(Tia begins the
okay, let's get down to business now whilst we've
had frivolous chitchat. Okay, let us look at my
favorite subject, the stock market. Again, another
new high today, up 150 points.
Russ: was it?
Russ: it was down three when I saw it.
Tia: ahhh, well news from Greenspan
contributed to the increase as well as the better
than expected profits from various companies this
quarter. What's happening is much as I
Tia: the very, very rapid growth rate.
has contributed to the better-than-expected earnings,
Greenspan's report on the state of the economy and
his saying that eventually the interest rate will
have to go up but at the moment there is no
inflation which is a lie, there is inflation but
it's only a little inflation. I see from this
overconfidence. Where does the market go from where
it is at the moment? There's only one place for it
to go which is?
Tia: exactly. There will be little
downturns which are basically profit-taking so if it
loses 1.5% of its profit, that's nothing.
Russ: just a drop of 80 points?
Tia: 80 points, 150, that's nothing,
that's peanuts. So there's nothing much
to watch out for at this time apart from the
continuing increase in the price of shares which in
my opinion are very much overly priced. After all,
from 1994 to today, it's gone from 3,000 to 8,000
which is a jump of 5,000 points. Very, very strange,
strange, shouldn't be doing that. And the fact that
it took approximately 50 years to get to 3,000 and
then a sudden increase as it has at present is quite
concerning. And there are people out there that are
expressing their concerns but let us not dwell on
the stock market as that could take up too much
time. Any questions?
Russ: with the so far as they've been
noticing the strength of the dollar's growing?
Tia: it is?
Tia: in comparison to what, the yen?
Russ: well as a comparison from
what it was a while ago.
Russ: and with that it's making our
trade deficit wider.
Russ: now how do you see that as
affecting the basic economy from that point?
Tia: well it's going to be more
reliant on internal facts. The fact that the
dollar can buy more now against most currencies
means that importing American items let us say to
Germany, means that it becomes more expensive whereas
if Germany is exporting to the United States, their
products become cheaper and so therefore it benefits
the German economy. However, if you look externally
at European markets, the question is why have they
become shaky currencies? But it's primarily to do,
if you look at the euro......let me
readdress this matter a little. They euro is a new
currency that will be coming into effect soon. The
attitude of some governments is to let it decrease
or their currencies decrease in
value so that their populations are used to a
different currency. When it comes, it's looked upon
as a relief, "oh a new currency, our
standards of living will go up." The euro, having
started off on bad legs, will become a
shaky currency like the Mexican lire or is it peso
Tia: the Mexican peso or the lire that
are dodgy currencies. Not very strong and you can
have a 1,000 pesos, which is worth how much Russ?
Russ: a 1,000 pesos is approximately
Tia: exactly, not very much at all. So
that you have this shaky currency in an industrial
area such as Europe, now what does that do?
Russ: well it's going to destabilize
the economies of those countries using it.
Russ: but now is the euro some kind of
Russ: currency that they've been
working on for years?
Russ: so it's going to be valid in
Tia: it's going to be valid in Greece,
Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, United
Kingdom, Ireland, France, Spain, Sicily, Turkey.
Russ: or are they going to hold with
Tia: Russia is not part of the EEC.
It's all EEC countries that will be having one
Russ: so it's everything but Russia.
Tia: no Poland's not a member of the
EEC, not yet.
Russ: I thought they got, they were
looking for admission?
Tia: yeah, they are.
Russ: they haven't been approved yet?
Tia: not yet. They're pretty close to
being approved. You see what's happening is that by
creating this one currency, you're destabilizing the
Russ: well isn't this the sign, one of
the signs of the apocalypse?
Tia: could be. Not by
my predictions though.
Russ: from the Bible.
Tia: not from my predictions........from
Tia: yours or mine?
Tia: oh yours? I haven't
Russ: yeah, it's one of the,
apparently one of the signs.
Tia: okay, my dissertation's
over, do you have any questions for me young lady?
Ann: no, not right now.
Tia: okay, actually.......nevermind.
(Omal comes on for his first of
Omal: greetings and felicitations and welcome. First
of all, let me introduce myself as you may already
be aware, I am Omal. By my voice and having listened
to the tape, you will recognize my mannerisms and
speakings hopefully. Greetings Ann.
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us get down and
address Tia's comments on the current stock market.
Again, with accuracy that only Tia seems to be able
to have persistently achieved, she
is quite correct there is only one place for the Dow
to go and that is up but it must be remembered that
you have to look at other parts of the market,
as the NASDAQ index, the Russell 500 and the S&P
index. All these things are indicators that need to
be watched and looked at. The majority of them are
climbing but they are worth watching to see what
they do as one will have an effect on the other. For
example, if one starts to drop rather dramatically,
another one is more than likely to follow suit.
Thank you, now on to my dissertation dealing with
the consciousness of the mind. My favorite topic as
a manifestor is how to use and focus the mind. The
mind is a wonderful tool, the
development of the mind in a spiritual pathway is
necessary as I am fond of saying for evolutionary
advancement. But what of the mind, how does it
develop, why does it choose
the paths that it is choosing? Well it is necessary
to learn certain lessons, lessons
that the individuals have decided will benefit them
on their path through life, lessons
that they need for advancement. Certain
environmental factors for example,
communication with the external world, no stimuli
for the mind apart from maybe a few books and the
environment will create the necessary tools as
building blocks for advancement. For example, if you
have no communication devices or entertainment
devices of an electronical nature,
then what do you do for fun? You read, you have
conversations and use the development of these
abilities to become more eloquent and to sharpen the
mind. Now with that comes the higher functions of
astral travel, manifestation, coercion,
psychokinesis and healing, all
very necessary tools. Let us take manifestation. In
an environment like that, why would you need
manifestation? Well manifestation first of all takes
many forms. From being able to create something out
of nothing by using the mind, to sitting down and
creating something with your hands such as clothing,
that is manifestation, poetry
is manifestation, writing
letters is manifestation. It is taking your skill to
create something out of very little. And with these
learning's and pathways that individuals deem
necessary for their advancement come a whole host of
other possibilities. How do you use these gifts,
these abilities? Well, it is recommended that they
are used for a positive nature but I must add that
there is also the possibility of using them in a
negative way. That is for the individual to choose
which is necessary. Any questions?
Russ: yeah, in the earlier days back
before television, radio and all that, you'd have
austere monks and hermits who'd go off into the
wilds and sit by themselves. And this would be an
adequate environment such as you're talking about?
Omal: in a way, yes but
it is more limiting. Having an austere environment
certainly helps to focus the mind but it does
nothing for the well-being of an individual. After
all, you need comfort to live happily. If you are
not happy, then it is more difficult to advance. For
example, if you take everything away except for four
walls, a ceiling and a bed but no blankets, you are
uncomfortable. You get used to your environments but
you will remember how things were. If you come from
an environment where you start off life with limited
properties, maybe a room, a bed, a blanket and you
advance through life having more properties. Books,
more blankets to keep you warmer, a bigger room, a
nicer room, then you are progressing and you have a
goal. But if you go in reverse, this in itself can
become a problem that you are
deliberately starving yourself of the goals
necessary to advance.
Russ: hmm, thank you.
Omal: any more questions?
Russ: okay, so then basically what
we're talking about is an environment let's say that
is specifically designed for that. For example, take
the old monasteries where you would have your cell
so far but you're kept fed. What if it was a little
more better surroundings where you are kept in
better comfort, fed but yet you still have that time
to yourself each day?
Omal: that is what I am saying.
Omal: that progressing is the key. If
you are in an environment where you cannot progress,
you are fed but you have no chance of advancement,
then what happens to your drive to advance?
Omal: and it applies to the abilities.
If you do not have the stimuli to become better and
be rewarded, then why try?
Russ: now how do you address this on
the base or even in sixth dimension?
Omal: there are always objectives in
learning, knowledge. Take for example a young lady
that came from a for want of a better word, a poor
She was given the opportunity to be an oath keeper,
she accepted it. She goes through hardships but attains
knowledge as she does so. She now has a place in
life when she fulfills her oath keeping
of being a revered individual. The fact that it
might take up to 500 years for her to achieve that
goal, to become a revered former oath keeper, is the
objective that she has. From a poor family
to somebody that has a rank, a station in life and
then to progress on to somebody that is revered is
Omal: and with that goals come reward
for doing her duty as an oath keeper, she is given
properties or objects as a gift of gratitude from
people for fulfilling an oath that they could not
keep. Or you take somebody that comes from a wealthy
family and they are given the opportunities to go to
a higher education, they
participate in the oath keeping in a limited way and
in return they're given an opportunity to be
at a place where they will meet somebody of special
significance to them (Karra).
So you see, gifts and rewards are part of
Russ: hmmm, okay. At this time I'd
like to address the questions that I was well
framing in my mind about what I was working with on
the base yesterday, the mind as the Internet.
Russ: or as an Internet. And what I
was working on was how in working with your mind,
you're working on a set of communications within the
other people of your world. For example those folks
here on earth that we don't recognize the
connections that we have with them and the
communications that we do on a constant level with
them but yet when we wish it, we can make that
communication happen by merely focusing on that
Russ: so the Internet is the allegory I use
Russ: analogy thank you......for the
thought that's put out such as what we do when we
click on something to find that particular person or
item or knowledge.
Russ: do you feel this would be
something that would be worth pursuing as far as
learning more about it and how to make it work in
more of that specific focused thought?
Omal: it is something that you are
already working on. The reason being that I say that
is that you are looking into it, you are asking
questions about it. A comparison to the Internet and
the mind is a good analogy. Your mind if you look at
it under a microscope, all the neurons and
connections, is very similar to the motherboard of a
computer with all its connections and chips and so
on. It is similar in the connections as in the mind.
So the comparison of a computer and the
mind is a starting point. Add in to this the
computer modem. The modem makes it able to
communicate with other computers. Your voice makes
you able to communicate with other people, your
voice is your modem. But, also, you have another
modem within you where you can project thoughts. And
with projecting thoughts, you can project a tighter
focused individual as opposed to the
normal mode of communication through vocalizing. If
I wish to talk to Ann privately, I would have to
take her to a different room but using the mind's
capability to transmit and receive on the correct
frequencies, I could talk privately. So the Internet
and your mind is almost the same entity. Being that
by thinking and subvocalizing, people will pick up
on emotions, they pick up on feelings coming from
other people, they call it vibes.
Ann, have you ever been in a room with someone where
you know what they are thinking by the vibes that
they're giving off?
Ann: uh-hum, yeah.
Omal: so that is one modem
transmitting and being received by another modem as
opposed to the other modem that you have being the
vocal communication. Now, using the computer, you
can talk to a lot of people in the same way as you
can talk to a room full of people. The same way that
I am doing now by using vocal communication. Now, if
you wish to talk to somebody privately on the
Internet, you send them an e-mail or take them to an
area where nobody else can go except for you and
that person, a private room in essence.
Omal: you can do the same yourselves
by using your mind. Simple words, "hello, how are
you?" "I am fine, I'm doing well, I am good." Is
easy to transmit and the more complicated messages
come with practice and time, like typing at a
keyboard. I know that some people present in the
room use the advanced method of typing of two
fingers and some people use the expert method of
communicating of all digits. So it is the same thing
that the mind works on several capabilities of
communication. Vocally and sub vocally. Sub vocally
can be broken down into simple words typed with two
fingers, more complicated words typed with four
fingers and more complicated sentences and
communications using all the required digits. Any
Russ: yeah, whereas some people have
different kinds of computers, different speeds of
modems, could we say then that people's abilities to
pick up on other people's transmissions would be in
a similar vein?
Omal: I would think that that would be
self-evident. You have somebody that is intently
intelligent, they think at a higher rate and
a faster rate than somebody that is not so
intelligent. Or somebody that is younger, children
will think at a slower rate as they have to process
each new experience. The older an individual gets,
the more common the experience becomes and they
become sub-routines, things that happen
automatically. Whereas a new experience slows the
mind down and you try to take everything in. It is
like that with a computer, that when you give it
something that it does repetitively, you make it as
easy as possible for the computer to do that. But
something new, a new program, a computer has to
learn it and it is the same with the mind.
Ann: can I ask a question?
Russ: sure, help
Ann: I don't know if this goes along
with this but what about, do dreams have anything to
do with like if a dream that you have and then it
comes true. Like I had a dream and it stuck in me
and it just......it kept.....
Omal: that is the mind processing
possibilities and stringing them in a way that a
situation is possible. The more that the mind
processes it and projects it into a dream, means
that the chances of these events occurring in this
particular way becomes more likely. For example, a
dream of getting into a vehicle, driving along and
getting a flat tire, it
is a concern that your tires are not as strong as
they should be and it is processed
and manifests itself in the dream as having a flat
tire. When it happens a few days later, it is
normally something that you have dream't about that
happens, one of those dreams
of precognition but why? Well it is the concern of
what will happen. You have noticed that your tires
are in need of repair, you realize that there is a
higher chance that they could have a flat tire. Now
normally when these things are noticed is when it
becomes instead of a one in 100 or one in a 1,000
chance, it is more along the lines of one in five,
one in three or an even chance, either
it will or it won't happen. And dreams
that come true are like that, that
certain situations are going on in your life which
creates the possibility of these events occurring.
Now having a dream about somewhere that you have not
been before such as a habitation unit, a house and
you go there and you actually arrive and it is as
you dream't it is truly precognition, something new.
But it is also something old, something planned long
ago within your subconscious in a period of waiting
for rebirth that an environment will be created with
the aid of other people that will trigger
precognition, a revelation. Something that helps you
to focus. Have I answered your question adequately
or would you wish a longer explanation?
Ann: well this dream was like, it was
about.....it was a dream of a school bus and then a
month later this school bus.......well what I saw in
the dream then, I looked down the hill after this
bus went over my head. The accident that was there
happened a month later it was in the front page of a
newspaper. Exactly the same, exactly what I saw in
my dream and a month later it happened with the
school bus from Yuba City. This was
years ago but it bothered me a whole bunch after I
had the dream, I had to keep telling everybody
because it really bothered me and then all of a
sudden there it was in the paper.
Omal: well the dream serves
a function as a warning and as something to learn
from. Now by telling people about your dream, you
may be serving a function of
warning people and giving them the option of
not being there. For example let us say there
was a little girl on that bus that was on that bus
every day. And the day of the accident, her mother
or her father kept her at home or took her to school
by car. Now the accident occurs and the damage, the
main part of the damage occurs on a seat that is
normally has an occupant but that day is empty. What
have you done? You have saved an individual from
great pain and suffering and even possibly death.
But, looking at it from the other side, you have
also taken away an experience that that person might
have found useful in the future and
they might later on put themselves in the same kind
of environment where that happens or the chances to
learn from that experience happens again. Or, by
doing so and telling somebody of your dream and that
person keeping their child away from the bus at that
time, you have learned a lesson that
by using your dream as a tool to warn, you have done
good and saved. Whichever way you have done good.
Ann: thank you.
Omal: you're welcome. My, we do have a
lot of felines in here.
Russ: it's just the two.
Omal: that one up there is very loud.
did have one at the top of the stairs.
Russ: he left.
Russ: he took off. Okay I have one
more question to go.
Russ: all right? You mentioned that
the mind and the Internet are one in the same.
Omal: yes, in essence.
Russ: in essence. Okay, using that
analogy, I'd like to go ahead and pursue that just a
little bit farther in the example that let's say I
have my webpage and nobody......and we get lots of
people who are reading it but there's a lot of
people who don't read it. Quite a majority of people
who don't read it and don't even hear about it. How
is that, even though I'm putting it out there with
my mind and getting it out there in reality and
pursuing it, other people are reading it. Is this
affecting those people who never read about it or
never hear about it?
Omal: indirectly they are affected.
Omal: by the people that read the
Hades Base News will tell their friends about what
they have learned. For example, the
to astral travel, that
has been discussed, the how
to shield has been discussed. And from that,
people have discussed it and they have learned and
they use it and they tell their
friends. Their friends may listen and think "it's a
joke, why do I need to do these things?" And they
may voice their opinions to other friends. And they
may listen and it is a slightly different take on
what is said and they learn something and they may
go "hmmm, that is useful." Or, "that is not useful
or that is silly" but still they learn and
they may tell their friends, and their friends and
so on. So the Hades Base News, even though it has
only been read so far by close to 540 individuals in
it's latest update, it has been passed on to far
more, many people. Okay now, one thing. Tia has
brought to my attention that it is now getting
appropriate to do Internet channelings again as you
have a room.
Omal: a Monday night would be more
suitable for us to be able to monitor. A time would
be after eight. It is necessary to set this up at
the appropriate time. Tia will keep you advised and
she will act as my relay.
Omal: also, preparations for the
update for this page. The editorials which I believe
are being worked on by Mark, Tia and Kiri, I would
like to give them a topic.
Omal: which would be the development....no.
How the past interacts with the future. So
interaction of the past with the future should be
the topic. I'm sure between the three of them they
can come up with something that will be both
interesting and educational.
Omal: any more questions?
Russ: no, I'm good, thank
Omal: you're welcome. Live long and
prosper and I'll be back.
comes on to transition between
Tia: and he will too.
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: (talks to the cat in
Durondedunn.) Now what do you want feline?
Russ: there we go.
Tia: is that what you wanted?
Russ: I'm being scarfed on.
(Mosquitoes had got in through an open door earlier.)
Tia: oh so you're the
main course for tonight huh?
Russ: apparently so.
Tia: did they bring Worcestershire
sauce or meat tenderizer?
Russ: they're getting their steak
Tia: uh-huh. Now according to my
estimations, the tape should be about ready to turn
Russ: pretty close here.
Tia: uh-huh, so we will have a brief
moment of, a brief interlude of chitchat whilst it
prepares itself to be flipped.
Tia: any questions?
Russ: yeah, you working on the
editorial then I take it?
Tia: I guess so, this is the first
I've heard about it.
Russ: well you better hurry it up here
girl, you've got eight days to work on it.
Tia: uh-huh. Oh well, eight days huh?
Russ: well Karra and I could do it in
eight minutes if we had to but........
Tia: oh, we can do it in that time
between the three of us.
Russ: I figured you could.
Tia: it's just a matter of getting
Mark to sit down and do it instead of doing a
hundred and one different things.
(Arranges something in the background.)
Tia: that's want I wanted. As you can hear his
voice, it's sounding a little
raw tonight. That's better, well maybe not.
Russ: that should be a little better.
Russ: okay, so one of the things I'm
wondering about is how the Internet is going to be
affecting the stock market. Wouldn't it have quite
an affect on it compared to what it would've been a
few years ago?
Tia: uh-huh, because communication
is instantaneous. I can send or you can send a
message as we discussed last week......
Tia: no the week
before.......you can send a message to whoever you
like in the world. You click on send and how long
does it take for them to get it?
Russ: pretty quick.
Tia: uh-huh, a
few seconds, maybe a minute depending on how fast
their cycle on server time is. So by doing that,
communication becomes instantaneous.
Russ: well communication has been kind
of the keyword for this whole last five years.
Russ: I mean most people don't know
what they'd do without e-mail. It's
replaced the telephone in many ways or at least the
Tia: some people, not most.
Tia: okay and the tape should be about
Russ: nope, it
still got some time to go.
Tia: it's going slow, is that......
Russ: yep, basic tape.
Tia: hmm, that's very strange. Okay,
catch you guys in a while.
Russ: bye Tia.
Ann: okay, bye Tia.
(Karra sits down to channel.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Russ: Karra this is Ann, Ann, that's
my love of my life.
Karra: greetings Ann,
I know it does look strange referring to the host
body. Okay, first of all let me answer questions. Do
you have any questions?
Ann: not right now.
Russ: yeah, working on the computer
Russ: very strange set up, I had to
work a while to get used to it.
Karra: strange in what way?
Russ: I kept wanting to type my
answers in, questions in.
Karra: you don't need to do that.
Russ: I know, that's what strange
Karra: of course, you don't
have voice recognition on your computers do you?
Russ: no, so I'm trying to type stuff
in and going, "well I can't type stuff in so that
Karra: it's also a Sirian keyboard.
Russ: yeah I know, that was the other
part that threw me off.
Karra: you expect me to have an
English keyboard as I barely read English?
Russ: and then the computer's
Russ: so it's working with me on the
answers and it's like it's trying to determine what
point I'm asking the question from.......
Russ: and I'm trying to formulate the
question in a way that it will understand.
Karra: it's quite simple.
Russ: well it didn't like the data I
gave it, it told me to
reformat my question and ask it again.
Karra: you have to be precise and
accurate. If you give it too many variables, for
Russ: I didn't give it enough
variables was the problem.
Karra: well, that's also a problem. If
you sit there and say "computer, I want information
on digitalis." It would give you all the information
that you ever wanted to know and some that you didn't
want to know on digitalis. It will give you its
common name, its Latin name......
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra picks up where she
Karra: .....chemical composition. It
will give you the history, the genetics, the
biological background, it will be data overload.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: if on the other hand you ask a
question, "I would like to know the genus of
digitalis and relevant information to its effects on
angina." It will tell you the background that you
requested and the effects of digitalis on angina.
Now if you go the other way and say that, "I'm
requesting information on digitalis, I need the
genetic background and interaction with heart
palpitations and angina in connection with the
chemicals that are derivatives used in third
dimensional earth medicine on controlling heart
Russ: you're going to have fun typing
Karra: I apologize to our scribe.
Ann: you may have fun editing it.
Karra: but by asking that question,
you have given it a very narrow field and
conflicting field as well. And the computer will ask
you for more information or say it's unable to
comply. So that will create a problem that the
computer will have in interacting with you. You have
to ask specific questions but they have to be worded
in a way that is understandable by the computer.
Russ: all right because when I tried
to access it to ask it about the relationship
between the Internet and the brain.......
Russ: it said something about cannot
comply, not enough data for answer. So I had to
Karra: well you've given it........in
actual fact you gave it the opposite. It could have
given you information overload but the computer is,
my computer is set up in such a way that you have to
ask specific questions. If you asked Tia's computer
which is actually the same one as mine, the same
mainframe but she has different specifications on
her terminal. I have mine focused very narrowly
because of medical word searches. For example, let
us take glandular fever....."I want information on
glandular fever." It will give you all your glands
and all the relevant fevers and how they interact
and how each fever interacts with each gland and
particular illness. Guess what you get? You get
about a three hour dissertation, that's a waste of
time. So let us say I want information on......I'm
trying to think of a good gland that would give a
good example but all the answers I can think of
would be too long-winded at this time and too hard
on the poor little fingers for typing. Okay, let us
say that I want.....
Karra: thyroid, I could give you a
dissertation and a half on that if you want, Tia's
got a better analogy. Tia says that I ask my
computer for information on Bill Clinton from
January 1rst, '97 to January 7th, '97. My computer
will ask for more detail on what I'm looking for. My
computer would ask for specific topics or in actual
fact it would say, "unable to comply, too much
information or too little information." So you have
to focus down on to a narrowed field. Let us say I
want information on Bill Clinton from January 1rst,
'97 to January 5th, '97 in connections with speeches
on foreign policy of Northern Ireland concerning
Sinn Fein. It will scan all his speeches of that
period from the first to the fifth. It will scan all
the references in his speeches of Northern Ireland.
It would then scan looking for Sinn Fein and it
would give me the one speech that he made concerning
that. Tia says that there weren't any
speeches made at that time about Sinn Fein. So by
keying the word searches and wording them in such a
way cuts down on a lot of time. Instead of sitting
there and giving a dissertation like you tend to do
Russ, it will give the computer something to mull
over and it can give you a lot of information. But
on the other hand, if you say you want information
on Bill Clinton and Sinn Fein, again it could give
you too much information.
Russ: or I would override. Well as it
turned out, we got along quite famously after that.
Karra: uh-huh, it's a matter of
Russ: yeah, I just basically started
wording it more toward a specific topic of the brain
or the Internet or the two.
Karra: you have to specify exactly
what you want.
Russ: I need to take a break on this
tape for a second, we have a strange.....
(The tape restarts.)
Karra: I'm not really good at
answering questions like that. I try to do the best
I can. Omal's much better. Okay, any more questions?
Russ: that's good for me. I mean it's
basically we're working on your computer I think
would be the topic of that particular session there.
Anything you would like to add to it?
Russ: all right.
Karra: next time you call my computer
a stupid computer........
Russ: did I say that?
Russ: oh. It's probably just that
point just after that first question. Oh I did,
didn't I? Yeah, I was a little frustrated.
Karra: yes, my computer tells me
Russ: well I mean it was a good
learning experience for me in the fact that it was
the first time I've sat down and actually worked
Karra: yes a learning experience hmmm,
don't have many of those do we Russ?
Russ: oh once a day, once
Karra: oh, once a day only? Okay.
Russ: bye love.
(Omal returns to go over
what Karra said.)
Omal: okay, let us address Karra's off
the record answer to do with the pathways in
(The part of the tape that did not get recorded.)
events are predestined but they occur and
are planned in the period between death and rebirth.
That for example, you need to learn how to interact
with someone. A situation is set up where
it is necessary to struggle for the lesson to be
learned, to overcome that lesson. And if it is not
overcome in this life, then you have to do it all
over again until you do get it right. A good example
of pre-destiny is a entertainment called "Groundhog...."?
Russ: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: and life can be looked at like
that. There are a lot of little things that
interact, little events that occur that don't seem
important and the majority of them
aren't. There are certain events that are
predestined that you plan in that waiting period
that you cannot change and it is a matter
of learning to overcome the pain. For example I
believe in the entertainment there is an old
gentleman that the weather person that is going
through the same day over and over again tries to
help, tries to stop him from dying. What he has to
learn is not that he can save this person but the
fact that it's necessary, that there are some things
that you cannot change. But these predestined events
are planned in such a way that they give you options
for change. For example, buying a new jacket, a nice
leather jacket. The option is to buy whichever color
that they happen to have there, let us say that they
have a red, a white and a blue one. You have four
possibilities. You have a short jacket, a knee
length jacket or an ankle length jacket. So you have
nine different possibilities and options and
key events are like that, you
have certain ways that you can handle the event. Let
us say that you are in a environment where you meet
somebody and you disagree with them,
have several different ways to deal with the
problem. For example, you can deal with it by
brushing it off, you
can deal with it by addressing the situation and
discussing it rationally or irrationally or ignoring
it, arguing about it, getting emotional, not getting
emotional. Making the person understand from your
point of view, understanding from their point of
view. There are many different possibilities and
those events are designed on the path of life for
you to analyze and look at the options and select
the correct option that feels right, that causes the
best effect for not only yourself, but for the
person involved. Okay, let us look at Karra's
Omal: we can go back over that at a
later time and look at the healing aspects but at
this time it is mainly to do with the computer on
the base and the different terminals.
Russ: well what's funny is, none of
the stuff that we got on the tape is all the stuff
that you just discussed that we will put on the
(The missing section of the recording.)
nobody's going to understand where it came from. But
it was so good, I'd hate to not put it on there. You
described that quite well.
Omal: oh, the analogy?
Omal: yes, that is rather unfortunate
how that happened.
Russ: well we'll figure something out.
Russ: we'll fake it.
Omal: well I'm sure Ann has a fairly
good recollection of what was discussed. Okay, I
will hand back to our resident ring mistress who
should've gone before she sat down and
in the meantime, do you have any more questions?
Ann: not right now.
Russ: no, not right now.
(Tia's back to hand off to Kiri.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey okay, I'll put on the next
Russ: I'll bet.
Tia: I'll be back, hopefully.
(Kiri replaces a fast
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: she go rushing off real quickly?
Kiri: yeah, like an express train.
Russ: I figured that. Kiri this is
Ann, Ann this is the crazy one.
Kiri: hello, greetings.
Russ: she's the one that says yo dude
Kiri: I do? Watch yourself dude.
Russ: what's up darling?
Kiri: I don't know.
Russ: you don't?
Kiri: according to Tia prediction's,
the Dow, probably my blood pressure, what else? Leah's
anxiety, that's about it really.
Russ: oh. I found a picture of Karra
to put on the web.
Kiri: oh good, about time.
Russ: yeah, it took me a while to find
Kiri: uh-huh, which one is it?
Russ: it's the one on a Japanese manga
one I found.
Kiri: oh, uh-huh.
Russ: very tough to track down.
Kiri: okay, let us address a topic
near and dear to my heart.
Russ: we haven't done coercion in a
Kiri: okay, coercion by design. Okay
let us take a little something. Okay you have a
group of felines all sitting around and there's one
cute little feline....I was listening. And you want
that feline to come. The trick is to make eye
contact, eye to eye. You look into its eyes and it
looks into yours, to make the appropriate thoughts
and actions friendly and open. Now you have to
understand a little bit of the mentality of the
feline and the fact that it doesn't trust anybody
because its mother doesn't trust anybody. It wants
to, it's inquisitive, it will come up and sniff you,
it will overcome so you have to use an incentive to
achieve the goal. And by interacting in a positive
mental thought pattern, you can cause the feline to
come. It may not come all the way up because the
anxiety is there within the feline that it doesn't
trust anybody except for its mother. So it overrides
the call from your mind to come to you. The fear and
the adrenaline takes over and it runs. Now
adrenaline and dealing with adrenaline rushes,
leading up to this, is something that
can be harmful both to the coercer and the coercee.
Okay now, coercion has to be done carefully as I've
stated frequently in the past. What transpires is
that you are giving commands to the person that has
to override their thoughts and their behaviors. Now
it has to be done subtly but let us say that you
coerce a little heavy-handed and the person is
totally within your control, they have no free will
and you have them like a puppet on the string and
a situation occurs that causes you to fear for their
safety or your own safety. Let us say you're
coercing somebody to get somewhere in a hurry and
you're sitting in the passenger seat and you've got
them doing the foot to the metal routine. And
they're going as fast as they can through through
traffic and all of a sudden the light turns red and
they almost smash into the back of a vehicle. You
have adrenaline overload because the situation that
you put yourself in by coercing them has endangered
your life and their life. You lose control of their
mind and suddenly they have free will of their own
and they suffer from fear going "oh my God, what
happened? Why was I driving so fast, I almost killed
us?" And they do the whole entire guilt trip but
because you were coercing them and you know what
they're probably thinking, if flashes back on you
even worse. So when you coerce and you coerce in a
way that endangers, you're opening yourself up to
all sorts of harmful possibilities to do with
adrenaline overload and all the harmful effects that
adrenaline overloads can do. The thing about
adrenaline is that it sits around in the body for
months on end, you never need it and all of a sudden
you need it and it's old and it's stale and it
tastes funny and it makes you feel sick. Don't like
adrenaline overloads. Now, if you put somebody in a
situation and you're coercing them and you're not
concerned about their safety and you've got no
report with them and they suffer with an adrenaline
overload without you going through the adrenaline
overload that you haven't put yourself in the
situation, you've put them in the situation but
you've got nothing to do with it except for your
coercing. That sounds a little convoluted and
complicated doesn't it?
Russ: I wouldn't type it.
Kiri: but anyway, putting the person
in the situation where the adrenaline overload
occurs for them only, it doesn't because an
adrenaline overload will sever the connection. Now
depending on how tight the connection is, depends on
how well you're controlling the person. Now the
break in the connection with an adrenaline overload
means that 50% of their adrenaline goes flying into
your body triggering your own adrenaline which makes
the fact that instead of having a hundred percent
adrenaline that is being released, you're having a
150% adrenaline. So, what's the moral of this little
dissertation? Well it's don't put somebody in an
adrenaline overload situation that could happen,
it's not good. Unfortunately sometimes you have to.
You have to coerce somebody that is very well suited
to do something, a particular task that they don't
want to do but it's for the benefit of themselves
and other people and yourselves. Okay, any
Russ: I have one that is unrelated to
that, well it's related but in a different field,
it's a healing question.
Russ: I'm not sure if you can answer
Kiri: but first of all Ann, do you
have a question?
Ann: not right now thank you.
Russ: yeah, she shook her head no so
that's why I was asking.
Kiri: sorry, I was more concerned with
getting liquid down Mark's throat as it sounds like
he's been gargling with glass again.
Russ: the adrenaline overload caused
by the stale adrenaline.
Russ: is it a little bit healthier
then to release that adrenaline in some safe format
than letting it just build up like that?
Kiri: it's always useful to use
adrenaline. After all, sitting around in the body
for months on end festering isn't good is it?
Ann: how can you use it?
Russ: yeah that's what I'm saying.
Kiri: oh how can you use it?
Russ: in my working two jobs right
now, I'm not really using a lot of adrenaline.
Kiri: you think so?
Russ: not a lot that I can think of.
Kiri: adrenaline comes in many, many
different forms and can be released in many, many
different ways. Being a coercer and having to learn
about adrenaline overloads, you learn a little bit
about the biology of adrenaline.
Kiri: it can come in the excitement of
a new project. You're building a new program or a
new computer for somebody that you've never built
before. You're little apprehensive and a little
nervous but there again you're also looking forward
to it correct?
Kiri: adrenaline's being released just
little bit, a little at a time to keep the
excitement there. Also, looking forward to doing
something for the first time or doing something that
you like to do......could take my favorite past time
but but no, that would be too long-winded. (Ann
chuckles.) The release of adrenaline comes in many
different ways. It can be released in the
anticipation of something, waiting for something,
something suddenly happening. It can even be
released through laughter. Laughing uproariously
will trigger adrenaline to be released and
adrenaline causes the heart to beat faster. So you
see, adrenaline can be released in many, many
Russ: I see. So you could set up some
daily thing that you could do that would release a
lot of it at once or just those little things all
day will release the same amount then?
Kiri: it's better to be little bits at
a time because supposing you need a big adrenaline
Russ: it won't be there.
Kiri: exactly, it's been all used up
but if you use a little bit here a little bit there,
it's constantly replacing itself and refreshing
itself. Has anybody ever had an experience of a
sudden adrenaline rush followed by another
adrenaline rush followed by another adrenaline rush?
Russ: oh yeah, all the time when I
used to fish, it happened a lot.
Kiri: and what happened towards the
Russ: well you get pretty tired.
Kiri: uh-huh and there is no more
adrenaline left and therefore your reactions which
are supposed to be heightened and sharpened by
adrenaline are slowed down because there isn't any
Kiri: so to release it all at once is
only a if you need to but a little at a time is the
best way. And it doesn't have to be a daily thing.
The joke about it sitting around and festering in
your body is a joke, it's there for a reason and it
is used to sitting around. Over thousands of years
it has evolved in a way that it will survive not be
used for months on end.
Russ: oh I see. Well thank you Kiri,
that's a good way to answer that question.
Ann: yeah, I agree.
Kiri: any questions?
Russ: I'm trying to think of something
in the coercion department. Now, when you're working
with someone in coercion, basically........
Russ: let's say the cat there which we
started off on as far as the adrenaline overload of
Russ: okay you're in an essence of
working through the adrenaline of that cat to get it
to do what you'd like it to do.
Russ: oh there's a kitten.
(Kiri then goes about proceeding to
coerce the kitten.)
Kiri: now she wouldn't have come into
the room unless she was called. She's now sitting
quite happily and comfortably. Do you want me to get
her to come closer?
(Kiri then tries to get the kitten to
Kiri: no, she's having a real anxiety
Russ: she's found her limit.
Russ: and she won't go beyond that
limit because anything beyond that limit would push
her adrenaline and her fear up another notch.
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh and it would scare
the living daylights out of the cat and there could
be the opportunity of flash over to me.
Kiri: which in this situation would
flash through me back into Mark's body. So I have
not only the added responsibility of being
responsible for the feline's adrenaline state, but
also my own and Mark's.
Russ: hmm, a lot to be aware of and be
Kiri: so it is a big responsibility.
Russ: well she likes the company .
Russ: I think.
Russ: and the human contact which her
mom doesn't........ it's not real loving, but at the
same time she's real scared of that.
Russ: but as you remember we had all
three cats, Gandalf, Edmund and...
Kiri: uh-huh, see she's gone now.
Kiri: I started calling her vocally.
Kiri: doing the cat thing and lost the
coercive link. She's just outside,
come back in but it will give her the feeling of
welcome now that she will do it more, that she will
come in and hopefully it will set things in motion
that will give the feline the opportunity to
interact more and get more affection in return. When
editing this, you might want to put in what
Kiri: the feline........
Russ: the wild kitty comes closer kind
Kiri: uh-huh yeah. Should be an easy
Russ: yeah. Long blank spot on the
Kiri: yeah. Long blank spot is
coercion of a feline. But there are certain rules
that are necessary to obey in connection with
coercion. Not endangering somebody, only for
positive, never for self-gratification, never for
self-advancement however, there are certain little
clauses. For example, personal advancement. Let us
say, and I do love this analogy, that you're going
for a job and you have two children and you need
that job and you go there and you're dressed up as
best as you can and you really want the job. Is it
right or wrong to coerce the person into giving you
the job or considering you more over somebody else?
Is it right or wrong?
Ann: if you have the right
qualifications and stuff for the job it would be
Kiri: qualifications are irrelevant.
Kiri: from a moral standpoint.
Ann: if you're going to be able to get
the job with....
Kiri: I see where you're coming.
Kiri: yeah. You are correct in saying
that it is the right thing to do. The way that I
would answer it is that yes it is right because you
need the job to take care of your children. So
you're not doing it for yourself even though you are
benefiting initially by getting the job, your
children are benefiting. And of course you'd want to
do the best job that you can so that you can advance
within the company and continue working at that job.
Kiri: so your answer is yes correct
and my answer is correct and it's actually putting
those two answers together would be the correct
Russ: (closes door) getting a little
cold in here.
Kiri: oh, so I can't give any more
Russ: no, well we had the main
demonstration which is all we really need.
Kiri: uh-huh. I do like to show off my
coercion from time to time. Any questions? Okay,
what do I do? I'm an engineer as you probably read
in the bios and I also do coercion as you just
Kiri: those are my fields of
expertise. I also do cartwheels from time to time,
don't I Russ?
Russ: oh yeah hey by the way, question
for you, how did the meeting
go between Alex (Kiri and Mark's son.) and my two
guys? (David and Michael, my two twin sons on the
base.) Didn't work?
Russ: didn't really hit it off?
Kiri: no, they wanted interact with
him and he just shut them out.
Russ: oh, what a shame.
Kiri: he'll get over it hopefully. I
Russ: maybe it's just that phase.
Kiri: I've got an idea, let's get the
razor blade and shave half of his mustache off.
Russ: let's not and say we did.
Kiri: or what we could do is shave off
Russ: and better yet, let's not and
you go up and you tell him that's what we did and
have to wait for another what, 14 hours to find out
that we didn't?
Kiri: no, that wouldn't be fair. I say
we shave off this one, this side here and then shave
half his head here.
Russ: he wouldn't believe you anyway.
Kiri: no. Now if we shaved it
off.........Tia says no because it's a Celtic thing.
Kiri: uh-huh, pity.
Russ: oh well.
Kiri: we could pluck it though.
Russ: let me see how much time we've
Russ: still some.......plenty of time
Kiri: okay, any more questions?
Ann: nothing I can think of.
Kiri: okay we're getting down to
getting back to Tia sitting down and giving a
dissertation or Omal giving a dissertation, another
(Chuckles all around.)
Kiri: and Omal does give
Russ: well we do need to fill up more
of the tape anyway so that's good.
Kiri: uh-huh. Let me see, can I think
of anything else to add. Okay, Sirian
joke........okay, let me see, I've got lots of them.
Any that you guys would.......that aren't mind
jokes. Two girls out backpacking, one finds a pile
of snow and decides to use her backpack as a sled to
slide down and the other one says, "we did but we
didn't." That's a mind joke isn't it?
Russ: another mind joke yeah, nice try
though. Yeah you just have to be more highly evolved
I guess to get this stuff.
Kiri: okay......hmmm, that doesn't
translate that well actually. Oh well nevermind, it
loses something seriously in the translation. It
doesn't sound right in English....oh well.
Russ: all right darling. Have a lovely
night, we'll see you next week.
Kiri: yes, see you later dude,
Kiri: I'm out of here, I'm off like a
(Omal finishes up from where
Kiri left off.)
Omal: okay, now we have the
rambunctious one out of the way, let us address
Kiri's coercion. That is a mouthful is it not?
Russ: that is a mouthful.
Omal: okay, now Kiri talking about her
responsibilities as a coercer, the calling of a
feline. Yes it is a good example. The fact that it
is a young, nervous feline is a good example of fine
control and Kiri stating her awareness of the
potential for harm is something that is important
and necessary to be aware of in coercion. However,
Kiri did skip over certain points that are
necessary. When coercing, it is necessary to be
aware of the person but also aware of your
environment. Most coercion that is done is simple,
thought out coercion. "I want you to do this, come
here, go there, sit, stand." There is very little
chance of harm coming in these situations. To take
an analogy that Kiri has used a few times, you are
at a rock concert and the person in front of you
keeps on getting in your way. You coerce them to
move to somewhere else or to sit down or if they are
being vocal, coerce them to be quiet. There is
nothing wrong in this, this
is for your enjoyment and entertainment. It is not
for self-gratification, there must be a
line drawn there. It is something that you have
wanted to attend, the rock concert, the play, the
musical, whatever. The person in front of you is
inconveniencing you and they are not being
considerate. They are not thinking about other
people around them. So to coerce them is quite
acceptable because it is no longer a point of right
or wrong but of consideration and morals. Is it
morally correct to talk or to get in somebody's way
that is at a place for their entertainment? You are
there also to enjoy so by getting in their way, or
somebody getting in your way, they are taking away
from your enjoyment and they are not being aware of
other people. So morally, it is quite acceptable to
coerce somebody to move out of the way,
do something that is an inconvenience. However, it
is quite easy to cross over into gray and black
areas of coercion at this point that
if you want somebody to move out of the way and go
somewhere else and annoy somebody else, they will.
So that you have changed their karmic path from
annoying you to annoying somebody else that was not
in the equation before. So it is better to coerce a
person to sit down instead of going away so
you have to be aware of how a small action can cause
a bigger action. It is like the proverbial little
chunk of snow down a slope. You drop the piece of
snow and it starts to roll and it picks up momentum
and more snow and so on until you have an avalanche
on your hands and it is the same with coercion and
the karmic pathway. You can use coercion to change
somebody's karmic path for a possible better
outcome. There are other uses of coercion. Any
questions at this point?
Russ: yeah, it's much simpler in sixth
dimension to determine the uses of coercion than it
is in the third I assume?
Omal: yes, it is.
Omal: oh, okay.
Russ: well I mean it's just......I
know it's self-evident but but it's just you're able
to look at past lives......
Omal: okay, yes it is self-evident. It
is better than saying, "yes"and raising my hands as
if I'm looking for an extra answer or
an extra question. Let me explain more detail. As
you stated, yes past lives are in play,
are aware of your past lives and your past life
interaction with the individual. Also, as Tia is
fond of talking about, morals, that
the moral understanding is more aware instead of
black and white, this is wrong, that is wrong, maybe
that's right, maybe that's wrong. With the moral
equation added in to the coercion and the past life
experience added in, then coercion is very cut and
dry on, is it appropriate? No. Is it appropriate in
this situation? Yes and you know why. For example,
Kiri coercing the feline, and we end up back there.
The feline was sitting outside in a
cool environment. It wanted attention and warmth. By
Kiri pulling it into the room it starts to overcome
the fear of people and other interactions. Now if
Kiri had been very clever about it, she would've had
the feline come close but stay out of arm reach and
be warm. Sit in a blanket, sit in a place where it
can watch and be comfortable. To be able to go
through the thought processes necessary for that
feline to overcome its fear of people instead of it
not comprehending why the compulsion was for it to
come into the room. In Kiri's case it was a
demonstration of coercion, plain and simple on how
coercion works and interacts. The moral issue was
not addressed, even though I'm sure that Kiri
considered the morals. The karmic issue was not
addressed because there is no karmic issue to look
at between Kiri and the feline. The feline was there
just pure and simply by chance as a tool. But taking
the moral issue, Kiri did the right thing, not the
way that I would've done it but it was addressed.
Any questions at this time?
Russ: yeah, as we get more in tune
with our consciousness and our superego, that will
enter more into play and we'll then have
a greater step towards that understanding I assume?
Omal: correct and the reason being
that with the vibrational changes, the necessary
interaction of the subconscious and superego comes
into play and no longer becomes subconscious. It
becomes back to the computer analogies, sub routines
necessary for survival.
Russ: excellent good, thank you, that
ties it all together nicely.
Omal: thank you. Any more questions?
Omal: okay, I will put Tia back on and
allow her to finish up the tape as we have
approximately 5 minutes of tape time. Is that
Russ: yes thereabouts.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Ann: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and see you
next week. I'll be back.
(Tia comes back but only for the minute
so left in the channeling
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, he does that so much better
on the second time doesn't he?
Russ: he did do it much better the
Tia: uh-huh. Next we'll have him
walking around going, "I want the Uzi 9 mm with
laser sights or 'hasta la vista baby'."
Russ: oh by the way, you've seen
"Groundhog Day" right?
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