.
Russ: later.
Kiri: I’ll keep my
knickers on.
Russ: oh good.
(Omal
follows one talk on happiness with another)
Omal: greetings and
felicitations, greetings Skip, greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Skip: good evening
Omal.
Omal: and how is
everyone functioning?
Russ: excellent.
Skip: excellent, great
and getting better.
Omal: that is good.
Congratulations Skip.
Skip: oh thank you sir,
I appreciate that.
Omal: you are welcome.
And how does it feel to be no longer a single man?
Skip: very, very, nice.
Omal: that is good.
Okay, let me continue with Kiri’s comments and Russ
you were good to pick up on the contradiction, I was
going to bring that up but it is not necessary. What
Kiri has decided to open up is an interesting
learning experience which is something that
unfortunately is frequently neglected is the
happiness of oneself with oneself.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: the understanding
that to be in harmony with yourself means that you
are in harmony with everything and Kiri has somewhat
jumped around the edges of dealing with focusing in
on achieving that happiness first before expanding
out. And it is not a long, drawn out, protracted,
self-defeating purpose but a purpose that you focus
within yourself so that you can become contented
with who you are. And it is a short process that
first of all you have to accept who you are, not as
Kiri put it some idealized version of some movie
star, it is important to be contented with what you
are given, what you start off life with. And your
body constantly changes as it progresses through its
natural, evolutionary cycle to a better condition to
the point where you now have the abilities to
develop yourself in happiness, being who you are.
And in doing so you achieve the harmony around you,
you become more contactable by others, other
creatures of your planet, other spiritual entities
which brings you up higher which in turn increases
your happiness and you feel happier, you transmit
that happiness and in turn it is returned to you
again with a higher level of happiness. So to be
unhappy with who you are means that you have less of
that happiness and people do not reflect it back at
you which does not increase itself so you stay at
that level where you’re neither regressing or
advancing, you stay an unhappy individual. But, as
soon as you start to smile and are happy and
contented with who you are, that is reflected to
other people who in turn reflect it back amplified
and you in turn feel more happiness and reflect it
out even more and so on in an escalating pattern
which continually gets better. Of course there are
moments where you have to deal with negative
situations but if you maintain that happy, external
experience, then you do not subtract from it when
you have to deal with negative or depressing or
harmful situations. Okay, do we have questions?
Russ: ten or twelve.
Omal: okay let us start
off with Skip and we will go backwards and forwards
if you have some questions that is Skip.
Skip: well, I guess I
operated my whole life under the positive aspect of
it which made me feel more appreciated because I
respect other people because I respect myself.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: and like you say,
it reflects back to you more than twofold, whatever
you give out you always get back.
Omal: that is correct.
Skip: and I’m trying to
teach my grandson this and he’s slowly getting the
lesson........
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: but he is a young
man and he’s growing and it just takes time.
Omal: well did you pick
it up to start off with as quickly as you do now?
Skip: no.
Omal: so you have to
remember….
Skip: well, I have a
little comment that I always tell the kids, when I
was 15 my dad was the dumbest individual I had ever
met in my life and by the time I turned 21 he was
pretty smart.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: in other words I
was pretty stupid, I knew everything at 15.
Omal: that is correct.
Skip: and by the time I
got to 21 I realized that hey I wasn’t that smart,
it was just my dad that was that smart. And I try to
instill this in the young people and they’re slowly
learning, they’re slowly learning.
Omal: it is something
that takes time.
Skip: yeah.
Omal: but all beings go
through that learning phase, whether it is over many
years or a few days, all beings go through that
learning experience to accept that we do not know
everything.
Skip: yeah.
Omal: I do not know
everything, I am not some super intelligent, pan-dimensional
being. I'm certainly a pan-dimensional being but I’m
not super intelligent, not by those that are my
idols, the people that I look up to, they are far
more intelligent than I am. It is like comparing
yourself to the feline, you are far more intelligent
than the average feline but there again there are
people that are more intelligent than you.
Skip: oh yeah.
Omal: to come to that
balance and accepting as Kiri puts it who you are is
very important and once you accept that, then you
can help others by aiding them in your learning
process by saying, "this is what I’ve learned."
Dealing with the younger people of your species,
they seem to forget that you were once their age
too.
Skip: yeah.
Omal: it may have been
some time ago but the things that they think, you
think or thought, the way that they behave, you
behaved.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: to quote one of
your famous earth sayings, "as I am now, so you
shall be." And that is something that they do not
understand that you were once just as young, just as
foolish, just as smart, just as witty, just as
mischievous as they are now. Certainly the tools
around them are different than from earlier times
but the physical experiences do not change.
Skip: they’re all the
same.
Omal: uh-huh. Okay let
us go to Russ’ question.
Russ: okay. I don't
have all that many I was just joking but the one
thing I do have is that when we're growing up we
have around us so many examples of other people’s
happiness and other people’s sadness and tragedies
and we always want to emulate or reach those persons
who have the happiness and usually try to follow
their examples that they went through in the hopes
that was the secret that led to their happiness and
maybe it will bring us some too. So sometimes that
means getting as much money as you can or getting
the best job or the best wife or the best car,
whatever that made those people happy is what you
think will make you happy. And then you look at
people who live in monasteries or communes and
things who have nothing and yet they’re very happy.
And it’s like well which way do I go?
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: do I have nothing
and try to go that way and try to live in a commune
and see if I’m happy there or do I go become rich
and see if I have all my problems taken away because
I don’t have to worry about money anymore? And I’m
telling you it’s a lot of conflicts I think in
people as they grow up and try to decide which way
to become happy when actually it is really all in
themselves to find that but there’s the question,
how do they actually focus in on what will make them
happy without actually having to go through these
other experiences to do so?
Omal: unfortunately it
is trial and error, I cannot give you a set pattern
because one size does not fit all. I can say for me
I did this, I did that, it brought me happiness but
it may not work for either of you.
Russ: definitely won’t
work for either of us.
Skip: I done the same
thing, I’ve done the exact same thing.
Omal: you have to find
what it is that makes you happy. Is it helping
people, is it struggling, is it a combination of the
two, is it something else, is it creating something
with your hands, is it talking, is it sitting down
and dwelling deep within, is it all of those, is it
none of those? First of all you have to look within
yourself before you can look without and the answers
are normally very close to the surface that you can
find readily and quickly. To understand that you
have to be self-reliant is the next step, nobody can
make you happy, you first have to make yourself
happy. As Kiri said, first use the brain before you
learn other things, you have to think before you do
anything else. What brings happiness, what makes you
contented? Having achieved that, then you can go out
and be a happy maker, making other people happy so
that it reflects back on yourself and in turn you
give more so that they give more back and so on. It
is like depositing money in a bank account, the more
that you put in, the more that you get back. But it
is not one thing, it is many things, one size does
not fit all. Okay, next question please.
Skip: that’s sufficient
for me.
Omal: okay let us deal
to Mr. 11 questions left.
Russ: no I actually
have a two-parter though.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay. When you
are......experience happiness, you actually have to
go out and you have to experience sadness and
troubles and things that make you really depressed
in your life to really understand the opposite of
that is being happy. With that, you have to kind of
I guess come to the realization at some point in
your life that all of that was some kind of a lesson
that helped you grow into being happy. I myself have
gone through many experiences where I went to the
pits of despair but now I can just look back on them
as just well that was a great lesson to go through.
But when you’re the middle of those pits of despair,
there’s nothing that you think will ever bring you
back up again and it’s really kind of, where do you
find that single ray of hope in that pits of
despair? I mean a lot of people find it in religion,
a lot of people find it just little things but I
know nothing is all one thing for everyone but is
there something like an idea that could be brought
out to help in that point?
Omal: yes, one very
simple one, planning on how to get out of that
predicament. If you do this you know that will
happen so you have to plan moment-by-moment on your
improvements. But it is a misconception that you
seem to be very well unknowing of that you have to
have the negative to experience the positive. You do
not. If you have negative experiences it makes the
happy moments more enjoyable but if you never have a
negative moment you're constantly happy. You never
know what it is to experience pain, suffering or as
you put it the depths of despair, those are unknown
to you. So it is a misconception to say that you
have to have both, you do not have to have both and
the reason is and a very simple reason is why? You
don’t need despair to appreciate happiness, you know
happiness for what it is. It makes you feel good, it
makes you feel well but you do have to have
happiness to understand and appreciate and find the
struggle in despair because without it you do not
know any different. If you’re constantly in an
environment where it is despair, despair, despair,
depressed, depressed, depressed and you have never
experienced happiness that is all you know.
Happiness is unknown to you and it’s the same with
being constantly happy, despair and depression is an
unknown to you. So to say that you have to have one
to experience the other is wrong but it becomes
known that despair is a bad place when you
experience happiness but if you experience just
happiness, despair is unknown to you. You
understand?
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: okay second part
please.
Russ: okay, when you
have this despair or the happiness, isn’t it
something like a drug, kind of like a need to have
that happiness to be constantly happy because
happiness does make you healthier and despair makes
you sicker?
Omal: I refer you to
the answer I gave two moments ago. You do not know
better if you have never experienced one or the
other.
Skip: well I think we
all put ourselves in a position of despair or
depression or whatever and then work our way out of
it and I really believe that.
Omal: it is for a
reason that when you do that you do that for a
reason but if you’ve never experienced one or the
other you do not know better or you do not know
worse.
Russ: hmmm.
Omal: if despair is a
constant situation that you experience continually,
then how do you know what happiness is?
Skip: or vice a versa.
Omal: correct.
Skip: uh-huh, but I
think we do that to ourselves, I really believe we
do.
Omal: you could be
right, you could be very right. Okay next question
please.
Russ: no that’s it.
Skip: that’s…..
Omal: that is it?
Skip: that's it, thank
you very much.
Omal: I despair
sometimes.
(we both break into
laughter)
Skip: thanks Omal.
Omal: in the 3 ½ weeks
that we have had I have been studying your humor.
Russ: well you’re doing
quite better.
Omal: thank you.
Russ: as opposed to
those first attempts.
Omal: I have had some
dismal failures that is so depressing but now it is
something I hope to be able to inflect a little bit
better into a more humorous environment. I’ve always
stated using humor is a very useful learning tool.
Russ: always.
Omal: and I will repeat
my phrasing from some time ago that you remember the
lessons more easily if they’re humorous.
Skip: that's correct.
Russ: that was a long
time ago.
Omal: long time ago?
Skip: yeah.
Russ: yeah.
Omal: maybe to you it
was, to me it was a blinking of the eye.
Skip: yeah right but
you are correct.
Omal: uh-huh. Okay, as
you do not have any more questions, I will say live
long, prosper and, I’ll be back.
Skip: thanks Omal.
Russ: thanks Omal.
(Kiri returns to bring
on the base's resident senior gardener)
Skip: he’s doing quite
well.
Russ: uh-huh. Hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo.
Russ: I personally
think that happiness is an art.
Kiri: you also forget
that to Omal, time is an irrelevant thing.
Skip: humor is not.
Kiri: oh humor, he’s
learning.
Skip: yes he is, he’s
doing very well.
Russ: he’s got a paint
brush and is definitely painting.
Skip: yes he is, he’s
doing great.
Kiri: yes he’s painting
some very interesting pictures. I was just thinking
for a second, I was going to say something and
decided not to.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay let
me put on the next speaker.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: okay........no.
(said to someone on the
base)
(Treebeard
comes on to get us to the end of the side)
Treebeard: greetings.
Russ: greetings
Treebeard.
Treebeard: I am of
well, you are being of?
Russ: well.
Skip: well, very good.
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: thank you.
We are tonight of discussing answers that you may
being of having for questions.
Russ: yeah well we’re
on a topic of happiness…….
Treebeard: uh-huh.
Russ: at the present
moment and one of the things that I’ve noticed is
that concerning with yourself, nature and happiness.
Down here we have a factor that people closer to
nature or living closer to nature are in a better
spirits and live slower lifestyles as opposed to
those who live farther from nature in the big cities
and such. And I’m not quite sure if the nature is
the reason for that or just the fact that people
have forgotten about nature?
Treebeard: I am
thinking that you are missing point that in of
places where lots of people being, it is hurry,
hurry, hurry whereas being in tune with nature,
living with nature being around you, it is of more
following nature's timetable that when season of
white rain is being of coming it is for you to hurry
to be ready for that time but when it is days of
long and nights of short you are not in of hurry to
do as lot as possible when time of white rain being
of coming. Once that time has laid a blanket on
ground, then you return to it is not of hurry to do
things because it is not possible to hurry because
white rain being difficult for you to maneuver
through. So living in place where you are closer to
of land and nature means that it is less of
importance to hurry, hurry, hurry except of time
when preparing for great white rain.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: okay and then
when the white rain is gone, it’s time to hurry to
get the plants into the ground so that they can grow
through the summertime.
Treebeard: I would not
be saying of hurry, what is there is resting til it
is no longer covered by white rain, it is there
asleep ready for rebirth. If you wish to add to it
you make timetable that is necessary for that hurry
but having done that it is your choice not of
nature’s choice.
Skip: uh-huh.
Treebeard: but it is
something that you can say tomorrow if you so wish
whereas living in place where people live packed
tight together it is, "I have today to do that
because tomorrow person up street wants me to do
something for them" so you hurry there whereas it is
not so necessary to hurry where you live in place
with plenty of nature close at hand.
Russ: hmmm, so it’s
almost a question of seasons too, seasons of
nature......
Skip: yeah.
Russ: to really affect
that.
Skip: yeah because your
winter and your summer, your summer is kind of a
kick back, "I can do it tomorrow." In the winter it
says, "no you can’t kick back, you just kick back
and relax till it’s gone."
Treebeard: it is
difficult, let me not say difficult, it is much
better being able of probing because Skip is saying
of what I would’ve said but in way for you to more
easy understand. So when I say nothing when
finishing comment, it meaning of that I know what is
about to come which is answer to questions which was
about to being of asked.
Russ: that speeds up
things.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh,
uh-huh, uh-huh.
Treebeard: I would say
so tremendously, it saves me having to think,
analyze and speak. But next of statement is that it
is never time to of hurry for hurrying brings things
faster than you may be of wishing.
Skip: uh-huh.
Treebeard: tomorrow is
soon enough.
Russ: hmm and enjoying
the moment.
Skip: yeah.
Treebeard: in doing so
that is correct.
Skip: yeah. Okay.
Treebeard: okay for
your recording of, next question.
Russ: oh, Skip?
Skip: no, I run my
mouth enough. (laughs)
Russ: okay, we’re
preparing now for our next season of snow or white
rain and it's kind of that time period where it’s
not quite to a point where we have to start rushing
to prepare for it but at the same time it’s kind of
on the back of our minds as it’s ready to come. Now
from looking at it, it does seem to provide a bit of
pressure on some people subconsciously that the
summer is over and life is just going by a little
faster now that the next season is about to hit. I
suppose in places where they don’t have those
problems maybe they don’t have those pressures?
Treebeard: they find of
other pressures to replacing of those. From
listening of what Omal said is that if you do not
have one set of pressures you find others to replace
them.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Russ: oh.
Skip: just like in the
tropics you got your monsoon rains.
Russ: that’s true.
Skip: same thing as our
winters only in a different form so they'd have
pressures there too.
Treebeard: or reverse
being of place of great dry. You have period of
little rain important to harvest and secure as much
rain as quickly as possible. For long time may be of
coming without of rain so you being of creating your
own necessary pressures for advancement and
struggle.
Skip: yep, I can see
that.
Russ: yeah now that’s a
good point you bring up Treebeard, advancement and
struggle.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: now the topic
that we’ve been working on has been as with Kiri and
Omal the struggle and being happy with that
struggle.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: so I guess the
key here is a way to find the happiness throughout
that struggle no matter whether you have the
pressures of snow, drought, typhoons or monsoons and
just maintain that balance.
Treebeard: uh-huh, that
is what of seeming to be going with topics of
tonight. Maybe a good name would be struggle for
recording device?
Russ: hmm, good call.
Skip: okay, I’ll give
you a for instance with me.
Russ: okay.
Skip: you said I looked
younger and I look happier.
Russ: yeah absolutely.
Skip: okay, I can tell
you why, I’m not happy unless I’m responsible for
somebody.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: that is my
struggle, that's my life okay? Nobody else’s, mine
and I’m happy with that. And when I don’t have that
I’m not that happy.
Russ: well you’re
right, I've got a son now and I’m just the happiest
person you’d ever see in your entire life.
Skip: because you’ve
got the responsibility and the struggle to do this.
Russ: good point.
Skip: I got married,
I've got the responsibility of a wife and a grandson
and I got that struggle to take care of them.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: and I’m happy,
I’ve always been happy with being responsible for
somebody else. I don’t know how else to put it but
that’s the truth. But I know me.
Russ: and Treebeard
you’ve been responsible for a few people in your
life.
Treebeard: yes I have
been of so. Sorry for being distracted, I was on
intimate discussion with other person.
Skip: no problem.
Treebeard: yes, I am
being of responsible in past, now I’m not
responsible but being responsible in of indirect of
way. I bring happiness because I caretake of plants
until ready to being planted. I am responsible to my
two pets as you would be saying of.
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: snake and
rabbit are being of trusting on me to provide food
for them to being of taking care of.
Skip: uh-huh.
Treebeard: I watch over
rabbit to make sure rabbit is not of dinner for
snake.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Treebeard: in turn I
make snake happy and not wanting of eating rabbit so
it is something of necessary to be I am responsible
for. I am responsible for making plants ready for
people to have happiness so I receive that
happiness.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: so responsibility
in context is something that's a necessary thing for
all of us to be happy.
Treebeard: I am
thinking of yes.
Russ: that would be a
good cure for people in depression, things like
that.
Skip: become
responsible for other people or other things.
Russ: sure.
Skip: animals whatever.
It’s just like they put out a bit here not too long
ago that elderly people live longer if they have
pets.
Russ: or responsible
like a job…….
Skip: right.
Russ: things like that.
Treebeard: it is not
being responsible or having, it is something else
that you are of missing.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: go ahead.
Treebeard: it is of
need.
Skip, okay, alright.
Russ: hmmm, good point.
Treebeard: you are
being of needed, not being responsible for not
taking care of, you are being of needed.
Russ: that’s a better
word.
Skip: that’s a good
point.
Treebeard: snake is
needing of me, Lipitus is needing of me, people here
are needing of me because of my gifts of plants.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: we need you for
your gift of conversation and the ability to answer
our…..
Skip: intelligence.
Russ: yeah absolutely.
Skip: your
intelligence.
Treebeard: I am
thanking you for that. Former ringmaster, he was no
longer feeling of needed. (The
Baron.)
Skip: yes, yes.
Russ: definitely.
Treebeard: even though
he had small family left, he did not feel of needed
so it was end for him. It was not of sadness that he
being feeling no longer needed but feeling of time
for him to say goodbye so that he will be needed
again in something that is more suitable for
needing.
Skip: yeah
okay.........
SIDE ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(As the tape is
turned over, Kiri has come back)
Kiri: I'm needed.
Russ: oh you’re
very needed.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: yes you
are.
Kiri: and not
just for my brains either, my body.
Skip: oh?
Russ: I thought
it would be your mothering ability.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Okay, let me put on the next speaker as I’m needed
to be the ring mistress. God, these shorts are
tight.
Russ: keep them
on.
(Karra
sits in the channeling field as her sister
departs)
Karra: hello.
Russ: good
evening my lady.
Karra: hello.
Skip: hi baby.
Karra: hello,
congratulations Skip.
Skip: thank you
darling, appreciate it.
Karra: you are
welcome, it is something that always brings me
great joy when I hear news of bonding. Sometimes
it is not appropriate for two individuals to bond
but when they decide and there is importance in it
then that is good. When it is done without the
serious intent on either one party or another,
then that is wrong but I’m not going to say
whether it is right or wrong. My feelings on bond
mates are always kept within myself. I share those
feelings sometimes with my love but in your case
I'm very, very happy and I will say so. I am very
happy for both you and your charming lady. It is
something that you both need.
Skip: yeah we do,
yeah we do.
Karra: and to
finish off what Treebeard was saying, not only do
you need your lady but she needs you.
Skip: yep, even
her health is improved a thousand percent since
we've got together.
Karra: whereas
somebody that needs more than the other person,
that is useful too but nurturing can be a problem
sometimes. Okay, now I’m going to address
something that got me very annoyed. Somebody that
has taken needing to a extremely high art, the
needing of conflict, the needing for people to
feel sorry for them, the needing for people to
take care of them, the needing to be permanently
handicapped, the needing to be addicted. Now for
years we have talked about all of these things,
people that are users?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: and
recently all of you had the learning lesson of
coming across a true user, not only using people
but the things around them to achieve their goals
and their objectives. I don’t think we need to
mention any names.
Skip: I don’t
think so.
Karra: but it is
a lesson to be used, an opportunity to say, “okay,
somebody like that, what can you do for them?”
Skip: whoa…..
Karra: now…….
Russ: there's a
big question.
Skip: that’s a
hard question darling.
Russ: yeah.
Skip: that is a
hard one.
Karra: what can
you do for them? A person that needs everything.
Russ: yeah we’ve
discussed this many times in the past.
Karra: uh-huh and
what has been my answer? You do nothing for them.
Russ: correct.
Karra: because
when you try to help them………
Skip: they keep
taking advantage of you.
Karra: and they
keep taking it and they keep taking it so you are
feeding their need.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: but if you
take away the food or the need, then they have the
opportunity of learning that lesson that maybe it
is not a good thing and it is their choice whether
or not they wish to learn or move on to the next
person to be used or the next thing to be used or
the next creature to be used.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: now
sometimes those individuals can be very, very
dangerous, very dangerous. They learn from the
situations that they're in, they take their
knowledge and then they use it against those
individuals to harm. But the lesson that they fail
to understand is that if the individual that
they’ve taken the knowledge from is stronger than
they are which most of them are, and that person
stands up against that individuals misuse of their
knowledge, then they can defeat them very, very
easily and it is if they are impervious to any
harm that may be done by that person. For example,
something that we got a good chuckle out of,
pentagrams. Okay Russ, what happens to an
unprotected pentagram when built with intent, not
just a star, not just a drawing that a child could
do but when it is built with intent?
Russ: well it
just basically spreads out from the center.
Karra: uh-huh and
where does that energy go?
Russ: back to the
person who put it there, it’s looking for a home.
Karra: uh-huh, it
goes to the builder. The person who builds the
pentagram that is unprotected gets back what they
reap plus but where does that power come from?
That power doesn’t come from the symbol on the
ground because it’s just a symbol.
Russ: it goes
back to the person who built it.
Karra: it comes
from here, the mind. Poor Mark’s head, he’s
getting a pounding tonight. It comes from the
mind, their belief that that will work and when
they discover that an unprotected or an un-circled
pentagram which is just a symbol on the ground
which is no more harmful than anything, that’s
when it becomes harmful is because of their
belief.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: and the
others around them their belief that an
unprotected symbol of any kind sends the energy
back to the builder of that symbol.
Russ: yeah I’m
very careful about drawing anything that has to do
with pentagrams.
Skip: yeah me
too, me too.
Karra: but it’s
just a symbol but what makes it powerful………..
Skip: it’s what
you think.
Karra: exactly.
Russ: but the
thing is though with the pentagram, it has a
racial memory attached to it that no matter how
you draw it, you evoke that memory in the building
of it whether it’s for fun or whatever, you still
put a bit of intent into it just from your
subconscious I think.
Karra: correct,
correct but what is the most powerful thing on
your planet?
Skip: your mind.
Karra: exactly.
Not the atomic bomb, not the symbols that you
produce because all of those come from one place……
Skip: a person’s
mind.
Karra: that’s
correct. So when dealing with somebody that is a
user, the best way to defeat them if they’re
causing harm is to not to play their game. As soon
as you play their game or as soon as you realize
that you are being used, you step back, you
disengage and therefore they can no longer use
you. So from this whole entire incident what have
we learned?
Russ: the best
defense is no offense.
Karra: is to use
their beliefs against them, to stop playing their
game…..
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: to send
them on their way. If they wish to learn from you
and use what you have taught them then that is
fine. Maybe they will learn something good, if
they don’t that’s not your problem, you’ve done
the best that you can until the point you realize
you’re being used. But on the other side there is
a side that you have done good by trying to help
somebody even though they didn’t want the help
they claim they did, you have done good and you
have learned something. You have learned about
yourself, you have learned how to handle and deal
with those people that use other people.
Skip: yeah
there’s lots of them.
Karra: uh-huh
unfortunately.
Skip: lots of
them.
Karra: yes,
having watched your planet very carefully with the
aid of Russ, I have seen a lot of users. Some of
them have been helped, some of them confess to
have been helped, some of them play at being
helped and others just totally "Phppt". Okay, I have my
little sister going…..
Russ: take care
my love.
Karra: okay, I
wish I could talk longer.
Skip: thanks
babe.
Karra: okay.
Catch you later Skip, congratulations.
Skip: thank you
babe.
Karra: and…..love
you.
Russ: love you
too babe.
(Kiri is back to
get us to the next speaker)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Actually she blushes and gets very flattered when
you say, "love you babe." Considering that she is
older than both of you, it’s a big compliment for
her. Well as I’m older than you Russ….
Russ: well yeah
that’s true.
Kiri: I think I'm
a year younger than you are?
(speaking to
Skip)
Kiri: I'm
60.......how many years in your counting?
Russ: well….
Kiri: I'm 66.
Russ: hard to
say, Mars is a different rotation than….
Kiri: uh-huh,
that’s beside the point.
Skip: I’ll be 66
in two months.
Kiri: I'm a
little older then. Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, I
am older and younger. Okay let me put on……
Skip: well if you
rejuvenate me I'll be a lot younger darling.
Kiri: I haven't
had a rejuvenation yet, don’t need one for a
while. Okay, going to put on the last speaker.
(Tia
takes her turn to give us an overview of world
events)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in
Durondedunn)
Tia: I can't stay
too long, I’m real busy tonight, I’ve got to go
back to my office. First of all, be prepared for a
communiqué.
Russ: communiqué.
Tia: okay now the
reason why I may be releasing a communiqué and
I’ve been in a lot of meetings recently and you'll
have to excuse me thinking and talking fast. Okay
we have had earthquakes in Taiwan, we've had
rioting in East Timor, we've had problems in
Malaysia, we've had earthquakes in Turkey, we've
had stock markets continuing on a downward slide,
what do all things add up to?
Russ: possible
defcon alert.
Tia: that is
correct.
Russ: or upgrade.
Tia: which would
take us to defcon
two.
Russ: right.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: all these
things are happening externally to your country
except for the stock market keeps on sliding. What
is going on is a moment for us......we have been
teetering on the edge of declaring a defcon
two for the past three days.
Skip: okay.
tia: okay, this
is nothing negative for your localized area, this
is a worldwide alert because of all the things
going on in other places. Most of them are in what
you call developing country areas which at the
moment is something that is stopping us from
announcing that defcon
two level but if they continue to occur, such
things as hurricanes, riots, mass killings,
sliding in the market, you have had within the
space of three weeks, you’ve had…..
Russ:
encephalitis breakout in New York.
Tia: you've had
some major occurrences. You've had major
earthquakes in Taiwan, you've had major
earthquakes in Turkey, you've had major
earthquakes......there's somewhere else recently
but you've had bomb blasts in the Soviet Union,
you've had warfare breaking out in Dagestan and
Chechnya. You’ve had military attacks, you've had
hurricanes, you’ve had volcanic activities, you've
had a lot of things going on in the space of three
weeks.
Skip: shooting
rampages.
Russ: shooting
rampages.
Tia: shooting
rampages, you’ve had many negative events
occurring. This is nothing to do with the turn of
the millennium.
Russ: oh it’s
not?
Tia: the
millennium turns in another year and 90 days
thereabouts. What is going on is normal, natural
phenomenons that are occurring close together
unfortunately. The natural phenomenons, they
happen from time to time in a space like that. The
fighting's and so on are not anything to do with
the turn of the millennium or the supposed turn
the millennium in 90 days which is a misnomer and
inaccurate. What they are to do with is religious
problems. To start off with the problem in
Chechnya and Dagestan, I sided with the rebels, I
was incorrect in this, I want to clear that up
right now. Having done more research and studied
it in closer detail, I’m now siding with the
government. The actual people that are creating
the fighting are a very small minority that
believe it is their right to force their will on
the majority. To give you an idea on how small
this minority is, you’re talking less than 1%,
less than 1% is creating the current problem. So
anybody that complains that the poor rebels are
being picked upon and hurt is incorrect. They’re
not rebels, they're terrorists, they are forcing
their will on other people. Is that the action of
a rebel, is that the action of a religious sect?
No, that is the actions of terrorists. They're
bandits, they’re using religion as a tool for
their own ends. The reason why I sound strongly
vehement in that is the fact that I goofed. I made
a mistake in my judgment but I am correcting that
now and anger is not directed at them or directed
at the government, it is anger at myself for
making that mistake, a foolish mistake. Okay do we
have any questions?
Skip: well would
that terrorist action exist in the bombings in
Russia also?
Tia: that is
correct.
Skip: okay.
Tia: that is the
action of terrorists. Okay, next question.
Russ: well East
Timor is a....that’s a political problem there.
Tia: that’s
correct.
Russ: but now
what do you see as the possible outcome out of all
this independence that's being forced upon
Indonesia for that particular area?
Tia: I see it as
a very dangerous move. Certainly the majority of
the people thought that it was the right move,
certainly the government of Indonesia felt that it
was a wrong move, both parties in this case were
at fault.......
Russ: hmmm.
Tia: for the
simple reason East Timor cannot survive without
Indonesia, Indonesia can survive without East
Timor but it is wrong for them to force their will
on the majority of the people in that area even
though the majority in actual fact is a minority
of Indonesia. They gave them the opportunity to
vote for their independence, they voted for it and
unfortunately they made a choice which was harmful
and innocent people were hurt. So it is something
that both parties are at fault. That’s something
I’m keeping out of but I'm watching carefully.
Next question.
Skip: no.
Russ: okay, we’re
just entering into the hurricane season now, we're
also entering into a point where the interest
rates are being looked at as being rising soon.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: that along
with another earthquake that could possibly strike
anywhere along that Pacific rim area that’s
already building up we could see a defcon alert
pretty quick then because of all that?
Tia: and that is
quite possible. In fact when I leave here I’m
going back to a meeting, I’m going back to a
meeting with the Council of 12 where we’re going
to sit down and discuss it. That’s where Omal
went.
Russ: okay one
last question is......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: on the
earthquakes in the Pacific rim, we’ve had one
major one in Turkey and one major one in Taiwan,
hasn’t that relieved a lot of stresses on that
particular plates and we might not see anything
for a while?
Tia: they’re not
connected to the Pacific plate. The one in Turkey
is the European plate, the one in Taiwan is on
the……..oh what’s that?
Russ: it’s not
the Japanese plate?
Tia: yet it’s on
the Japanese plate that’s not on your side
however, not being fully versed on the theory
behind it I can assume that even though it’s
released pressure in that area, that the movement
is building up pressure elsewhere. Where I don't
know.
Skip: oh okay.
Russ: tectonics
or something I'll have to look into myself.
Skip: I was going
ask.
Tia: now if it
slides gently than that is not a problem, I really
don’t know, I’m not a……
Skip: because it
couldn’t be building up pressure on this side of
the Pacific
Tia: uh-huh or it
could be building up pressure further along down
there. Anyway, anymore questions?
Skip: no honey.
Tia: okay, I've
got to go.
Skip: thank you
Russ: thanks Tia.
Tia: I can’t take
his body with me can I?
(we both laugh)
Skip: good night
sweetheart.
(Kiri
uses up the rest of the side as a guide tutorial)
Russ: I hadn’t
thought of that.
Skip: that could
be building up the pressure on this side.
Russ: I’m not
sure how that works.
Kiri: she worries
me sometimes.
Russ: .......the
plate slipped. If it slipped toward the Pacific
plate?
Skip: it’s it
slipped toward their country by taking the
pressure off they could push the plates over this
way.
Russ: oh no, that
would release pressure on this plate to move
closer toward the Taiwan plate.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: right which
would bring the slide to San Francisco.
Skip: right.
Kiri: or further
up the coast who knows but don’t get upset about
it because there’s nothing you can do about it.
Skip: no, no, no,
no, I was just…..
Russ: you sure?
Skip: we were
just kind of discussing okay?
Russ: right.
Kiri: well I can
tell you a way to deal with it but it would get me
sent home.
(we both started
laughing again)
Skip: no we was
just discussing it.
Russ: yeah it was
just…..
Kiri: actually it
could give you quite a lot of energy that you can
use for other things but I can’t tell you that,
it's not fair.
Skip: yeah I
know, I know, I know, I know.
Kiri: uh-huh,
okay…
Skip: I don’t
want to be grounded again.
Kiri: hey, I
edited myself there and censored myself.
Skip: there you
go, you don’t need to be grounded, we need you
here.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: okay?
Kiri: she works
way too hard sometimes.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: anyhow…….
Kiri: I mean she
was talking fast too. She had her hands up sort of
like……that’s Tia on a hot tin roof.
Russ: yeah,
that's absolutely true, she was going through the
paces tonight.
Skip: been a
pretty healthy discussion tonight.
Kiri: I think we
covered a lot of things.
Skip: yes we
have.
Kiri: but okay,
let me put on my spiritual hat here for a second.
Skip: go ahead.
Kiri: Skip, how’s
the nudges coming?
Skip: how’s the
what?
Kiri: the nudges,
the little suggestions, the little bits of
guiding, you feel any more?
Skip: your…..
Kiri: I'm
referring to your guide.
Skip: oh…..yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: kept me
from rolling my truck over the mountain.
Kiri: but since
then.
Skip: I’m sorry?
Kiri: but since
then, have you felt more nudges? More......
Skip: since then?
No.
Kiri: hmmm, I
wouldn’t say that you have, well maybe he’s being
a lot more subtler about it.
Skip: because he
flat told me to slow down.
Kiri: uh-huh but
that was where it was necessary to be vocal but a
guide doesn’t speak to you constantly, they don’t
even push you constantly, it’s gentle little
nudges. It’s like.......the best way to describe
it, it's like a cue ball on a billiard table. You
push it ever so gently and it will gently move and
you keep applying that pressure gently and gently
and gently and it’s an unperceptible move but soon
it's going to go in a different direction than it
was originally. Even though you haven’t heard or
felt your guide, it doesn’t mean to say that he’s
not making little suggestions and little gentle
pushes.
Skip: alright.
Kiri: but a guide
is there with you for the long haul. They’re there
to help guide you in a way that it is
unnoticeable. A good guide will be so subtle that
you won’t even notice it until you look up and go,
“oh okay, five years ago when I was on that path I
was going this way now I'm heading that way, how
did I come to be there?” That’s what guides do.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: they’re not
there to tell you blatantly, "go this way", not
unless it is immediate, immediate danger.
Skip: that was
immediate danger all right.
Kiri: uh-huh. So
guides are subtle and it’s good to see you this
happy and cheerful, I think Treebeard was right in
saying it's need, being needed.
Russ: oh yeah
good call on his part.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Kiri: but yeah
subtlety is something that is very useful. Guides
the majority of the time are very, very subtle.
They’ve got to be subtle because if they’re
blatant, sometimes you resist. You don’t see the
advantage in going that way whereas they’re
looking further the down the road which they have
the opportunity to do which you don’t in your
stimulated and oriented existence, the same that I
experience, they don’t have that stimulation of
physical sensations. They have the opportunity to
think and plan and see where you are going.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: and because
the majority of guides know you well enough,
either in past lives or in current life to be able
to say, “okay, what would be best suited for Skip?
What would be best suited for Russ?” The
subtleties are very, very important. You can be
blatant when necessary but sometimes that is not
necessary.
Skip: well it was
necessary when I was driving the truck and the
wheel's falling off.
Kiri: uh-huh,
that was what we call red alert, to use a
technical term, that’s red alert.
Skip: you got it,
kept me from rolling the truck off the road.
Kiri: yeah, like
my technical terms?
Russ: I love
them. Now guides are advancing in their own
consciousness during this time so I assume when
they're not on red alert that they're consciously
exploring their own avenues towards progression in
consciousness correct?
Kiri: correct.
Okay, do we have any more questions on the
spiritual side of things?
Skip: no I don’t
think so.
Russ: no.
Skip: but my
guide is in place now?
Kiri: yes he is,
very much so. He’s still doing his times where
he’s being taught and learning but those are
becoming progressively less and less.
Skip: okay.
Russ: so he’s
being taught by other guides?
Kiri: yes.
Russ: so it’s
like a whole other life that you live after your
life?
Skip: uh-huh,
yeah, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so you
don't really stop living………
Skip: okay now
here’s another point I'd like to bring up…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: of what
we’ve been discussing earlier. A guide is needed.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh yeah,
absolutely.
Kiri: they’re
fulfilling their need.
Skip: so that’s a
two-way street there, we need the guide and the
guide actually needs us.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that brings
up another point. The movie that’s called “Always”
I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not, it’s a
story….
Kiri: it’s about
the World War II pilot that's helping new pilots
is that correct?
Russ: close, he
flies a World War II bomber for fighting fires.
Kiri: the image,
the story that Mark’s told me is that it’s about a
fighter pilot that dies in a plane crash and he
comes back to help another pilot advance?
Russ: not in the
one I’ve seen. The one I’ve seen he fights fires,
Richard Dreyfuss fights fires in a World War II
bomber and then he dies…..
Kiri: oh yes that
one, that’s a color film.
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: okay
there’s another one.
Russ: then it's
probably a black and white thing…
Kiri: he’s the
one that decorates what's it? The big guy with…
Russ: John
Goodman.
Kiri: with the
fire retardant.
Russ: fire
retardant right.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but in that
he comes back after he’s dead and helps out new
pilots…..
Skip: oh okay.
Russ: and the
problems and the fun that goes along with that but
in doing so he finds that he’s very needed and I’m
thinking the Baron who…...
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: actually
something that my sister……that’s where you got it
from.
Russ: yeah, of
course.
Skip: the Baron
would make an excellent guide.
Russ: absolutely,
one of the best.
Skip: yes he
would, yes he would.
Kiri: see if we
can find a fighter pilot that needs him.
Skip: hey,
there’s lots of them out there darling that need
somebody like the Baron.
Russ: the whole
crew on the base probably could use him.
Kiri: yes.
Skip: oh yes,
definitely, definitely.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: because
these young guys coming up now, they......
Russ: the person
to talk to is Taal.
Kiri: I think
it’s a little too soon for the Baron to be……
Skip: yeah but
he’ll get there darling, he’ll get there but once
he hits this, I think he’ll find that he’s needed
more this way than he was as a fighter pilot. But
he’s got the experience behind him so........
Kiri: oh yeah.
Skip: his need….
Kiri: I’ll talk
to my grandmother about that when I get the
opportunity.
Russ: excellent,
good call.
Skip: he would be
excellent.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: God you
couldn't ask for a better candidate.
Kiri: no but we
all do a little stint from time to time as guides.
Skip: I’m sorry
we're injecting into an area that we don’t really
know that much about.
Kiri: same here,
I don’t that much about it either. My grandmother
does.
Skip: I’ll bet
you he’d make an excellent guide.
Kiri: and what my
grandmother……how much does she say about it, about
guides?
Russ: not much.
Kiri: very
little.
Skip: yes she
does.
Kiri: uh-huh but
she knows a lot more than she will let on.
Skip: I think
that comes from all of you young people.
Kiri: that we
know a lot more than we let on?
Skip: yes.
Kiri: well we’re
covered by our own set of protocols, she’s covered
by a different set of protocols.
Skip: that’s
okay.
Kiri: a great
example of a different set of protocols is my dad.
My dad and his set of protocols.
Russ: isn’t he is
expected to live by a certain set now that he’s
president of Sirius?
Kiri: uh-huh,
which doesn't cover him for the directives that we
have here on the base.
Russ: for
releasing information?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: well we
understand that too.
Kiri: talking of
protocols and behaviors, we will have coming
probably in December time the wayward monster.
Russ: cool, Bunny
time.
Kiri: the
Bunnykins, the Bunnster.
Skip: Bunny?
Kiri: yeah.
You’ve met Bunny.
Skip: yes.
Kiri: the
stripper, the exotic dancer, the student of life
with the IQ problem and the so ons?
Skip: I'll be at
that one. (chuckles)
Kiri: okay and
moving along to another topic, Lyka.
Skip: oh I…
Russ: yes I’ve
got my email working now so…...
Skip: how’s the
baby?
Kiri: baby is
doing fine.
Russ: get that
announcement going.
Kiri: she is a
normal........she’s not normal for up here, she’s
normal for a third dimensional child, she has no
abilities.
Russ: well that’s
fine, she’s got the love of her parents.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: you don't
need any ability with that.
Russ: absolutely.
Kiri: she was,
because of the parentage, she is genetically
altered. She is, you’ve heard us talk about
Teene’s daughter, you’ve heard me talk about Teene
the technician?
Skip: no I don’t
think so darling.
Kiri: okay, there
are some times where it is impossible for a woman
to conceive up here with male genes.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: so what
they do is they artificially set it up so that a
child could be born and instead of having the
necessary genes, they have pure female genes, no
male genes whatsoever.
Skip: well for
crying out loud.
Kiri: which means
that they're sterile, their mental abilities are
at best weak…..
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: on the most
common occurrence they’re normal, normal for you,
your species....
Skip: oh okay,
alright okay.
Kiri: as opposed
to having maybe one or two or three or four
abilities which is very, very common up here which
is the normal, they become unnormal up here
because they have no abilities.
Russ: won't she
face any ostracization for that?
Kiri: no,
definitely not.
Russ: well that's
good.
Kiri: if anything
it would be more love.
Russ: really?
Pretty different from what it would be like down
here that's for sure.
Kiri: sorry Skip,
you’re having an almost anaphylactic reaction over
something.
Skip: hmm,
wouldn’t that make the young people tease them
because they don’t have the abilities?
Kiri: no. They’re
very looked after, very more loved because they
are missing that one thing that makes them normal
for us.
Skip: okay I got
you, I got you. All right I understand now.
Russ: now
wouldn’t that be like a handicapped person down
here who develops their other abilities for
example maybe they become more empathic or use
their brain more?
Kiri: yes, a lot
of them, they’re very, very good caregivers for
children because they can’t have children
themselves.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: ohhh, okay.
Kiri: because
with being a pure woman they’re totally sterile,
they can't have children and they're wonderful,
wonderful caregivers. They make fantastic nurses
because they go out of their way to learn how to
read people’s body language instead of reading the
minds, they learn body language.
Skip: yes, yes.
Russ: they’re
crèche parents and nurses.
Kiri: uh-huh, a
lot of them are crèche mothers, a lot of them are
nurses, a lot of them are caregivers….
Skip: oh great.
Kiri: their life
expectancy is about half of ours.
Russ: now
wouldn't they also make good Oath Keepers?
Kiri: no.
Russ: why not?
Kiri: because
they are pure female.
Russ: yeah?
Kiri: they don’t
have that aggressive leaning that would make them
go out and inflict pain. They want to heal, they
want to help, they want to put things back
together.
Russ: they don’t
have that balance.
Skip: they don’t
have the male aggressive…
Kiri: they don’t
have testosterone.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: they’re not
aggressive.
Russ: yet Lyka
being an Oath Keeper has plenty.
Kiri: oh yeah,
she has more than she can use.
Skip: she’s a
jewel.
Kiri: which means
that when she went into labor, they were trying to
put an IV into her arm, guess what she did?
Russ: hmm?
Kiri: knocked the
medic out. Told her that nobody was going to stick
a needle in her except for her love.
Russ: so Leah put
it in?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: yep.
Skip: she’s a
sweetheart.
Kiri: she is a
total sweetheart.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: good,
congratulations on both fronts.
Skip: okay baby,
thank you.
Kiri: okay, we're
getting into idle chitchat and gossip. I was going
to say something but……
Russ: we got two
minutes.
Kiri: we’ve got
two minutes left?
Russ: yeah.
Skip: oh yeah.
Russ: well maybe
a couple more, the tape runs a longer than the
forty five but generally about two minutes.
Kiri: and I will
get around to a gossip column, I've just been way
busy.
Russ: no, no, no,
no hurry darling it’s….
Kiri: the gossip
I like is the humorous, the funny, the fact of the
punching out of the medic, I thought that was
funny.
Russ: the corner
bar, any more fun and excitement down there
lately?
Kiri: it’s been
pretty quiet there actually.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh, the
Wookies have been behaving themselves.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: the normal
rowdy makers which was one of the coed platoons
isn't on the base at the moment. The pilots have
been kept too busy especially with the
reorganization of the squadron to an elite
squadron.
Skip: hmmm.
Kiri: so there’s
going to be a lot of base personnel from the blue
guys changing here shortly.
(Kiri coughs)
Russ: you okay
there dear? Get Mark some water or something?
Kiri: no he’s
fine.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: I think
that’s part of the problem that there's dust in
here.
Russ: could be.
Kiri: uh-huh,
okay….
Skip: that’s it
for tonight then huh?
Kiri: I guess.
Skip: damn.
Kiri: it’s a
wrap.
Skip: okay
darling, see you next week.
Kiri: unless
anybody wants to play banjos.
Russ: don't look
at me darling.
Kiri: Tia is
still echoing that in her mind at the moment. That
was her light relief, dueling banjos. Okay, it’s a
wrap.
Skip: good night
love.
Russ: alright
sweetheart, it’s been fun.
Kiri: night,
leave the tape on whilst you guys talk, the after
tape sessions always something that we would like
to hear as well.
Russ: okay, have
a lovely night dear.
Kiri: bye.
Skip: bye.
(We hear singing
in the background from Russ as Mark makes his way
back into his body)
Russ: good
morning Mark.
Mark: greetings
earthling.
THE TAPE ENDS
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