SIDE ONE
(Tia gets the session off to a quick
start)
Russ:
good morning Tia.
Tia: having technical
problems there?
Russ: oh I just hit
the wrong button.
Tia: oh, I see, I get
the picture. Well hello and
welcome, straight down to business, put the
first speaker on.
(Omal sets the tone for side one)
Omal: greetings and
felicitations Russ and how are
you functioning apart from in a relaxed, tired
state of consciousness?
Russ: well not bad,
trying to provide something substantive and
helpful for tonight’s session.
Omal: okay let us
proceed and continue where we left off on
moral development. Seems to be the topic of
the moment don't you think?
Russ: last couple days
certainly.
Omal:
okay, let us first of all address last
night's channeling session over the
Internet. Poor Tia, worked herself hard and
worked the host body very hard. She did a
good job, needs to brush up on her spelling
and understanding of the linguistics
involved in the English language. Tia will
be the first to admit that her English is
not perfect. Okay, having got that out of
the way and her discussion on morals is a
very good and intense subject to discuss. We
have full confidence in the selected
individuals that are channeling for this, we will have Tia and
Kiri as our main speakers. Okay, down to
business. Morals and the development thereof
in conjunction with sixth dimensional
thinking and the purpose and behavioral
patterns connected with telepathy and the
morals. Certain morals are used to protect
individuals from embarrassing or dangerous
situations. For example, as was demonstrated
last week, probing somebody without their
consent. It is not morally wrong nor is it
morally right, it is a call on the
individual but probing nonetheless has to be
consensual to achieve the maximum benefit
for both individuals concerned. If it is not
consensual, whether it is subconscious, it
has to be spoken verbally or telepathically
so that the individual that is the probee
can have full access to the information that
is being probed by the prober. For example,
delving into one’s past experiences and
looking at each one independently can be
beneficial if both parties are consensual in
this matter. This is one of the important
necessary developments when using telepathy.
Telepathy on a communication level is basic
vocalization or sub vocalization of what is
going through the mind and being projected
at a person. It is quicker and faster then
the vocal communication but, probing on the
other hand, should be done with images so
that both parties can analyze and look at
the pictures as long as the probee is
consensual. But, where does the morals come
into this? Well is it morally right to probe
somebody’s mind? Yes and no. If it is
consensual, then it is morally right. If it
is not consensual and done with speed and
harm to the probee, then that is morally
wrong, it is a call by the individuals. But
the morals necessary to achieve this point
where you become a being of a higher
consciousness are developed by the
individual on the lower level. What is
right? As was raised last night is it right
to kill somebody? Yes and no, why yes and
no? Well there are certain situations where
it becomes dangerous for others and yourself
and it is necessary to terminate the
existence of the aggressor. In itself, that
has moral ramifications. Are you ready to
accept the responsibilities of the
individuals that are connected with the
person that has been terminated? Tia tried
to elaborate on this last night and it needs
to be elaborated on more. When a termination
occurs, there is obviously the anger and
retribution coming from the friends and
associates of the terminated, they
wish revenge. It doesn’t matter if it is
somebody that is of a very nasty and
aggressive nature, there is still people
that think that person is a good person and
they want revenge. They want revenge in
either incarceration or termination of the
terminator. This leaves open to serious
problems that opens up a cycle which can
occur. If it is necessary to terminate the
friends and associates of the terminated,
then that in itself can open up even more
karmic problems. This is where karma comes
into play, when it is necessary to
terminate somebody on a one-on-one, then you
have to think of the karmic ramifications
and the necessary interactions of the
individuals involved in this matter. When a
termination occurs en mass of a large
majority of individuals, this in itself is
something that needs to be looked at and
addressed. For example, in a hostile
situation such as a riot or a war where
individuals are trying to take from some other
individuals their existence and ipso facto
trying to terminate them, that itself comes
outside the karmic loop. What transpires is
that an individual happened to defend
themselves against a mass group of
individuals may have to find it necessary to
terminate a few of those individual's
existence before the group realizes that it
is in itself is in a dangerous situation. In
the process, the terminator may become
terminated himself but again, how does this
interact with the morals? First of all, you
should not get yourself in a situation that
you need to terminate a mass group of
individual’s existence but
sometimes that happens. There is nothing
that you, I or anybody can do about it
except if you are a grand paramount coercer.
And there are so few of those on the sixth
dimension that even in their environment it
would be hard. Being able to use the morals
necessary to stay out of that trouble and
deciding that it would be better to cut
one’s losses in itself is a moral question.
Do you give the individuals that are the
group the joy of having what you have worked
so hard for? That is a decision only you can
answer and it is built in with your morals.
It is a moral decision whether or not you
leave your food,
property etc. behind and if so, would it be
beneficial for those people to have that
property. So by addressing these very simple
basic morals. Now a question last night was
asked, are there certain morals that are
absolute? Yes there are. Love all things,
that is an absolute. There was another one
that was on there, there was three actually.
Love all things, do not steal or rather do
not steal and get caught. It is necessary
sometimes to steal for existence and in
doing so, you will put yourself in a
situation where retribution may be demanded.
So, if you have to steal, try not to get
caught. As Tia put it, there are certain
countries that tend to remove limbs for the
punishment of stealing. Love thy neighbor as
thyself, that was not on there but it should
of been put on there. You can kill through
love if necessary if your neighbor becomes a
hostile, it is always the last, last resort
to terminate their existence. In doing so,
you must again be prepared to take the
responsibilities that come with that but, it
should read love thy neighbor as much as
possible. Thou shalt not kill unless there
is no other way, that is an absolute. If it
is your survival or a survival of
individuals that you are affiliated with,
then it becomes necessary to kill, to
terminate and in doing so again you must be
prepared to take on the karmic retribution
that is necessary. So all these things are
linked through karma. They are linked
morally, they are decisions that you have to
weigh the odds. There are clauses, morals
are not absolute. There
are absolute morals but they are not totally, they
can be changed and adjusted to situations
but the basic underlying is there. Do you
have any questions Russ?
Russ: I've got a
couple.
Omal: okay.
Russ: first off, when
you mentioned about two people using pictures.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: explain a little
about that.
Omal: yes, when you
probe, there should be pictures generated that
both parties can see. We will let our prober
if it is consensual demonstrate.
Russ: now, is that
normally used for in conversation mode or that
strictly just a teaching thing? It sounds like
it could be pretty slow.
Omal: if it is done
correctly it is very fast because there are no
words involved. The feelings and emotions are
there. The experience is being relayed, it is
almost a regression.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: afterwards, then
the questions are asked and it’s looked at.
Next question please.
Russ: okay, as far as
killing goes, it seems like you had third
dimensional or sixth dimensional, there should
always be an option to get out of it. Wouldn’t
just the killing part be just an easy way out
sometimes?
Omal: I said, that
there are certain times where it is impossible
to get away from that.
Russ: well the point
I’m asking is, it might seem impossible but
only because you haven’t delved through every
situation in the moments beforehand but that’s
only because being third dimensional, we
aren’t thinking as hard or as fast a level as
the sixth dimensional is.
Omal: sometimes you do
not have time to think of another option.
Russ: right.
Omal: let us say you
are in a room, you are in a corner. You have a
sword in your hand. The person in front of you
has a 9 mm that you’re so fond of. You can
thrust and kill them and get it over and done
with so that they will not have time to pull
the trigger on you. If you wound them, they
may still pull the trigger, they may still
come after you. Can you take that risk?
Russ: uh-uh.
Omal: that is a
situation which should never occur but
unfortunately it does occur. Next question.
Russ: okay, as far as
the absolute morals go?
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: in loving all
things, you’re also loving your neighbor as
thyself.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so that's
probably why it was written, because it’s all basically the
same thing.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay, but in
loving all things, can’t you be able to teach
that so that others hopefully in the same
situation will learn?
Omal: it
starts.....the teaching starts at a very early
age. Up here I believe that it starts when the
person is still in the fetal stage.
Communication, laying out the basic principles
that are to be developed later on. Next
question and final question.
Russ: okay, in that
sort of teaching, what would you do to
discourage somebody who is learning or
starting to become hateful once in a while?
Omal: hate once in a
while is a good thing. To hate squalor, to
hate people that push other people down. You
can use that hate as a tool,
not to destroy but to
build. By using hate to focus and to teach,
sometimes by a harsh action in itself is a
useful tool. We will give an explanation at
another time on hate.
Russ: okay thank you.
Omal: okay thank you,
I will be back.
(Tia's back for another quick
transition)
(Tia
says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia:
work, work, work, work, work, work. Work,
work, work, work, work. No rest for the
wicked.
Russ: I wouldn't know
anything about that.
Tia: yes, and if I'm
wicked, this must make me downright evil.
Okay, next speaker.
(Ashtar takes his place
in the channeling field)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations Mr.
Hatfield, let us get down and straight to
business. No, I am not the prober. Let us
address matters concerning shielding. Yes you
have been waiting for this. Shielding and
consensual probing concerning last week’s
incident. From what I have heard, there was no
consent from you, even
on a subconscious. Maybe
you let her in subconsciously you said I quote,
no you did not. Why did
she access your shields so quickly? This was
done by playing a soothing tune. Doing so made
it easy for her to lower your shields. This
cannot happen again due to the fact if it
happens once, it can happen again and again.
The root command that you have to stabilize
your shields must be known by you and you
alone. No other person, not even your mind
soul or twin soul. You do not know hers, so
why should she know yours? It is
not a selfish thing, it is a necessary thing.
This dovetails with Omal’s dissertations. It
is morally wrong to put yourself in the debt
or in an opportune position for somebody to
dominate you. To control your mind and to
probe you. That is an absolute moral, never
put yourself in the position where you are
totally and utterly bound by debt to someone.
That leaves open a karmic circle which must
not be repeated. So that is a absolute moral.
Questions.
Russ: oh, should I
change that then I take it?
Ashtar: obviously.
Russ: obviously.
Ashtar: tell no one.
Russ: okay.
Ashtar: it is a
protection for you and for us. Next question.
Russ: so I should set
it up it up in a layer would probably be the
best.
Ashtar: whatever is
convenient for you.
Russ: okay
thank you.
Ashtar: you’re
welcome.
(Tia returns for a longer
stay)
Tia: consider yourself
told off.
Russ: you know, here’s
the point that....
Tia: you didn’t know.
Russ: no this is the
lesson for me. I trust explicitly everyone
from the sixth dimension, especially those who
are on the base.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and I would
never even think that one of them or any of
you would use any knowledge you got in any way
harmful against me knowing how the sixth
dimension works.
Tia: yes true, true but
I think what Ashtar was trying to say is that
things happen inadvertently. Let us take a
scenario. You and Nazreal are messing around.
(Karra’s adult son)
Russ:
right.
Tia: right? You’ve got
your shields up, he’s got his shields up. You
do something that pushes a little button on
him right? That irritates him and he may want
to slap you down and just say, “enough is
enough” and he tries that vocally but you’re
too fired up. Now if you’ve told his mother,
he’s going to figure out that it’s going to be
something simple because you’ve told his
mother or she may inadvertently let it slip.
You’re irritating him so he switches your
shields off and slaps you down and says,
“enough is enough” and it causes anguish on
your part. That’s what I think Ashtar was
trying to say is avoiding anguish.
Russ: hmm, I see.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: good lesson.
Tia: yes, it's
an important lesson.
Russ: I hate it when
he probes me like that.
Tia: he didn’t probe
you.
Russ: no but he’s
testing my shields.
Tia: uh-huh, he tested
your shields but he didn’t probe you.
Russ: yeah I know, I
would’ve known if I got probed.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but it feels
like every time he comes in, it’s like I’ve
got 10 tons of water just got dumped on my
head and I’ve got to keep it off.
Tia: and it’s not over
yet.
Russ: right.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I know, me and
Bunny are going to play around a little.
Tia: yes but the
special guests are not over yet.
Russ: (laughs) I am
not in this tonight, damn.
Tia: I’m sorry.
Russ: all right love,
I’ve got a learn how to deal with it when I’m
in the worst shape possible. Might as well get
it….
Tia: Ashtar and the
other guests showed up unexpectedly.
Russ: I guess.
Tia: that’s what I
said work, work, work, work, work, work, work,
work.
Russ: I knew there
were problems when Omal came on instantly
without you going through your spiel.
Tia: uh-huh okay.
Russ: one moment.
Tia: (sighs) sorry.
Russ: that’s all
right.
Tia: should have tried
to warn you somehow.
Russ: no, I needed the
practice.
Tia: okay.
(Korton make a rare appearance)
Korton: greetings
Russ, let us address communication and the
necessary of the linguistics involved,
that it is as I have
always stated important to be eloquent.
Slurring of speech is unacceptable. I know you
do not do this but it is important for all
people to understand that it is important to
communicate crisply and clearly. Now when
communicating, you communicate as direct as
possible. Analogies are a good tool to use.
When you talk, it is a learning experience for
other people on what you are saying. People
know more about you by the way that you
communicate, by the way that you manipulate
your vocal cords to communicate. For example,
if somebody speaks sloppily, uses a lot of
expletives and slang, what does this tell us?
This tells us that they are sloppy in their
communication, they are probably uneducated,
they probably do not grasp fully what is
trying to be explained to them. It is fine to
use slang when talking with your friends and
associates but, on a professional level, you
cannot communicate and say you know. You have
to explain why they should know. It has been
brought to my attention that when you
communicate with somebody explaining
something, you will use occasionally slang and
occasionally the phrase that I hate, you know.
This should not be taken for granted that
somebody knows. If they know, they will let
you know because even if they do know and they
do not interrupt, they may learn something. So
to portray yourself as an eloquent speaker
tells more about you than just your physical
appearance. It tells them that you are
educated, you are considerate, you are
intelligent. All these things are important
when you communicate. It is necessary to give
the air as a communicator that you know what
you are talking about, that you are easy to
understand and you are intelligent. Questions.
Russ: yes, one thing I
have that goes against that last statement is
that oftentimes I’ll find myself affecting
other people’s form of communication when I’m
talking to them. For example, someone using
slang or expletives. I do that on purpose
generally because it takes me to a level where
they can understand me better and accept what
I’m saying when I’m teaching instead of going
and thinking that I am above them in that
situation.
Korton: yes, that is
acceptable to lower yourself to their level
but, what are you trying to do? You’re trying
to bring them up to a higher level.
Russ: right.
Korton: you have to
get them from using the expletives
and the slang. It is easier for them to be
understood by other people if you do so. As a
teacher, your purpose is to increase the
intelligence of the people. If they’re
constantly using expletives and slang, then it
is more difficult for people to understand
them out of their peer group. The language
that you speak, English, has certain protocols
that are used by well-speaking
individuals that everybody understands. You
can understand me clearly and crisply as I
communicate. Other people can understand me
clearly and crisply as I communicate.
Expletives have their
place, slang has its place but when you are
teaching, the thing that you are
trying to do is to increase the intelligence
and bring the person up to a higher level if
they are of less intelligence. If they are of
greater intelligence and have not learned to
speak correctly, they will understand that by
the way that you are communicating that it is
logical and easier to understand so that they
will start to mimic. Now it is not a putdown
when you do that. When you are dealing with
somebody that uses a lot of slang and
expletives, it is fine to use them yourself a
lot like they would to start off with but as
you talk and communicate with them, you
decrease and decrease and decrease until you
are not using any and they will do likewise,
they will mimic you. More
questions.
Russ: yes, now once
you start doing that with that person, won’t
that then feed off of them into their peer
group?
Korton: correct.
Russ: and basically
it’s a trickle-down effect from there.
Korton: correct,
gradually and slowly.
Russ: I see.
Korton: so it is not
one person you are communicating with.
Russ: right. So it's
best to talk to these people as often as you
can once you start the teaching process…..
Korton: correct.
Russ: to keep that
teaching process going and then bring in the
others of their peer group into it and seeing
the same effect take place there.
Korton: correct.
Russ: I see, very
understandable……okay.
Korton: so it is a
useful tool when you communicate. You have to
first of all get their interest, communicate
with them on a level that they understand and
then pull them up.
Russ: uh-huh.
Korton: more
questions.
Russ: okay, how do you
encourage them once they get to that point to
start using more educated phrases? Is it just
your use of them sure,
but won't they see themselves as being outcast
from their group at that point?
Korton: no they won’t.
If their friends are good friends, their
friends will accept them as they are. If not,
they will continue to use that form of
communication with their peer group. When
interacting with people outside of their peer
group, they will use what they have learned.
Russ: I see, so sooner
or later their friends might start changing
and their peer group might change.
Korton: correct.
Russ: I understand.
Korton: take for
example when you first arrived here. You were
hanging around with people that I believe you
would call lowlifes?
Russ: party animals.
Korton: party animals.
Do you hang around with that group now?
Russ: oh no.
Korton: since you have
become more eloquent or have become
re-eloquent, you have found that that group of
individuals is frustrating…..
Russ: yes.
Korton:
irritating......
Russ: uh-huh.
Korton: so therefore
you have grown, you have moved to a new peer
group. You still interact with some of that
other peer group and they have changed also.
Russ: hmm, so this is
also feeds over into the
Internet where I’m using the webpage in that
same manner?
Korton: correct.
Russ: okay, so a
grade point average on my eloquence in the
webpage?
Korton: passable.
Russ: thank you, from
you that’s a compliment.
Korton: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
(Omal is back to answer a quick
question)
Omal: okay Russ, I
don’t need to go over the last two speakers. I
think they are quite….
Russ: eloquent.
Omal: quite eloquent
and precise and to the point and they know
what they're doing
anyway.
Russ: yes, it would be
redundant.
Omal: yes it would be.
I cannot add anything as they have covered all
the bases. Do you have any questions for me?
Russ: I had one for
Korton I was going to ask but it was off the
subject so I didn’t bother but I’ll check with
you real quick and just get a real quick feed
off of you. I know that the as we call it the
Arcturian Council or conference…
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is being
discussed again.
Omal: yes.
Russ: I kind of want
to get an idea of what your guy's opinion on
this.
Omal: my opinion, my
opinion is that it is a good thing. We are off
to a Council meeting and that
is one of the things that is on our agenda
tonight.
Russ: good.
Omal: I do not foresee
a vote tonight.
Russ: no?
Omal: but the Council
and the representatives here for the Council
meeting will be discussing it. We will vote at
a later time more than likely on whether or
not it should be submitted for a vote by a
higher Council.
Russ: well certainly
what Korton said does apply a lot in that
situation.
Omal: correct.
Russ: the fact that
eloquence will be a key
point in this in making sure everyone’s or at
least us are speaking from a point of view
that’s quite understandable.
Omal: correct.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: okay, I will
hand back our resident ring mistress.
Russ: okay.
(Tia gets us ready for side
two)
(Tia says hi in
Durondedunn)
Tia: they’re giving me
a real workout tonight aren’t they?
Russ: that was
interesting, it was almost as if Korton had
talked to Ashtar and Ashtar had figured out
what my shields were doing....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ:
because Korton came and tested from a
completely different point of view.
Tia: well they
probably did.
Russ: they probably
did.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I had to switch
frequencies on my shields to try to keep
Korton out.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: what a workout.
Tia: you think you’re
getting a workout, I feel like a puppet
sometimes when those two are around. It's up
and down, up and down, up and down, up and
down.....(sighs) okay, point
taken, I could do with the exercise. Okay now
quickly, let me see. They've cut in on my time
on my dissertation, do you have any questions
for me?
Russ: yeah, the
incident the other night with the stock
market.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: it seems like it
was a correction as the stock market analysts
are calling it.
Tia: yes and if you
remember, I did say there would be
corrections.
Russ: right.
Now it was the biggest
drop since 1978 or '87?
Tia: '87.
Russ: '87.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: right, it was
one of the two.
Tia: yeah.
Russ: all right and
then the other question is about what I was
asking Mark last night about setting up for
the guestbook group for the channeling
sessions?
Tia: oh yes, yes, yes.
Omal and myself were discussing that earlier
on.
Russ: it seems to me
it would save a lot of time being in the fact
that these people already know you, know if
you’re going to have a topic, what the topic's
going to be about.
Tia: okay, next week’s
topic will be handled by Kiri and it will be
on fifth dimensionalism and sixth
dimensionalism. Or it should be, dispelling
the myth of fifth dimensional ascension.
Russ: all right and
I’ll go ahead and talk to Kiri about that when
she comes in.
Tia: yeah. But it will
be handled……..Kiri will be handling it.
Russ: so I want to set
some ground rules down when I send out this
thing but I want the ground rules set up by
you two beforehand.
Tia: okay.
Russ: so that we can
use the same ground rules whenever you're
channeling or whenever she’s channeling,
everybody knows them already.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: so maybe
you can work with her on that at some
point between speakers here.
Tia: okay. We will go
over it, I will hand you over
to.....let me
see........yeah I can hand
you over to the next speaker. The tape's
getting close to being ready to be flipped,
want to check?
Russ: sure, we've
still got a bunch left.
Tia: yeah, that’s what
I mean. I don’t want to cut into…..
Russ: we can talk a
little bit then if you want.
Tia: okay, let us say
ground rules. No
questions of a personal nature concerning the
speakers, "explain
about yourself, who are you,
etc".
Russ: wait a minute,
you mean as in the people asking questions
don't want to ask questions about their
personal lives like what were my past lives
like or something…..
Tia: yes, something
like that.
Russ: but not about
you, personal questions about them?
Tia: well about for
example, "who are you?" Meaning me…..explain
about yourself…..we don’t have time for that.
Russ: no, I’ll tell
them to just check the bios.
Tia: yes, just check
the bios. No technical data. These are just
things that we can work with and fiddle
around. No predictions. Stick to the topic as
much as possible. Limited time of an hour and
a half maximum because it seems to take more
of a strain on the host or Mark on his body
when he’s typing like that almost incessantly.
Russ: why don’t you
make it an hour? That way you could do it
weekly and it's not going to be such a
burnout. Let’s set it up for an hour.
Tia: okay, set it up
for an hour.
Russ: if it goes more
than an hour that’s your fault.
Tia: yeah. Other
ground rules……..be patient with the answers,
they may take some time to come due to the
fact that it has to come through a relay of a
host body and as fast as we can manipulate the
fingers is as fast as we can go. That’s a good
one. Talking amongst yourselves is acceptable
as long as it follows the topic being
discussed. Side issues will be addressed at a
later time. Questions should be in the form of
a question, not in a dissertation or in a
paragraph, try
to keep them as precise as possible. That’s
another good one I think, don’t you agree
Russ?
Russ: I’ve never
really seen anything like that coming your
way.
Tia: yeah but there
has been in the past......
Russ: has it?
Tia: that you have to
read a lot of background information before
you get to the question.
Russ: oh.
Tia: I try, I don’t
know how Kiri does it, to explain as best as I
can through either using analogies or by
answering the question as best as I can.
Joking and humor is acceptable but don’t push
it too far because sometimes it is necessary
to take a heavy subject and throw in a
slippery surface, banana skin.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, any more
questions?
Russ: uh-uh.
Tia: okay, we covered
most of the protocol and rules.
Russ: yeah, we got
enough there.
Tia: uh-hmm. Okay, you
and Karra can brush that up and
tidy it up. It’s just preliminary
ideas.
Russ: yeah I don’t
want to throw too much at them.
Tia: no.
Russ: turn
them off from coming in the whole place in the
first place.
Tia: correct. Set up
"Communicators" as a retreat for private
discussions as well for people on the guest
list. If they want to go somewhere private to
talk but tell them not to change the topic
because other guests into the room may want to
be able to just go, "ahh, last week they disused
morals" and so on. You know what
I mean?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: so, all the
people on the guest list should have the
password.
Russ: okay.
Tia:
go through the guest list
with Mark or send him a copy so that he that
knows who is on there because
there are some people that may not be......
Russ: there's
nobody he knows on there.
Tia: oh, okay.
Russ: they’re all
people that have written to me but don’t
actually go access through the…
Tia: Spirit
Chat.
Russ: Spirit
Chat right? In fact a
majority don’t.
Tia: oh, okay. Oh
yeah, well Seabreeze was a new one last night
to me.
Russ: yes, she wasn't
on the guest list.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: not that I know
of anyway.
Tia: no and Starcat.
I've met Starcat before, I
like her name.
Russ: I better tell
him to have a handle ready too.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: because a lot of
these people don't go into that chat room.
Tia: yeah true, true.
Tia: okay, tape's
going to be ready in a few seconds or a minute
or so.
Russ: (taking
notes)....don’t change topics.
Tia: (says goodbye in
Durondedunn)
(Karra comes
on to wrap up the side)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hello.
Russ: how you doing
sweetheart?
Karra: I am doing
well. Okay, healers dissertation time.
Russ: wait, let me
check the tape. Let’s wait on your
dissertation time darling.
Karra: okay.
Russ: let’s just talk
among ourselves here.
Karra: okay.
Russ: vocally.
Karra: Ashtar is
correct but you can trust me implicitly.
Russ: darling if I
didn't, I wouldn’t bother
even having shields…..
Karra: uh-huh but he’s
very correct. Unintentionally, I could give
out that information.
Russ: yeah but……..well
I suppose.
Karra: yeah.
Russ: I don’t see…I
guess I can’t see every possibility that’s out
there.
Karra: well Ashtar
tries to see as many possibilities as
possible.
Russ: well he gets
more than both of us could ever do.
Karra: oh yes, I think
we could think of a hundred
possibilities and get stumped and he would
come up with a hundred and first, hundred and
second, hundred and third and so on.
Russ: yep.
Karra: but…..
Russ: it’s nice having
him once in a while into the mix.
Karra: yes, I would
prefer not to know if you know what I mean.
Russ: yeah darling, I
will.
Karra: as much as I
love you, I don’t want that responsibility.
Russ: I’ll catch it
like it four the morning, I’ll figure it out
when you’re asleep.
Karra: well you know
how to lock me out of your mind don't you?
Russ: I try not to.
Karra: yes I know.
Russ: not on purpose
anyway.
Karra: no.
Russ:
so anyway, I don't keep
you up at night when I’m working on stuff do
I?
Karra: any more
questions?
Russ: (laughs) no,
just that one darling.
Karra: can’t answer
that one.
Russ: just don't like
knowing I’m keeping you from doing something
like sleeping or something.
Karra: sleeping's
not important, I don’t need to sleep….
Russ: well I guess
that's both....
SIDE
ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(Karra begins her
dissertation)
Karra:
Karra’s brief dissertation on healing concerning
mental well-being of the healer and a common thing
that occurs from time to time with all healers is
occasionally the God syndrome, I can cure anything,
I am capable of healing everyone. Now why does this
happen? Well it happens frequently and all healers
will suffer from it from time to time because being
able to heal, make somebody feel better, makes you
feel good and the more successes you have the
stronger this feeling gets. Now normally when it
occurs, it occurs briefly. I’ve suffered from it,
that I can cure anyone and what happens to shatter
this illusion is normally a failure and a massive
failure at that, that
you cannot save this person no matter what you do.
So being aware of this does not stop you from
suffering from this problem. The God complex in
itself is a useful tool to learn from that you are
not a God. Once this is brought home to you after
these very successful and spectacular healings, it
is something that drains and shatters you. But,
having recovered from it and most healers do, you
have to go on and remember that there are failures
and there are successes as with everything. Why are
there failures? You should not look at the successes
and go, “okay, what did I do to make that a
success?” Certainly that is a good thing to do but
also it’s just as important to look at the failures
and to say, “where did I go wrong?” Now often,
curing an illness and this is kind of another topic
but not quite, sometimes looking at the failures is
the most powerful tool to successes. Now, there are
three possible outcomes that can happen from a
healing, the patient gets
better, there is no change, the patient gets worse.
Let’s look at the first one. Now, if you are using
junk science, you can use it in this way. It worked,
"the patient got better, it must be good." The
patient stays the same, "ahh look, we’ve
arrested it, we have stopped it.' The patient gets
worse, "well, we should have
started sooner or we should give them more." These
three things are most common when using fake or junk
science. But what is junk science? Junk science is
using anything that is not known to work but is
thought to work. For example, fasting. Fasting to
make somebody better doesn’t work because
it’s going to happen anyway, one of the three
outcomes regardless of what happens. Using things
that don’t work for that situation. For example, let
us say I prescribe a herb that will sooth colitis.
Again the three things that happen can happen
whether or not the substance was taken. Sometimes
it’s better to do nothing because it will take its
course. Something that doesn’t…..can’t think of the
English translation for the word but
I was going to take a herb or a chemical that is
used to help cure colds. It
doesn’t work. Vitamin C does work,
it works better than doing nothing but not as well
as other remedies. Chicken soup or chicken broth, a
well-known cure for the common cold,
is
this
junk science or is it real? Russ?
Russ: it’s very real.
Karra: yes, very real and it does
work, why? Well there’s certain chemicals from the
bones actually and the way that it is prepared that
makes it work. Another tool that makes it work is
the mind, the mind of the individual. We go over
this time and time again of having the patient in
the right frame of mind. It doesn’t matter how good
the medicine is, if the patient isn’t in the right
frame of mind, it’s not going to work. Because
the most powerful healing tool is what?
Russ: positive thinking.
Karra: exactly. With positive
thinking, you can do two of the three things that I
am using tonight in junk science. Actually, I’ll
have a little Karra’s corner, junk science. But,
with chicken broth, you can stop it or make it
better. So it works but the mind is the key to
making anything work. I can prescribe a junk science
remedy. Here’s one that will work if the person
believes it will work. They have a headache, you
take salt, sugar, little bit of oil, virgin olive
oil, a little bit of vinegar, a
dash of diced, chopped finely lettuce leaves,
mix
it all together, make the person drink it, tastes
revolting. If they believe that it will make their
headache go away, that it will work, guess what? 90%
of the time it will. Now, dissertation over,
questions hon.
Russ: couldn’t we use that same method
or that same potion you just gave me in a pill form?
Karra: yeah.
Russ: gel cap.
Karra: uh-huh, whatever.
Russ: it won’t taste bad though.
Karra: but it doesn’t do anything.
Russ: oh I don’t know about that,
there’s some benefit to lettuce leaves.
Karra: it does nothing Russ, it will
not cure headaches.
Russ: yeah well it’s the mental aspect
right?
Karra: exactly.
Russ: now you've taught me how to cure
headaches.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: always seems to work well.
Karra: yes.
Russ: now why can’t you just use that?
Karra: well you can but I’m saying
that if somebody believes strong enough that
something will work, it will work.
Russ: right, so maybe that’s
what I’m doing, just doing something that I feel
will work.
Karra: it’s possible but in what I’ve
taught you it does work.
Russ: right.
Karra: it does work. There’s no ifs,
ands or buts, it works. Explain to the tape what I
taught you.
Russ: oh, visualize the headache in my
head, the pain and then just project it
outside my body.
Karra: correct but it’s necessary
because people will go huh? What’s he talking about,
what’s his secret?
Russ: oh right.
Karra: but it has to be strong
visualization and you know it works…...
Russ: sure.
Karra: they know it has to work.
Russ: well you just get it once or
twice and you’ve got the confidence to do it every
time.
Karra: exactly, exactly,
that
is the key right there. If it doesn’t work to start
off with, it’s not because it’s not for you, it’s
because you do not know strong enough.
Russ: right, well I’ve told people
with migraines this and there’s no way it’s going to
work.
Karra: oh, migraines are
different......
Russ: yeah.
Karra: very different. In fact
somebody that you should talk to about migraines who
does not suffer from migraines anymore or not very
often, guess who that is?
Russ: Carrie?
Karra: no.
Russ: who?
Karra: somebody close at
hand.
Russ: Mark?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: oh, that’s good. Concerning your
God complex.
Karra: ahh yes.
Russ: now speaking of Carrie.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean we worked pretty good
miracles on her, you did actually but she did a lot
of it.
Karra: exactly.
Russ: still, it would be hard after
something like that, especially with the successes
she’s gone through lately….
Karra: uh-huh, not to suffer from it.
Russ: not to suffer from it. How do
you keep from doing that?
Karra: because I’ve had failures.
Russ: huh?
Karra: I learned long ago that I
cannot save everybody and that success is something
to be relished and enjoyed but not to go over and
over again. Certainly it was a success, a very good
success but she did most of the work, I can’t take
credit for that.
Russ: hmm, true.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean if that was
the case, Mark could take credit because you used
his body.
Karra: correct.
Russ: I could take credit because I
gave her encouragement.
Karra: and you gave the room for it to
be done in.
Russ: and so on and so on, sure.
Karra: correct. You see in a healing,
there is more than just the two people involved.
Russ: right.
Karra: so, how can I take
responsibility for everything that transpired in
those sessions? A lot of it was ritualized if you’ll
remember.
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: that is what
she needed. The ritual itself changes and adjusts
her frequency to mine. Remember there were times
where she would say something and you wouldn’t hear
me saying anything and she would laugh
or smile or answer again out vocally what I was
thinking.
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: that is
because I changed her frequency to match mine. I had come
down as far as I could or up as far as I could so
that she could come down or come up to my frequency
so that we could meet and work together.
Russ: I see. So in essence, when the
healer is doing the work, it’s actually the patient
who’s actually healing so to avoid the complex, the
best thing is to just keep understanding it’s the
patient doing it and all you're doing is
giving the patient the keys to help them heal
themselves.
Karra: yes and no, yes and no. There
are certain times where I do all the work from
beginning to end.
Russ: like a broken arm or something?
Karra: yes, I do the work.
Russ: the whole arm?
Karra: I set the bone, I wrap the
bandages, I tell the person how to behave, how to
keep it clean, how to think, how to react. I set up
the structure for them to do the healing. I’ve done
the work at that point. All’s they have to do is
follow what I have told them. So you see that there
are certain times where I do all the work, certain
times when the patient does all the work and certain
times when we do the work, the patient and I and
those involved.
Russ: hmm, understandable. So when
you’ve actually saved a life, there are also points
where you’re going to lose a life?
Karra: correct.
Russ: and even though let’s say you
have a 100% success rate okay?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: you have no failures
whatsoever.
Karra: I’d like to meet a healer that
has a 100% success rate.
Russ: well that’s what I mean.
I mean let’s say that they’ve only had three or four
or five healings that they’ve done.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: all 100%, everybody got better.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. The key is that you’ve got
to know the odds are against you.
Karra: you have to but you also have
to experience the coming down from the God syndrome.
Russ: so you have to feel it, there’s
no way to stop it.
Karra: correct because it’s going to
happen. It will happen regardless of how great a
healer you are.
Russ: must be a humbling experience.
Karra: that’s why it happens.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: it’s important to understand
that some people you cannot save.
Russ: understandable.
Karra: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: bye hon.
(Tia is back with
an update)
(Tia says hi and a bit more
in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay, well it doesn’t look like
I’m going to get my dissertation tonight.
Russ: we’ll get it next week.
Tia: yeah. Oh, by the way, next week
is a free night.
Russ: besides, your part of the
page is being loaded up
anyway.
Tia: uh-huh besides, you’ve got my
thing from the channeling session last night as
well.
Russ: yeah.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I don’t know if I’m going to add
that or not.
Tia: please.
Russ: okay.
Tia: do a subsection, Internet
channelings. Can you do that?
Russ: yeah, if I have the Internet
channelings, I don't want to type
it all out.
Tia: no you just take it from the
page.
Russ: okay.
Tia: how do you think Mark managed to
print all that up?
Russ: I know, it just gets older and
older, I’ll have to make sure I nail it as soon as I
can.
Tia: okay.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay next speaker.
Russ: okay.
Tia: yes, next week’s a free session.
Russ: okay.
Tia: so no notes needed.
(Kiri comes in
to cover tonight's topic)
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: hey, what’s up Bunny?
Kiri: yo dude, dude, dude, dude, dude,
dude.
Russ: oh hi Kiri.
Kiri: oh you have both of them.
Russ: you know what she means when
there's no notes needed? It means I go through about
a page of notes.
Kiri: as opposed to how many?
Russ: half a page.
Kiri: well, I don’t know what she’s
got planned for next week but it’s definitely a open
session.
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Kiri: I’m doing awesome.
Russ: good to hear it.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: good to hear it.
Kiri: so, what can I do for you?
Russ: well I’m learning a few things
this evening.
Kiri: oh yes, yes, yes. Okay, my brief
dissertation time. Everybody gets to dissertate
tonight apart from Tia. (speaking to Tia)
Stop sticking your tongue out hon, I’ll bite it off.
Okay…….
Russ: Lyka doesn't get a
dissertation?
Kiri: no.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: every
one of the regulars.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: okay
let me see, coercion and certain mindsets for using
coercion in a beneficial way. How does coercion
benefit us? Well it is a tool that is used by an
individual that is a coercer to be able to control
and manipulate persons or entities or beings around
them for a purpose that is beneficial to all
parties. How do you decide what is beneficial for
all parties? Well this is more of a gut instinct,
what feels good, what is right, what you know to be
morally…..seems to be the flavor of the week…..to be
right. Is it moral to coerce somebody into giving
you a job? I do love using this analogy and I will
use it over and over again. Is it morally right to
coerce somebody to give you a job? Well it depends
on what the job is and whether or not you really
need that job. If it is for betterment then yes, if
it is for self-service, no. Because coercion is one
of those interesting little abilities that if you
don’t use it right, it will feed back on itself and
in doing so it will cause harm to you. There are
certain ways to keep on the straight and narrow.
This most frequently is morals and gut instinct, is
it right, is it wrong? Sometimes you don’t have time
to decide whether it is right or wrong but do it.
When you do find yourself in that situation, you can
come back later and repair the damage that you have
done as long as you do it with good intentions at
heart, it is easy to repair any damage that you
might have done. If it is done with a
self-serving purpose and you know this, then it
becomes more difficult to repair the damage that has
been done but more necessary to repair the damage
that has been done because if that is
left unaddressed, it will come back to haunt you at
a later time. Coercion in itself is a good tool, it's
a very useful tool but it is one of the more harder
ones to actually master and use beneficially. It is
quite common from what I have heard
on a third dimensional level to use it in a negative
way. Sometimes coercion is used in what appears to
be a negative way. For example, let us take my
favorite topic, somebody that is sexually repressed
and they have difficulty interacting in a sexual
way. Using coercion to seduce a person like that,
that wants to be sexually active and interactive is
good because it frees up their libido from being
bottled up and pent-up inside them. So by seducing
somebody that wants to be seduced but is used to
having their sexual urges repressed can be
beneficial. Sometimes however you can unleash a
monster as has happened quite a few times in the
history of the world. Somebody that becomes after
being coerced into becoming sexually active that
turns into a sexual monster appetite wise has to be
refocused and have that
urge addressed because it will destroy them. For
example, Katrina
the Great, she was seduced and became
very sexually active, it
ruled her life. Certainly she was a great leader as
a czarina, she could of been a lot better if she
wasn’t hopping in and out of beds half the time.
Another example, I can’t remember her name (Pasiphaë),
but she became very sexually active in Greek
mythology and ended up being seduced by a bull and
giving birth to the Minotaur. This is a myth but it
is also a way of looking at being overly sexually
active. Now, when that situation occurs, the person
that has opened up this individual to their sexual
excesses needs to be the person that puts the
proverbial cork back in the bottle but
do not turn the person back into a sexually
repressed person. They must learn how to have a
sexual, sexually normal life but that
again depends from the individual to individual.
What is normal for me may not be normal for you. So,
by using your coercion to help somebody in a
sexually repressed state has to be done very
carefully and how you
do this is little by little, bit by bit. Otherwise
as I pointed out, you will have a sexual monster on
your hands. If you use it repeatedly and repeatedly
and repeatedly to have an intimate reaction with the
person that is sexually repressed, you will create
the monster. You have to be able to do it as few
times as possible for them to lead a normal life.
Certainly coercing them to become sexually active to
start off with is the only way that successfully
works but if you use it the next time and the next
time the next time, then you will create a monster.
But
if you don’t use it on the second time and it
happens and you make love with
that person, it must be done
differently then the first time. It must be either
very hard and fast or very slow and tender. It has
to be the opposite of the initial coercive action so
that they experience both sides of the coin. I
suppose I could get myself a job as a sexual
therapist on this, don't
you think so Russ?
Russ: I’d go.
Kiri: of course you would go, you
don’t need coercing on that. Do you have any
questions now?
Russ: yes, this ties along kind of
with what Karra was saying in regards to the fact
that isn’t being as a coercer subject to also that
God complex?
Kiri: yes.
Russ: and beating that down, could you
give me some and our audience of hundreds of
listeners a….
Kiri: an example?
Russ: an example of how to beat it
down, how to not do it, how to get around it or get
out of it.
Kiri: I’ve never experienced it. From
what I’ve heard, it happens on the third dimension.
Our educational system up here sets in certain rules
that are, think what you are doing,
think of the negative and the positive. Negative
first, what can go wrong? What harm can you do? Then
think of the positive and what good can come from
coercion. So by having these simple structures and
sitting down in a learning environment and debating
the negatives of coercing in itself drives home the
point that you can have failures and frequently you
have failures in the early years learning how to use
coercion. On the third dimension, I don’t really
have the experience to be able to tell you what you
must do to overcome that God experience except for
again sooner or later it will happen where you will
brought down.
Russ: hmm, okay. Well I know you
talked about that one corrupt coercer on
Sirius.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and it sounds like a similar
situation where he had a God complex.
Kiri: no, he just got his kicks from
doing harm.
Russ: oh. Okay,
now you did make one little statement there that I
have a little problem with......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that maybe you can clarify
where you said through your studies, it
appears to be…..it’s much harder to act in a
negative manner coercably on the third dimension.
Kiri: I meant that the
opposite way around.
Russ: thank you. I had one or two
little, slight problems with that when you said
that.
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s easier on the third
dimensional to…
Russ: easier yes.
Kiri: yes coerce in a negative way.
Russ: I was going to say, wait a
minute. Okay yeah that makes
more sense now.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, my time
is up.
Russ: bye Kiri.
Kiri: bye.
(Omal has his final input of the session)
Omal: greetings Russ for the final
time as I have to depart for a Council meeting.
Russ: okay.
Omal: okay, you have covered the only
point that I was going to bring up. Kiri in her
excitement let her mouth run away and did not
monitor what she was saying correctly. That is all I
have to say except for live long, prosper and I’ll
be back.
Russ: have a great meeting.
Omal: okay thank you.
Russ: bye.
(Tia returns for the final time)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, well I still don’t have
time for a dissertation because......
Russ: Bunny!!!!!
Tia: huh? Bunny yes. She will be
giving a demonstration I suppose.
Russ: okay.
Tia:
she
is the initial prober.
Russ: okay.
Tia:
because you’ve had
experience with her probings. Okay….
Russ: bye love.
Tia: bye.
(Bunny finishes up
yet another memorable session)
Bunny: hello.
Russ: hi Bunny.
Bunny: (does the
Lion King song "Hakuna Matata")
Bunny:
sorry,
just my theme music.
Russ: I know, I’ve been singing it
myself for a while.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: how you doing dear?
Bunny: horny.
Russ: obviously.
Bunny: very horny.
Russ: okay so we’re at normal status
then.
Bunny: uh-huh, nipples are hard.
Russ: wet between the legs.
Bunny: no I’m not actually.
Russ: oh that’s not horny then, it's
merely aroused.
Bunny: yes, I am aroused. I’m in a….
Russ: two different things
completely.
Bunny: I could get very
wet very quickly. Okay, let me see, what are
we here to discuss tonight?
Russ: oh probing.
Bunny: oh I am to probe you huh? Well
I’ve changed my mind, I’m not going to probe you.
Russ: which means you’re going to
probe me.
Bunny: what makes you say that?
Russ: just logical statement of fact.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: you throw me off guard
so I’m not worried about my shielding, then you
attempt to probe me so therefore I learn how to get
the point across.
Bunny: so what did the doctor want
today? Well?
Russ: what doctor?
Bunny: the doctor that you did some
computer work for.
Russ: there was no doctor
today.
Bunny: or was that yesterday?
Russ: it was a couple days ago.
Bunny: oh it was.
Russ: three days ago.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: ahh okay, how
do you do it and that way I can know how to defeat
it? Because I didn’t know that you are doing it so
obviously I’m screwing up somewhere here and I need
to know how to get around that.
Bunny: I’ll give you a demonstration.
Russ: okay.
Bunny: where did the feline go?
Russ: right next to you there…..other
side, right there, straight down. Oh, now
he's
walking over here.
Bunny: come here feline.
Russ: now she’s in front of you, on
the side. Here, I’ll give you one on my
lap for a demonstration....there.
Bunny: demonstration.
Russ: demonstration kitty.
Bunny: demonstration on what I do to
you. What am I doing to the feline?
Russ: petting it.
Bunny: uh-huh. The
feline isn’t comfortable here, there
we
go. Well, normally the feline would start to purr
and that’s basically what I do to your shielding is
I make it purr. And by making it purr by soothing it
and stroking it and lowering your resistance and
distracting you makes it easier for me to penetrate.
Russ: hmm, well.....
Bunny: I use the one secret weapon
that women have.
Russ: sex appeal.
Bunny: uh-huh, even though it’s not my
body down there, I can still do it. I use my voice,
I use body language and I use charm.
Russ: well you look harmless enough.
Bunny: don’t let this playful,
youthful, well-toned nymphomaniac’s body fool you.
Underneath this beautiful, feminine, charming,
delightful, polite teenager beats the heart of a
ruthless maniac, unlike my sister.
Russ: (laughs) which one?
Bunny: the one that's sitting over
there sucking on my toes.
Russ: ahh Leah.
Bunny: uh-huh who I have wrapped
around my little finger.
Russ: anyway…..
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: back to this. Now we're on to
the question of God complex's this evening.
Bunny: oh I am God.
Russ: right well which is a good point
in making that how do you avoid after getting
through someone’s shields so easily the God
complex taking over? Or you just let it?
Bunny: I’ve never had the desire to
want to take over totally.
Russ: because it’s a form of
coercion correct?
Bunny: yeah, uh-huh,
I'm stacked with coercion.
Russ: so therefore again as in with
Kiri there is that problem where you would get that
God complex I mean.
Bunny: I suppose so, I’ve never had
that experience.
Russ: well I mean the possibilities
are there.
Bunny: I mean as I said, I guess so.
Russ: right.
Bunny: the fact that I’ve never
experienced it doesn’t mean to say that it won’t
happen. You’ve got to remember, I have
not been to much in the way of formal education.
Russ: oh, that’s true.
Bunny: uh-huh. Until I was 13, I was
schooled at home.
Russ: hmm, never thought of that.
Bunny: uh-hmm, I kind of
started enjoying the same recreations that Leah got
into, sailing and hanging out with the sailors and
kind of she was into sunning herself in private
whereas I am more of a extrovert, she’s
an introvert. So I started dancing and playing with
myself whilst dancing and so on. I suppose that in
itself is a form of coercion.
Russ: uh-huh, well now you’re trying
to become a healer correct?
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: so it’s been my observations
that a coercive healer is quite a handy commodity to
have.
Bunny: yes, I’ve
been told that by quite a number of people. One that
I had my head between her legs the other day and she
goes, reaches down, pulls me up and
goes, “hon, apart from tasting good and having a
good tongue, you really should start to learn more
about healing and my sister will help you with your
coercion so that we can mesh them together to be a
team.”
Russ: and yeah, they
make a great team.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: good, I look forward to…..
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: seeing what happens there.
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: let’s see, I was going to talk
to you about something tonight, I can’t
remember what it was though. Something specific
I wanted to ask you about.
Bunny: my panties?
Russ: no......that wasn’t part of the
question I don’t think.
Bunny: it concerns the holo correct?
(a
hologram she had made as an entertainer and
had given to Karra and myself as a gift)
Russ: no.
Bunny: no? Have you tried that yet?
Russ: no not yet.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: I’ve been working a little too
hard lately for that.
Bunny: oh that’s right, yeah.
Russ: oh here’s something.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: is it possible to coerce mind-to-mind
and not be……without the other person’s permission
and yet still not have this moral problem?
Bunny: I don’t know, I don’t have the
schooling.
Russ: nah, neither do I unfortunately.
Bunny: no. I’d much sooner talk about
an explanation on the moral dilemma that your people
have with promiscuity. Oh are you coming
to see me dance tomorrow?
Russ: oh yes that’s right, I will have
some free time for that.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: I should be able to be there,
yes.
Bunny: yeah. That’s 9 o’clock, corner
bar……..oh, 9 o’clock our time.
Russ: right, 11 o’clock our time.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: uh-huh, I’m going to get well
rested for that.
Bunny: yeah, I’m going to be dressed
in some really sexy, hot stuff. Had it custom-made
for me too and it was a gift.
Russ: oh.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: anyway, here’s the reason. I’ve
been thinking about this question that you have by
the way.....
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: and I have an answer for you
now.
Bunny: okay.
Russ: the problem comes in the most
part from what I understand as diseases. It’s not
such a Bible issue anymore as it used to be, it’s
mostly the form of communicable diseases that get
passed along due to promiscuity. Sexually
transmitted diseases.
Bunny okay yeah.
Russ: okay? There’s
quite a variety out there, some are fatal.
Bunny: what’s AIDS? You have that in
your mind with horror.
Russ: right, it’s the immune
deficiency syndrome and it’s a fatal disease
which…..
Bunny: that’s horrific,
it
attacks the cells and it basically destroys the
ability to heal itself?
Russ: yeah, it
takes away your immune deficiency.
Bunny: yeah, I’ve got all that.
Russ: right, they're gone, it’s
history.
Bunny: syphilis? That’s curable by the
looks of it.
Russ: sure.
Bunny: but it's nasty……
Russ: there’s others that aren’t.
Bunny:
it does what did the brain? That’s nasty, that’s
horrible.
Russ: there’s genital herpes.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: just as bad but it’s still
pretty bad.
Bunny: what’s hepatitis B,
C? I read it there but it means nothing to me.
Russ: yeah it’s jaundice, it’s
basically something that affects your liver and it
takes away the liver’s ability to function in its
proper manner so it releases poisons into your
system.
Bunny: oh, okay.
Russ: I’m trying to think a few others
here for you.
Bunny: uh-huh, gonorrhea.
Russ: yeah, gonorrhea.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: that’s a real bad one.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: AIDS is the worst….
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: down to…..there’s one thing
that’s…..
Bunny: what’s that one……
Russ: you can’t get it in my mind for
a fix on it but it’s permanent, there’s no cure for
it but it won't kill you.
Bunny: isn’t that strepto-cocle?
No, that was a bacteria you were thinking of.
Russ: no that's strep throat. No, I
can't get my mind on it but I mean that’s what I’m
talking about, basically the whole gamut…..I’m not
even touching the surface here.
Bunny: yeah, I’ve got all of that.
Russ: okay.
Bunny: I got all of that.
Russ: some of its curable, some of it
isn’t, even if it is curable……
Bunny: oh, so that’s why you’re doing
that, is it’s for the tape. Okay.
Russ: yeah, even though it's curable,
it’s still going to leave permanent scarring or
problems…..oh crabs.
Bunny: no, crabs is curable.
Russ: oh I know crabs is curable but
it’s a very embarrassing and pernicious little
bugger.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: you got that one, anyway....
Bunny: Tia’s saying that Mark calls it
the clap.
Russ: no, clap's different, clap is
gonorrhea. Crabs is little…..
Bunny: oh little…..
Russ: little live little buggers.
Bunny: yeah, mechanized dandruff.
Russ: yeah, you could say that. So
anyway, a lot of the problems that we're seeing
due to the sexually transmitted diseases go along
with the moral issues of being promiscuous whereas
you don't have those problems up there.
Bunny: no.
Russ: see, if we had the same kind of
technology that you
have as far as healing goes and as far as keeping
these things from happening, yeah you’d see a much
more promiscuous and open society down here.
Bunny: yeah and having probed and read
that all in your mind, I had it explained to me
whilst you were explaining it is that you have to
explain it because of…….
Russ: the tape.
Bunny: the tape device.
Russ: correct so the people
can.....when I go back and put this on the
Internet, I'm not going to have this big blank spot…
Bunny: going……
Russ: one-sided conversations, me
and Karra would have this a
lot happen to us so…...
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: this will help a little. Anyway,
yeah that answers your question though.
Bunny: ahh okay, I understand.
Russ: girls who are very promiscuous
are seen as disease carriers.
Bunny: hmm.
Russ: like mosquitoes or something.
Bunny: who’s Bethany?
Russ: Bethany, Bethany is…..
Bunny: why did you link her with
promiscuity?
Russ: I did? Okay, that was
unconscious completely because I don’t see
her as really promiscuous, maybe I do……once? I don’t
know. Anyway, she used to be one of our group
members here.
Bunny: oh.
Russ: and…..
Bunny: but when you were thinking of
promiscuity, a whole load of names popped through
your head and that she was one of them.
Russ: amazing,
you see my mind process better than I do.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: that’s pretty amazing.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: anyway, yeah basically girls who
are promiscuous aren’t seen as being morally
upstanding.
Bunny: ahhh and
you have an image of them as well is that they tend
to be a little bit of reject from society,
explain
that.
Russ: well for the same exact reason,
because
they don’t take care of themselves….
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: they have no safety factors
built into themselves so they're
basically causing harm.
Bunny: so they don’t take care of
themselves. I don’t see how that could work because
people like myself that are very sexually
active…..can you stop that for a second please,
thank you.
(speaking
to someone in the channeling room on the base)
Bunny: people
that......people that are very sexually
active like myself, we take great care of our
cleanliness and our looks. I will sit and I will
brush and brush and brush and brush and brush my
hair until it shines and then I will put
on my lipstick and I will make sure that that
shines. And I will hide any blemishes that I have
such as hickeys or spots on my nose
or cuts or scrapes, I will hide them to be as
beautiful as I can but yet you have the
image of somebody that's overly painted with makeup,
smelling strongly of perfume.....
Russ: all right, let me
put it this way. Let’s say for example someone who
is sexually promiscuous gets AIDS.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: okay on one night with a guy all
right? The next night, she’s with another guy,
he’s
now got AIDS okay? He’s going to die. Now this might
go on for as many guys as she has.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: and maybe they won’t catch it,
some people are immune to it and don’t get it, some
of them only get a lesser form of it.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: but she’s a carrier and she
won’t know until months later because it’s one of
those thing that takes ten months to even
start to show any signs of it......
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: and she’s basically infected
every single person that she’s been with unless they
practice of course safe sex.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: and let's say she doesn’t like
to practice safe sex. Well guys aren't going to
argue with her in general.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: unless she says something,
they’ll just jump right in.
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: so she might not even have it or
know she has it and yet she's
just been the cause of the deaths of who knows how
many people? Well she does.
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: but then they go on and infect
like say their mates.
Bunny: yeah.
Russ: and their mates and so on and so
on.
Bunny: so that’s why your society has
the look down upon somebody that
is active?
Russ: absolutely. It didn’t used to be
this bad back in the sixties
and stuff when you didn't have to worry
about that.
Bunny: uh-huh.
Russ: but now with AIDS, yeah it’s a
very real possibility and anybody you’re
with could…..
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