Archivist Notes: This month we have a podcast
form a session in 1999 where as we did last week, go
with one of the few sixty minute tapes used for
the channeling sessions. This one has
a lot of important information
included in the shortened
session but none more so than
the the key Omal
gives us for living
forever. Naturally logic and science
plenty of evidence against such a
thing but Omal presents it in a theoretical sense
and it is in
that context the information
can best be appreciated.
When it is a being tens of
thousands of years old
that is explaining
what it takes to live
forever, his suggestion
carries a lot of
advice while it may
not leas to instant
be utilized to help live
as long as possible at least.
It's Tia though who
gets the night off
subject as the
turn of the
Y2K. We know
but back in
the effects on
on at length.
put our minds
at ease. Her
other main topic
As one of the
the base, her
side one by
back that day.
Kosovo and how
war can be
both good and
to the end of
role they play
body and spirit
with us about
the chakras is
that you may
open them up to
but you should
have a plan of
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Skip: hi sweetie.
Tia: hey, how’s it going?
Tia: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, heeeyyy, hey. Okay, I’m here.
Skip: we’re here.
Tia: good, good, good, good, good, good. Okay where do we start, where do we start? Why don’t we throw the floor open and ask questions.....well?
Skip: you want to ask about that?
Laura: yeah, I wanted to know about
Laura: like how should we prepare for it in the best way?
Tia: okay, the way that I see it in your location, there won’t be too much of a problem however there’s going to be more of a financial thing and it will be rectified fairly quickly because it involves vast quantities of fiscal flow. The countries that should be concerned are the ones that are less well-developed, fortunately they’re not as reliant upon computers as your current location. The economic powers, most of them are pretty much prepared however some of the other countries that are involved that aren’t as prepared may cause problems that won’t be noticeable at first. It will be more of a cascade effect but it may be handy to have a couple days supply of water kicking around, a couple days of heating equipment, eating materials just to be on the safe side. You don’t want to take it to the extreme of having three months of food supplies stockpiled. I don't see it being much of a problem for you guys but for other people in locations that are reliant on computers but aren’t as technologically advanced, it could be a definite problem. There are businesses out there which have programs that are very expensive to upgrade to be KY2 compatible and those businesses will suffer. It will be more along the lines of a cascade effect or trickle-down effect where businesses and countries that don’t have the wherewithal to be able to upgrade as rapidly may have the problems. A lot of businesses are already KY2 compatible, a lot of government agencies do present a little bit of a problem. The military has its problems but I wouldn’t be too concerned about that…….that’s better. Also civil aviation may have its problems as they’re still working with equipment that was put in in the ‘70’s but again they’re trying to upgrade as much as possible. It is a major undertaking and it does bear watching but it’s not going to be as big a problem as people thought it might be unless you are in less well-developed countries.
Skip: question darling…...
Skip: the only thing that concerns me and I’m sure it concerns a lot of people is the electrical upgrade on the systems. They’ve predicted rolling brownouts and blackouts all the way across the country.
Tia: that is possible, again it depends on whether or not the software is upgraded. There's a common misconception going around and this is going to get a groan from the computer people of the world that hardware is not compatible. That is an erroneous assumption, it's the software that is the problem. It is quite possible that there may be brownouts, there may even be blackouts but not on the scale that people are predicting.
Tia: it will be in urban areas where there is a need for upgrade as it were.
Tia: and those areas are working to upgrade as fast as they can.
Skip: yeah, there was a special on our television the other night about Social Security bureau’s upgraded their systems.......
Skip: but the people that write the checks for the Social Security recipients are not upgraded so we might not get our checks for a while after the first of the year.
Tia: it may be a few weeks to a month but as I said, if you’ve got supplies standing by you can always use them in the period whilst you’re waiting for your fiscal income.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh. I was just kind of curious because I was figuring on stockpiling at least a month.
Tia: if you want to it might be handy to have it just to be on the safe side for other problems.
Tia: I mean you never know when something’s going to happen that you may need that month’s supply.
Tia: besides, it makes it unnecessary to go down to your…..what you call them? Stores......your shops….
Tia: to buy food if you’ve got some already stockpiled. Yeah for example, if there was a major earthquake and the roads were cut……..
Skip: yeah or if we come to a revolution.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah uh-huh.
Laura: so in another words, it’s not going to be like a major world disaster like some have predicted it is?
Tia: in some locations it will be, other locations it won’t be. I see that in the more technologically advanced areas it would not be.
Laura: so for instance, Germany, France, all those, they won’t be as affected will they?
Tia: no, no but the countries around them, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland might be.
Skip: because they’re not as technically advanced as we are.
Laura: what about Russia?
Tia: Russia, oh Russia yes......Russia, we can open a whole can of worms there and go on about that for a long period of time, long period of time. Russia has its unique problems where it has the upgrades are already in place and in some cases it was unnecessary because the thinkers earlier were already aware of the situation and 10 or 15 years ago planned accordingly. There are other problems where they’re working with two sets of software side-by-side in different computer languages and they’ve integrated them however one set is compatible with KY2 or K2Y or whatever you guys want to call it……year 2000 problem………and the other set of software is not so you have an interface problem that is going to cause the difficulty of the communication between the two systems and that’s where a problem can occur.
Laura: uh-huh, what about their defense system?
Tia: defense system? Again they have those problems but the former Soviet Union, Russia, all those areas are not as evolved so that they will have the problems there. But the problems that I see concerning directly your immediate existence is not that big but for those countries such as the former Soviet Union, all that area does present some problems especially in the capability of its military. Especially with some of these systems that they use as I stated that work on different languages that are interfaced where one set of software has compatibility and the other set of software doesn’t.
Tia: and one's reliant on the other and so on.
Tia: Mir is a prime example of that where you have three, no two different sets of software and one set of software is compatible and the other set isn’t, you have problems.
Laura: so what are your predictions about the Kosovo deal right now?
Tia: oh the Kosovo deal, the bane of my existence at the moment. Well, it’s a very, very tricky situation, one that bears watching. Okay, they are going into a new phase of readiness……..okay let’s start off with some history, a little history lesson. In that area you have many different ethnic groups which everybody is aware of. You have the Croats, you have the Serbians, you have the Muslims, you have the Christians, you have all these different religious ethnic groups. The Albanians, the ethnic Macedonians……oh Macedonia is an interesting place. Quick historical question that is open, name one of the most famous military leaders in the last 3000 years.....give you a clue, he’s a Macedonian and I’ll rule out a few people for you. Napoleon, Peter, Catherine the great, Peter the Great.
Russ: Alexander the great.
Tia: that’s correct, he’s a Macedonian, they’re a very warlike people. Macedonians are sitting patiently on the sideline watching. The problem is that nobody has been able to defeat the Yugoslavs. They’ve invaded them, they’ve had armies stationed there, Suleiman the Magnificent attacked there and conquered part of it but was not able to hold it. Adolf Hitler sent in 10 divisions or a quarter of a million men to pacify the area. Uh-uh, failed. These are just two individuals that have tried to pacify that area in the last 600 years.
Russ: World War I started there.
Tia: correct, in Sarajevo. It is a very volatile place. When they had the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in I think it was June or July 1914, that opened up a whole can of worms and the Austria-Hungarian Empire went to war with them and Germany sided with them and France, Russia and Great Britain sided against them and we all know what happened by the end of 1918. So, with this historical knowledge and each country that has invaded there was at the height of its technological advancement, the superpower of the day. Much like the United States and NATO is now, the superpower of the day. None of those superpowers of the day could beat them. Sure, they could held armies there but there was always continued guerrilla action. The terrain is so rugged that it is very hard to get in with aircraft, military personnel, you can hold an army up with a few hundred men in the passes there. Even with modern equipment, they can still be bottled up by such things as rock slides, avalanches, timber blocking the road which makes them very vulnerable. Some of those passes are very narrow. So you’ve got this superpowers trying to enforce their idea of a moralistic ideal on a country that doesn’t want it. Certainly, and I will quote, “Slobodan Milošević is a very nasty dictator, very nasty.” But the people that are loyal to him are fanatical, they will fight and do whatever he wants. So, with NATO being involved and bearing in mind the past track record of these groups of individuals, the problems that I see is that the ethnic cleansing is being accelerated by the attacks, by the air attacks, the air assaults and the clampdown that has recently occurred on the press and also the fact that men of combat age are not being allowed to leave the country suggest that the country is mobilizing. A lot of these people are willingly joining the fight in their ideal of ethnic cleansing. There is also over a quarter of a million individuals on the move fleeing from the fighting and the bombing and so both sides are at fault of creating a worsening situation. Certainly Slobodan Milošević’s forces are being blamed for killing people that are actually being killed in the bombings by NATO and visa-versa. So the situation is deteriorating at such a rate and nobody is learning from past experience. All's you have to do is look at the history of the area and you can see what the problems were, what happened, what’s going to happen with a high probability. My predictions are that there will be an agreement reached again much like Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milošević will back down temporarily, regroup and then continue with his expansion. Now the latest leaning is for Kosovo to become an independent province. Well, they don’t want that, they will not agree to that so therefore you get back to the stalemate and the NATO forces will have to enforce their will. This cannot be done solely by air combat, it has to be done with forces on the ground which opens up a new can of worms. Going back to some earlier statements about armed forces going into an area, it becomes difficult for them to maneuver on the ground because of the terrain. We can point to supposed situations where NATO has intervened for example Bosnia where there is now peace. Well if you do the research, you will find out that most parties that were involved in that combat before NATO arrived were actually at a stalemate and had kind of solidified in a way where they are now. NATO basically went in and did nothing apart from run supplies and aid in the supplies that needed to be shipped because of the damage done from the fighting. Certainly there were a few casualties created because of things left over from the war such as landmines and antipersonnel mines and Claymores and the occasional disgruntled individual or groups of individuals that were more interested in I believe the term would be booty then doing the actual fighting. Using terrorist tactics or bandit tactics to continue their reign of terror so that they have money to become more affluent. The same situation is occurring right now in Kosovo, that the Kosovo liberation front will become more active and be supplied somewhat hush-hushly by various political organizations throughout the world that see them as the opportunity to create their own territory and to use these individuals as a front for testing out equipment, seeing what will happen and making money. I think I’ve gone on quite long enough. In essence, what will occur is that the country will attempt to be partitioned, Slobodan Milošević will agree temporarily, wait until things quiet down, he’s in good health so he has plenty of time to wait. And once things have quieted down and NATO is busy elsewhere, he will restart his actions and his expansionist plans and try to take back what was originally his. Now if we go back in time to Gen. Tito who basically was a founder of Yugoslavia or greater Yugoslavia which included Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia and Yugoslavia and Kosovo and Macedonia, you will be acutely aware if you analyze his tactics that he was a very, very harsh political leader. The fact he was probably just as harsh as Slobodan Milošević. And to control a country like that you have to be harsh but not the point of being into the ethnic cleansing. Gen. Tito or Marshall Tito was not into that, he was not into ethnic cleansing, he was into maintaining law and order and control over the area that he had established. After all originally he was just a partisan leader. Slobodan Milošević is a more sophisticated, militaristic, ethnically leaning individual. Okay, got any questions?
Skip: no I think you’ve covered it pretty well.
Tia: oh thank you, I try to be detailed but not boringly detailed but I think I got a little boring in places. Don’t all disagree. (Chuckles all around.) Okay let’s move along and let’s answer some other extraneous questions.
Russ: hmm, stock market hitting 10,000 today……yesterday.
Tia: any more questions?
Skip: no, not for me.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Omal: greetings, greetings everybody, greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings Laura.
Russ: hi Omal.
Omal: okay, how’s everything going and I will address that problem. Okay, the question was asked by Russ about the stock market reaching 10,000. I’m not a market analyst unfortunately but I will endeavor to do my best. Okay I think that it was certainly a significant milestone. It wasn’t the first time that it’s happened, it’s been over the 10,000 I believe this is the second time. It has been hovering around that area for some time. It is definitely a very interesting milestone. With the information that I have at hand, it would be possible to speculate that it will continue to climb over the 10,000 maybe closing over the 10,000 again and sliding back down the following day as it has done today. It may climb even higher, how high? As I said, I’m not a market analyst so it is difficult for me to speculate but reliable sources say with certain amount of certainty that it will at some point sooner or later close two, three or even four hundred points above 10,000. Again I am not a market analyst and I am speculating but with a certain amount of certainty, there is continued growth but it is slowing. The economic situations that I see may start to take a turn for the worse towards the end of the summer, the starting of fall. It would be worth watching as fall approaches. Everybody talks about the magic time in October which traditionally stock market crashes have occurred. Okay, without getting dry and boring, let us throw open the floor to discussion and questions and answers.
Russ: well Tia was talking about the Yugoslavia…..
Russ: and one of the things we’ve talked about before is the practice for the dimensional shift that’s coming……
Russ: and how there will be financial problems here and there that will help out our growth in getting to a higher consciousness through the adversarial effects of that.
Omal: uh-huh, you have learn’t a new word have you not?
Russ: one or two. (Chuckles.) Is what they’re going through in Bosnia and Kosovo sort of practice for them, kind of their whole mindset is changing toward that?
Omal: unfortunately their mindset is not
changing, it is a situation as was stated that is
thousands, well hundreds of years old. It is a
situation that has been going on so long that people
have forgotten initially what started the problems.
It was not initially an ethic thing, more of a
tribalistic, religious problem. It has now got to
the point where nobody really remembers what the
initial problems were but it is now to the point
where it is a very ethnic, “my race is better than
your race, your race is lower than mine, we will
treat you accordingly.”
Omal: so for them it is not something
new, it is something that has been going on and
whilst it was under communist rule, it was
downplayed during the early ‘40’s and late ‘30’s. It
was again downplayed because of communications
weren’t there as much and then we can see as Tia
pointed out and you stated that in 1914 the first
world war started there but there have been problems
continually there for quite a few hundred years. If
you look at the area, it is a very harsh and rugged
area and if you go back to a very famous individual
that is now a character of myth and legend, Vladimir
Dracule, you will see if you follow his
history that he was actually fighting the Muslims
and the Turks.
Omal: so it is something that it is in that area at least five, 600 years old.
Omal: the unfortunate thing with Dracule is that he is painted now as a devil worshiper because of his practice of impaling people. In fact he was a very pious and religious Christian individual.
Russ: well that’s too bad, you think they would have some good practice now with all the things that are going on there.
Laura: apparently no one's learned a lesson or else we wouldn't still have wars.
Omal: that is unfortunate but struggle does serve a very useful purpose. It serves the purpose of speeding up learning processes. Certainly war is a very bad thing however from war some major technological advances have occurred. For example, computers, the microchip, microprocessors, capacitors, transistors, medical developments, jet engines, rocket engines, these have all come from an accelerated process that started in 1938 with the various rocketry organizations, the Goddard’s, and the von Braun’s and all the other individuals that pioneered rocketry. With the development of rocketry comes a whole myriad of possible advancements that are now necessary to accompany the advancement into space. So to say that warfare is bad is correct but you also have to look on the positive side of the technological advances that come from that.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: as has been stated in the past and I believe is a popular catchphrase, good and evil, you can’t have one without the other.
Laura: when you’re speaking of evil is really just a transition.
Omal: correct, it is a point of view.
Russ: anyone else before I go on anymore?
Skip: no uh-uh.
Russ: okay Karra have been discussing the chakras lately…..
Russ: and did a little practice with what she’s been teaching and one of the things I wanted to work with you on is the crown chakra because we dealt on that last week…..
Omal: oh yes.
Russ: working into my consciousness a little bit. She mentioned how between the third in the sixth dimension the chakra has such a change of speed and opening…..
Russ: how fast it opens and closes. Well when she mentioned the fact that you could work on bringing your chakra speed up, in practice of that I’ve noticed that it does in fact bring about a certain level of newer consciousness.
Russ: but I also find that with that you get rather dizzy.
Russ: now what kind of balance does it take to maintain that speed and yet not get the dizziness?
Omal: okay you are increasing the speed of just one chakra correct?
Omal: you have to do all chakras.
Laura: in other words stay in balance.
Omal: correct. Does somebody have a
clapper attached that light? (A bulb in the room
kept going on and off.)
Omal: no, obviously not.
Russ: okay, now bunefits to this….
Russ: benefits are quite obvious but now is the speeding up of the crown chakra I guess along with the others a doorway into higher consciousness then?
Omal: yes and no, yes and no. It certainly is a doorway if you learn how to control it and use it properly. Also if you have the intelligence and the intellect to be able to understand what is actually happening. If you don’t and you accelerate and you have no comprehension of what you’re doing, it is an exercise in futility. If you don’t comprehend or plan accordingly, what are you going to do with the increase in awareness? Are you going to have a desire to do anything with that increasing awareness?
Omal: so it is something that you have to have the intellect and the intelligent capability to be able to use it.
Russ: I see, so it’s similar in ways to meta-concert?
Omal: yes but on a personal level.
Russ: on a personal level, okay.
Omal: it is more tuning your body and mind. If you remember, it has been discussed in the past that how can you extend your life if you don’t have a healthy body and a healthy mind and a healthy spiritual existence?
Omal: after all, you can have a healthy
mind that will run for an indefinite period of time
but if the body is not healthy, then it fails. And
you may be conscious and aware……..
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal expands on what he started on side one.)
Laura: okay what I’m trying to understand is, we learned that the mind controls the body in other words, a healthy mind produces a healthy body.
Omal: that is correct that you have to have a healthy mind and the understanding to maintain the healthy body. You can keep a body healthy but if the mind is no longer willing to continue for advancement, then the body will eventually fall into disrepair. It is again you can’t have one without the other. To maintain a healthy body you must have a healthy mind. To maintain a healthy mind you must have a healthy body. After all, the physical body is nothing more than a vessel for the brain and the mental capacities related thereof too. So it is important to continue to have a mental awareness as well as a physical well-being that are at a level that are equal. You can certainly drive a mind too hard as you can drive a body too hard so it is a balance that is necessary.
Omal: however, if you try to keep a body healthy but you do not have the mental capacity or intellect or desire to keep a healthy mind, then the body after a while just becomes a vessel for an empty organ. So it is important to remember that it is necessary for a body to be healthy as well as a mind to be healthy.
Russ: hmm, now one of those is with chakras.
Russ: and if your chakras are hurting, so is the rest of your entire body.
Omal: as well as your mind.
Russ: as well as your mind.
Laura: once your mind gets to the point where it can’t advance further in that particular incarnation, it doesn’t matter anymore because you’re supposed to be in another stage now and your body in a way responds to that that the mind cannot fulfill any more than it already has in the particular dimension or in a particular lifetime correct?
Omal: that is correct 99.9%, I won’t quibble over the .1%. I would have worded this a little differently but then you are not I, you are you which is good.
Russ: so you’re saying there is as she says a limit where you can grow to and then you can’t advance any further?
Omal: yes to a certain extent, as I said there is that .1%. The .1% is that it depends on how you pace yourself. If you have a constant questing for knowledge, a thirst for knowledge that is unquenchable and you have the desire to maintain a healthy body plus a healthy mind and you have that unquenchable thirst for knowledge, then theoretically your body should be able to go on for an indefinite period. Getting older and older and more and more and more creaky as more and more things start to wear out. But with proper care and maintenance, theoretically the human body, the third dimensional human body could go on for an indefinite period of time. Death normally occurs when the desire to continue learning has ceased to be or you have learned all that you wish to learn in that incarnation. But if you are programmed in your waiting period to have that insatiable questing for knowledge and also programmed to have that capability for maintenance of the mind as well as the body, then theoretically it should go on forever. I say theoretically, everybody has a limit where they eventually get to the point where they are no longer interested in learning anymore or they become tired of learning. That is the point where most people that survive most traumatic events or illnesses give up. They’ve learned as much as they wish to in that incarnation.
Omal: that is the .1%.
Russ: so when you get to the sixth dimensional stage…..
Russ: and you’re living for a thousand years, I mean it's the same situation. You can go on indefinitely beyond that if…..
Omal: theoretically yes.
Laura: different setting, same thing.
Omal: uh-huh, different terms though.
Russ: so is that why you’ve lived so long?
Omal: I have a thirst for knowledge that would surprise you.
Omal: my metabolism is different and my outlook on time is different as I stated last week. A minute, an hour, a week, a year after I finish my tea. And with this fifth dimensional coffee mug that I was given to drink my tea from, that may be a few hundred years. Still haven’t figured out how it keeps warm.
Russ: that’s a good one.
Skip: I’m trying to absorb all you’ve said.
Omal: Ahh. Okay, I see we are running dry on questions.
Omal: I will depart.
Russ: thank you.
Skip: thank you Omal.
Laura: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and I’ll be back.
Skip: I’m sure.
Omal: for entertainment purposes, “I will take the Uzi 9 mm with laser sights and the plasma rifle.”
(Tia steps in to make the handover to the next speaker.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, I’ll put on the next speaker as I’m ring mistress for the night. Let me get my whip and top hat out and my tails. Don’t everybody laugh all at once. (Mutters to herself.) Third dimensional senses of humor, I'm never going to figure them out.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Treebeard has his turn sharing his knowledge.)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings Russ, greetings Skip.
Treebeard: greetings Laura. I am being of pleasure to communicate with you. Let us continue on where at we were. Hmm, I believe Omal was dwelling upon the consciousness and the body existence and the longevity question.
Treebeard: let us continue and answer questions that being of unleft be open to discussion.
Russ: well being as you have reached a rather advanced age for sixth dimension, what is your opinions on this, learning and all?
Treebeard: hmmm, to give an answer so readily would be hasty but as your species is very in the moment and wishing to have answers immediately and being of that nature, I will have to answer in a way I am not appreciative of but endeavor to try to comprehend. My opinion is of being age is not a hindrance or problem but is more an advancement to a particular objective. The physical being is a vessel for the consciousness as Omal being of stated. What is more important is that being aware of what was is a lesson in what is and learning from both is a lesson in what will be. With a certain amount of certainty I can say that tomorrow your sun will arise and ascend into your daytime sky and then set into the nighttime sky. That is taking what was, what is and taking it to what will be. So by saying that great age is a word of unimportance, it is unimportant for me to say I am old. I am not, there are individuals being of older age then myself. My body is of age, great I do not know but age yes. Being of old is more of a learning lesson for what will be. I am being dry, let us try to answer other beings of questions.
Laura: okay, I have a question. I heard somebody that prior to birth we would know what we come here for. For instance like contracts with certain people, you would know that prior to birth, is that so?
Treebeard: yes but once after being of birth you are not aware of and lessons that come along the way are designed in a way that lead to a particular objective that you desire or actions past lead up to the present, the now. All are being of designed to lead to this point. Hardships in youth make you what you are now. Be contented of who are, if not the lessons that you had, would you be who you are? So lessons no matter how harsh, how painful, how horrific make you who you are now. To desire to be someone other than who you are is a dangerous pursuit. I have noted many people on your planet in my research of understanding that try to be someone who not being they are. They masquerade and wear faces that are not theirs. There are so many that it would be difficult to point them all out but eventually world of theirs comes crashing down. All things that they take from others returned to others or glorify others. However individuals being of doing that that do it with good intent because as they are, they cannot achieve what they desire to help others, that becomes useful and good. They borrow and glorify the person that they are taking from and in doing so they glorify themselves. That is good but when it is done self-serving, that becomes negative and feedback on itself so what is taken is returned.
Russ: hmmm, but there’s been examples of those who are like a light who shine forth going about their daily lives enlightening other people, making them happy and teaching.
Treebeard: that is correct, that is what I said in my communication.
Russ: hmm, so growth comes from being happy no matter which side you're doing.
Laura: if it’s in good intent, would not harm anyone.
Treebeard: correct, it is more with not harming anyone but doing good for others.
Laura: I have a question about harming anyone. We talk about people’s best and highest good, how do we know what is for their best and highest good and how do we know we're not interfering with their life? Because what we might think is not harming them might be harming them.
Treebeard: ahh but by pointing them in a direction that is self-serving is negative.
Treebeard: in a situation where a individual is not totally truthful and is doing it for self-serving purposes but is appearing to do it of good and with good intent in appearance but is serving onto themselves, then that is negative even if they masquerade under good and useful being.
Laura: how does one know himself he’s not self-serving?
Treebeard: it is more looking back and seeing what is done. If it has brought happiness and enlightenment, then it is good. If it has not benefited the person that is bringing the happiness and enlightenment, that is good. If it has benefited more than the individual that they are teaching and learning, then that is bad. If it glorifies them at the expense in the long run of the person they are helping, that is bad. But if it helps and benefits both, that is of highest good. That is the most hardest one of all. An individual will help another but if the individual is not of learning or desire to advance or comprehending of what is being offered, that is not bad, that is a lesson for the person trying to teach the lesson. I believe covered last week was a situation where Kiri was trying to help a newly ascended individual become more conscious and aware but the lack of understanding of individual being not as high for understanding or comprehension brought many problems but Kiri doing it of good intent and trying, learned a lesson on patience when to say enough. That is a lesson.
Skip: I learned a lot of them myself.
Treebeard: yes, so I have seen. But with good intent you try to help and teach and learn from.
Treebeard: those are all good.
Treebeard: being taken advantage of in good nature as all present have being done in past and present is useful. Learn from those situations for advancement.
Treebeard: be aware that they are teaching tools and when time is done, then you must say enough.
Skip: uh-huh, I’ve already been there. (Chuckles.) Thank you.
Treebeard: yes I am seeing in you are being to visit there again I believe.
Skip: probably because I can’t change who I am.
Treebeard: did I not say that at start?
Skip: that’s correct, that’s correct.
Treebeard: would you trade all those lessons?
Laura: no way, uh-uh.
Treebeard: they have taught you to be who you are.
Laura: yeah definitely.
Treebeard: you would not be here if you weren’t who you were.
Treebeard: and in doing so we, that is us here on Hades Base, try to impart what little knowledge that we have to aid you in your growth.
Skip: little? You’re a master of understatement.
Treebeard: I do not comprehend. It is a paradox, how can one be a master of understating something?
Skip: little, your knowledge is way, way, way beyond what we have.
Treebeard: you think so? I think not. You just not know where to look. Look within yourself and you will see that it is but a little, it is as you might say a trifle. There is so much knowledge that even if we sit here for a hundred cycle of your planet, that not being enough to explain one billionth of all knowledge so it is a little.
Skip: I understand that but I don’t have that kind of knowledge, you do.
Treebeard: you have different knowledge, you have not knowledge of plant or shrub or tree but of metal and mineral. I have not, I have a plant and vegetable but no metal or mineral.
Russ: hmm, so we each have our skills?
Skip: oh yeah, yeah that is true.
Russ: I have computer skills, I know a little about plants........
Laura: it's part of balance.
Russ: but that’s all part of living.
Skip: but I’m trying to learn.
Laura: well don’t try, do it.
Skip: I am.
Treebeard: trying is but the first step but life’s journey begins with of but a single step. One foot in front of the other. I know I quote lot from your minds tonight.
Treebeard: okay let us continue and make more lively of discussion.
Russ: okay, I have a question on chakras that I’ve been working with. Treebeard and I were working on this last week and the way devas……
Russ: their speed of chakras must be much higher than sixth dimension and even further to a point where they’re invisible?
Treebeard: it would be hard to say, I know devas but how they operate is hard for me. They are mystical in how they operate.
Treebeard: I know how to appease them, I know how to make them do what I wish but more is open to debate and conjecture.
Russ: right which is what I have been debating on myself is how do they interact with the plant kingdom as far as their energy and the plant that they’re working with's energy. Perhaps if you knew that, I might have a better idea.
Treebeard: being of way that work, they work in ways that are what we neglect. They are concerned with leaf and root. The roots are important for nutrition and advancement but leaf also plays much importance in creating food to be stored in roots. So devas being of aware of this, work in ways that encourage leaf to bend in way to generate maximum nutritional capability and once leaf become old, dispense. Deva see that plant grow in place not suited ignore, neglect and will eventually cease to function as plant and be returned to ground for nutritional absorbment. But plant ideally situated that need little nudge of help, get from deva that desire to do so. But short-term plant come and go in a blink of a deva’s mind or be there for a long time if being of plant that deva enjoys existing. It is important to restate that devas live on different time perception than we do. A year can be a second, a blink of a eye for them but a second can be an eternity. It is a paradox.
Treebeard: feel free to open to conjecture.
Russ: I’ve got a dwell on that one.
Treebeard: okay, then maybe offer different opening? As you know, I am keen on plants, primary love great trees of size. Maybe that opening of floor for more debate or discussion? Or am I……? I am being of too dry.
Skip: you’re doing just fine.
Treebeard: okay.....it being of pleasure, I go and depart.
Skip: okay, thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Laura: thank you.
(Tia gets us to our special guest speaker.)
Tia: I think he lost you guys somewhere along the lines.
Skip: no, just gave us a lot to think about.
Tia: sensory overload I think would be the correct phrase correct?
Skip: yeah maybe a little.
Tia: well he's sometimes very hard to follow in his words and sometimes he's very easy. It's very, very confusing for me. You think you have a hard time, it’s not even my native language. Okay, nobody’s going to ask any questions? Okay.
Skip: yeah, where’s Lyka?
Tia: Lyka is on Sirius.
Skip: okay, all right.
Skip: just wanted to find out.
Tia: uh-huh, okay.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Korton finishes up the session.)
Korton: greetings and felicitations.
Korton: greetings Russell…...
Korton: greetings Skip……
Skip: good evening Sir.
Korton: greetings young lady.
Skip: that’s Laura.
Skip: there you go.
Korton: okay, now as we have had a very interesting communication dilemma, I am present to discuss certain linguistic abilities. First of all, the gentleman you call Treebeard is not of……..he is not learned in English so he does best to translate from Sirian to English and as you have noticed, literal translations are not the same as a direct translation. So it is necessary to as has been stated in the past Russell, it is important to listen carefully when he talks. I am the base communicator, I’m in charge of communications for Ashtar Command so you can understand that it is important for myself to be eloquent. Unfortunately some of our guest speakers are not as eloquent or gifted in the linguistic abilities so it becomes quite tedious for you to listen to them and figure what they are saying between the lines. In fact it is supremely hard sometimes. For those that are multilingual, it becomes even harder to follow the threads and paths that are laid out.
Laura: not really, I didn’t have any difficulty really.
Korton: well I am saying in general, I am making a general statement. I am not saying that it is difficult for you or for anybody else but as a general statement weaving a pathway so that everything is weaved together can be very difficult when dealing with somebody that translates what they literally think into a linguistic sound for them. Okay as a communicator, I open the floor to be able to facilitate a learning that may aid us all.
Korton: so ask away.
Russ: now I notice with Ashtar Command, it's been fairly quiet for news and things that have been going on as far as happenings from what I’ve seen on the Internet and other places.
Laura: that’s true.
Russ: and that sort of reflects kind of third dimensional space we know of also. Except for Kosovo, it’s been quiet here also. Do the two interrelate in that way?
Korton: no, no. The fact that it has been quiet is the fact that we are not communicating which would open to the possibility of if we're not communicating, what would that suggest?
Skip: you have nothing to say.
Laura: not necessarily.
Korton: or we are……we have a lot to say but we are too busy.
Russ: well that would…….
Korton: you have to remember that there is a lot going on with preparations for debate and discussions and talks for the advancement of certain species for an…….
THE TAPE ENDS
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