(Tia starts things off.)
Tia: hey hello, greetings welcome
Skip, Shane, Russ.
(Tia says hello and then some in Durondedunn.)
Skip: how you doing tonight?
Russ: greetings and felicitations.
Tia: Iím doing good. Okay, down to business, where
do I start? Hmm, where do I start?
Skip: at the beginning is usually the best place
to start darling.
Tia: yes but Iíve got so many beginnings.
Skip: weíll just grab one and give it heck.
Tia: that one will do. Okay,
Russ: thatís a good one.
Tia: uh-huh, I thought so. Okay, why did India
test nuclear weapons? Well, itís a little
Russ: well itís not to find out if they can test
them or not or whether they can have them.
Tia: itís more along the lines of saying ďwe have
Shane: and you donít?
Tia: no, most of the people around them do.
Russ: Pakistan does now.
Tia: uh-huh, now the logic behind their
Russ: what is the logic behind their action?
Tia: well, the logic is that they have the ability
to launch nuclear missiles. They also have the
capability to launchÖÖ.
Tia: thank you, intercontinental ballistic
missiles, ICBM's. The ability that
they have to launch nuclear weapons that have the
capability to hit Shanghai or Beijing. Now, why
would they select those two as how far they could
reach.........that they're saying
that they can reach either Beijing or Shanghai? Now,
moving to one side a little bit to one of their
neighbors, China. China recently got a whole load
of some technology for telemetry tracking and
being able to launch into high orbit supposedly to
launch satellites. China has for some time had
nuclear capability. Where
did they get this technology from? Well a trade
deal was struck back in Ď86 to help them in
satellite placement after two satellites
carryingÖÖ..two rockets carrying satellites from
the United States blew up. Now this is very
unusual that there would be United States
satellites on a foreign powerís rockets,
especially a hostile foreign power. Even though
that thereís been no conflict between China and
the United States since Vietnam, they are still
perceived as hostile and China does have a track
record. They also have a philosophy called the
long view that one day they will rule the world
and it is something they've been
saying for the past six, seven hundred years since
they became aware of external countries. So, all
of a sudden China has this ability to
launch nuclear weapons into high
orbit and to select their own reentry points to
blast wherever. Now this technology came from
United States agencies or from a company that is a
military contractor. Now this military contractor
donated $300,000 to the 1992 campaign for the
president, for the Democratic candidate. Again in
Ď96 they donated $400,000 and low
and behold, a waiver was signed saying
that they could go to China and launch these
satellites which promptly blew up and then another
waiver was signed for them to aid the Chinese in
this capability. In the meantime, Indian Secret
Service gets ahold of this information and then
goes "oh dear" and subsequently goes ahead and
gives the information to their government who
develops a nuclear capability on their own with
existing technology buying here,
buying there and so on. So now they are a nuclear
threat to China, China is a nuclear threat to them
prior to this and it would be difficult for China
to hit them accurately without this telemetry
tracking and reentry capability that was given to
the Chinese by basically Bill Clinton by signing
Shane: he signed them?
Tia: he signed them. Thereís got to be a
presidential executive order. In doing
so, Bill Clinton has initiated an arms race in a
very unstable area, very unstable area. Increasing
more than at any time in your world's nuclear
capability history in the last 50 to 60....well 50
years increasing the danger of a nuclear war not
by 10% but by a hundredfold. Now, Pakistan hears
about these tests through their
sources that werenít very well covered and gets
very worried and decides to launch its
own tests. In the meantime, India works very hard
to develop the ability to launch missiles to hit
China and anywhere else within a 3,000 mile radius
because of somebodyís lust for power and money.
This nuclear race with these countries that are
not exactly stable and have the tendency to react
aggressively towards each other is now a serious
threat on your planet. The chances of nuclear war
are much higher than theyíve ever been. And a
refugee from the '60's who protested American
involvement in Vietnam, protested nuclear
activities, is responsible by his incomprehension
as Iíve stated in the past of foreign
international politics, total incomprehension.
Now, with other instabilities going on and the
fact that selling of nuclear technology and rocket
technology is very lucrative, with
instabilities in such countries as Indonesia which
is very unstable........we will cover Indonesia in
a moment after Iíve answered some questions. The
tenuous problems created by the nuclear arms race
in the Third World countries which is what it is,
is now dangerous. Pakistan, China, India. Now, if
there was a limited nuclear war, there would be a
catastrophic worldwide effect
because of the situation of these three countries.
On the monsoon and jet stream pathways that they
happen to be on could be very dangerous and
detrimental if there was a nuclear war. Iím not
saying that there will be and I donít perceive
that thereís going to be, not in the near future
but, the situation in these countries is
heightened because of this gross negligence. Okay,
Tia: Shane, you had one.
Shane: yeah, Bill Clinton signed a
Shane: was that the test the bombs on Chinese?
Tia: no, a waiver is saying that somethingÖÖ
Shane: what was the waiver
Tia: to sell technology or rather to let a U.S.
company use Chinese rockets to launch satellites
that the Chinese were incapable of launching.
Tia: next question?
Russ: yeah, why is the ability to use computer
simulations so important to the Indians and the
rest of the world?
Tia: it's important because if you
go around using the real McCoy, it's very
Tia: itís alsoÖÖyou can factor in more
possibilities. If you launch a rocket on a bright,
sunny day, maybe youíre not going to be launching
it on a bright, sunny day. Maybe itís going to be
winds from the West for five miles an
hour, from the east, from the South, from the North,
from the Northeast, maybe itís going to be
slightly overcast, maybe itís going to be humid,
maybe itís going to be cold, maybe itís going
to be hot, maybe itís raining, maybe itís snowing,
who knows? But you can factor in all these factors
into the simulations.
Russ: it seems as though that would almost be a
deterrent in itself, being able to know what these
things can do.
Russ: but obviously not.
Tia: no, if you can do it on paper but you donít
have it, so what?
Russ: hmm, Skip?
Skip: this sounds like a bunch of little kids
telling, ďhey, look at me, I can join the club.Ē
Tia: yeah, pretty much so, pretty much so.
Tia: very stupid and all because of
one personís negligence, one personís desire for
Russ: okay well why is it Tom
Hayden plays such an important role in this
or do you think I'd miss that
Tia: no, Tom Hayden is a very interesting
individual, very interesting. He claims to have
allegiance to one group but has allegiance to only
Russ: which is?
Tia: can anybody tell me?
Russ: wait a minute, he has allegiance to the same
'60's politics that he had back in the '60's.
Tia: claims to.
Tia: but he doesnít.
Russ: what is he, a special interest kind of thing
Tia: no, he has an interest in one thing and one
money as most of the people from the '60's that
are now in power. They have no interest in human
rights, they have no interest in peace, all's they
want is money, to look good, to leave a legacy and
the only legacy that theyíre leaving is a nuclear
arms race in an area where itís very unstable.
Russ: okay what is his role in this?
Tia: his role?
Russ: did he protest? He couldnít of because it
just went through.
Tia: no not really, not really.
Russ: he agreed then?
Skip: he just ignored it.
Tia: he did nothing.
Skip: he just ignored it.
Tia: which is the worst crime of all.
Skip: in other words, if you ignore something long
enough itíll go away.
or bite you.
Tia: and in this case it might just bite.
Skip: what is wrong with these people?
Tia: uh-huh but itís nothing to be overly worried
about. Now, the other side of the coin is shock,
horror, funding. Funding of governmental agencies
and a particular governmental agency that is
supposed to be in the know, the CIA. The CIA has
had its funding cut over the past few years.
fact itís had its budget repeatedly cut since Ď93.
Shock horror, they did not know about the test
until they happened, they did not know that it was
coming. They were caught by surprise, they were
caught with their underwear
down. Okay, questions.
Russ: okay first off, ohÖÖ.
Skip: go ahead, go ahead, you're doing all right.
Russ: the jet stream you mentionedÖ..
Russ: has the ability to come
through and affect the world.
Russ: why is that going to affect us, how is the
jet stream from that part of the globe affect us?
I thought that was down South or am
Tia: youíre very mistaken.
Tia: the jet stream does this routine, itís like a
wave. Let us say thereís a storm that brews
off of the coast of Japan.......
Tia: right? It goes up into the Arctic and down
into the United States. Let us say Beijing gets
hit by a nuclear bomb, it gets nuked.....
Tia: right? Letís say by a small 50 megaton
Tia: okay, the way that the jet stream goes, if
Chinaís here and the U.S. is
here, with the jet stream it blows
this way, it goes up into the Arctic, it picks up
moisture and goodness knows what else, comes down
over Alaska harming all those native Alaskans all
the way down into Washington, Oregon, California
and spreads out that way.
(Tia says something in Durodedunn.)
Tia: okay? So it does affect you.
Skip: so we'd get the radiation fallout.
Tia: uh-huh, depends how big it is and I think
that if you were to drop a 50 megaton U.S. ICBM on
Beijing, it would not do as much damage as the one
if the Indians dropped one, why?
Skip: because weíve cleaned ours up.
Tia: exactly, thereís are dirty nuclear
Russ: what happened to Korea and its ability to
create havoc, we havenít heard about them in
Tia: guess were the plutonium
well that does make sense then.
Russ: now thatís painting
bit more clearer picture of
whatís going on with that then.
Tia: itís funny that nobodyís heard about it
recently, everybodyís forgotten about it.
Russ: well that was my other question, how come
nobodyís heard about it lately?
Tia: it goes back to a little bit of trade
wheeling and dealing that I just covered. If you
remember, I said that there were things that
Tia: now India has nuclear
Russ: and so does Pakistan.
Tia: uh-huh, now the nuclear reactors are
monitored as a matter of course, everybodyís
nuclear reactors are monitored so that they canít
takeÖ..especially Third World countriesÖÖthey
canít take the plutonium and uranium from there
and make nuclear weapons. So thereís only two
sources that can give nuclear material, the former
Soviet Union and the United States unless of
course it comes through some other
Tia: and as the former Soviet Union has fallen to
pieces, well thereís one place. Where
do you think Pakistan gets theirs from?
Russ: Soviet Union.
Tia: where do you think India get
some of theirs from?
Shane: Soviet Union.
Russ: but Indiaís been working with nuclear power
for a couple decades havenít they?
Russ: so they couldíve just used what they had
working off just what their reactors were
Russ: they didnít need any outside help.
Tia: but why draw attention to it?
Russ: but everyone's known Indiaís
had nuclear weapons for years. Israel has nuclear
weapons, the Arabs have nuclear weaponsÖ.
Russ: Indiaís had them, nobodyís just admitted to
it is all. Now finally Indiaís admitting to it.
Russ: itís just a political move.
Tia: uh-huh, for what purpose?
Russ: well for one thing, to get more money.
Tia: no, to get China off their back that now has
to hit them hard.
Russ: hmm, like they did Tibet?
Tia: uh-huh, you see? It gets very, very murky,
very difficult. Okay, letís move right alongÖ..no
letís save that for next week. Okay letís pick
another strand, my pet topic. Anybody
know what my pet topic is?
Tia: no, other pet topic.
Tia: and Iíve been told to drop that one, okay.
Tia: any more
Tia: no? OkayÖÖÖ.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Tia moves out of the
channeling field so Omal
can take his turn.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings Shane.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay first of all let us look at
Tiaís dissertation. Oh my, she has touched some very
hot subjects hasnít she?
Omal: I asked Tia to drop her other
pet topic as she would have probably gone on a
tirade about pollution and forest fires, especially
the current ones.
Omal: I think she wouldíve got very
upset and very heated very quickly and she is
shaking her head saying no but I know better.
Russ: one ecological disaster after
Omal: yes, you know how she feels
about the environment. For somebody that
has very little connection with your planet other
than to monitor it and to receive information and
compile information, she certainly has a very strong
feeling about it.
Russ: probably for that
same exact reason.
Omal: because she cares.
now let me move along to a brief dissertation, brief
dissertation on self-control. Self-control is
important for many reasons, not just controlling oneself
on an impulse to do things that one desires in a way
that is self-gratifying, self-control can refer to
many different aspects and parts of life.
Controlling oneís desires to do things that are
non-beneficial, that are gratifying
for the moment and only the moment.
in development of a conscience control in
advancement from a young age to great age is
something that is continuous. Being responsible and
achieving desired objectives without acting rashly
is important in the development of all beings
regardless of whether they are male, female or
others, feline, canine, simian or any other.
beings learn self-control for the reason that
sometimes a lack of self-control can have very
detrimental harms to not only themselves but other
individuals or areas such as the environment. A
failure to have self-control is something that is
responsible for the falling of many societies and
cultures throughout your planetís evolutionary
history. The understanding that control is necessary
to stop from acting in a harmful way is something
that seems to be lacking more and more and I feel
personally that it is something that has to be
reestablished, that self-control is important.
Desires sometimes have to be put aside for a purpose
of advancement. After all, if there is no
self-control, there is no advancement. Any
Russ: I have ten butÖÖ..
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: okay. First off, what about the
ability to flow with the given moment even though it
seems like you donít have self-control over the
moment, flowing with it achieves the better result?
Omal: not always, not always.
Russ: true, true.
Omal: sometimes if you flow with it
instead of going against it, you end up further away
from the objective that you planned so therefore if
you were to say, "no I will control myself and go
against the flow", you will achieve your objective
Russ: all right in that case I'm
Omal: okay, next question please.
Russ: okay, Shane?
Skip: okay, one question please Omal?
Skip: I guess Iíve probably exercised
more self-control than most people throughout my
life trying to be accepted or please other
individuals. By doing this, I think Iíve closed down
my own will.
Omal: no, I would say that you
havenít. Having your own free will and deciding to
please other people is part of free will, you chose
to do that. It is not closed, it is that you do not
perceive the other avenues because you have decided
to pursue that one avenue. A good way to look at it
is, is instead of thinking how can
I please this person, how can I benefit them and
Skip: thank you.
Omal: youíre welcome,
Russ: okay, you mentioned that a lack
of self-control can harm the environment around you,
what environment are you speaking of?
Omal: look around you, that is what
Iím referring to.
Russ: okay, your surroundings?
Omal: next question.
Shane: uh-huh, so youíre talking about
self-control and everything, so like you know like
how like UFOs are unidentified flying objects?
Omal: that is a contradiction.
Shane: okay, well.....
Omal: but continue.
Shane: a lot of people and
government and whatever say this all and they
have evidence but they wonít show it to the public
because theyíre afraid that theyíre not going to
take it well?
Omal: why? Well it is too late to go
back on what they decided to do. If they had at a
prior time said, ďokay we have been visited from
outer space, we have these items, we donít
understand what they do but as soon as we
learn what they do we will let you know.Ē That
wouldíve been a better approach. Unfortunately they
are in too deep, they are in over their heads now,
there is no going back. Whatever happens, happens.
Next question please.
Russ: Omal, there's a flip side to
that too, the technology they've learned from those
artifacts and such has advanced our technology in
leaps and bounds.
Russ: so therefore there is a positive
side to this also.
Omal: yes there is to the extent that
the technology that they have learned, theyíve had
to reproduce and in doing so they themselves have
advanced. So would it be better to hold on to what
you have and say that it doesnít exist until
you understand how it fully operates or to give it
out and say we have no idea how this operates, which
Russ: the first one.
Omal: to do it bit by bit.
Omal: which is what theyíre doing.
Russ: which is what theyíre doing
Omal: it is something that they have
lied so much that anything that they say is now
taken with a pinch of salt. What they are doing is
they are mixing truth and lies. The
best way to lie, you
take some of the truth and distort it.
Shane: itís still lying.
Omal: it is still lying but it
is a good way to lie, youíve taken some of the truth
and you change it. Next question.
Russ: the question aboutÖÖ..Iím
changing the subject slightlyÖÖÖÖthe Toronto
Shane: whatís that?
Russ: the Toronto Blessing is a
phenomenon that started in Toronto thatís now
sweeping across America also in which many people
going to Christian churches suddenly start
channeling and feeling the spirit of JesusÖ.
Russ: or the spirit of the holy
whatever taking over and theyíre going into trances,
theyíre going into convulsions, theyíre laughing and
itís happening on a massive scale now.
Russ: I wonder if you could maybe put
it into a light that we could understand whatís
Omal: Iíll give you one word,
Shane: whatís that mean?
Skip: change of the century.
Omal: change of the millennium, next
Shane: I have a question, I
went to church and everything and try to understand
what they were saying and trying to get involved and
all that stuff, I do believe in God but I understand
what they were feeling, what they were doing and
everything and I tried ask questions and understand
and like I thought I didnít fit in or anything.
Omal: that is understandable, it is a
belief issue. How strongly you
believe in something. Believing in something so
strongly that it overrides all rhyme and reason. It
is something that they believe or appear to believe
without rhyme or reason.
Shane: say you believe in something,
like you get really excited right? And it makes you
feel different right?
Shane: is that whatís going on?
Shane: okay, I understand now.
Omal: next question.
Russ: okay, with the coming
Russ: are we seeing an actual change
in consciousness then?
Omal: no more than is normal at the
change of any millennium.
Russ: but that is a substantial amount
I take it?
Russ: okay, how
do we take advantage of that or use it for our own
Omal: by watching and observing and
seeing how people react and inter-react but
remember, the change of the millennium
does not occur until it goes 2001.
Russ: so itís going to get even more
Omal: yes, even though most people,
90% of the population of your planet believe that
the change of the millennium occurs from '99
Omal: Shane, count to twenty for me.
(Shane counts from one to twenty.)
Omal: okay, when did the change go
from one group of 10 to the next group of 10?
Shane: in the middle.
Omal: at what number?
Shane: at 10.
Omal: okay, so the number after 10 is
the start of the next batch of 10.
Shane: uh-huh, it's the
beginning of the
Omal: okay, thatís the beginning of
the next group. So let us start from the start of
the decade right? Okay Skip.
Skip: yeah your decade would be not
'90 but '91 would be the start of the '90 decade.
Omal: so does that answer the question
that you were having of why 2001 is the
start of the next millennium?
Skip: yeah, that'd be
Shane: because it ends and it starts
on that number.
Omal: okay, next question,
Russ: a long time ago we discussed the
future and you said that a lot of the future would
be determined by the people who believed in New Age
consciousness but actually werenít........
Russ: and that they would have a lot
of effect on the backlash from those who arenít into
the New Age to those who are and those who
actually do and are into the New Age would be
suffering because of that as a result.
Russ: is this what Iím discussing part
of that then?
Omal: okay, next question.
Skip: okay now Iíve got a question.
I have noticed from my own experience that more and
more people are turning toward....they're not
pulling away from God but theyíre accepting
God in a new way.
Skip: theyíre trying to teach us I
believe that we are part of God because we were
created by him.
Skip: is this a correct conception or
wrong? In other words Iím part of my father because
Omal: supplied the genes.
Skip: thatís right.
Omal: or half the genes.
Omal: yes in a way you are
correct but it is a definition of what is God. What
Skip: well, from all the teachings
Iíve learned in my life and I'm in the
second half of my life okay?
Skip: that God is a supreme being that
takes care of all of us to a point and he created us
as brothers and sisters no matter where we are in
Skip: that has no bearing on his
creation. He's the spark of life on our
planet from what I can understand.
Omal: yes, but the definition of God
is that he is a supreme being of your planetÖÖ
Omal: that is a correct
analogy. It is hard to word it without going in too
deep into theology and theology is always a tricky
and difficult area. Let
us save this for another time when we have somebody
that is a littleÖÖ
(Omal continues to
take questions on side two.)
okay, you said that as we get closer to the
millennium, things will get more intense.
Russ: all right, I was speaking on a
matter on consciousness side, what about the other
end of the spectrum?
Omal: I think that is very much
self-evident if you watch your popular
Omal: that is very self-evident,
Skip: excuse me, it is? Iím sorry.
Omal: no, that is all right, you have
a question or a comment?
Skip: no, no.
Omal: go ahead, say what is on your
Skip: to me it looks like theyíre
reverting back 10 or 20 years instead of going
forward with the
Omal: yes it does seem veryÖÖhaving
been around as long as I have, I've
seen many different changes and it is very
cyclical, it is very cyclical in what goes on. It
is very confusing at times, you would think after
numerous millennium I would be used to the changes
fluctuations, I am not. Next question.
Skip: go-ahead Russ.
Russ: the many times that we've
talked on the same exact matter, itís always been
concerning personal growth........
Russ: okay? And itís not a world
event, itís a personal event on how we perceive
the world around us.
Russ: okay? Our ability to influence
our fellow humans in their perceptions is also key
in our own growth is it not?
Omal: yes it is, it is very important
for your own growth. The fact that we use personal
growth a lot of the time is something that aids in
the development of the individual and in
aiding the individual, it aids on a much wider
scale and it is no longer at that point personal
growth but a group growth.
Russ: and weíre part of that because
weíre part of the group?
Omal: that is correct.
Russ: as long as we breathe and
interact with our fellow humans even on a world
scale, we're a world group.
Skip: thatís right.
Omal: thatís correct.
Russ: so whatís going on in Indonesia
for example affects Skip, I and Shane?
Skip: yes it does.
Omal: and Russ.
Russ: and you in that matter I guess.
Omal: I will depart.
Russ: farewell Omal.
(Tia comes back in to welcome
Tia: uh-hmm, okay.
Skip: and your field of
Tia: astral travel.
Skip: ahhh, I havenít learned how to
do that yet.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay Russ, detail, print
Russ: all right.
Skip: yeah I havenít learned how to
do that again yet, I used to do it but I canít. I
havenít learned to open my mind.
Tia: any questions for me? OkayÖ.
Tia: Iíll come back.
(Karra comes on to help our
Skip: Russ, Karra the engineer or the
Karra: greetings everyone.
Skip: how are you this evening young
Karra: thank you, I am doing fineÖÖ.
Karra: a little weary but fine. Okay,
Shane: which one are you?
Karra: Iím the healer, Iím Karra.
Shane: okay, all right you know how
people get hurtÖ.
Shane: and other people take care of
Shane: Iím not saying this is
everybody but like okay if every time they get
hurt and other people take care of
them, sometimes I think if everybody takes care of
them every time they get hurt they wonít learn
to do it on their own.
Karra: it depends on what the hurt
is. For example, if you were to severely reconfigure
a limb, would you be able to
take care of that?
Shane: I know thereís some situations
you have to do it but thereís other situations
where you can do it by yourself or other people
can help you do it and it just gets me because Iím
not saying for everybody, like sometimes little
kids want attention and some other people want
Shane: so every time they do it they
wonít let their mom or dad to take care of them. I
donít understand that, after they get older or
something like that and theyÖ.
Karra: and they continue to rely on
other people to help them.
Shane: I donít know.
Karra: it is because they do not want
to face and pay the piper as it were,
donít want to face the music.
Shane: okay, if they donít
have a choice and thereís nobody around to help
Karra: they will be quite capable of
handling it themselves. I think youíre asking the
question for a specific reason.
Shane: Iíve seen it happen many times
and sometimes it gets me irritated.
Karra: then learn from that for your
Shane: I do.
Karra: uh-huh, thatís good but I
think you are asking because somebody in your life
irritates you in that way.
Shane: sometimes, sometimes not.
Karra: that person is learning to
readjust themselves. My little sister is a great
one of having good insight
sometimes and I can read between the lines too
Shane: itís not one person, itís
Karra: it is a group of persons.
Karra: uh-huh, but they are learning
Shane: sure donít seem like it.
Skip: I knew that was coming.
Karra: yep, they are.
Shane: I got another question.
Shane: Iíve seen this happen several
Shane: like they'll be mean
to their little brothers or sistersÖ.
Shane: they hurt them or something
and make them cry and then they act like they got
hurt too and they start crying too because they
donít want to get in trouble?
Karra: youíve answered your question.
Shane: but why would they do that?
Because they already know theyíre going to get in
trouble either way and they start crying, why do
Karra: it is to lessen the punishment
or to attempt to lessen the punishment. Yes, any
Russ: did you ever do that Karra?
Karra: actually I never hurt my
little sister as there is the age difference. I
was already at university when she was born.
Shane: so you were old enough to know
Shane: and understand.
Karra: it is not something that comes
with age and wisdom.
Shane: well, what I notice
a lot is the closest onesÖ.
Shane: the closest ones in the family
fight a lot and the ones that are far apart don't
fight as much, they get along a lot better than
the closest ones.
Karra: it is because that
the older ones are more aware of what is being
taught to them and they recall how they felt
whereas if they're separated by a year or two it
is not so easy to see the difference.
Karra: the further apart, the more
easier and more tolerant an individual is to see
what was and see themselves within the person and
to remember from the personís behavior, action and
of their own. Yes?
Russ: sort of like how our children
Karra: uh-huh. OkayÖÖ
Russ: because Klarra takes care of
David and Michael.
(Ed. note: Karra's younger daughter
who take care of the
twins of Karra and myself.)
Karra: yes, there is that age
Karra: and I know Alana would take
care of any of my children, any of her sisters and
Shane: Iíve got a question.
Shane: you know how people like when
they first meet you and donít know you and they
already look down on you, why is that?
Karra: itís something that I think
you would callÖÖ..well first of all they donít
know you, how do you fix it?
Shane: I donít pay no attention to it
but it still bugs me.
Karra: obviously you do pay attention
to it because it does bug you.
Shane: oh, I didnít know that.
Karra: then say to yourself, ďokay,
if they look down on me, so what. I am who I am,
take me as I am not as you want me
Shane: well they donít know who you
are so they canít really say nothing bad.
Russ: will Shane, each of us have our
own special qualities. No matter how anybody views
you or what you do or what their opinion is of
you, you have special things apart from them that
they donít have or never will have sometimes.
Russ: and you have to
look at your strong points and realize that you're
special for various reasons and they donít
understand those reasons.
Shane: all right.
Karra: okay, thank you.
Russ: thank you love.
Karra: youíre welcome hon. Okay, I
will see you later.
Karra: and have a fun evening
Shane: you too
(Tia returns to put on the last speaker.)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, Iím back briefly.
Skip: youíre such a jewel.
Tia: oh thank you, jewel in the
crown, the crown of Hades Base.
Skip: there you go.
Tia: okay, any questions for me?
Shane: are you the hyper one?
Tia: no, Iím the astral traveler,
political analyst andÖ.
Russ: all around mischief maker.
(The group laughs.)
Tia: I will put the mischief maker
Shane: mistress maker?
(Kiri comes on to talk
Russ: hi Kiri.
Skip: hi Kiri.
Skip: anyhow, how can I increase my
engineering abilities? Honey
Iíve livedÖ..Iím at the twilight of my life and
Iíd still like to increase them.
Kiri: no, youíre not at
the twilight, youíve got tons of good years left
Skip: true but Iím on the second
Kiri: says who?
Skip: well according to our 3-DÖ..
Kiri: uh-huh but maybe youíre going
to prove them all wrong, youíre going to live to a
Skip: I doubt that very much.
Kiri: all right okay, how do you
improve your engineering skills?
Skip: yeah right.
Kiri: okay what are the main
questions that you always ask yourself? How does
it work, why does it work and how
can I do that? Those are the three main questions.
Kiri: how does it work, why does it
work and how can I do that?
Skip: and how can I fix it?
Kiri: thereís some times where itís
Skip: or improve on it.
Kiri: improve it, good. Okay thatís
part of tapping the knowledge.
Kiri: okay? How can I improve on it,
whatís the next step?
Kiri: whatís the next step? Come on,
whatís the next step from there?
Kiri: re-engineer it.
Whatís the next step from re-engineering?
Kiri: doing it. But how can
Skip: miniaturize it.
Skip: but theyíve already done that.
Kiri: yeah but you can look at
something and say how can you improve on it. For
example, that piece of antiquated equipment.
laptop Russ was
Kiri: how can you improve it?
Shane: make it pocket-sized.
Russ: more powerful.
Kiri: more powerful.
Russ: bigger hard drive.
Shane: more information.
Kiri: more information storage. Think
of all the possibilities of an item, all the
possibilities that you can think about that one
item right? What can you do? And then what
realistically can you do with the knowledge that
you have? And in using that knowledge
that you have, you learn. By thinking
the process throughÖ..
Skip: I think what my biggest
drawback is I build everything to last for a
Kiri: uh-huh, you build it to last
which is the correct way to do things. For
example, there is a piece of electrical equipment
in this abode that was built to last,
technological equipment. It is now getting close
to being obsolete and it was built to last and
lasted very well, what was that?
Russ: radio in this room?
Kiri: no, itís in this house.
Russ: oh in the house, the
(An early computer we both used at
Shane: whatís an Amiga?
Kiri: itís I believe Mark's
thingy he uses.
Russ: one of three we have around
Kiri: uh-huh, it was built 10 years
ago and it is only just becoming obsolete. In the
technology world of those things, thatís
incredible, that is phenomenal.
Skip: but the technology
is moving forward so fast you canít even keep up
Kiri: thatís correct, thatís why that
up there in the other room is so incredible, the
fact that it lasted for 10 years.
Shane: and itís still up-to-date or
Kiri: almost up-to-date and it is now
starting to become out-of-date
just because the software isn't available for it.
Thatís fantastic, by building something that lasts
for a computer, 10 years is a century. And youíre
doing something, youíre building something to last,
will last maybe more than a century, maybe two.
And one day your great, great, great, great grandson
goes, "my great, great grandfather Skip
made this. Weíve had it in the family, this huge
sword has been in our family for
Kiri: it was made by my great, great,
great, great grandfather. Now, isnít that great?
Skip: I never gave that a thought
when I made it.
Kiri: isnít the highest compliment on
your planet to be remembered by your descendants
for your deeds?
Skip: yeah, everybody tries to make
Kiri: uh-huh and making
an heirloom, something that now maybe is worth
what, how much? Two, three hundred of your earth
Skip: thatís stretching it.
Kiri: okay maybe worth 150 of your
Skip: yeah, I would say so.
Kiri: okay, in 200 years, how much is
that going to be worth?
Skip: I have no idea.
Kiri: set at antique.
Skip: there is no way of computing
that at all, no way.
Shane: depends on how good of
condition it is in.
Skip: because itís one-of-a-kind.
Kiri: exactly, itís a one-of-a-kind,
itís made for a specific reason. Now that is an
Skip: yeah, itís just one-of-a-kind.
Kiri: uh-huh, that is something to be
very proud of. That piece of engineering to make
that, to design that and it took engineering
skill. It took planning of what you wanted it to
look like, telling the person where to put the
blood groove, filing it and thatís all
engineering. Building the handle,
building the sheath for it, building the belt for
it, thatís all engineering. Itís nothing
to sneer at, nothing to downplay, that is
something to be very proud of.
Skip: well yeah butÖÖyeah okay.
Kiri: Russ, could you do that?
Russ: not in a million years.
Kiri: Shane? Maybe.
Shane: depends on what is. I could
probably do it because of what it is.
Kiri: uh-huh, I know that I could do
it but it wouldn't be as much
care and love that was put into it because weapons
like that, things like that donít fascinate me.
Shane: if it
was a weapon, I would put a lot of care into it.
Kiri: yep, that is the
Skip: darling, I do that with
everything I do though.
Kiri: so youíre not leaving just one
incredible piece of engineeringÖ..
Skip: well no, no,
thatís not what Iím trying to say.
Kiri: you want to know how to access
Skip: yes, because everything that I
Skip: even for other people, I try to
build it so it will last or try to fix it so it
Skip: notÖ..I see so many people that
Kiri: they fix it to break, to keep
Skip: well they don't
fix it to break but they donít do the complete
Skip: theyÖ..well I call it Rube
Goldberg engineering. In other words,
itís Mickey Mouse the way a lot of people fix
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.
Skip: and I
canít do that.
Kiri: okay, do you want to know why?
Skip no, I mean yes excuse me, Iím
Kiri: because youíre using your
engineering knowledge, the stuff that you canít
access consciously comes out subconsciously. When
you sit down and fix something to make sure it
lasts being fixed, that is engineering, that is
accessing the information that you think you can't
Skip: okay let me give you for
example. Iím working for a doctorís
wife, she asked me to build a plastic lattice
cover for their air-conditioning.
Skip: I did.
Skip: I couldíve put it together with
half a dozen screws in each edge, I didnít,
I put probably 20 screws in each
edge. I donít want it to fall apart,
I don't want it to come apart.
Kiri: that is called craftsmanship,
that is called taking pride in your work. That
comes from your engineering skill and background
that you claim you canít access.
Skip: okay, all right. So in another
words, Iím doing it without even thinking about
Kiri: uh-huh, which is the best way.
I know what you want to do, you want to be able to
go, ďhmm, okay I want to build a better mousetrap
and I want to make it so that my heirs will never
have to work again.Ē
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Kiri: doesnít work that way
unfortunately. I know, I know it would be nice if
it did for you but who knows, maybe youíll have
that brief flash that will make that happen but
there again what would they learn if they didnít
have to goÖ.....what would Shane
Skip: well I done that years ago but
I never took advantage of it.
Skip: I developed self-contained
trailer brakes for camping trailers and other
Kiri: uh-huh and you didnít take
advantage of that because you saw it as wrong to
put a price on other peopleís
Skip: thatís about it, I drew it up
and I knew exactly what to do with it, how to make
it work and everything.
Skip: and about five
years after I figured it out, it came out on
Kiri: itís the way it goes. Part of engineering is being
able to sit down and think about
things and it's sort of like,
ďOkay, Iím not going to be able to
do that today, Iím not going to be able to
do that tomorrow, let me think about it,
let me see how itís going to work." "What is going
to work is a.....", I donít know what your
measurements would be, "very,
very micro thin piece of wire, would that work on
what Iím working on? Okay it doesnít
so what is going to be a good conductive material
that will work?Ē
Shane: depends on what it is.
Kiri: exactly, depends what it is, it
depends what youíre thinking on. You see the thing
is that when youíre designing something, whether
itís on a piece of paper or itís in a kit form,
you have to plan, think and analyze where the
objective is and what youíre designing. It's
like.......I have a project Iím
working on and Iíve been working on it now for
about maybe four years and I know for a fact that
I will probably never finish it completely.
Shane: what is it?
Kiri: it is an improvement for the
channeling setup that we have up here and
basically I looked at the old one and
I go back and look at the ones that theyíre still
using and I look at it and I go, "okay what can I
do to improve that?" The thing is I
have a quarter of it built of the new
system and Iíve already seen things
that I can improve and make better so what
I'm going to do is I'm going to strip
it back back down and improve those
things that I know I can improve and
then I will start the next quarter part which will
be the first half. And I know for a
fact that whilst Iím doing that I will see things
Iíve learned whilst working on the second
quarter that I can improve on the first quarter so
it will take me a long time to do. And I want to
design the best possible channeling setup. Itís
not as a legacy, itís not as to make myself well
known or highly thought of, itís because I want to
do the best setup I can. And if I canít finish it,
I want it to be left
so that somebody else that is smarter and brighter
can pick it up and continue from where Iíve left
off and improve upon it. Thatís the most important
rule of engineering, designing something that is
an improvement and knowing that somebody
will come along and improve it. Itís like that
piece of equipment over there that Russ is so
fascinated with. The person that built that
knows for a fact that it will be improved
upon, it will be made better, it
will be enhanced, it will be rearranged, it will
probably in a 100 years look nothing like what it
does right now. Who knows? Maybe it will be the
size of this thing but yet youíll be able to press
a button and youíll have a screen and a keyboard
that you interact with.
Skip: yeah, mentally interact.
Kiri: hopefully, if not physically.
Skip: theyíve already developed part
Kiri: yeah, the thought process ones.
Skip: it will get to that point.
Kiri: oh yes it will, it will if
things donít get messed up. Now I think the tape
is getting close to being at an end.
Skip: yeah I think it is darling.
Skip: well thank you very kindly, I
appreciate your input.
Kiri: oh no problem at all.
Shane: thank you for answering my
Kiri: youíre welcome but remember,
donít get frustrated because you canít have that
ability to access your past life in
engineering. But remember also that when you look
at something and you fix it better than it was,
guess what youíve just done?
Skip: yeah, youíre right. I just get
a little frustrated becauseÖ.
Kiri: you want to be able to sit down
and design that damn warp core engine.
Skip: yes I do.
Shane: must be pretty nice there.
Skip: yes I do.
Kiri: you want to be able to bend and
Skip: yes I do. Iíve been thinking
about that a lot.
Kiri: all in good time, all in good
Skip: not in my lifetime.
Kiri: not in this lifetime.
Kiri: but remember, to me, a 100
years as Iím only 64 of your Earth years.
Skip: youíre the same age as I am.
Kiri: uh-huh, Iím a youngster. If you
THE TAPE ENDS