(Kiri continues speaking)
by their mind.
okay, thank you.
can control people by my thought, such as......
John: can you control me?
Kiri: if I put my mind to
Russ: don't ask for a
John: well no I won't ask
Kiri: good, good.
Russ: it's been
demonstrated to my satisfaction.
Russ: it's too
much work on Mark's body try to stress it out
John: but that is the
definition of coercion?
Kiri: yes, it's being able
to manipulate somebody to your will.
John: okay and in this
learning, I'm going to be taught how to practice this
Kiri: to protect yourself
from it. We will see if you have the aptitude to
be coercer or if not, we will teach you how to
defend yourself against it. However there are
individuals around that have incredible coercive
ability just with their voice alone. I'm working
on that. I'm not very good at it but I'm working
John: yeah I'm very
interested in being able to not do it but not to,
I'd rather have it not to be accepted, you know
what I mean?
John: not to be done to me.
Kiri: yeah, Mark is quite a
strong coercer by earth standards. Have you ever
noticed that sometimes he'll walk into a room and
you'll have your back to him and suddenly you'll
turn around and look at him?
Kiri: or the feeling that
he's in the room and you didn't even hear him come
in. And that's because of Mark's coercive aura. If
he wants your attention, instead of saying,
going...(clears her throat), he would
just get you to turn around and not be startled or
John: so it's a sense of
sensing his presence before I physically see him?
Kiri: yes but he's already
in the room and you get the feeling that Mark's in
the room and you have to turn around and talk to
John: yeah I gotta jump on
coercion. You know, yeah, yeah I mean I know when
Mark pulls in the driveway.
Kiri: yeah, I mean it's his
presence that he does have, he's not as good as I
am and he's got a long way to be as good as I am,
but certainly he does have talent.
John: okay Russ has got
some important questions.
Russ: how in the use of
coercion do you manage to negate the fact that you
feel like you're using someone?
Kiri: it's normally to
speed up things, to expedite matters or to protect
Russ: well it still goes
back to the spirit of the question again.
Kiri: how do you feel.....
Russ: it's a moral issue.
Kiri: it's something that
you have to get used to. Is it moral to see
somebody doing something that's going to harm them
and not do anything about it or is it morally
wrong to stop them from doing that?
Russ: that's the question,
are you speeding up their growth or are you
stunting their growth?
Kiri: umm...it depends on
the situation. It's something that you have to
deal with yourself.
Russ: you deal with it
every day sweetheart, how do you deal with it?
deal with it is that it's a necessary tool to
speed up communication, it's a necessary tool to
protect people from themselves, I do not use it
when I'm in the lovemaking mode although I can use
it if I'm already making love to heighten
somebody's senses which is mutually pleasurable
Russ: how about when you
Kiri: that is teaching him.
It is also helping him to understand that there
are certain things that he's not
allowed to do.
John: can I jump in real
John: how can Russ and I,
being communicators and healers.......
how can we use coercion....am I pronouncing it
Kiri: yeah, uh-hmm.
John: how can we use that
where we don't abuse it but use it to our
spiritual growth and to people that we interact
with? I mean how can we use this........and
I mean this knowledge is very profound and very
important to me, how can we use it on our third
dimensional basis dealing with egos and everything
just our lives? How can we use this tool and use
it correctly without abusing it?
(Karra takes over)
okay, I've been put on the help Kiri explain it.
Coercion can be used in healing to help somebody
open up their mind to the prospect of being healed
in a different way. When you combine healing and
coercion together you get a combination that is
very powerful and potent. A coercive healer,
they're very rare that are very fully function and
operational in both, is an extremely useful tool
to help people heal themselves. They can put
somebody in a framework in their mind by using
their coercion and their healing ability combined
can point a person on the road to healing.
However, there is a temptation with a coercive
healer to act as God. There was a very good
example here just recently of a coercive healer,
Russ, what was that person's name? Or let me ask
Johnny, what was that person's name? A corrupt
John: I mean Russ comes to
mind right away but.....
Karra: it's the first time
you have been called a corrupt coercive healer
Russ: thank you sweetheart.
John: but probably that
Karra: no, Russ?
Karra: no, in this house.
Russ: oh, in this house.
John: well I said Russ and
I said Mark, would it be John?
Karra: no, you're not a
corrupt healer, Mark has very little healing
ability and Russ, well he can be corrupted.
Russ: she's talking about
(Ed. note: This
was a past
of both John and I from Sedona we
knew from the same circle of friends.)
John: (chuckles) oh, okay,
okay, is her
presence still with us?
Russ: hello. (The phone rings and the conversation edited
(Kiri takes over)
teamwork, big sis and myself.
John: okay now why did you
bring up Linda and what is the significance, what
is my learning out of this? I'm a little bit
confused, I'm trying to get as much information
and define as much of this material
as I can.
Kiri: I think Karra was
trying to use the lesson of Linda,
Linda has become corrupt with her
coercer healer routine that she's
the best, that she knows exactly what
she's doing and it doesn't
matter what it takes to heal somebody
she will do it as long as it feels good to her.
John: and that is the worst
attitude from my learning standpoint, that is what
I want avoid is that correct?
John: would like some more
Kiri: no, I was going to
explain. Now the thing is, let's say I'm a healer
right and I've got my coercive ability. Now I come
over and I make you feel better right? And you
know I have to hurt you little bit to make you
feel better but in actual fact the only person I
making feel good is me because I'm the best and
it's good for my ego to be better than everybody
else to be the best healer but
the only person I'm serving is myself. See what
John: I believe so.
Kiri: and Linda is very
much like that wasn't she? She got
upset when Mark refused to submit to her coercive
healing. She got
very upset didn't she?
not so much the coercive healing though, I mean
she's pretty light in the coercive department.
Kiri: yeah but she knows
how to use it. Even a little bit
a coercion used correctly with healing can almost
double its power.
John: and if used
correctly, can you do more than double the power?
Kiri: certainly, certainly,
you can open yourself up very much. For example,
could you come a little bit closer and put your
hand out? We're going to combine here quickly for
a second....just put your hand out...alright
you have a cut on your hand right? Which hand is
the cut on?
John: I don't know, I got
cuts and burns and stuff everywhere, I always do.
Kiri: okay, right there
there's a cut there isn't it? Okay,
now you feel it warming up there? It's starting to
tickle too isn't it?
John: uhh yeah, I feel the
Kiri: uh-huh, now that is a
combination of healing from Karra and you felt how
mellow that you got and how open that you were?
Kiri: yeah, that was my
coercion there. You see we have to combine. We use
Mark's energy to be manipulated by Karra's healing
to create the necessary energy to come out of his
finger to work on that little spot there and
we use my coercive energy from Mark's eye, if I
could get the other one to stay open, to focus on
you to bring you into a mellow open, receptive
mode you see?
John: but I am in
a mellow, receptive, open mode.
Kiri: yes but you suddenly
became much more relaxed and open.
John: that's true I did,
no doubt about it.
Kiri: yeah and sorry, I
didn't mean to have to do a demonstration as well.
John: thank you.
Kiri: you're welcome.
John: I appreciate that.
three times and rubs her hands to discharge the
Kiri: okay next
question as we're both still mind-linked, Karra's
being very quiet at the moment.
Russ: all right, since
you're in combination here I'll direct this to
both you guys and get joint action on this.
Karra already knows the question but I'll fire it
Russ: all right, is
thinking with imagination the killing of hurting
of someone without actually doing it releasing
these karmic needs and it helps get them out of
Kiri: yes as long as you
don't act out on them and focus the energy on the
person because focusing the energy on the person
can be just as harmful as actually doing it.
Because what would happen if they suddenly had a
car crash like a day later?
Kiri: so you have to be
very careful on what you think, especially if
you're a talented individual.
John: oh God.
Kiri: naughty boy.
I just flashed on something.
Kiri: naughty boy.
John: Linda, remember when
she rolled her car off the cliff?
John: after she left your
place in Sedona and our interaction? I mean
Russ: I had nothing to do
John: oh yeah but I did and
I felt good about it too. I mean when you told me
about it, I mean I just got this rush okay?
Russ: well Kiri, maybe we
could direct a little conversation toward this
John: oh God, I
mean it's real.
us understand it a little bit more.
Kiri: yeah sure.
John: I don't know if I had
anything to do with it or not but God it felt
mind gives off energy correct?
Kiri: and by
sending out waves, you can affect somebody if you
can tune into their frequency. Sometimes this is
done subconsciously, it is a gift
or an ability that everybody has to be able to
pick up other people's thoughts but as a rule
they're filtered out. Now it's a matter of
breaking down those filters. Occasionally those
filters are broken down and energy
can be created in somebody's mind to put
themselves in the situation where they will put
themselves at harm.
then, Johnny here was described at one time in
some our channeling sessions with Omal back in
Sedona as a warrior.
I think that is very self-evident with the
Russ: with his ability to
break down these filters, could this mind power be
beneficial to him in some way?
Kiri: certainly, certainly.
Russ: how so?
knowing that somebody's after you, you can change
them with your coercive ability. By being able to
pick up on the negative waveforms or negative
thoughts coming from an individual, you can put
yourself in a situation that is much more
advantageous to you to help them.
Russ: that makes sense.
John: I got a channel years
ago and it was something that just flowed into me
and I'm going to paraphrase but the bottom line
basically what it was and this was directed to my
sister Pam after my sister Kathy died is that we
were warriors, healers and teachers.
that's a very good........
it's all one......
a warrior doesn't make you violent.
Kiri: no, in fact if you
talk to Mark, Mark is very much a warrior. I mean
he has the weaponry, he has the training, the
background and actually I think he probably enjoys
the prepping up and the actual combat but he
doesn't like inflicting pain. Most warriors don't.
In fact, most warriors absolutely hate to inflict
pain and suffering but if must comes to must, they
do. The person to talk to about being a warrior is
Mark. For example, what is Mark's biggest joy in
life, apart from making love?
Russ: flying the A-10? (A
Kiri: simple things.
Russ: flying World War I
aircraft against Taal?
(One of the pilots and an
occasional guest speaker. He flies simulator
battles with Mark on the base)
Kiri: that's in fun but his
most simple and most enjoyable things is the
garden, his tea, cooking, building aircraft,
messing around on the computer where it causes no
harm. Talking, reading, learning, these aren't
things of a warrior are they?
Kiri: but yet he's very
much a warrior.
that have experienced combat tend to be much
more......actually, a good person to talk to would
(A member of the Sirian
defense force and also an occasional guest
John: am I mistaken but,
I'm sorry I don't know if I interrupted here, I
just took a pee. Is part of being a warrior, isn't
the truth in that being nonviolent?
John: I mean a warrior
doesn't going around chopping up people and
Kiri: certainly, certainly.
John: a warrior is a
teacher and a communicator and a healer.
John: and doesn't he have to be in
tune with himself, with his environment, with his
spirituality? Aren't they all keys in being a
Kiri: yes they are, they're
very much so. I was just saying to Russ that
probably the most abhorrent thing to a warrior is
to see needless destruction, needless fighting or
fighting of any kind but when push comes to shove,
a warrior will put himself in between his loved
ones and harm. He is the shield of people that are
less aggressive, he
is the one that protects the innocent. If you take
the warriors of ancient Japan right?
their name was samurai. Do you know what samurai
John: protector I think but
I might be mistaken, I'm not sure,
Japanese is not good but I think that might be a
semi-accurate translation. I don't know.
Russ: no, I'm thinking of
kamikaze which is divine wind.
Kiri: no, samurai actually
means to serve.
John: okay, yeah I knew it
was something like that.
Kiri: uh-huh, so they serve
the people by protecting them from the violence and
warriors are like that, that they
do not go looking for combat. If
they had the choice they would avoid it but they
don't have the choice because they see it as their
duty to protect people from harm and
I'm really not versed to discuss this, I'm just
from the discussions I've have with Lyka and Mark
and various other people is something that I've
Russ: Karra's well versed
she wasn't a combat soldier, she was a medic.
(In the Sirian Defense
Force earlier in her life)
Russ: she's seen the....
Kiri: she's seen the
Kiri: and she
probably hates it just as much as Lyka does or
(Karra takes over again)
Karra: yes I do, I dislike
it intently. Seeing harm inflicted on other people
is something that is very painful.
Okay, now as we have healing is going to be one of
the important subjects that we will be covering.
Russ: it appears.
John: is the coercion and
the healing, are they related or are they two
separate topics? I mean I know they've
got to be interrelated,
in my mind they are unless I'm confused. Could you
Karra: they are related and
unfortunately they're not related,
are and they aren't. There are many different
types of coercion. There is healing coercion,
which is helping somebody to feel better to heal.
There is coercion where you manipulate somebody to
do your will and then there is the coercion that
you use to protect yourself.
John: okay, from me from a
personal, selfish standpoint, I'm concerned with
the first and the latter okay? I'm not concerned
with manipulating people to any negative or...
Karra: oh no, we won't
teach you that.
John: but I am very
interested in healing and also in protecting and
shielding myself. Is coercion a shielding
Karra: certainly, yes.
John: is that correct? Is
my terminology correct?
Karra: yes because Kiri, if
she wants, could get you to go away. If you pulled
a knife on her, she would just look at you and
you'd get the urge to be elsewhere,
drop the knife and be elsewhere.
John: yeah well I hope Kiri
realizes that I'd never pull a knife on her.
Karra: but she would just
give you the feeling that you had to be elsewhere.
Russ: since healing is
going to be the main topic here, how do you want
to proceed with this?
Karra: okay we will start
off with healing with crystals next week.
Russ: all right.
John: can we utilize these
Karra: yes we will be
utilizing the crystals. We will be demonstrating
using crystals and chakra energy. We will go back
to what we used to do with Carrie.
dimensional guest healed of cancer during a
meta-concert session organized on the base by
Russ: okay. Hands-on?
much so. We will use felines that need healing
Russ: so we'll
bring the felines down for.......
healings and then the week after for coercion.
Karra: of course, but
healing and coercion the week after next will be
done together, we
will do the team effort routine.
Russ: oh, Teene's going to
(One of the
base members who rarely channels)
Karra: no, team effort.
Russ: all right.
John: yeah he's real funny,
doesn't Russ have a unique sense of humor?
Karra: yes, it is very
Russ: thank you my love and
so are you.
Karra: I should hope so.
Russ: (laughs) of course.
Karra: and I wish Kiri
would keep her fingers under control.
John: hey you girls behave
Karra: no, no, no,
is not caressing me or anything,
is manipulating things down here and her fingers
are twitching as she's concentrating. See, she is
even lifting them up for me to explain the
Russ: picking up tea
Russ: must be fun on the
monitors to watch.
Karra: yes it is.
Kiri: all right okay, back to coercion.
Where are you off to?
(Kiri switches back at this point)
Russ: I'm going to get
some tea but since you're
getting back into coercion I'll
come back. Okay, fire
Kiri: okay as it
seems that I'll be working with big sis in two
weeks on it, I will work on
coercion for healing, something
I'm not very talented at. So we will be needing
the crystals I assume plus the felines and I think
that's about it.
Russ: what about the
have they been taken care of? That one up there
looks very weak, yeah it does.
John: yeah, it's not
getting enough sun, it's not in a good spot where
Kiri: yeah, oh well.
John: but the umbrella
plant's doing quite well. That's what I call that
Kiri: okay well, we have
how much time on the tape Russ, about 15 minutes?
Russ: at present we are
looking at 12 minutes 35 seconds.
John: well with that
oooohhh, it's 12 minutes and 29 seconds now.
12 minutes and 27 seconds.
(Tia comes back on)
Russ: hi Tia.
John: what's the matter
Tia: you wouldn't let me
Russ: oh sorry sweetheart.
John: oh we didn't mean to
do that, we want to talk to you now
though. Don't get pouty on us,
we need your help.
Tia: (Chuckles) if
you had upset me, I would of hissed at you. Okay,
it seems like we've covered all
the necessary matters and issues.
Johnny: I don't think so,
you think we have?
Tia: well you have
John: well do you think
we've covered all the necessary issues?
Tia: well all the ones that
we have time for so that we don't dive into things
and leave them hanging in the air when the
John: I'm curious about the
four topics we'll be covering
from now on and I understand the channeling
sessions will be more......
that the correct term or no?
Tia: I don't know, English
isn't my language, it's
one of my languages.
John: okay formal, you do
I'll have to wear a evening dress. (She's joking)
John: now I'm in a position
where I'm going to be working two jobs very soon
here and I might not be able to
attend the channeling sessions due to my
that going to interfere with....
Tia: not in the slightest,
not in the slightest.
John: and how would
we work around that?
Tia: we have tapes.
John: yes, I know the
concepts of tapes and I know how they work.
Tia: you have a pen and
paper for writing questions do you not?
I feel more comfortable with being spontaneous and
letting them roll off my mind.
Tia: and Russ has a voice
does he not?
John: uhh yeah he's got a
Russ: more or less.
Tia: (sneezes) what was
John: that was a sneeze,
Tia: Mark's body sneezed
huh? I think he's going to do it again in a few
seconds. (sneezes again)
Russ: Tia, since we're
going to be dealing with the astral travel section
in these four sections, I believe this will make
it in two weeks.....
do you want to do the tips sweetheart?
(Tia's tips on the
Tia: as soon as possible.
Russ: I would say so.
Tia: yeah, in fact we could
probably use part of the time to do that.
Tia: uh-hmm okay?
we've answered all the questions I believe, you
Russ: I'm out of questions.
Tia: you got any?
John: I think they've all
been answered, I have much to
all been answered for the time being. Okay we're
going to open it up and widen the field so
we can all sit down in the pyramid....in
the channeling couches and start discussing.
(Kiri jumps in)
John: hello, yeah?
Tia: so we can have fun and
chitchat and so on right now.
John: yeah not too much.
Tia: no we don't have much
left on the tape.
John: no and I mean I've
gotten some sense of urgency, is that directed at
that entity or me? (pointing at Russ)
Tia: I think it's directed
to him. His voice has changed hasn't it?
John: even though you know
we got to get serious and we do have a few moments
here for relaxation, I mean what the heck should
we do, what should we say, what the heck, should
we get some longer tapes or......?
Tia: no, no, no I think
(Karra takes over)
Karra: yes I quite agree.
Russ: how you girls doing?
Karra: oh we're doing fine.
Russ: got any butt left?
Karra: ummm, well I have
but Kiri on the other hand........
Russ: she's missing a
Karra: I should say a cheek
and a half. I don't know how she's going to go to
the bathroom, she doesn't
have anything to.....
Russ: well poor girl, well
hey, it felt like dad coming down on us too.
you think you had it bad, poor Kiri was in his
office that he had requisitioned for over two
hours this afternoon.
Russ: oooohhhh man, how
does he get reports about all the stuff?
Karra: I don't know.
Russ: I thought it was more
or less a base kind of thing, he only gets
Karra: I think the excerpts
that he heard was enough.
Russ: the guy's good.
John: I understand Omal was
Karra: oh yes and as was
Korton as well.
John: and why were Omal and
Korton reprimanded? I don't understand.
Karra: because Korton is in
communication and is supposed to be
responsible for making sure all communications off
the base are of the highest
Russ: yeah but he okay'd
that pyramid stuff didn't he?
Karra: umm yes and no,
didn't know what it degenerated into. Omal because
he is the base commander and let the rambunctious
of a band of nymphomaniacs get out of control.
Russ: oh but it produced
some memorable tapes.
Karra: certainly and there
will be memorable tapes again but
for the time being it is necessary to be
John: yes I understand
Karra: uh-huh, I believe we
have Christmas off.
Russ: oh good, so we can
get a little bit rambunctious at Christmas.
Russ: that's workable.
John: so what are you
saying, I can eat some candy and masturbate on
Christmas Day or what?
Russ: that is up to you.
Karra: if that is your
Russ: let's hope you'll do
it in private.
John: I'll make sure I find
a good hiding spot.
Russ: who's this talking? Teene?
Russ: oh you're blushing
John: yeah you are blushing
and you're blushing through Mark's body also.
Karra: oh really?
John: yes is Mark okay?
(Tia takes over again)
Tia: oh Mark's fine, a
little bit tired and his energy's down to I should
say about 40% but no biggie.
John: and who the hell are
John: (laughs) well I get
so confused, do you know
how many different people I've talked to from
Hades Base? This is very new to me.
Tia: you'll get to
understand us all. I'm the one that has the
squeaky voice, the little girl voice.
John: Mark has a squeaky
voice at best so I get you confused between you
know, between you and him.
Tia: oh really?
John: now I'm starting to
tell the difference between you and your sister.
Tia: no my sister doesn't
live up here, she's on third dimension.
John: okay see, I'm totally
Tia: but let
us address a little matter that....
John: oh yeah talk to Russ
Russ: I don't have any
(a 3rd dimension guest and
someone very special to Tia, Kiri and Karra)
Russ: oh yes Carrie, that's
right we have a celebration coming up.
I assume you guys are
going to be closely monitoring that, I know you
Tia: oh yes, uh-huh.
Russ: and especially if
Mark and I go.
Tia: of course.
Russ: Carrie is getting
married as you remember.
John: oh yeah, yeah I got
Tia: now I
wonder what sprang that on
Russ: well she said it
happened Saturday morning, you said you didn't
succeed until Saturday night?
(The girls were successful
trying to help Carrie astral project to the base)
Tia: no we succeeded on
Russ: oh on
Tia: on Tuesday night we
failed. Thursday night we succeeded and she was up
here for close to a minute but she faded out and
as for her not remembering, I'm sure she does
remember because it certainly revitalized her sex
drive with Mike didn't it?
Russ: yes but she might
assume it was something else.
Tia: such as?
Russ: well a partial,
fragment of a dream kind of thing?
Karra: fragment of a dream
Russ: well a minute in the
dream world is like an hour down here so hard to
Russ: anyway this is
good news. So I reminded
her this will be her second wedding then.
will be. Won't be as fun and as rambunctious.
Russ: no it won't be.
Karra: it will be a very
formal and Sirian affair. You try
blending two different religions for a ceremony,
it was very hard.
Russ: yeah well, if
everyone kept their clothes on.
Karra: well it would have
been better if everybody was naked and then
everybody would have been equal.
(A Sirian custom)
Russ: all right so....
Russ: it's all right
sweetheart. Any message I should give her the next
time I talk to her?
(Kiri takes over)
her that I hope she enjoyed the letter and better
explain it to her that even though
it was signed by Mark it was written by us.
Russ: oh the letter, that's
right, you guys wrote her a letter for her.
Kiri: yes we manipulated
and stealing through it and the comments and
everything that he made whist writing it and after
John: can I ask you about
my friend Sandy, do you know anything of her?
She's battling hard in Sedona.....
and she's been having a rough go of things. She's
planning on visiting here and I was just curious,
I mean she's very much in tune to a certain degree
and very much faraway in a certain degree.
(Karra takes over)
Karra: yes I do remember
listening to her in a channeling session and she
needs a lot of help.
John: yeah, yeah. Is there
anything I can do besides writing her? I'm
planning on writing her and getting a letter out
to her. Is there anything else I can do to
possibly help this woman that you know of?
Karra: I'll have to think
on that and ask me in the next channeling session
it is something that there are many possibilities
that I could come up with but I'd
have to think on what would be best for her.
John: do you have any
objection to her coming and visiting Mark and Russ
Karra: well you'd have to
ask the master of the house.
John: uhh yeah, I've
already discussed it with him but I'm curious
about you feel?
Karra: as mistress of the
house, I do not see it as a problem. My lacky over
there will have everything taken care of at the
Russ: of course. Hey Tia,
I've question for Tia.
Karra: okay I'll put Tia
Russ: thank you Karra, I
love you anyway.
(Tia takes over)
Russ: yo baby.
Russ: hey uhh, now I
discussed with Omal the fact that we didn't have a
set schedule when we started and why we
were getting taken to the carpet.
Tia: yes you did if you
Russ: we had a two year
Tia: and how long ago that
Russ: a couple months ago?
Tia: no, it was set up
closer to a year ago.
Russ: a year ago?
Russ: oh all right, but
well the question comes down to is with this new
edict from Omal......I mean Ashtar.....a
something that brings our time frame a little bit
more into our own home ballpark here that we have
to focus more closely on it because now we are set
Russ: eight-week schedule
right. Which breaks down into, yeah we will do
eight weeks but then we're getting another eight
weeks after that kind of thing.
Russ: I mean we're into a.........we're
set for what's coming up now.
Russ: okay, that's why it's
all work and no play, well a little play.
Tia: a little play yes.
Tia: no comments about
flipping people over and making them a lollipop.
Russ: yes unfortunately.
Another thing is, for a proper meta-concert
practice, we're going to need more people. We are
seriously understaffed. We need more than four at
Tia: well there is Skip.
Russ: Skip is once in a
while, it's nothing we can depend on for a regular
practice for eight straight weeks.
John: excuse me ladies and
gentlemen, can I inject?
John: would it be practical
for us to advertise quote unquote? Or I mean what
approach do you take, I mean how do we find other
people who are as interested and dedicated?
Tia: it is something that
has to be done with caution because you do get the
lunatic fringe out there.
Russ: so what she is saying is yeah
basically, you put an ad in the paper and we have to
be very selective and so it's best
to work it out through word-of-mouth or people that
we can pretty much depend on. All right back to my
original question, how do you want to work about
expanding this group out a little bit? Plan
(Inflation was on the rise at the time)
Tia: plan inflation, yes
that might work.
go that route.
Russ: I'll try and
get a serious meta-concert group going if we have to
do eight weeks of meta-concert practice. Me and
Johnny and you guys are enough to get a core group
going but we need to expand this project out a
Tia: and we need to get
Mark involved in the meta-concert more frequently.
He does do work up here on it with the Cubs and
that's certainly very different from dealing with
adults of a different nature.
Russ: well I'd like to get
a female energy into this somehow
Tia: oh certainly,
certainly. And then of course there is another
person that would be quite a potential but she's
totally occupied with raising her little infant.
Russ: oh, that's right.
Tia: hmmm, funny 12 minutes
and 27 seconds.
Russ: yeah the
tape broke or something. Oh well.
Tia: tick tock,
John: well it was pretty
heavy with Ashtar right in the beginning there. I
mean God, like you and I looking at each other
going, "what the heck was going on here?" I mean
intense, he was not happy.
Tia: you want to see him
John: no I don't want to
see him unhappy, I've seen him as
unhappy as I want to see him okay?
I don't want to see him unhappy, you
know what I mean?
Tia: no, you don't.
Russ: well he's just being
serious because of the seriousness of what's we're
looking for in the future John. He's just merely
reflecting what we need to reflect to prepare
ourselves for what we have to deal with later.
John: so what did you think
about my questions about the Western hemisphere?
Russ: oh yeah.
John: were you relating to
that at all?
Russ: oh sure, uh-huh
Indians and the paramilitary groups, quite
John: yeah, yeah uh-huh.
Tia: uh-huh, I
think so too.
Russ: you know, another
thing I might start working a little bit on is
John: oh God, thank you
Russ, can I
John: okay I've been
debating, Russ has given me two past life
regressions, these are
many years ago..........
Tia: yes certainly.
John: they were very, very
influential on my life. And we
got to a point where we were dabbling too much
with the tarot and it kind of got out of control but
everything that I had, happened in four or five
readings that happened over a couple weeks,
happened over the next couple years.
I don't want to abuse the information but I'm
curious, do you think it'd be beneficial for me to
get another past life regression?
Tia: certainly, I don't see
any harm in it. It may be necessary to wash out,
I've been listening to Russ too much, wash out
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