Archivist notes: This
tape was picked out at random as are
most of the ones chosen for the podcasts but on
review, there is no such thing as random
anything. It is full of laughter and tears,
beginnings and endings. We get to meet
Huna/Bunny for the first time which made for a
very funny and memorable meeting.
listeners up to speed, Sarah was a young woman
on Earth who was abducted by the Zeta Reticuli
who performed some experiments that took a
horrible toll on her body. The ship she was on
was intercepted by Ashtar Command who rescued
her and brought her back to the base to be
healed. The damage to her body was too great and
the time left for her to live was limited. Near
the end of that time she was taken to Sirius to
spend time in hospice with Kiri and Karra's
grandmother who lived as a nun in a monastery
high up in the mountains.
The monastery was
normally accessible only by hiking in and using a
local pack animal called a mal due to the the rules
of the monastery. Special dispensation had been
granted to Sarah who had been flown in. Kiri was
visiting her for the last time and conveyed her
final words to the group of us on the base who knew
her the best.
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(Tia comes on to
start the night off)
Tia: super duper, duper, duper, duper.
Russ: everyone's home.
Tia: yes, everyone's home. Okay
tonight, guest speakers are.......I'll let her
introduce herself. She wants to introduce herself.
Okay now let me briefly skip through a few items so
that we get nice and freshly underway. Let me see,
okay, stock market today dropped a hundred and one
points on the Dow. What's going on at the moment
with the drops and it's dropped below 8,000 is
profit taking. People are pulling out and taking
profit of the money that they've made just recently.
Now it is worth watching to see what transpires at
this point. Okay, that's the stock market out of the
way......UPS strike, how is it affecting the United
States economy? Well at the moment it's not
affecting it too much but if this strike continues,
it's going to destroy one of the largest
organizations for transporting goods. What is
happening? Well it seems to be a fight over union
controlling the pension plan and the company
controlling the pension plan.
Russ: in other words, retirement K
Tia: 401(k) plan.
Russ: yeah 401(k)?
Tia: yes, correct.
Russ: because the company's using it
to make investments and make money on?
Russ: typical business strategy.
Tia: uh-huh and a very sound and good
one. The unions want to be able to control it which
is a bad move.
Russ: yeah, they want to make the
Tia: no, they
have no idea on how to make the money. Well they do
but they're not prepared to take the necessary risks
to do so. In the long run it benefits the employees
that the company keeps control because for a company
to be successful, it has to be good with business.
For a union to be successful, it doesn't have
anything to do with business at all. So it is more
along the lines of the union wants to control it to
have control of the profits for the union
i.e., the high officials in the union to have a much
more bigger salary, bigger income.
Russ: well they probably heard the bad
media about companies that use the 401(k) to invest,
lose the investment and lose the retirement plans of
Tia: who's giving this dissertation?
Russ: oh, sorry.
Tia: thank you. I'm asking rhetorical
Tia: that don't need a answer. So the
unions want control of the 401 retirement (k) plan.
The company wants to keep it. Who is better suited
to control it? Obviously ergo the business.
By......stop snickering. So what is going on? Well
the thing about they want more people to go
full-time. Yes that is a good idea in essence. Let
us take a theoretical number. Let us say you have a
staff of 50,000 in the company, that's
management, supervisors and regular full-time and
part-time employees. Out of that 50,000, 25,000 are
part-time. Let's say you want to increase the
number of full-time positions. Now there's two ways
to do this. One is to go out and drum up more
business and two is to cut the staff of part-timers
so that the other part-timers that are left, let's
say you cut fifty percent of the part-timers right?
So that would be 12,500 employees that would go
full-time. The other 12,500, what happens to them?
If the business isn't growing but is staying the
same and making a profit, those 12,500 are useless.
In actual fact they start to make the company lose
money. So for a company to maintain its
profitability you have to get rid of that 12,500.
What has been achieved at this? Well by doing this
you have downsized the company but you have not made
any substantial gains, you
are staying the same. You're
being competitive but those 12,500 people that are
now unemployed, who's responsible for
that? The unions are responsible because they wanted
more full-time positions so ergo that is a moot
point. You want more people to work full-time, well
you have to lose some of your part-time people to
give those other part-time people full-time status.
Why do that? Well, it makes people feel good,
they're now full-time. Why are the unions trying to
make those people full-time? They obviously do not
understand the ramifications of doing that. Okay let
us move along now to something a little bit more
lively and enjoyable. Reports recently of 14 to
18-year-olds state that they are more interested,
not in making money, but in high morals or higher
morals. But the questions were asked and worded in
such a way as, "which do you think is better?" Not,
"what do you feel is better?" but, "which do you
think is better?" Asking questions like this is
designed as more of a feel-good exercise, it
achieves nothing. Okay let us look at the recent
welfare reforms. Well apparently when the bill was
signed last year, 1.5 million people went off of
welfare. What happened to these people? The
government is not too clear on that, in fact they
decidedly avoided the issue on what happened to
them. If they went off welfare, how many of them
actually went into the workforce. And, if you look
at the figures and the way it's set up, how many of
those are receiving things like food stamps, put
into low-rent that is subsidized by the government
and so on? So even though 1.5 million
people have disappeared off unemployment, they're
still being supported and subsidized by the
government. Ergo still supported and subsidized by
taxpaying people. Okay, now let us get down to
Russ: all right.....
Tia: when you're finished scribbling
Russ: this is due to the UPS.
I have found a third version that would work really
Russ: and that is.........it's
a policy that would be set up whereby you need to
bring on full-time people and reduce the size of
your part-time force.
Russ: okay? So instead of firing or
downsizing your part-time force, you don't hire any
new people right now.
Russ: but as a full-time person
leaves, you bring up a.....to retire or leaves the
company or for some reason........
Russ: you bring up a part-timer to
full-time and then you can hire someone to work
part-time but now if a part-timer leaves, you don't
hire a new person.
Russ: that way as the full people
leave, full-time people leave, the part-timers move
up and then you can replace that part-timer who left
with a new part-timer.
Tia: the unions won't go for that.
That is in essence what UPS is trying to do.
Russ: it's a great plan.
Tia: UPS is trying to do that, the
unions won't let them do that. Certainly there are
individuals that are becoming full-time through the
normal course of progression, people retire,
somebody fills their position and so on,
is the way that it is done and that is the way that
UPS wants it done. The union wants to make let's say
out of my theoretical number of 25,000 part-time
people, they want to make more than half of
those......so that would be more than 12,500
full-time whilst keeping the other people part-time.
What are those part-timers going to do for work if
half the workforce that is part-time becomes
Russ: well they'll cover routes that
don't need full-time coverage.
Tia: well that's the way it is now,
you see? The union will if it continues on its
course, destroy UPS because people will
go elsewhere, to the Postal Service, to Federal
Express, to the Flying Tigers, so
on. For shipping they will go to other people which
makes UPS have to lay off people.
Russ: well this is just setting up for
someone to step in where UPS was.
Russ: and then it would give more room
for more people to come in to the courier business.
Tia: career business?
Tia: could you...
Russ: as in courier, to carry
something from some place to another, a courier.
Tia: that's a new word to me.
Russ: oh okay.
Russ: no, courier.
Tia: not cree whatever.
Tia: okay that's a new word. Korea.
Tia: hmm okay.
Russ: anyway, that would bring up some
new people into the business that are currently out
of it because of the fact that UPS has got a
stranglehold on the whole corporation.
Russ: you have DHL, you've got Federal
Express, you have a few people out there but they're
not big time yet.
Tia: no, because UPS is the big.....
Russ: UPS has the planes, they've got
the trucks, they've got the corporation
but they're weak right now.
Tia: yeah due to the fact
of the unions.
Russ: sure and people are going to
find out how good those smaller companies actually
Russ: who normally wouldn't go with
anybody else, especially the businesses.
Tia: exactly, exactly. So the unions,
even though they're trying to do their members a
service, are doing them a disservice.
Now the other problem on the horizon for UPS is the
pilots and the pilots union. It's another trouble
brewing, one worth watching.
Russ: now with the UPS being
controlled by the Teamsters, is this going to have
any effect on truck deliveries as far as
cross-country food and other deliveries......
Tia: not yet.
Russ: of shipments?
Tia: not yet.
Russ: I mean you won't have a sympathy
strike from other Teamsters members?
Tia: no, I don't see that happening
Tia: the strike may go for another
week, may. It may go longer.
Russ: now do you feel it's kind of
shooting the....overshooting their bounds to call
the White House in to mediate between these two?
Tia: yes, yes, absolutely.
Russ: I mean it's not like they're
Russ: or something that has to do with
a major government function.
Tia: yeah they're not vital as has
Russ: yeah it's a private industry.
Russ: it's unreasonable to have the
government step in in a private industry's civil
Tia: well where does it stop? If you
call the government in to settle that dispute, where
does it stop?
Russ: well the buck stops at the
government. The government could get the blame for
this whole nine yards if it blows up in
Tia: uh-huh and it very
Russ: they were asked to come in
Tia: well the unions asked them to
Russ: sure and if they do it right and
they get this strike resolved fairly between the two
corporations, the government looks great.
Russ: good gamble on Clinton's side.
Tia: yes and it's a very dangerous
Russ: it could pay off big though.
Russ: I mean his stakes are
not.......it's not really a win-lose
situation, because he could just say at the end
going, "we gave it our best shot but
we ran into very much unreasonableness on the side
of whichever party decides to blow it up."
Russ: and they could be looking at,
"well hey, government gave it a shot, that's at
least something that...."
Tia: yeah but there is no right for
the government to be involved.
Russ: yeah but the majority of the
people aren't seeing that. The minority of people
who follow government are but on the whole, those
average Joe's and stuff who just read the paper are
just like, "oh, well that makes sense."
Tia: yeah but where does it stop? The
government comes in to settle this strike right? And
it goes well for them, let's say it goes well. Where
does it stop, does it stop on a
Russ: it stops when the
government.......whenever the government says it has
Tia: so, let us say that two people
are having a domestic disagreement right?
government steps in and says, "okay, we'll settle it
for you." Is that right?
Russ: no, that's a job for the
Tia: but that's the way it's heading.
Where does it stop?
Russ: not necessarily, something like
this isn't a court matter. You want to take the
union and the UPS and have them settle this in
Tia: no but I'm saying that let us say
that a husband and wife are having a
disagreement over let us say........retirement plan.
Tia: okay? The wife wants it in one
setup and the husband wants it in another setup.
Does the government have the right to intervene and
say where it should go?
Tia: but that's the way it's heading.
Russ: well, it's possible but I don't
see it going that way in the long run. I see it will
stop long before before that because the government
will see that as a possibility and won't let it go
Tia: the government very well might.
Russ: well yeah the government I think
is just they've stepped in in Ireland, they've
stepped in the Middle East, they stepped in China
and Taiwan, they stepped in in Hong Kong and China.
basically gone everywhere internationally and I
think they're trying to do the same thing on a
domestic level to show that their concern is also on
a domestic agenda.
Tia: yes but every time they step in
internationally, what happens?
Russ: actually, very good
stuff so far.
Tia: well last time they stepped in,
let's take northern Ireland.
Tia: they stepped in, there was a 15
month cease-fire and then kablooey, back to square
Russ: nobody blamed that on the U.S.
Tia: well why not?
Russ: it wasn't the government's
fault. Extremists in the IRA caused that blow up.
Tia: yes okay, let us look at this
right? Where did the money come from for the IRA to
start their terror campaign again?
Russ: Sinn Fein.
Tia: where did Sinn Fein get the money
Russ: well they've got their
supporters around the world, the United States and
Tia: not so much in Great Britain.
There are a few, but very, very minor.
Russ: well I mean you've got people
who.......like the guy who built
that silver car.......(John
DeLorean) .....whatever his name was...that
chrome car or...
Tia: well it doesn't matter.
Tia: but a lot of the money comes from
the United States. Okay let us look at Bosnia. Okay,
last September there was elections.........
Tia: which were basically a farce. You
end up with three people running the country right?
Three presidents, very strange setup,
haven't figured that one out. Now, supposedly there
were meant to be local elections. Those local
elections have been postponed and postponed and
postponed and they have been postponed again until
September which more than likely they
will be postponed again. Now, out of the two
million people that were homeless from that war
right? They were supposed to get help
and everything to move and settle back in. Out of
that, only 250,000 have returned home. Out of that,
only 10,000 have returned to their original ethnic
areas, it's not working.
Russ: yes but America isn't in charge
of all that, they're trying to
give Bosnia as much independence as they can and not
look like a United States puppet.
Tia: uh-huh, I'm going to quote you,
"it's a good thing that the US is going in there to
sort things out".
Russ: yeah, I agree.
Tia: but it's not sorted anything out.
Russ: no I'm not talking now, I'm
talking about earlier when they...first the war
Tia: yeah it stopped all right but
it's still going on, they're
still killing each other, car bombs, shootings and
so on. It's not as prevalent and the lines are no
longer drawn in a line.
Russ: it's not a war anymore.
Tia: exactly, but people are still
Russ: well people are getting killed
in the United States every day.
Tia: well why doesn't the government
do something about that?
Russ: because they're accidents.
Tia: oh, a drive-by shooting's an
Russ: yeah we have police but I mean
it's not like the government's going to declare
martial law, come in and basically put a soldier
with an M-16 on every corner to keep this stuff from
happening in the United States which is the same
thing you'd be looking at doing in Bosnia. So the
government's doing the right thing in this.
Tia: you think so?
Tia: well, let me look at it this way.......or
let us look at it this way.........as
soon as the headlines are over and the deals are
signed, your government basically goes pufft,
"you're on your own." Let us look at Haiti. At the
start of his run in office right? He said that after
the invasion, there would be....how long would your
troops be there, 18 months?
Tia: about 18 months. Well they
brought certainly a lot home but they sent just as
many back as support personnel to support the United
Nations peacekeeping force there in supplies and
communications and medical purposes. So in essence,
and they're all military personnel, nothing changed.
They just brought the front-line troops home and
replaced them with people that aren't capable of
stopping the trouble.
Russ: well I applaud that decision.
Russ: because history, and especially
20th-century history, has a lot of examples of
governments that have run countries and
when the countries got their freedoms back, the
government said, "okay, you're on your own,
goodbye." and left them with no support
services and nothing to really base a government on
which point they were taken over by coups or ended
up in total anarchy, dictatorships. No what we're
doing in all three places you mentioned....
Russ: is keeping a presence that if
not just on a political side as in Ireland.......
Russ: is actually a physical side as
you see in Haiti.
Russ: leaving the countries to
basically they're on their own but they've got their
friend to fall back on.
Tia: no they're not, they're not on
Russ: well pretty much everybody sees
them as on their own. I'm saying look at
Tia: they're puppets.
Russ: I know but look at perceptions.
Tia: is it right?
Russ: yes, absolutely.
Tia: it is right?
Tia: so it's right for a country to
have another country as a puppet?
Russ: until they get their feet
together and they can make it on their own,
I totally agree.
Tia: they're never going to get their
act together because the simple reason is that the
United States or any other country that does this
routine, Great Britain, Russia, so on, won't let
them. Because as soon as they do that, they lose
Russ: but we have a lot of
interests and investments in those countries.
Tia: you do?
Tia: name one in Haiti.
Russ: the sugar industry.
Russ: we have a sugar industry in
Haiti that we do get our sugar from because that's
one of their main exports is sugar.
Tia: yeah, but you can get sugar from
other sources, Hawaii.
Tia: sugar beet.
Russ: the prices are lower in Haiti.
Tia: slave labor.
Russ: fine but the prices are lower.
Tia: oh yes certainly.
Russ: we have investments that we are
protecting. We have major loans we've given
Russ: that we are.......
Tia: oh so it's a matter of protecting
your investments now is it?
Russ: well okay here's your scenario.
We pull out okay? We leave them all on their own.
Russ: which is what you I guess are
Tia: yeah pretty much so.
Russ: okay, all of a sudden they have
a fact where inflation starts to rise okay?
Russ: well, we can't get investments
from the United States because we can't show that we
have a government that's stable enough to encourage
investment from the World Bank.
Russ: therefore, people start losing
faith in the government, government
starts to collapse. In steps a military leader of
some sort to oust Astride or Asteide or whatever his
Russ: Aristide, and we're back at
square one again. Here
comes America again with it's troops, take over,
comes Aristide again. Okay, well we've gone through
that whole thing again......
Russ: we spent time, money, man-hours
and soldiers to keep them there in a place that we
should have kept a residual force in and help prop
up until that government is more stable.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay let's look at what
you've just said.
Tia: okay, you spend X number of
dollars on an invasion, you
spend X number of dollars keeping individuals in
that country right? To protect
investments from the United States companies right?
Tia: that have total control of those
companies producing sugar.
those companies pay taxes to the government.
Tia: that pay the troops to protect
Tia: who pays.......and
you say it works out cheaper?
Tia: it doesn't. If you take in to
fact that you are paying.......the companies
are paying the government taxes to keep the troops
there so that they have control, it
works out that the price is about the same.
You may find out that it's five cents cheaper
over.....five cents per pound cheaper.
That's peanuts. Because you are paying taxes to the
government and buying the sugar company's sugar that
pays the taxes to the government to keep the troops
there. You're paying for the troops. You're paying
the government to have those individuals there.
You're paying for their food, their clothing, their
lodging, their equipment, their transportation. So
is it correct to send troops there to protect sugar
that you're paying for the sugar, you're
paying for the troops and all the relevant
information that I've just stated with that?
Russ: well you left out one important
thing that we're paying for.
Tia: you don't pay for democracy.
Russ: well I think that that there's a
hard currency coin we are paying for democracy.
Tia: people pay for democracy in their
Tia: so, you've taken away the free
will of a people that are run by a bunch of third
dimensional companies to enforce third dimensional
philosophy and thinking that leads to no spiritual
growth. Doesn't matter if it's Haiti, Bosnia or
Northern Ireland. You perpetuate the cycle.
Russ: well I'm sorry if I'm in
complete disagreement with that but only because in
all three places, especially Bosnia and Haiti, we
are perpetuating freedom of choice, freedom of
religion, freedom to go out and make money and
maintain a Democratic society with a
capitalistic side to it whereby all people are able
to express their free will, get books and other
forms of materials that will help them in their
conscious growth as opposed to what we've seen in
Russia before and other dictatorships or other
military coup places where the government runs
everything, restricts religion, restricts thought,
restricts everything and keeps that consciousness at
a very low level.
Tia: you'd be surprised actually how
much different the facts are from what you're
stating. I'm running short on time as well. Okay let
me round up by saying that you go in there and,
using your own words, you force your will with your
capitalistic ideas, with your idea of freedom on
them. What if the people either don't really care or
don't want it? They've got it regardless
anyway. If there was the coup in the first place
Tia: and the sanctions were not
levied, what would've happened? We'll leave it on
Tia: I'll be back.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal takes over from Tia)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and how are you functioning?
Russ: functioning quite well, good
thoughts and spirits to you.
Omal: thank you. Actually Tia is quite
correct with her final statement. Okay let us first
of all look at a few key points that need to be
Omal: okay, stock market is good, UPS
is good, it would be better instead of saying some
coup country, specifically naming countries.
Omal: Ruwanda, Haiti, Uganda, Zaire,
Tanzanika and so on instead of saying
some coup country. Tia's comments on forcing an idea
on individuals and what she is implying is correct that
the people in that area should be allowed to make up
their own minds on what they want and if there is a
coup, there is a coup, this is part of their
learning. Having somebody step in and saying, "this
is the way it is" is wrong. Is it
right for us to come down to your planet and say,
"you're doing it all wrong, this is the way that it
is and this is how we're going to enforce it."
Omal: that is what Tia is trying to
say in a roundabout sort of way. That if you look on
it on a dimensional scale on trying to grow
spiritually, the struggle, the coup, the violence is
all part of the cycle and learning that needs to be
addressed. That by doing so, they are learning.
Whereas if you take away that learning tool of
violence, of coups, of being repressed, then you are
taking away their chance for advancement. They have
to learn those lessons all over again. So by forcing
what one person perceives as their moralistic point
of view is wrong. Your morals are different from
Mark's, as are different from Tia's, Kiri's,
Karra's, my own, Ann's, your friend Jack, your
friend Chris, Mark's friend Mike, they're all
different moral points of view and all are
valid. So for one person to say my morals are better
than your morals is wrong. Tia came close to saying
how it should be or how would it be beneficial for
all parties when she mentioned the third dimensional
way. If she had continued and followed that thought
process through, you would have seen where she was
trying to go. Tia's disadvantage is that English is
not her native language and she still does think in
Durondedunn and translates it into English. Okay,
any questions on this so far?
Russ: you are totally unarguable.
Omal: thank you, I
articulate better than Tia. English is one of my
Russ: quite well done.
Omal: thank you. Okay, let me get to
my dissertation. Difference between sixth
dimensional way of living and third dimensional way
of living. Sixth dimensional way of living is
basically concerned with dealing with the group and
interacting in the consciousness of a group of
beings of different ethnic, cultural backgrounds and
accepting that your morals are different from their
morals but yet interacting in a way where all morals
react and interact in a correct fashion that is
necessary for harmony. Harmony is an important part
of consciousness. Being able to interact and be
aware that something that you may take as pleasure
may irritate somebody else or be morally wrong for
somebody else and not practicing that in their
presence until you find otherwise is part of the
sixth dimensional, conscious, moral behavior.
Behaving in a way that is decadent, irritating and
annoying as perceived by other individuals is
morally wrong. Individuals being offended by your
morals in itself is morally wrong. It is an
acceptance of all the consciousness and moral
interactions in a sixth dimensional capacity.
Third dimensional morals. Third
dimensional morals vary from ethnic area to ethnic
area and from time period to time period. The
biggest problem that I perceive is not being aware
that certain moralistic behaviors and actions can
upset other individuals. For example, being
considerate of other people. Let us take a behavior
that is quite common, loud music. Let us take
classical music. Classical music for some people is
very irritating and very annoying. It is morally
wrong to force an individual's music on somebody
else. By turning the decibel level to an irritating
level is not only noise pollution but morally wrong
as well. This creates disharmony, disharmony leads
to other problems. And in doing so, the morals get
rubbed, inflamed and people get on their high horse
and create problems which creates more disharmony
and therefore interaction becomes a negative
characteristic. How to advance to a more harmonic
level takes patience, skill, persuasion and in
yourself being at harmony. Being in tune that
creates the necessary vibrational frequency for you
to confront the problem without getting angry,
irritated or annoyed. Such mental patterns do take
Comparing the two, there are no
comparisons, that is impossible to do. Trying to be
aware and advance to a sixth dimensional
consciousness is the goal that I am trying to lay
the groundwork for. For me to force my will, my
moral ideas and my principles of advancing to this
goal is wrong. I can lay out the pattern and leave
it up to you, whether you wish to
perceive it or not is your choice, the choice is
there for you. It is not there for enforcement, it
is there for your choice and your choice alone
leading you hopefully to a path that I perceive as
being harmonic for you. It is wrong to force the
will of individuals on a majority. It is up to the
individuals to accept and to learn what is right and
wrong so that their harmony can help them advance.
In conclusion, morals are important. Learning the
morals that are necessary for advancement to help
you on a spiritual pathway is the goal, the
objective. How you achieve those morals varies from
individual to individual. But it is important to
remember that interaction with harmony is important
to achieve the correct moral values. I think this
ties in very nicely with last week's dissertation.
Shorter certainly, more informative certainly. Do
you have any questions?
Russ: a couple, yes. First off,
wouldn't an individual's color scheme as for example
blue painted walls force a change over the group as
Russ: okay. Just wondering about some
individual who painted the corner bar up on the
establishment near Mark, Kiri and Tia's apartment)
Russ: as being a sixth dimensional perhaps not
Omal: that was a prank.
Russ: oh I understand that but I'm
sure it was grasped as a enjoyable learning
experience as a group as a whole which would
be found in sixth dimensional terms.
Omal: correct. It is necessary to
remember humor is an important growing tool. The
fact that it did irritate some individuals, but a
lot of individuals found it quite amusing. The color
blue was not my most tasteful color to choose. I
personally would have chosen a pastel pink.
Russ: well I was just thinking that
you brought up the point of loud music, well this is
sort of the same kind of thing.
Omal: yes, loud colors. Yes but that
was done and I believe that the group did see the
humor necessary in letting off steam for certain
Wookies on the base)
Omal: the people involved with the
prank on the pranksters side
also learned. What did they learn? They learned
that the best laid plans of individuals sometimes is
waylaid by a hair.
Wookie hair gave away who were the
Omal: next question please.
Russ: all right, can we use your
addition to your last week's dissertation about your
keywords as being a part of your message overall in
Omal: any references to the message
that I'm trying to give out to.......
Russ: certain individuals.
Omal: certain individuals must not be
Russ: correct but written it in the
way that this is a puzzle to be worked out for
Omal: that is for certain individuals.
Russ: so there is no way I can use
Russ: that is just what I wanted
to find out. All right, now let's look over if I
could the differences between the two forms of
living and break them down a little bit if I could.
Russ: alright, now obviously we cannot
compare the two.......
Russ: but from a third dimensional way
of living, we see on an individual basis many people
attempting a sixth dimensional way of
living even unconsciously throughout our daily
Omal: that is a desire for the glimpse
that once was seen.
Russ: right, for example, I myself
today had a quite a startling revelation
of that same nature thanks to Karra.....
Russ: and I
admit I have a little bit of help there but I mean
other people also get the same relevations
Russ: so perhaps it is a way that
people are adding them up, helped them in their
Omal: yes but is also if you look at
it if you look at it from other side, being
tolerant of noise.......
Omal: being tolerant of the behavior
of those individuals making the noise. So both
parties need to compromise. One has to be tolerant
and not get offended and the other one has to
considerate of the other people's threshold to the
Russ: well, on a sixth dimensional
way, it's hard to see that happening down here but
perhaps the change will be coming along.
Omal: hopefully yes.
Russ: all right, now then going over
our past tapes that we've done, a
question was brought up by Johnny in regards to the
and the fact of it's changing the consciousness as
far as how people are moving around.
Russ: and merging. In that same
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal continues with answering that
Omal: yes, okay.
Russ: and this is also being brought
about in regards to the Photon
Cloud and how it's affecting consciousness.
Omal: I'm glad that you got it right
on the second try.
Russ: okay, now in that regards, are
we going to be seeing then a corresponding pattern
of getting more towards a sixth dimensional way of
Omal: yes and no.
Omal: yes in the fact that more
individuals are becoming aware of it and learning
from it and no the fact that other individuals are
becoming more focused within themselves. More
concerned with to quote, "what about me? What about
my feelings? What about my money?" So yes, there are
individuals being affected by the Photon Cloud and
the consciousness and the sixth dimensional thinking
that goes with it but just as many are being
affected by the "me syndrome".
Russ: okay, one last question I have
here is in regards to people who live an ordinary
life then can look back on this later on and realize
that their life wasn't ordinary at all but yet all
the experiences that went into making it made them
quite special and un-ordinary. Is there a way that
people could see that now instead of later and be
Omal: no there isn't unfortunately a
way but an analogy that is useful, a bucket with no
water is filled by each single drop.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: thank you. Live long, prosper
and, I'll be back.
(Tia quickly makes the hand off)
Tia: okay, as we have three more
people, I must chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop,
(Karra takes her turn as
Karra: hello, as
Tia is prepping up the guest speaker, I will be
brief and short okay?
Russ: that's all right love, it
was well-worded your question by the
Karra: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: let us look at.......we'll save
that for next week as it is quite a long
Karra: okay, any questions?
Russ: not really, just observations as
usual. Mostly on what we've been working on
all day long.
mental time-sharing of my mind)
Russ: the bucket of water.
Russ: as opposed to the drops of
Russ: good analogy that.
Russ: with that, can you expand a
little bit more on that for those who just got
through with Omal's part and now get on to Karra's
Karra: okay. I will try to be as brief
Karra: the bucket of water is us all,
me, the host body, Tia, Kiri, our guest speaker, the
technicians, all as individuals play an intricate
part in the consciousness of individuals as a group
and the group consciousness that is the bucket
filled with water. You take out a drop and it is
felt by the bucket even though it is just a
fraction. Individuals play an infinite and intricate
part in the all. The all being everything, the world
you live on, the world I live on, the universe. The
loss of a single object is felt throughout
everything. Everything is interrelated to everything
else. The progression from beginning to end is an
important part that plays within it and I could go
straight into my dissertation from this point but
we will have to save it for next week.
Russ: all right. What I'll do is I'll
just save this particular part....
Karra: and add it on.
Russ: and add it on correct.
Karra: yes okay.
Russ: now the one thing I have to
question about is the example of Sarah......
Russ: would you consider that as a
drop taken out of the bucket and yet now being
Karra: yes, in the way, in a way.
Sarah is the drop, the
drop that has been taken out and is being returned.
Russ: yeah, many full drops.
Russ: because her effects have
affected many, many people whereas it might not have
Karra: correct. Oh, Wellington
boots. Okay, bye love.
Russ: bye love.
(Tia again makes a quick hand off)
Tia: okay, I shall put her on and she
wants to introduce herself.
(Bunny comes on for the first
hello out there. Oh, not so loud huh? Okay. You can
help me with a translation. Huna is my stage name.
Huna means, I don't know what it would translate,
let me describe, it's a little rabbit.
Russ: hmm, interesting, well met, good
to hear from you Huna.
Bunny: what is the
English version of a little rabbit?
Russ: the English version of a little
rabbit would be a bunny.
Bunny: that is my
Bunny: in your
Russ: if I could make an observation
then at this point.
Russ: Huna in Hawaiian which is one of
our small little countries down here, a little state
of our union, it stands for a very psychic skill or
psychically minded person.
Russ: kind of like a somebody who has
a force, a psychic force with them. It's called
Bunny: ahhh, it
means from where I come from little, long-eared,
Bunny: or rabbit.
Rabbits are perceived as spiritual.
Bunny: they have to
be clever, they have to create within themselves
rapidly. They have to listen hard. They control
their underworld environments.
Russ: interesting. By the way, nice
command of the language.
Bunny: thank you.
You want to come up and have pleasure?
Russ: I always want to have pleasure.
I'm not very solid though up there I'm afraid, not
Russ: I'm more erethral.
Bunny: I'll give
you.......what is to suck?
(Russ laughs pretty hard)
Bunny: to suck on
Russ: yes that is a......
Bunny: oh sorry.
Russ: that's all right darling, it's
good to hear from you. Well met.
Bunny: pleasure all
both of ours.
Russ: indeed, I look forward to it.
Huna, as I understand you're almost a celebrity?
Russ: as would be called down here.
Bunny: gift for you
and Karra to watch.
Russ: one of your tapes?
Russ: or holos?
Bunny: one of my
Russ: excellent, I would
look forward to that very much.
Russ: and I'm sure Karra will
definitely look forward to it very much.
Russ: thank you.
it's.......no. I am being told what I can and cannot
say, I am not used to this.
Russ: that's all right, we're getting
used to this.
Bunny: what is word
that......someone like me?
Bunny: no, in lots
Russ: oh, promiscuous?
Bunny: that means
lots of partners?
Bunny: yes, is it
common on your earth?
Russ: no, it's not very common. It's,
it happens quite a bit.......have Kiri tell you that
Bunny: questions on
Bunny: is it
a moral issue?
Russ: morally it is looked down upon
and yet is accepted as a common fact.
Russ: it's a contradiction.
Bunny: but to give
pleasure is good.
Bunny: to share is
Bunny: to bring
Nina: all these things....
Bunny: sharing, but looked
upon not as good, why?
Russ: due to religion.
Russ: oh why. Because religion, the
study of the various religions we have here teaches
that it is wrong because you should stay with one
mate instead of many mates.
Russ: because our.......
quicker, it's quicker for me.
Russ: oh, oh our Bible with from
Sananda when he was down here.
Bunny: I got it.
Russ: got it.
Bunny: I got it all
from your mind.
Russ: okay, good job. All right....
Bunny: so moral
Russ: yes moral issue.
Bunny: when I start
Bunny: I study
Bunny: hold on, I'm
going to ask for a translation.
Bunny: ahhh, thank
Russ: yes, religion,
okay. Yeah because the sixth dimension you don't
have that problem.
gift of pleasure, happiness, sharing is all good.
Bunny: I don't
understand your earth morals.
Russ: hmmm, you have to live it to
know it. I envy you and your morals as opposed to
Russ: yours are much better than ours
but yet we have to live with ours.
Russ: this will make a good add-on to
our general information that we put out every month.
Russ: it'll increase people's
awareness that our morals are not as fantastic as
equivalent to earth term for my name.
Bunny: yes, explain
that my name....
Russ: is Bunny?
Bunny: is Bunny.
Russ: I will do so.
Bunny: so you put
Russ: uh-huh. I will make the
difference so they will understand.
Bunny: (speaks some
Russ: okay? My Sirian's very
(Tia returns as ring mistress)
Tia: so is mine.
(Says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: I'm not even sure what those
last two were, Chill good?
Tia: don't ask me.
Russ: goodbye I'd assume.
Tia: uh-huh and I think so. Kiri's
going yes and the other one you can't...
Russ: (butchers some Sirian)
Tia: it's what she was trying to say
Russ: oh, okay.
Tia: in other words, can you turn it
off for a second? We could also do with some....
(the tape is switched
off and then back on)
Tia: okay I'm going to put Kiri back
(Kiri comes on from an absence on
Kiri: yo I'm back.
Russ: what up baby? Missed
Kiri: oh my God, she just spilled the
Russ: did she now? That's a little
unusual, I thought she was going to
wait for a while.
Kiri: Leah just told her.
Russ: fun time at the apartment
Kiri: well oh I see why she told her.
Kiri: she has a hicky on the neck that
she can't hide.
Russ: oh. Yeah well that would give it
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, they're bouncing up
and down and hugging and it's going to be fun.
Russ: girls night in the channeling
Kiri: no, they're both
fully......well, if you can call what Huna's
wearing....sorry, Bunny's wearing.
Kiri: she is wearing basically a
skirt, basically a bikini bottom and....
Russ: one of your designs?
Kiri: no, no top.
Russ: that will change.
Kiri: and stockings.
Russ: no top?
Kiri: no top.
Kiri: uh-huh. It's not, it's not
Russ: oh I know but it is still ROWWW.
Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway........
Russ: gravity doesn't affect some of
you girls up there I've noticed.
Kiri: true, true.
Russ: I don't know, I don't know if
it's PK or just good balance.
Russ: it just seems like muscle
control or something just keeps.....
Kiri: just toning.
Russ: toning yeah? Gravity does not
affect you like they do down here.
Kiri: anyway, let me read.
Russ: didn't work?
Kiri: I was trying to work on that and
Huna/Bunny was trying to help.
Kiri: she's a very talented young
lady. I can't see why she doesn't have any interest
in manifestation or going to a manifestation college
but she wants to do theology and I will help her
with that if necessary.
Kiri: she tastes good too.
Russ: I'll bet.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, okay it starts off
with.....can't really read that part.
Russ: letter from Sarah part two.
Kiri: and it's the farewell letter
Kiri: uh-huh. And actually this is
taken from a holo disk so we can put this in it's
from a holo disk.
LETTER FROM SARAH- PART 2.
"Not being able to write anymore and
knowing that my vision is going, my sense of taste
is fading, my hearing is as sharp as ever. If
anything, the losing of my sight is improving my
hearing. My senses of touch are staying about the
same. What is to come, I really want, oh how I want
it. I want the end to come. That the feeling of love
of everything grows with each day. The understanding
of the way things are for a particular reason. The
cultural growth that I have experienced in this
limited length of time. It is hard for me to feel
any animosity to anything, to anyone. Let me explain
a little something that I have learned the best that
I can. The moral consciousness that develops with
experiencing the sixth dimensional world. When I
first came to this wonderful, luscious, green
planet, the sense of loss of home was overpowering but
the love of the nuns around me have helped me to
realize that home is not on earth, it
is not here on Sirius, it
is not there on Mars, it
is inside me, my memories, the feelings of those
memories. And learning that what I once
held as precious, is even more precious by
the fact that people understand that what I did, I
did as a gift for myself and for others. Sharing my
experiences with the most wonderful Kiri is some..."
Russ: no go ahead.
Kiri: ".....is something
that......"......I can't, sorry.
(Tia has to jump back on in a hurry)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey. Now that's a different side
Russ: no, that's the same side.
Tia: yeah well what I'm trying to say
is that normally she controls.........oh my, now
that's an interesting thing. She had Mark's eyes
going. So where was I? I don't think.....we will try
that again next week when she's over the hurt. Got
Russ: nothing right off the top of my
Russ: I don't know, did you hear the
one I told Mark?
Tia: which one's that?
Russ: the one about the postmaster
Russ: really? Yeah it was in the news
recently that the postmaster general wants to go
over all the personnel records of all the post
Russ: because of all the attacks and
stuff that had gone on as far as people getting
fired, coming back and blowing away their
Russ: so basically he wants to weed
through the......weed out those employees
with aggressive tendencies.
Russ: the question is, what's he going
to.....what then? What's he going to do, fire them?
Tia: (laughs) oh, okay. Okay she's got
her act together again.
Tia: yes I know I should've thought of
that before I left. Sorry, it's an in joke up here.
Russ: oh yeah?
Tia: that I'm up and down, up and
(Kiri returns after composing herself)
Kiri: okay dude, I'm sorry about that.
Russ: no problem darling, I don't
doubt it for a moment that it would affect me the
Kiri: okay, I suppose let me
see.......don't have anything, okay you want to hear
Russ: yeah, absolutely.
Kiri: okay, well went to quite a few
tradeshows, both swimsuit and engineering. Picked up
a whole load of great equipment which I can't
discuss. Picked up oh......I've got 240 bolts of
material.......let me see. Leonedies spent some
great time with other super operants. Doesn't feel
as if he's in such an exclusive club now. Alex, I'm
starting to get worried about him actually. He's so
Russ: am I the only one who doesn't
worry about Alex?
Kiri: yeah, pretty much so.
Russ: oh, okay. He's just like
Russ: when I was his age.
Kiri: if I told you at the age of four
to stand, stand over there.
Russ: I would of, I was that kind of
kid. Mom used to worry about me all the time because
I was too obedient she thought.
Russ: because she'd come to give us a
beating and I just stand there and wait and take it
as opposed to my brother who she'd have to go chase
around the house and he'd get an even worse one.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yes but well he
doesn't.....well you did things to deserve a
Russ: well not really, fighting with
Russ: that's third dimensional
thinking, that's different.
Russ: I was still......as soon as I
got caught I was very obedient.
Kiri: what about the paint stains?
Russ: what about the paint stains?
Kiri: the paint stains you put in the
Russ: I did?
Kiri: no, must have been something
else. I can go and get Bunny to probe you.
Russ: no thanks, I already got one
Russ: most of the good stuff I did I
never got caught for.
Kiri: uh-huh. But no...
Russ: yeah I know what you mean, he
doesn't even do stuff that he needs to get caught
Kiri: exactly. I mean like Mark said
just one day, I'd like to be called down to his
crèche to find out that he's done something bad. He
doesn't even get frustrated anymore. It's like,
whatever happens, happens. Even his crèche parents
are a little worried.
Russ: what? Is he getting
fatalistic or something?
Kiri: yeah, if it happens it happens.
Russ: I can see it happening at a
later age, maybe he's just an early bloomer?
Kiri: uh-huh. If that's a bloomer
Russ: could be it's just a phase he is
going through too.
Kiri: well that's what we're all
thinking but it's a worrying phase. You see.....
Russ: you have a kid that every parent
on this entire planet would die for and you guys are
worried about it.
Kiri: he's.....I know he's my eldest
son and my first child but from what I've seen from
other parents even in his crèche, I've sat
down there and they talk about the mischief that
their children get up to and think that they got
away with and they turn around and they look at me
and go,"well Kiri, what has Alex done?" And I go,
"nothing". And they go, "he's got to have done
something." And I go,"no, he plays, he tidies up, he
fixes things that get broken, he sits patiently and
waits if he's told to sit." I've even tried not
telling him to sit, not to go near things. Just
once I'd like him to get to some kind of mischief.
What stories am I going to tell about my first son?
Russ: well you're going to say your
first son was........he started off being a little
unusual but now look at him, he's a leader of a
Kiri: but he doesn't even have that
Russ: well not now.
Kiri: who knows, who knows. I know
you're trying to make me not worry and we're getting
close to the end of the tape as well. Oh no, we've
got a fair bit.
Russ: I'm sure there's kids down here
who have been similar but probably are just great
people now, giants in their own right.
Kiri: I'd like to think so.
Russ: look at Sananda, Sananda was not
a kid who went out and started causing trouble.
Kiri: you've only heard what they want
you to hear.
Kiri: oh here's a good example of
causing trouble and causing worry. When he was 12
Russ: he went to the Temple?
Kiri: uh-huh. Is that not causing
Russ: no, he was trying........he was
Kiri: yes but but he caused trouble
because he went away from his parents.
Russ: no, he did not understand why
his parents were worried.
Russ: that's different.
Kiri: yes but if I was in the
Russ: his parents didn't say don't go
to the Temple.
Kiri: yeah but he caused worry you
Russ: well yeah but he was still only
Russ: he wasn't thinking on a sixth
dimensional level yet of what that would cause to
Kiri: but Alex doesn't even do
anything that would make me worried.
Russ: because he is on a sixth
Kiri: he doesn't even climb trees like
his little brother does.
Russ: well no, that's because he's....
Kiri: he doesn't climb trees like the
Cubs. They're all of those.
Russ: he is just like Sananda would be
if Sananda would have been on the sixth dimension
instead of third dimension.
Kiri: I know, you're trying to make me
feel better. It's just that I worry.
Russ: well I don't and you can tell
him, uncle Russ does not worry about you one bit.
Kiri: okay, let me see, let me see,
okay. Spiritual growth, I'm going improvise. No,
better yet, coercion and what is.......pause the
tape. Okay, the importance of a clean conscious and
coercion. Coercion as I have discussed many, many,
many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many,
many, many.....not yet and many times, is important.
Very important, very, very, very, very, very, very,
very, very, very, very, very......yes Russ?
Russ: don't be burning up tape like
this just because you have to burn up tape.
Kiri: very important. Okay, now where
am I heading with this? Let me see, where was I
Russ: nowhere, you derailed
Kiri: yes I did, didn't I? Okay let's
Russ: no let's not, let's just tell me
all about Sirius.
Russ: go on to this next week.
Kiri: I'm planning on that, I'm kind
of in one of those......
Russ: I know which is why I said, tell
me about your trip.
Kiri: okay, what do you want to know?
Russ: well I want to know about Sarah,
how to trip up to the monastery went.
Kiri: oh, the trip to the monastery.
Russ: traveling on little burros and
Kiri: burros? What's a burro?
Russ: donkeys for whatever you
Kiri: oh, a mal.
Russ: mule, whatever you guys traveled
up there on.
Kiri: yeah, a mal.
Russ: I want to know all about you
don't what was this......how was the trip? What
happened? What did the kids think of it?
Kiri: well, Alex behaved himself.
Walked and walked and walked until his feet got
tired and then carried on walking and I think he
would have walked all the way if he hadn't of
started stumbling from fatigue. So I put him in the
backpack. I had Leonedies on my chest because he
complained after walking 100 yards that his feet
were hurting and I told him why don't he fix his own
feet? And he goes, "don't want to." So we had a
little argument over that. Then we were hiking up
and we got up to the cloud level which would
be...quick fast time....carry the three.....about
5,000 feet and we got caught in a
thunderstorm and there was hail and rain and it was
windy and it was cold and it was nasty and it was
wet and I had a warm spot on my chest and he was all
bone dry and I'm absolutely drenched. So I got Alex
to dry us out which serves no purpose whatsoever
apart from the fact of giving us temporary warmth
whilst we got wet all over again. So I had a debate
with Leonedies about the importance of shielding us
to keep us dry. It got to the point where it was my
will against his and who has a stronger will?
Russ: you do.
Kiri: of course. So he put a shield
over us whilst Alex did as he was told yet again and
dried us out totally. We got up to about the 7,000
foot level and the light was going so I got Alex to
manifest a light source and got Leonedies to use his
ultra vision so that we stayed on the correct
course. We got there at about 10 o'clock, well it
would be about 10 o'clock if it was on Sirius. On
earth.....on the base. As time is, it was three
hours after dark.
Kiri: we got there, we went straight
to our quarters, I put the children to bed and went
down and checked in on Sarah. Sarah was sound asleep
when I got there.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: she had waited and waited and
waited and she had finally fallen asleep sitting in
the chair waiting so I helped to carry her to bed
and put her to bed. Got up early the following
morning and this is all on the disk that I sent.
Russ: I didn't get the disk yet.
Kiri: oh well nevermind.
Russ: I haven't been up to check it
Kiri: oh, then got up in the morning,
had breakfast. Sarah was already up and awake and
she had done her normal one-mile walk that she does
every morning and she was waiting for us. We sat
down and we talked pretty much all day whilst
Leonedies went off with grandmother and looked at
the records and spent a a lot of time in the library
and helping grandmother with her, her work. Alex I
sat down and told him to read a book which he went
through the whole entire book from end to end and
went through it again while Sarah and myself were
talking and then went through it again and he could
probably recite the book word for word by now
because I forgot about him I was so happy to see
Sarah. Remembered him at about 6 o'clock in the
evening and the nuns had been giving him food when
they thought that he was hungry and they were, "oh
my, such a well-behaved, polite, courteous young
man." And he is, boringly so.
Russ: oh please.
Kiri: Leonedies had been off on the
astral plane with his great-grandmother, my
grandmother. We sat down for dinner and all of us,
that's my grandmother, Sarah, Alex and Leonedies all
sat down. Leonedies got fed up with dinner and
decided he would go off and play. I wouldn't let him
because it's not polite for him to leave the table
whilst everybody's eating.
Kiri: whereupon he set fire to the
chair. Alex just sat there and watched the chair
burn and did nothing. So I had the spank him so that
Leonedies knows that it is wrong to set fire to
furniture and that he should sit there and wait.
There was no point letting him sit on the ashes
because it wouldn't have bothered him in the
slightest. He would have probably manifested it back
together as one whole thing but it's wrong and
impolite and it's a moral issue that I'm dealing
with him. That was the second day, well the first
full day actually. Got up and joined Sarah on her
walk with Alex. Leonedies refused to get up because
he was sulking. Came back and after our walk and
there was a whole load of flowers in the room and
Leonedies asking or begging for forgiveness. Set up
the recording device and we had a long chat, Sarah
and myself. Kept Alex with me this time and we
talked about growing and learning and development
and what she felt about things and what she thought
about this, what she thought about that,
she felt about her childhood, what
she thought she did wrong, basically looking at her
life. In the afternoon after lunch we went down and
we polished her return box, a little cramped for me
it feels very, very comfortable. Alex manifested a
soft toy for her which made her cry.
Russ: how neat.
Russ: that's good of Alex.
Kiri: yeah. Leonedies manifested a
very intricate lot of flowers. Very intricate petals
and everything for her. Kind of, "I can do better
than my brother" routine. That's something else that
worries me but we'll leave that alone.
Kiri: okay that was the second day. We
sat down and she fell asleep eating dinner so put
her to bed. Alex, Leonedies and myself went out and
stargazed and I pointed out special stars like my
mother did when I was little. And pretty much that's
how much the other three days went. The return trip
was very uneventful apart from the mal was a little
bit cranky so I had to coerce it. Being lighter on
food and stuff going down, I let Alex and Leonedies
sit on its back until it decided it was going to sit
and not doing anything so I coerced it. Didn't get
caught in any rain. We got down to the bottom of the
mountain at about sunset just before it started
snowing up there. Spent the night at home.
Russ: how's your dad?
Kiri: he's doing great.
Russ: he is? How's Gonzo?
Kiri: Gonzo's doing wonderful and
their young one's doing excellent.
Kiri: spent a very, very enjoyable
evening with dad and Gonzo. Dad took the children
into town which left me and Gonzo time to......
Kiri: yes, converse. The following
day, drove back to the space port, met up with Bunny
and her sister and her brother. And I spent the
afternoon after dad left with Bunny and she showed
me around town and then we rejoined her brother and
sister and got on the shuttle back.
Russ: hmm, I have a question for you.
Russ: Bunny brought up an interesting
point that I had a question about. Tia is always
going on about how our decaying moral system down
here is a lot of what's bringing down our planet.
Russ: but listening to Bunny talk
about the moral system that she's under, compared to
the moral system we have, I have to say yeah well
our moral system is pretty weak compared to her's
but as far as where the two stand up, I'm getting
Kiri: it's her set of morals.
Kiri: she is an entertainer.
Kiri: she is promiscuous as you put
it. She doesn't understand the promiscuous side of
it, she doesn't know what the word promiscuous
means. She's totally confused by that concept of
that it's wrong.
Russ: must be nice.
Kiri: for your society it is wrong.
Russ: right, it wouldn't work.
Kiri: no because sex is frowned upon
outside of marriage in certain religious sects. It's
frowned upon women between women, men between men
that's frowned upon but it's the
pleasure side that the fact that.......let's say I
was to start hitting upon you correct?
Kiri: right? And you were under the
belief that to have a physical relationship with a
bonded woman was wrong. Telepathically, I would be
able to sense that you were upset by it.
Even though you may be smiling and flirting and
playing along a little bit, I would know that you
were offended by it because of the underlying
emotion of you seeing it as wrong.
Kiri: so Huna, Bunny is able to
understand when it is right for her to be offering
the gift of herself, offering pleasure, offering
fun, offering her love. She understands that feeling
that it's.....she's very empathic.
Kiri: that she knows when somebody is
offended by it and therefore doesn't do it. Being
empathic, she is also aware when somebody is in that
Russ: lucky she didn't meet Mark a few
Kiri: oh God, they would have been at
it constantly. Being who she is, she does have a
slight chemical imbalance which does give her
Kiri: yes, that libido,
libido in spades. She has been offered medication
for it. She told me on the flight back, it was one
of the.....because I asked her, I said having a
heightened sexual arousment level and she
goes, "what, you mean permanently turned on?" And
it's sort of like yes, and she goes, "Well I'm not
permanently turned on."
Russ: she didn't seduce all the
Kiri: no. She's turned on about 90% of
Russ: so she nailed the pilot. (chuckles)
Kiri: no, she didn't need to. She
is........she can take medication for it. She
doesn't want to because she feels.....and it doesn't
affect her thinking or anything and she can control
Kiri: she doesn't think about it
Russ: it doesn't interfere with her
Kiri: no, it doesn't interfere with
her life at all.
Russ: it probably enhances it a lot.
Kiri: certainly, certainly.
Russ: it enhanced mine big time.
Kiri: because she is being in that
sexual state a lot of the time, she's more aware of
how people react. She senses little changes in them.
Her current object of fascination.........
Russ: is your
Kiri: uh-huh, is a karmic one I
believe. I get glimpses from her, or from both of
them actually that they probably don't understand.
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