(Tia gets things started with a little
Tia: okay, before we start, a quick
joke. Okay, there's this fish swimming around in a
lake, salmon actually and it looks up and it spots a
fly and it thinks to itself, "if that fly comes down
a little bit lower I can jump up and eat the fly."
There's a bear standing on the bank or in the bushes
above the pond and he looks down and goes, "hmmm, if
that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump
up, I'm going to jump out and I'm going to grab that
fish." Up on a hill behind a tree overlooking the
pond is a hunter with his rifle and he sees the bear
down there and he goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops
down lower the fish is going to jump up, the bear's
going to jump out and I'm going to shoot that bear.
Sitting about 5 feet behind him under a whole load
of grass is a mouse and the mouse looks over and he
goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops down lower the fish
is going to jump up, the bear's going to jump out,
the hunter's going to jump up, going to shoot that
bear and the sandwich in his pocket is going to fall
out onto the ground and I've got myself lunch."
Behind the mouse sitting on a branch looking down is
a cat and the cat looks around and he goes, "hmmm,
if that fly drops down lower, the fish is going to
jump up, the bear's going to jump out, the hunter's
going to jump up, take a shot, kill the bear and the
sandwich is going to fall out and the mouse is going
to charge, eat the sandwich and I'm going to have
that mouse for dinner. All of a sudden, the fly
drops down lower, the fish jumps up, the bear jumps
out, the hunter jumps up, shoots the bear, the
sandwich falls out, the mouse jumps, gets the
sandwich, the cat takes a jump, misses, rolls all
the way down to the hill and lands in the pond. And
the moral of the story is, a lot's got to happen
before a pussy gets wet.
(snickers all around)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Karen: that was good.
Russ: that was pretty good.
Tia: did you tell Johnny?
Tia: okay, he's on his way up?
Karen: that's because she saw what we
saw on the Internet yesterday.
Russ: which was?
Tia: okay. Greetings.
(Tia says hi to the cat in Durondedunn)
Karen: Ganja, Ganja kitty.
Tia: okay, now down to business. Okay,
I will do my normal speech and spiel after our guest
speaker. I've got to make him comfortable, he's
running a temperature at the moment of about 98.4.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Ashtar makes one of his always
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations
and welcome. Let us get down to the
communication, the eloquence of the communication of
tonight's speak. We will address certain matters,
upcoming events which concern you all. It has come
to my attention that your stock market has gone from
a bull market to a bear market. This has been
predicted in our predictions by our by our resident
prognosticator (Tia). The information that is
relayed for this purpose is for your understanding
for your decisions to make. The potential that is to
occur is A, an economic depression with all that
entails, B, unrest and strife relating to said
market activity, C, civil disobedience relating in
an indirect way to the governmental activities, D,
governmental activities of an illegal nature
concerning certain activities in monetary gathering,
E, the outcome of certain investigations. Let us
address E first. The outcome of these investigations
will get certain key actions to occur. Possible
resigning of said leader of country,
resignation of Vice President,
non-re-electable ability of Vice President,
into other activities concerning certain supposed
suicides, investigations into
certain monetary gains of individuals, namely
Whitewater will be reopened. Okay, let us look at
other fields of information to watch. The stock
market activity on the computer, the Dow index,
watch that, that is not as
important as the Russell 2000 or the NASDAQ 400.
Those are things to be watched. The NASDAQ, the
Russell index and other indexes. Link those with the
current activity on the Dow market and you will be
able to project when and where this event will
occur. How to do this is done by watching the
increase and decrease in the activities in those
areas. Also of areas to look into is the growth in
technologies. IBM is a good company to watch.
McIntosh is already showing signs of wear. Computer
engineering, it has been brought
to my attention that there is certain rivalry, this
is irrelevant. Each computer has its specific duty
and function for the upcoming problems. Traveling
great distances, this is being looked into. This is
for release of information. This has a very
important role into preparing other areas. That is
why all three of you are present. The traveling of
individuals to other parts of your planet is
necessary for the release of information but, done
carefully and in such a way that it does not sound
as if it is doomsaying. The future that comes after
this event of the crash and the economic problems
that follow and the civil problems and the
governmental problems is a preparation for the final
outcome of preparation for the next evolutionary
stage. That is why it is important to give out this
information in other areas of your planet. Not just
through your Internet, not everybody has access to
your Internet. So it is necessary for individuals to
embark on probably one of the hardest parts of their
life. The difficulty that has been occurring at this
time is preparation for the hardness to come.
Certain substances will have to be given up to keep
enlightenment and knowledge focused. Those
substances will be decided by the individual and
will be discarded at the appropriate time. There is
other also medical matters that need to be
addressed relating to certain substances. These
substances have helped in the past and now have
become a very un-useful tool, a hindrance
but the learning from those hindrances are now going
to pay dividends. The advancement of the local mind
in the areas that individuals travel to will be done
slowly and surreptitiously using the intelligence of
that individual or individuals and being able to
release the information in a way that is a credit to
themselves and to others. The phrase, "I am a simple
individual" is an understatement. The individual or
individuals that do the traveling do not give
themselves enough credit. Credit will be returned in
the future. Any questions? Let us start off with the
young man at the far end.
John: is the photon cloud have any
effect on all this?
Ashtar: the photon cloud is irrelevant
in this matter.
Ashtar: young lady.
Karen: when you're saying substances,
does that mean all drugs, all smoking, all
Ashtar: that is self-evident. Young
Russ: okay, on the Internet front,
working with other groups to increase the knowledge
though people aren't are all hooked up, we are being
asked to join somebody from the one of the ships,
Russ: apparently they have a chat
channel and there's lots of things with workers and
light seekers or light workers and star seeds and
walk-ins and they're all joining together aboard
this one, well on the Starship Athena. I'm
not sure if it's a page or just something and we're
being asked to you know link up to it and
it comes from Commander
Ashtar: yes, I'm aware of Aleon.
Russ: okay and apparently this is a
channeled kind of thing to us in particular because
we are also working with Ashtar Command and so they
are trying to bring all the Ashtar Command workers
Ashtar: not just Ashtar Command
workers. It has been
discussed by you and the channel host body that it
would be useful to bring individuals together from
Ashtar: this is part of that bringing
Russ: ahh, okay thank you.
Ashtar: young man at the end.
John: does it look like we're going to
go into a full-scale depression economically?
Ashtar: the potential is there. In
your stock market, there are a few people that
experienced the crash of '78. There
are a few people more than experienced the crash of
which I would estimate to be 1% of all people that
give advice. The crash of '88 is going
to be minor compared to what is the potential to
come. It is necessary to watch and analyze what is
going on. Young lady.
Karen: you said join all groups. Is
that, I mean you were talking about groups from
other planets like Russ was saying but does that
mean groups that we have gathered ourselves individually?
yes but the time will become self-evident when it is
necessary to bring your associates together. The
time will as I said be self-evident but the
preparation in advance is also necessary. You will
decide what that preparation is. Young man at this
Russ: yes I'm taking a long trip
coming up here to Cancun Mexico and would this be an
appropriate place to also spread this information
Ashtar: that is your decision. It
depends on whether it is recreational, spiritual,
business or all three. The potential for passing
information on is all around you. I will give a
brief dissertation and then final questions from
each of you. Concerning spiritual groups and
individuals around you. It is necessary to focus
them into their particular abilities. The
advancement that each of you teachers have is
necessary for your spiritual growth as well as your
associates and comrades. The development of the
associate minds around you will be able to formulate
a group that if you all split up, you
will have the ability to form your own groups that
will be able to work with other groups of former
associates. For example, Mr. (Ed: name
edited), if you form a group, it will be capable
with the teachings that have been laid down to
interact with individuals of Miss (Ed: name
edited) group and in turn,
your two groups will be able to interact with Mr.
Hatfield's group and vice versa. The development of
those groups are important even if you are all in
close proximity, your associates and comrades may
not be aware of each other but, the time will come
where individuals from each group may interact with
individuals from each other group so therefore they
will be able to use meta-concert trainings, shield
trainings altogether without having to say, "how do
you do yours?" It will be automatic and they will be
able to work together in those meta-concert's as a
team regardless if they are from the state of New
York, the state of California, Oregon or Washington
or Idaho or Arizona. All those groups will be able
to work together as a team. Other individuals that
are not present tonight that would've been desirable
to have present in the state of Nevada will also be
instructed in the final stages and preparation for
the upcoming event. They themselves will formulate
groups in those areas. Last question starting at the
far end again with the young man.
John: do you foresee a lot of militia
and military type activity being associated with
this economic depression we're going into?
Ashtar: not so much military but
militia-like activity of individuals
on a more of a economic system. Young lady.
Karen: I'm kind of at a loss for words
Ashtar: young man.
Russ: okay so when I........I'll be
putting this message on the webpage and it's
essentially then a spiritual call to arms.
Ashtar: not a call to arms,
are a peaceful organization.
Ashtar: it is a spiritual call to
Russ: correct, it
is what I meant, sorry.
Ashtar: thank you.
John: thank you.
Karen: thank you.
(Tia gets things back
on solid ground)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: well, well, well, well,
I was caught with my undies down.
Russ: well you did pull them up I
Tia: yes I did.
Russ: good girl.
Tia: I didn't know that's what he had
of his mind, otherwise I would've warned you guys.
Tia: come in closer, you're way out
there. Come on, all the way in, all the way in.
Karen: Tia, how's 98.4 a temperature?
Tia: 96.7 is normal.
Karen: 96.7 is normal, hmm.
Tia: well normal for me anyway.
Karen: okay, for Ashtar as well?
Tia: I don't know what his normal
Karen: but you said he was
running a fever?
Tia: no, the host was running a fever.
Karen: oh, you're running a fever?
Russ: Mark's running a fever.
Tia: no, I'm not running a fever.
Karen: oh, Mark's running a fever.
Tia: I'm the ring mistress, I'm the
ring mistress. I'm not the host, the host is down
Karen: oh and he's running a fever?
Tia: okay, temperature's also going
down in his body. Okay, well as I said, now's my
time for my dialogue and it was brought to my
attention the other day, Saturday I believe, that
Mark was listening to somebody that repeated nearly
word for word what I said. I was shocked, I was also
honored. Somebody's been reading my
notes, giving out the information. Now, let us go on
a free-for-all question time.
Russ: what was the notes that you're
Tia: on my dissertation on stock
market activities and the fact that individuals are
not prepared and are living in a glory and so on.
Pretty much like that.
Russ: the stuff I put on the webpage?
Tia: no it's the one that I gave about
a month ago.
Russ: why don't I remember
Karen: no, because the one you gave
last week mentioned it and then all of a sudden it
came up like three days after you mentioned it on
Tia: uh-huh and then I also gave
Russ: oh, it's a radio program.
Russ: oh, okay. I'm catching up here.
Tia: one of your primitive
Karen: he's been working too hard.
Tia: yes, we'll address that later as
well. Okay, are we all going to just sit here and
look around at each other?
Karen: no I haven't looked to the left
yet, can I? No......
John: how you doing?
Russ: all right, so basically he gave
some good indicators to keep an eye open for.
Russ: I'm not familiar with the
Russell 600 or 400, I should be.
Karen: what is the Russell six or
whatever it was?
Karen: thank you 2000.
Tia: it's a market indicator. It's
like the Dow and the NASDAQ.
Russ: I don't see that on CNBC.
Tia: no you won't.
Russ: so you have to look in the Wall
Street Journal or something?
Tia: uh-huh or on the Internet.
Karen: so Ashtar was mentioning that
this is all a....or it's mainly.....if it's not
battle in arms and it's all spiritual and
Tia: no he never said that.
Karen: oh he didn't say all..
Tia: no he implied that there will be
a lot of spiritual growth, spiritual awareness. He
also did not say that there wouldn't be any physical
Karen: so either which way we have to
be prepared for both.
Tia: correct or as far as I see it. I
mean Ashtar can be very informative but yet you have
to read what he's saying or not saying or what he's
implying. So it's hard to sometimes understand what
he's actually saying without going back over and
listening to what he said.
Karen: so it's actually like reading
between the lines.
Russ: hmmm, okay. Yeah this looks
pretty interesting, I haven't got a
chance to forward it to Mark yet but this looks like
a really good information channel,
of like Spirit Chat but devoted toward Ashtar
Russ: it's probably new and just got
started. You know I asked him, it doesn't give the
URL address so I'm not sure. It's an IRC chat
channel and I've got to figure out how to
do IRC, I don't have that yet. So I just sent him
back a thing saying please give me a URL I can work
Russ: okay, all right now as far as
building up groups, I didn't quite understand that
Tia: well you have this group.
Russ: now he's talking about
individual groups from this.
Tia: uh-huh. Well Johnny has a very
important role to play.
Karen: he's got to start
his own over in New York.
Tia: uh-huh, don't
look so surprised Johnny, you'll find a channeler
over there or you may open up to channeling.
John: oh yeah, I'm not surprised at
John: yeah, how Ashtar refers to my
family as "the hole in the wall gang".
Tia: ahh that's Omal.
John: oh that's Omal, that's right.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah.
John: but yeah I'd like to generate
some interest and share some information and see if
we can get a group going back there.
Tia: uh-huh. You have the potential to
spread a lot of information over a wide area.
Russ: so destiny.
Tia: yeah, destiny. And Ashtar put it
much, much better than I could and much more
eloquently that you have a very important role as
does Russ on spreading the information. A way to
describe it is, I've been doing some research on the
fall of the Roman Empire and how the information was
squirreled away in monasteries and so on that kept
the light burning in small, little communities and
that's how I see that both of you or all three of
you there including Mark which makes four have to
do. The group may or may not get
split up because of certain things happening but it
is necessary to bring people around you that are of
like mind. As Ashtar put it, creating meta-concert
groups outside of this group. You have four people
present now that could do a meta-concert.
If Skip was present with Judy, that would bring it
up to six people, small meta-concert but it works.
But groups of six scattered all over the place is 24
individuals that can be interchanged with other
groups. Let us say that you bring your six friends
with you on a trip to here for whatever reason, they
can fit automatically into the meta-concert. Or if a
group from here is in New York, then they can fit
into your group automatically. Interchangeable
pieces like circuitry boards from computers. Whether
it is a primitive typewriter or a overgrown
Etch-a-Sketch, the keyboard or the electronical
components for each thing are interchangeable and
can work together.
Karen: okay now Tia?
Karen: can these people that we have
in our groups, they can't have any doubts whatsoever
then, they can't have any
denial that this is impossible or...?
Tia: self-doubt is a useful tool.
Karen: I'm talking about self-doubt of
their powers or their gifts.
Tia: it's a useful tool, it stops
people from getting delusional. The fact that they
can do anything that they want."Okay, let's pick
this house up and move it." I can't do that. Maybe a
meta-concert from up here could do that but down in
the third dimension? Unless you have some really
powerful PK heads kicking around you can't do it.
Even if you have as many PK people on your planet
that you can, you still wouldn't to be able to pick
up the house and move it. There was an incident
in the late '60's where
several thousand people got together and decided to
pick up a five sided building and shake all the bad
bogeyman out of it. And they tried and they tried
and they tried and it didn't even budge and
certainly no bogeyman fell out of it.
Karen: oh, bogeyman don't fall.
Tia: figure of speech.
Russ: but the potential is
Tia: uh-huh. I don't see....
Russ: in the future for other things
besides PK anyway.
Tia: correct but the
importance of individual groups dotted throughout
your country is a very useful tool. There's a young
lady in a far-off land where it's going into autumn
now that I wish we could have had present also for
meta-concerts and so on. (Nicole) There is a young
lady down in San Diego that would be useful to have
for meta-concerts. Another one in Arizona, another
one in Texas and all the individuals would have been
ideal to have together for a season of working on
meta-concerts. Unfortunately it's too late. Project
for Mark and myself and Kiri. Write up a "how to
meta-concert". All the rules and regulations in a
newsletter form to be sent out like his "how to
Russ: well we've got some
stuff on it already through Omal.
Russ: on the net.
Tia: yes, we can work with that in the
same way that Mark did the work last time of cribbing
a whole load of information but a little
bit simplified in its explanation and not so
long-winded. You don't want to sit there and have a
book this thick on how to meta-concert.
Russ: actually, it might be handy to
take a trip out Sedona way.
Tia: maybe, that's up to you guys to
decide, I can't tell you what or what
not to do.
Russ: oh of course.
Tia: anyway, let me put on the next
person as Karen has a limited time.
(she says goodbye in
(Omal follows up after Tia)
I'm going run down and get a soda,
should I put a
pot of tea on?
Omal: greetings and
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: greetings Omal.
Karen: hello Omal.
Johnny, greetings Karen, greetings Russ, live long
and prosper. Let us get down to business. I know my
voice sounds lighter than normal.
Russ: you're trying to
sound different from Omal...or Ashtar.
Omal: I was about to
say, I am Omal, I am trying to sound a little
different than the lightness that Ashtar was in
tonight. He was in a light mood is a best way to
Karen: is that good?
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: it is neither
good nor bad.
Karen: I see.
Omal: it is a neutral
Russ: it's better then
we heard last time he was here so....
Omal: oh most
Russ: we're quite
happy with lightness.
Omal: yes but last
time he was present it was, "you have done wrong,
you are not keeping your part of the deal, you are
not working hard enough." It was not a nice sight to
see. Fortunately I did not get reprimanded for my
easing off on you guys.
Russ: well you haven't
really eased off, you let us learn at our own
particular speed which is exactly what Ashtar would
Omal: the prior
meeting to that one was where I received as you
would put it, a reaming without Vaseline.
Russ: why? He gave us
good marks on that one.
Omal: yes but I had
eased up and it had descended into mischievous fun
for certain individuals up here.
Russ: ahh, well don't
ease up, just keep us keep us on our track.
Omal: feather fights
and water fights and panty fights and so on.
Russ: oh those, oh I
Russ: that reaming.
Russ: oh okay, yeah
that was a reaming.
Russ: okay. You're a
busy guy so tonight we're working on preparations
for the future.
Russ: okay. Now one of
the main preparations as he was saying, is spreading
Russ: okay, now we are
going and getting into that on the Internet and as I
mentioned to Tia, maybe a good idea would be to make
some runs to other places so...
Russ: that's something
to look into and possibly research.
Omal: I was informed
that a discussion on bringing various groups and
individuals together for a channeling debate.
Omal: we have
confirmation that Ashtar would be able to make
himself available for such a session or, Ashtar if
he is unavailable, has put in a request to a higher
authority and hopefully we will have an answer back
on that soon.
Russ: well I have got
the place lined up.
Omal: that will be
with that outside of the higher authority's ten year
(the chance of Sananda
visiting normally was only once every ten years)
Russ: that will be a
Russ: so we are to
proceed with that so I can start contacting some
folks and start putting some feelers out?
Russ: okay, that's
what I was waiting for.
Karen: how soon is
this supposed to happen?
Russ: well it depends
on the feelers I put out and who I talk to.
Omal: I think Karen
was referring more to the upcoming events.
Omal: that we cannot
give out that kind of information at this time. As
you are aware you are on Defcon 2 which is the one
before things happen. Now as for groups expanding
outside of the area, that is a useful tool also that
the connections that will be made outside of that
group will help individuals from this group to grow
as well. After all, does not the teacher learn from
Karen: that's right.
Russ: Omal, question
for you. You heard what I mentioned to Ashtar about
this group that we're being asked to join here.
Russ: it's working
with a real-time discussions and chats and
everything with all light angelic beings,
lightworkers and star seeds and all that.
Russ: people who are
working with Ashtar Command and beyond that.
Russ: well, any
contacts I make there might be ideal if they're close enough to make a road trips to
talk to them in person.
Russ: and starting
groups in those areas where those people are
Omal: uh-huh. It is
likely that those areas and groups will have things
already present. Yes feline, you have a question?
Karen: I think he
wants to know if he can use his face next to you to
Omal: I think that is
self-evident that he has his mind made up. But, let
us get back to the issue at hand and not the
feline's request for petting.
Karen: so are we still
going to collect as much rice and starches and stuff
like that and....?
Omal: I think that
would be necessary even if it does not get to the
stage where food become scarce, it will certainly
save on budgeting later on.
Omal: can you move the
Karen: the purring's
like right on my....
Russ: excuse me.
Karen: what about
water supply because even if it's runoff from the
mountains, if something happens to that shouldn't we
get bottled water and...
Omal: yes, water
purifiers, water tablets and so on. Dehydrated water
is a useful tool to have, all's you have to do is
just add water.
Karen: oh very good.
Is everybody in that mood today?
Omal: I have centuries
worth of humorous comments and jokes.
Karen: so we can also
use plants and everything else that gives off water
as well right?
Omal: but you have to
careful, some substances that come off of certain
plants can have an entertaining effect. Certain
cactus' with the water that comes off of them and if
left unattended, can certainly have some very "fun"
effects for the individuals watching from outside.
Omal: if you are
referring to cactus', there is one that you should
avoid at all costs. It is the San
Juan cactus that the juices and the roots
have, I know Russ will enjoy this and so will
Johnny, a psychedelic effect on one's perception of
Russ: where do we get
Karen: that could
prove interesting........I'm kidding.
Omal: they are rare.
You may try the mesas of the Four Corners and
further down into New Mexico and down on into Mexico
Karen: that is if we
get that far.
Omal: yes but I am not
recommending them, I am just remembering of a time
bygone. But, using substances for a spiritual thing,
it is necessary to make it a special event and
occurrence. For example, peyote is used in religious
Omal: alcohol is used
in religious ceremonies.
Omal: as is marijuana
and other substances such as cocoa. If you wish to
continue using those substances in the future when
they become scarce, it is necessary to make a
religious ritual out to them as was done in the past
to increase the significant powers involved.
Russ: make them into a
learning experience, not just a fun experience.
Omal: you can do both.
Omal: any more
Karen: just one on
Karen: I've been
asking Mark and everybody else, if you can't astral
travel......I mean I've got this problem of just
leaving myself wanting to. I mean I'm normally
getting summoned out of here.
Karen: and I haven't
the slightest clue by who.
Karen: but I'm just
wondering if there was any chance to where I could
probably go by myself instead of being summoned?
Omal: yes, there is
always that possibility that you could do it
yourself. I do astral travel but it would better to
ask somebody that is more used to using astral
travel as a tool. Johnny, do you have a question?
John: I'm getting
ready for a road trip.
John: my dad's flying
out and we're going to be taking my old, old truck
John: and yeah I'm
really looking forward to seeing my family and
getting back there and sharing with this
Omal: yes, with "the
hole in the wall gang".
John: yes, "the hole
in the wall gang" yes.
Omal: question, who is
Butch Cassidy and who will be Sundance?
John: oh that's hard
to say. I'll probably be Butch and my brother Scott
would be Sundance.
Omal: whatever you do,
do not go down to Bolivia for some fun and
increasing your wealth but back to your question.
John: oh, I was just
curious about the road trip you know.
John: hopefully it
will go off without any major events. I just got the
travel maps from the Triple A and we've got a route
worked out and I'm just hoping that the trip goes
Omal: yes I do not
foresee any serious problems. It may be nice to
carry extra water, engine coolant may come in handy.
Omal: yes transmission
fluid but you are obviously aware of all the
necessary extras to carry. An extra bit of cash to
buy stickers from each state to decorate your
vehicle so you can say, "yes, I've been here, I've
been there" and so on.
Karen: been here, done
John: well that's one
problem I do have is a pretty limited cash flow. I
mean I'll have enough to get across country with my
what my father's bringing but yeah but my cash flow
Omal: is tight.
John: very tight at
Omal: just use a lot
of as Tia puts it to wear some of her swimsuits,
Karen: one more
Karen: how many people
should there be in each individual group more or
Omal: enough for a
meta-concert which would involve an executive,
conductor, primary and secondary, preferably two in
the secondary. So that would be 5 to 6 individuals.
Karen: so if you have
seven, you've got enough?
Omal: correct. Russ?
Russ: nothing yet.
Omal: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Karen: thank you.
John: thank you very
Omal: live long,
prosper and, I'll be back. One to beam up.
returns as Ring Mistress)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Karen: hello again.
Tia: hello, I'm back. Okay, any more
questions for me? Willpower indeed...huh.
Karen: one of these days, I'd like to
Tia: oh, we'll see if we can set up
for a channeling session. She is the most talkative
out of my Cubs.
Russ: well she's not going to be quite
as talkative as Leonedies of course but...
Tia: no, no. That's a totally
different league and ballgame and we may have him
present for the next channeling session if he
behaves himself and stops disemboweling and taking
toys to pieces.
Karen: you've got to do something with
John: is this comet Beetlebob, is that
going to have any profound affect on this planet?
Tia: spiritually, it may have some.
The comet Hale-Bopp is...
John: Hale-Bopp excuse me.
Tia: Beetlebob. Actually
I prefer that name, sounds good, Beetlebob.
There is a lot to watch for, it's going to be
spectacular and you're going to be in some nice
places to watch it from so it will be fun for you.
Any more questions?
Tia: who took my buddy away?
Karen: he was purring.
John: he was purring into the
Tia: yes I heard. Okay,
let me put on the next individual.
(Karra quickly wraps up side one)
Karra: hello, greetings.
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hello, hello, hello, hello,
hello. Okay, let me see, do you have any questions?
Russ: question for you about
Russ: and the ability to foresee
events in the near future.
Russ: now Karen here is able to see
stuff apparently in the far future.
Karra: well the far future
is a little tricky. It's all reliant on fields of
probability. Tia's the one that deals with
probabilities and predictions but from what she said
as she is cleaning her claws off is that predicting
is difficult. Is the incident going to occur in six
weeks, six months or six years? You're not too sure
on what's going to happen. You use
information that is around you and project it into
the future so people may appear.....
(Karra completes the sentence she had started)
......going to be now or much later using six years
as just a number. It could be 60 years for all's you
Karra: but looking into the future it
is difficult. With our history if I get this right,
if I don't I'll probably get corrected,
life expectancy, people are seeing things of events
that were going to happen and in fact did when they
were in their early 20's to a 100 years old. And
then it didn't happen for another seven to eight
hundred years but those events did happen and the
scale depends on the life expectancies of the
individuals. Sometimes it is longer than the life
expectancy of the individuals. For example, Mother
Shipton, Nostradamus, the writer of the Revelations
and so on. All these things are projections over a
long period of time that don't involve the
individual. Those can be quite suspect.
Karra: and I got it pretty close to
Karen: but I.....
Russ: well what I'm working.......oh
Karen: no well what I was going to
say, mine aren't that far in the future though.
Everything I've seen is normally taking place within
Karra: sometimes it does happen on a
short scale but sometimes there are events that
happen on much wider, longer-term scale. It's
difficult to really project out. Tia's the expert on
Russ: okay well with the future I'm
talking about is within hours, minutes, seconds.
Karra: those are short-term
predictions, things that are easy to perceive.
Russ: but what I'm thinking is, is the
human nature, yourself of course included, see
things as they are going to be in the short term
even though maybe you haven't consciously projected
it but you feel like that that's going to happen and
it feels like okay, let's do this because it's going
Karra: that is taking external
information and projecting it into a format that
works well with the future.
Russ: okay and then is that something
that's like genetic code kind of thing?
Karra: no, it is more along the lines
of being very perceptive and using the external data
to be analyzed and coming up with the correct
Russ: okay so for example, when I'm
working with Johnny on this latest little problems
Russ: I personally didn't foresee the
future in this or anything but just went on gut
instinct that this is what I was supposed to do and
then according to Ashtar, this is something him and
I have already worked out that this works well for
Russ: so even though it's not
something I would've wanted to do, it just felt like
I had to do at the time and.....
Russ: so the question is, is this
guides, is this my own superego controlling my
decisions on this due to the fact that it knows when
I made the agreement with Johnny so long ago?
Karra: you would be best to talk to
our Sirian religious expert if she ever gets back
with the Band-Aids and
Russ: ahh, okay.
Karen: now I mean that's almost like
more or less I mean his analogy or what he was
trying to say, is that like the same thing to where
why I left my ex?
Karra: it's possible, yes. That
Karen: because I have been trying to
leave him to three years and......
Karra: yes, things that were planned
in the past in as Ashtar put it, the waiting period,
tend to come to fruition later on and hold on one
second, I've....... tell you what, let me hop out,
I've got to put a test on.
Russ: how could she get you so you
need to put Band-Aids on?
Karen: I said I have another question
for you, are you coming back?
Karra: okay, ask me the question.
Karen: since you're the healer up on
the base and I'm more or less a healer
period......I'm going to smack you.
(Ed: talking to me)
Russ: she's bleeding all over the
place right now.
Karen: she's bleeding, I'm sorry.
If there is a problem that I need to have
or.......say something's wrong with me and I need
some help, is there any way of finding out if
there's other ways of dealing with the problem
instead of just going to the doctor?
Karra: yes there is of course myself
who has cured things but relating to lumps and cysts
and so on......
Karen: you're reading my mind?
Karra: the most powerful place to look
Karra: I can help direct and focus
that energy. Russ, dig out those tapes "the healing
of Carrie", they will help.
Karra: okay. Now I've got to hop out
there may be a little delay. See you guys later.
Russ: bye love.
Karen: bye Karra.
(Tia returns after savaging Karra accidentally)
Russ: you ought to be.
Tia: hey, she provoked me.
Russ: oh please, you have no control
over those things.
Tia: what things?
Russ: that (makes slashing noises).
Tia: caught her on the arm and then
she made another comment and from where I was
Russ: caught her on the pass, yeah I
Tia: uh-huh, actually the side of her
leg, down through here. Sliced through her toga,
right through and it's actually quite a bit of a
mess. I didn't realize I dug in that deep. But it's
fatty tissue anyway.
Russ: it's not very fat.
Tia: yes I know.
Russ: well now that you're through
Tia: hey, I never disemboweled anybody,
want to come closer and I'll show you disemboweling?
Karen: oh I want to see.
Tia: I'm putting on the last speaker
at this point. We have no other speakers at present.
(Kiri gets on next)
Russ: the Sirian religious expert.
Kiri: oh yes, me? Cool.
Russ: well you were mentioned.
Kiri: oh I was?
Kiri: do I get a OBE?
Kiri: out of body's efforts. Okay,
what do you want to know?
Karen: who's first?
Russ: concerning working with
decisions that are made due to agreements that are
made during the waiting period, are those controlled
by the superego who knows the agreements that were
made and influence the decisions that are then
Kiri: partly yes. There are other
factors that come into play such as as you stated
when you were asking, guides, they
also play a part. Also there is a little bit like
the cascade effect. Remember we discussed the
cascade effect a while ago?
Kiri: okay certain key events are
programmed into the individual in the waiting period
not only by the superego but by external outside
influences. The reaction that is generated by this
can be kind of automatic.
Russ: is this a sixth dimensional kind
Kiri: pretty much so yeah that certain
events are necessary to happen and the final lesson
is forgiving what happened during those events and
able to maintain friendships and to be able to visit
each other like in the past and behave as if those
events did not happen.
Russ: so you have a personal example
of that could share with us perhaps?
Kiri: not really, only a story that my
grandmother told me about my mother a long time ago.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: but it's something I don't
want to go into at this time.
Russ: it's bad?
Kiri: uh-huh because I'm still trying
to come to terms with that but that in itself could
be an example of forgiving.
Kiri: you know, the departure at a
premature age of mother.
Russ: well with the reappearance of
(Ed: Miranda, daughter of Alana and myself)
Kiri: that is something that will have
to be addressed later when she gets her
Russ: correct, 21 years from now.
Russ: 20, yeah 19 years to go.
Kiri: uh-huh, 19 years to
go and a long time.
John: how is mother doing?
Kiri: oh grandmother?
Kiri: she's doing fine. She's well and
still staying in her room and they spend a lot of
time talking. Sarah's out of a lot of her pain but
unfortunately she has what we call now accelerated
Karen: I've got a question.
Karen: like I was mentioning on the
astral traveling being taken involuntarily.
Karen: now are certain key aspects
happening in my life to or where they are doing
Kiri: I think that would be something
that you alone can decide and understand. I'm not
able to say that yes you did, no you didn't. That
takes somebody of much higher dimensional awareness
than myself and unfortunately the person that is
ideally suited to do that has left. Omal is still
hovering around and keeping us in line or trying to
anyway, actually he's
helping put on a Band-Aid at the moment. But.......
Russ: hmm so, going back
over past life experiences.......
Russ: one can see something of the
relationship between the waiting period agreements
and the decisions made later.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes there are. They
become self-evident after-the-fact. The fact that
Ashtar laid what was going on very much on the
ground and said okay, this is how it is and he
hinted at the necessary reaffirming of friendship.
something a little off the line from this but a
question on it, how do tarot cards figure into the
Kiri: into predicting the future?
Russ: yeah I mean is there something
with the guides, the superego, the agreements,
the decisions and all that?
Kiri: it is a combination but tarot
cards are also the tapping in of the reader into the
matrix of the subconscious mind. The mind that you
can't read. Getting back to Sarah and her thing,
she's picked out the lining for her return box and
also has it pretty much finished. Got some
interesting carvings from the pictures I've seen on
Russ: hmmm. So she'll
going to be going on to a sixth dimensional
existence or a third dimensional do you think? She
spent a lot of time in sixth dimension though....
Kiri: yes, maybe sixth dimensional, I
Russ: I do too.
Kiri: uh-huh. After what she's been
through, she could probably...
Russ: she earned it.
Kiri: earned it......
Russ: but only she can make the
Kiri: that's correct. Only she knows
if it's right for her or not. Which I've
never seen her since we've had her up on the base
and then when we took her to Sirius, I've never seen
her so happy. But she has told me that she knows
when her time is and she's told me that she
is going to let me know like a week in advance so I
can go and be with her.
Kiri: uh-huh. At the moment she looks
like she's about 45 but she'll always
be a young 20-year-old to me.
loud noise happens)
Karen: just playing with my box.
Russ: I just closed it.
Karen: it's called a caboodle.
Kiri: oh okay.
Russ: you could put a kitten in it.
Karen: no you don't.
Russ: it would be a kitten caboodle.
think yourself lucky that Tia's not around.
that was good, I couldn't hold back.
Kiri: okay we get everybody out of the way,
we don't have anybody pounding on the door this
Russ: how is she doing?
Kiri: she's doing fine. We've got
about how many more minutes? Turned over at about
Russ: we've got at least 10 minutes
Kiri: yeah, we can use that up in idle
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: or I can put on the Tia monster.
Russ: well what is Lyka's condition
now? Is she back to.......
Kiri: she's over the hump.
Kiri: uh-huh. I mean the orgy of last
week....was it last week or the week before?
Russ: last week.
Kiri: yeah last week did help
Russ: last Tuesday night.
Kiri: to get her to come down the
other side. The fact that she's had to have that
happen once more but it didn't take as long to get
the testosterone out of her system.
Russ: she's probably starting to enjoy
Kiri: yes she is actually.
Kiri: but she had some of her platoon
mates do it to her which makes me think that she was
enjoying it tremendously.
Russ: she probably encouraged it.
Kiri: uh-huh. Well thing
they did was attack her with feathers beforehand,
all very kinky. You would've enjoyed it Johnny.
Eight young ladies with feathers tickling the hell
out of one individual that was handcuffed and
chained by the feet.
John: whew, whew that gives me shivers
just thinking about it.
Kiri: I only heard about it
unfortunately, they didn't invite me.
Russ: well you didn't get invited to
the last one.
Kiri: true, true. I think we ought to
do it to her once more.
Russ: oh at least.
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh. Suggestion from
Kiri: who's going to be back on in a
Kiri: about after the channeling
session that the three of you sit down, have a cup
of tea and have a bull shitting session.
Kiri: she's apologizing to Karra at
the moment profusely. It's actually funny to watch.
Russ: oh I can imagine.
Kiri: uh-huh. She's kissing her
shoulder and her tush.
Kiri: see you guys later.
Russ: bye Kiri.
John: see you later, thank you.
(Tia's back to finish up side
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi again in Durondedunn)
John: anyone ready for a cup of tea?
Tia: I'd love a cup of tea.
John: I thought so. I made you a cup
of Earl Grey too.
Tia: (blows raspberries at him)
John: do you want some, Earl Grey?
Russ: yeah, sounds delicious.
Tia: uh-huh. I think that was a great
idea of mine.
Russ: road trip.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes but it's important to
keep in communication. The fact that
everybody's been assembled here by pre-destiny
and past lives to work together.
Russ: yeah I don't doubt.
Tia: uh-huh. What else? Karra did her
nudist thing for Lyka in the tent before the race.
Russ: what nudist thing?
Tia: oh she stripped down.
Tia: before the race and sort of like,
"you get down here first and when you're ready, this
is the gift". It's probably why she hammered down
there. Also she had a friend with her that kind of
got semi-involved. Karra agreed so the
two gold and silver medalist's get what they want.
Russ: umm good.
Russ: you owe me an apology.
Tia: for what?
Russ: a sympathetic pain.
Tia: that was unintentional,
she hadn't made those comments.
(Ed: didn't make it onto the tape)
Russ: right here okay?
Tia: if she hadn't made those
Russ: oh well yeah, I didn't make the
comments did I? I get the pain. Don't I get an
Tia: well you shouldn't be so close.
her tongue out at me)
Russ: excuse me, twin soul.
Tia: hey, did you get the kisses?
Russ: no, I didn't get the kisses
either. So what's up with this huh?
Russ: I'm not giving anything
out of it except the pain. I deserve something
Tia: do you think I should apologize?
After all he was in on the cat comments as well
as you guys.
Russ: I did not say a word about the
Tia: hey kitten caboodle.
Russ: excuse me, that was not anything
that was derogatory on any cats. Kitten caboodle is
a very common expression down here.
Tia: no you said put the cat in the
Russ: yeah, taking them down to go put
them at the store. You need a box to put them in.
recent litter of kittens had been born)
John: and kitten caboodle is actually
a brand of cat food.
Tia: uh-hmm, that's what Joey
eats. (Mark's cat) Sorry.
Russ: thank you, apology
John: I mean my comments about the
cats were quite rude but I don't think Russ was
really out of line.
Tia: uh-huh but getting to cats, cats
are little minds on my planet. They're kind of
spiritual beings so we tend to look after them and
the fact that we can communicate, it's like being
able to communicate with another animal on your
planet with ease. And to us, because we can
communicate and talk to them, even though it's....
John: is it a verbal communication or
a telepathic communication?
John: it is a verbal communication.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. It's......
Russ: that makes them sentient.
Tia: uh-huh, so we call them little
minds and we take care of little minds like the
reason why I like you guys so much apart from the
fact that we've all worked together in the past and
Mark's my triple soul, is the fact that you have the
same way of reacting to cats as we do on our home
planet. I would almost say that you are the nearest
earthlings that would be the equivalent to
Durondedunn's on my planet.
Russ: there are people who react a lot
better than we do.
Tia: yes they are that I know and I
only a few of yours too.
Russ: oh, that's true.
Tia: but cats
are very spiritual animals and something that is
important to our spiritual growth. Cats are little
minds, they're little us' as we were millions and
millions of years ago. They are a reflection of that
apart from their communicating capable and they're
sentient of course. They're spiritual animals. At
our shrines and temples and monasteries there
are lots of cats that hang out and
they are part of the ritual hunts that we do that
you will have six or seven priestesses and the high
priestess go off on a hunt and you'll
have probably twice as many cats that come along and
the cats will watch and participate and get smaller
game. For example, they may bring down something
like a "sheedar".
John: a what?
Tia: it's kind of.....
Russ: a deer-like animal.
Russ: I thought that's what it was the
last time we talked about it?
Tia: no, a sheedar is different from
what we talked about last time. That was a "hannah",
which a deer-like animal.
Russ: oh that's right.
Tia: a sheedar is..........the best
way to describe it is from what I've
seen, a bigger version of your rabbits.
John: oh okay.
Tia: kind of like four times the size
of your hares, jackrabbits as you call them.
Russ: that's a big bunny.
Tia: uh-huh. And they'll bring
down one or they may bring down yeah eight or nine
of them and they will bring them to the monastery
themselves. Each one carrying this animal that's
about the size they are between their legs. Drag
them all the way back to the base. They will feast
on maybe two or three of them and the rest, the
skins are always cut off, the skins are dried and so
are the heads and the heads are kept for spiritual
purposes. The fur is used for clothing
and so on and the flesh is used to eat, the bones
are used as tools for religious ceremonies and so on
the cats will eat maybe two, three of
them or they'll go out and hunt more,
depends on how many there are. And they understand
as well as we understand the necessary
to maintain the balance.
Tia: but they're big rabbits. Huge
beautiful ears. They're great for tickling with as
John: and I take it....
(a phone rings)
Tia: let it ring.
John: there's several varieties of
John: right from what we call our
domesticated cat right up through lions and tigers.....
John: and larger species?
Tia: no. The biggest that they go is
about the size of pumas.
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: uh-huh. Nothing bigger than that
because we are the bigger versions.
John: I see.
Tia: uh-huh and we don't
have the manes and the tails or anything but that's
what we are descended from. If your planet was on
the same evolutionary scale as ours, as your
gorillas and chimpanzees and so on are your
relatives, so are the cats and the puma equivalent
and the tigers. The tigers and lions
are the missing......well not the missing
branch but the fossil branch.
Tia: uh-huh, tape's about ready to end
as well. So....
Russ: it's unusual to hear about
another planet and its evolution, it's almost like a
science fiction except it's science fact.
Tia: yeah, you could say that. Your
planet's science fiction to me anyway. Well not so
much science fiction as.......
Russ: I mean you've seen this planet,
you're seeing this planet. Now we
on the other hand have nothing but...........
Tia: stories of.
Russ: stories right.
Tia: stories of Durondedunn.
Russ: Mark has seen it but that's
Tia: uh-huh. Oh the great houses and
the park lands and the forests. Actually it's
something I really do miss is climbing around in
trees in the buff. Used to love doing that as a
little girl. We don't have so much of a clothes
taboo as you guys do.
Russ: probably warmer weather too.
Tia: yeah, down in the low lands but
up in the mountains they wear fur more than they
wear clothing. But it's done nicely, hair-like
jackets and so on.
John: how about the relationship of
water to land, is it similar like our planet it's
about three quarters water to about one quarter
Tia: ours is a little less. I should
say it would be, what's it? About 3/16 which is just
under a quarter.....no it would be a little bit more
than 3/16. Something like about 7/32 is about the
equivalent so it's just under a quarter.
John: so you actually have more water
on your planet then we do on ours?
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. And that
there are people like myself that don't like
water. I don't like big open bodies of water.
Swimming in rivers is fine to a certain extent.
Swimming in pools and ponds, that's okay to a
certain extent, I don't personally enjoy it.
There are other people on my planet that almost live
in the water.
Russ: Dolphin Lake does not entice you
I take it?
Tia: no, no. I'm the person that sits
in the middle the boat when going boating. Don't you
remember that story that Mark told you?
Russ: I remember.
Tia: uh-huh, I'm the person that holds
on for dear life. I wear my life vest,
I wear flotation devices as much as possible.
Russ: you're surrounded
Russ: well you'd never drown..
John: do you swim?
Tia: yes, but not very well.
John: so you're not real comfortable
when in big bodies of water?
Tia: uh-huh, I will go to the swimming
pool from time to time, preferably not when the
hairy guys are around.
Wookies on the base)
Tia: I will go swimming, I won't swim
on my own. I prefer to have Mark there or Kiri or
Alana or Lyka. I'm not a strong swimmer. I will dive
in, I don't like being underwater for any length of
time. You'll never get me in Lake Dolphin in a
wetsuit diving down to great depths like Alana does
which she can't do at the moment.
Russ: no, because of her
Russ: it can't be that dangerous for
Tia: change of pressure and stuff.
Russ: but she's only 3 1/2 weeks old.
John: but that could do damage to the
Tia: correct, correct, if she goes
deep. Don't forget, you go down like two hundred
feet, you've got two atmospheres around your body.
Russ: that's true.
Tia: you don't want the cavity in the
womb being crushed.
Tia: so she's only allowed to go down
25 feet now and the dolphins cooperate
Tia: okay, next week we may have
Tia: that's all I can project at this
time, we may have Lyka, we may. Depends on her
Russ: I'll will not antagonize her
John: is Leonedies been behaving
Tia: well there it does depend on how
well he does behave himself. The comment about him
dissecting and disemboweling toys is true. The fact
that he almost had his arm opened up by one of my
girls is a part explanation. Her favorite doll,
Russ: he's taking his life in his
hands at that point.
John: now with all your technology,
isn't there some toys that you could come up with
that are specifically designed for him to
Tia: yes there are, there are and he
does have them. But the fact is that the inquiring
mind that you can't have all the toys like that.
Besides, my girls, they don't like those kind of
toys that can be taken to pieces. They like nice,
soft, fluffy toys. They like lifelike dolls that
have all the stiffness and everything in the joints.
And the fact that he disemboweled and took it down
almost to a molecular level, the only thing that was
left was strawberry blonde hair and a pile of ashes
and he wouldn't put it back together.
John: but he did have the capability
if he chose to.
Tia: if he understands how to do it.
Tia: I don't know if he does
understand how to do it. At the moment he is going
through the moral problem of what is true.
Russ: poor guy.
Russ: better him than me.
Tia: he will not say if his comments
are true or not true or if he wishes and desires to
Russ: he'll learn.
Tia: yes, hopefully he'll learn. Okay
well the tape's pretty much over, we've got probably
a minute or two.
Russ: we can cut it close, we can cut
it off short.
Tia: no, no, no, no, we want to use
that. There's nothing worse than having a blank
piece of tape at the end. Don't you agree Johnny?
John: I agree.
Tia: especially as this is an
important tape. Now let's see, what could the name
be for this tape? Ashtar meets Karen?
Tia: or let me see, farewell and
welcome? Or welcome and farewell.
Russ: well we still have one more with
Tia: yes, hopefully, hopefully. It
depends what happens if Mark is fully recovered from
his goof up.
Russ: what goof up?
Tia: oh he goofed.
John: oh he messed up bad coming back
from Hades Base last night.
Russ: what'd he do? This is
the first I've heard of it. Is this because he was
Tia: that was an end result.
John: he made an error in judgment
when he came back. He wasn't totally focused from
the way he explained it to me and.......
Tia: you see, Johnny knows more than I
do. All's I know is that he goofed up and when I
popped into his head I yelped for the simple reason
that I felt the pain. And I did not know until he
mentioned that he was feeling much better and his
headache was going and I go, "oh, you had a
headache?" And he goes, "yeah my stomach's feeling
better." And it's sort of like, "your stomach?" And
he's sort of like, "nothing happened." And it's sort
of like, "why was your stomach upset?"
John: he was.....when he heard you
yelp, he knew he was in serious problems or the