Archivist Notes: This session took place nearly two years from the last time we had talked to Carrie who was now pregnant with her daughter. We had done a question and answer session in on on-line forum where the girls had answered questions sent in from the participants. The session opened up with Kiri discussing Skip's future guide who hadn't passed on yet. We also find out through Omal that Ashtar Command follows the prime directive much as they do on Star Trek.

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SIDE ONE


(Kiri comes on)

Kiri:....positive.....he's gone out of remission, way out of remission. He's probably....our estimates of six months to a year.....our estimates of six months to a year looks like it could be three months to six months. The cancer has progressed further and faster than we expected which makes me think that it was a very, very heavy dose of radiation, very heavy dose. Apparently he's been fighting this for about three years. Okay, now in this current life that he is living he does not know Skip but in past lives he has. All right, in his deep states where he has been put into deep levels of sleep, that's when we can communicate with him so it's three to six months. Skip's mother is going to stay during the interim period when he arrives to start which will be six months...no, it will be three to six months after he dies. So there will be a period of three months where Skip will have two guides, both his mother and this guy. They will work hopefully together and grandmother has been communicating with both of them and she says that they will work together as a team. Grandmother also said that.....this is because she hasn't been very well just recently but she's getting better......but she also said that if she dies, she's going to become Skip's guide also. But she's getting better, she just had a mild case of stomach upset.

Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?

Kiri: she's probably got maybe a month or two. She's getting worse but there again when you're her age, 800 plus years is pretty, pretty good going if you ask me. I mean she's what, 890?

Russ: well if it works out to ours, like 80 years you're doing great.

Kiri: uh-huh but she's what is it I think 870, 880 I really don't know, she doesn't really know either. I mean she's from what grandmother has told me, she spends a lot of time with her head going.....nodding so she's starting to get the shakes of later life. I mean she's not losing her faculties or anything, she's just got the shakes which is normally a sign that she's getting there. She spends a lot of time in deep trances. Okay, questions?

Russ: working on the engineering front.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: Tia was giving me some good stuff about the ships yesterday.

(during the online channeling session)

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

Russ: particularly about how they hide from view.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but I didn't really....she was kind of working quick and I didn't really get a full idea of what she was saying about how it is that they can shield...how did she put it? Cloak themselves, not like a Star Trek cloak she said, but a different way. She didn't explain the different way or nothing, she just said that they can cloak themselves.

Kiri: okay how it works is that when the ship is using the gravitational field that they use right? What in actual fact it does is......it doesn't bend the gravity, it bends the energy field. For example, when you look at something vibrating right? It gets fuzzy doesn't it?

Russ: right.

Kiri: what happens is, the air around it gets vibrated right? And it gets fuzzy and the faster the vibration right? The fuzzier it gets. Which makes it look like a cloud. But if you take that the next step and accelerate the vibration on a bigger scale instead of just an area of maybe 30 feet around the vessel and expand it to 60 feet around the vessel right? You can increase the vibrational frequency closer to the vessel. By increasing the vibrational frequency closer to the vessel right? You vibrate the air and the molecules and all the the dust particles and everything and that creates a haze right? It's not a cloud, it's a haze. By decreasing the distance of the vibrational field, out to 60 feet means that you have more molecules to vibrate right? And you go on a scale where at the outside, the molecules are hardly vibrating.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: they vibrate very slowly and then you work your way closer to where they're vibrating at a higher frequency. This makes it invisible.

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: didn't you just throw that one out?

(a cat comes in)

Russ: yeah.

John: yeah it's just going to run around and going right back in through the garage.

Kiri: want to take care of the garage?

Russ: yup I got it.

Kiri: okay so, by increasing the vibrational frequency, you therefore make the ship appear to be invisible. It's not, it just appears to be.

Russ: right.

Kiri: do you have a question, you look like you're deep........?

John: yeah there was one time where I swore I saw a ship but I mean it took a long time of focusing on the same area and but I never got a real clear view of it but I'm just wondering if there's anything that our third dimensional mind can do to compensate for these vibrations if we're looking for them?

Kiri: yes and no, you can look for fields or areas of instability.

John: right.

Kiri: where things look a little bit fuzzy. A patch of sky that is a bit hazy.

John: right okay.

Kiri: that is normally a key sign that you look up at a clear sky and there is a fuzzy patch.

Russ: well Bell said that he could meditate and see the ships through the shields.

(someone from a chat group we were in)

Kiri: he's doing that because he is...

Russ: raising his vibrations?

Kiri: yeah, he is sensing the vibrations of where they are. He's not actually seeing the physical ships, he's seeing the vibrational field that they're generating.

Russ: so you can do that?

Kiri: yeah. From what I read, Tia was close to mark on most of it, she had been prepped and was going from memory. There are third dimensional ships only that do work on the same principle of using the vibrational frequency. Now I can't tell you what the vibrational frequency is....

Russ: right.

Kiri: for obvious reasons......ummm, come here...(talking to the cat)...he's been overruled. Is your food finished there Johnny?

John: it will be if.......

Kiri: if he gets hold of it.

John: if he gets hold of it.

Kiri: okay so the vibrational frequency is the key. Find out with that frequency is and you too can create an invisible object.

Russ: hmm okay, so when it's going across a cloud or going across the sky, you don't see like this haze going "whoosh" like that do you?

Kiri: sometimes it's too fast.

Russ: oh I see.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: now what about two weeks ago, the particular object that came back into the atmosphere, the meteor quote unquote.

Kiri: you might not want him up there. (speaking at John)

Russ: that came into the atmosphere and then popped back out again and then came back in again. Sounds a little too trippy for me. I was watching videos of it and it looks like lots of like almost a firework going off only straight down where like it broke up into a lot of little pieces.

Kiri: I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that, I am not that involved with Tia........with that part of the base that you're suggesting. Tia is more involved with that than I am.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: isn't that cute?

Russ: that is cute, I wish had a video now.

Kiri: okay more questions.

Russ: yeah, any idea yet why the chat went down?

Kiri: I think he's using an Amiga.

Russ: well that would explain it, yes.

Kiri: but they are talking about moving it to a site further away. I get the feeling that.....

Russ: site in the USA?

Kiri: yeah. Carrie's doing fine.

Russ: good.

Kiri: yeah the thing is humor, she needs a lot of laughter.

Russ: I was trying to do my part.

Kiri: okay now, Carrie's present from us. We're going to get Mark to photocopy that picture, send that to her. Is there any way you can get the background removed?

Russ: sure.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: scan it into a Printshop, PhotoPaint shop and you just edit the picture anyway you want.

Kiri: okay, could you reproduce that on your computer perfectly like that?

Russ: if I had a scanner yeah.

Kiri: okay so if somebody was to send it to you right?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: you could then clean it up and send it to her.

Russ: sure, if it's in GIF format, I'd have no problem with it...or JPEG sorry.

Kiri: JPEG. Okay....we can....your friend Jack is coming back, he has the ability to scan right?

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: okay what you do is scan it in and then filter out everything apart from the background, put it on a white background. Can you change the hair coloring?

Russ: oh yeah, I can do anything you want.

Kiri: okay, do the hair coloring in my natural coloring right?

Russ: which is strawberry blonde?

Kiri: yes.

Kiri: yes, that is my natural coloring.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: it's not as red as Tia's, it's more of a blonde, more blonde than strawberry blonde.

Russ: I know, especially when the sunlight hits it just right.

Kiri: that is my natural coloring. Just the fact that I'm totally redheaded at the moment is besides the point.

Russ: I know.

Kiri: huh-hmm, okay so......alright I'm going to to put the next person on.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: as I've taken up way too much time.

Russ: well not really, because we just started the tape.

Kiri: oh.

Russ: I'll see you here in a little while.

Kiri: okay.

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(Tia is now the speaker)


Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hi. Okay, yes, what?

Russ: oh, good session last night darling.

Tia: oh thank you, I worked hard on that.

Russ: I thought you did a very good job actually.

Kiri: it was easy but hard.

Russ: well of course.

Tia: what was with Boris Diffle?

Russ: Boisedied.

Tia: Boisedied?

Russ: Boisedied.

Tia: what does that mean?

Russ: I don't know.

Tia: oh.

Russ: actually, you could say it is Boistifeed.

Tia: okay.

Russ: and he's basically a skeptic.

Tia: well skeptic is good.

Russ: I agree, he wanted to know.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: without actually trying to think of the answer but have the answer given to him.

Tia: oh he's one of those people.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: I can think of....

Russ: he wants it gift wrapped.

Tia: yeah, he doesn't have to go through the thought process. I thought where I mentioned learning was a good enough hint for him to understand.

Russ: well that's a turnoff for him.

Tia: oh, he's definitely one of those people that does not want to learn.

Russ: right.

Tia: whereas "OP", does want to learn and wants not to be led step-by-step but but given the pointers.

Russ: right, as does Bell.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: he did a lot of work I guess....what was that with Ashtar Command thing you asked him?

Tia: Bell is a person that......that's not Bell's real name obviously, it's her handle but it's part of her Hades Base name, that they had on Hades Base.

Russ: when?

Tia: umm before they died.

Russ: a recent.....or a past life?

Tia: yes.

Russ: one prior to this?

Tia: probably a little further back than that actually, I'm not too sure.

Russ: and how were they recognized?

Tia: by their wording.

Russ: they use particular wording?

Tia: yeah, their construction of sentences and things. We run things through the computer and it recognizes patterns and stuff. For example, when Mark writes or you write, there is a particular pattern which is recognizable from past lives.

Russ: Maxxus and Naxxus?

(Ed. note: a past life in Atlantis when Mark and I were brothers coming from Sirius)

Tia: uh-huh. And we can trace it all the way back if we have copies of writing...that's why....

Russ: to Sirius?

Tia: yeah. That's why we access through the computer. The computer analyzes this information, looks for a specific pattern right? If there is a pattern that is tagged, it will then be sent to Sirius where it is processed and analyzed deeper.

Russ: what about that question from Boisedied about, "what do you need computers for then?" Now you've got millions of bytes of information going through every second.....

Tia: yes but that was self-explanatory, I did not even answer that.

Russ: I answered it.

Tia: yes but I did not, I saw it and went, "phew", that does not need an answer. I think he is one of those people that thinks he is smart but is not.

Russ: he thinks he's got all the answers.

Tia: yeah, a person that thinks that "Star Trek" is the end-all and be-all of everything....I mean that is so far off, it's ridiculous.

Russ: well not all the way off.

Tia: no, the engine propulsion system apparently is possible but the rest of it, some of theories that they come up with are so wacky and far off it's totally implausible. And he seems to take that as the theories that they discuss are plausible, half the time they're not. Matter transference for example, that is very, very dangerous. It does work, but not as reliable as they show on "Star Trek". The fear that the older doctor (McCoy) has of matter transference beams is a common fear for those races that do use matter transference and it's not just a few individuals, it's a lot of them. For example, ripping somebody down and reassembling them, it only works if you have one person.

Russ: oh I'm sure there's lots of horror stories of people it didn't work on.

Tia: oh yeah.

Russ: that would scare the bejesus out of me to go through one of those things.

Tia: well there is a song that I picked up from a third dimensional monitoring that one day four people went out to a party, and this song is always sung by a man right? He went out with his girlfriend, his best friend and his best friend's girlfriend. And they all went through a matter transference beam and now he's pregnant.

Russ: huh.

Tia: I actually couldn't add up, it was a race that has evolved much further than they were when I picked it up. When I picked it up it was something that was broadcast like on your radio waves.

Russ: huh, poor guy.

Tia: it's a song.

Russ: yeah.

John: yeah it's a "Cars"...I think it is a "Cars" song if I'm not mistaken.

Russ: no it's a different race, not this planet.

John: oh a different race.

Russ: a different planet.

Tia: well if my memory is right, the gist is that his body got ripped down to be projected through a matter transference beam with his girlfriend right next to him. They went through it and she has a penis and he has a womb.

Russ: I don't think the "Cars" ever wrote anything like that.

John: no, no, I was thinking of something else.

Tia: and what was it? His best friend has breasts, a penis and very feminine legs and his girlfriend has to shave her legs everyday.......

Russ: scary thought.

Tia: and is flat-chested but it's a song.

Russ: yeah of course, it's not fact.

Tia: no.

Russ: a joke.

Tia: I think it was written as a anti-matter transference song.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay.

Russ: all right.

Tia: no more? Okay.

Russ: not yet, I have something I've saved for Omal instead.

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(Omal starts to channel)


Omal: greetings and felicitations, you rang?

Russ: greetings Omal, we did in fact.

Omal: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: this is a tale of two....what were those things up there? Suburbans, a tale of two suburbans.

(A pair of matching vehicles that parked outside during the chat the night before.)

Omal: yes?

Russ: now are we being a little bit overcautious here?

Omal: I believe so.

Russ: I think they're just vacationing folks that come up on a weekend.

Omal: yes, it is suspicious as was stated at the time.

Russ: right.

Omal: but, the reaction time is a little bit too quick. However, like the power outage, it is a good test is it not?

Russ: it is. Well what interested me was the fact that we hadn't been really looking or paying attention in that direction until just all of a sudden it's like, "well wait a minute, maybe it might be a good idea to check." And then that appears.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so we don't know, we haven't been following if they've been there a lot, if they have been there just the first time or what. It's something we ought.....a lesson for us to learn that we should be more attentive to those situations around us.

Omal: I believe Mark often talks about situation awareness?

Russ: absolutely...S.A..

Omal: yes. It is something that all of you should do.

Russ: sure. And it's something that in the future could be very important, maybe not right now but it's good practice.

Omal: yes. I think Tia put it very well in, "believe nothing if you cannot corroborate it".

Russ: right.

Omal: it is better to burn your hand instead of your body.

Russ: uh-huh. Well nothing we've been doing even with the Jason Society and MJ12 going on the net, is enough to get us noticed.

(web research we had been doing at the time)

Omal: you are small fry for them at this time.

Russ: at this time.

Omal: although the small fry if it was caught would turn out to be a mighty big fish.

Russ: this is true.

Omal: but behaving in a small way makes them overlook you.

Russ: well we're not going to put any big neon signs out there anyway saying, "look, here we are".

Omal: no. If you do, I suggest doing it in red and saying, "this is the place".

Russ: I'll just paint a big target on the roof.

Omal: very droll, in neon?

Russ: in neon, yes.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right. Johnny, you got anything?

John: not right offhand. You got anything else you want to ask?

Russ: uh-huh.

John: go ahead.

Russ: I have a few things. Okay, now last night we were working with a few different people. Some were very open towards what's being said and some weren't. Now for example, the one person I'm working with on the net called Iris in dealing with the "Zeta Talk"............

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: has now got a bit of a different point of view on "Zeta Talk" compared to Ashtar Command.

Omal: okay what is necessary to do is to explain the difference between us as a base, a research base and the blue guys.

(the base's pilots)

Russ: so that's what Tia meant by the problem with the Grays, is not with Ashtar Command, it's with the blue guys.

Omal: correct. It is a long-running rivalry, the fact that our pilots see themselves as protectors. Wherever they go, they are to protect the race that they protect. For example your race against anybody that tries to abduct them or any race that they perceive as a threat. For example, they do not worry about the Pelladians, they are not a threat.

Russ: right.

Omal: so when our pilots perceive a threat, they analyze and watch and wait for evidence. You cannot let some ships go because there are some good and some bad.

Russ: well the argument we're currently in......or I shouldn't say argument, debate that we're currently in, is whether there are good Grays and bad Grays or all bad Grays? Now of course you know my point in this.

Omal: yes and I do understand where you are coming from.

Russ: correct but I've kind of run out of arguments at this point and I'm kind of having to just say, "well we'll work on this as we go." Ashtar Command......in fact Ashtar himself has said there are no good Grays.

Omal: Ashtar did not say that.

Russ: oh right, you said that.

Omal: correct. I am also tinted by the same view that you have.

Russ: correct so......

Omal: she is a very lovable young lady. If I was not so old and of such a different race, my heart would cry for her. (Sarah)

Russ: right.

Omal: the fact that I have seen it before and will probably see it again hardens my heart. I am sad that I do not have that much pity. I have understanding and compassion but the pity is no longer there, it has been taken out of me. That is why I am so hard on the Grays due to the fact that they have taken my pity away.

Russ: right. But is it possible we're both looking at this in a very biased opinion or do we have facts that we can back it up with?

Omal: I would not say looking at it possibly from a biased point of view, we are biased.

Russ: I agree.

Omal: but we also have the facts.

Russ: okay and that's why I need to look closer into this.

Omal: okay, cattle mutilations.

Russ: right, is that a bad thing or a necessary thing?

Omal: ummm, define necessary.

Russ: for their survival.

Omal: no, there are other ways of getting that kind of information.

Russ: okay.

Omal: you do not have to dissect and remove sexual organs from cattle.

Russ: glands, yeah that's what we've heard though so that's why I have to look at it from that point of view. All right, human abductions, are they necessary or just experiments that could be done by other......?

Omal: experiments.....other means and more effective means.

Russ: for example, if you had a hologram of a person, could you do the same experiments without having to use a real person?

Omal: yes, very much so. Even your technology can do that.

Russ: why are they so advanced yet so far behind then?

Omal: because they have reached the point now where they have said "okay we have done enough with the computer models, let's see how it actually reacts to an environment or the environmental factors."

Russ: so that means they are maintaining surveillance of their past experiments.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so you can monitor their past experiments by where their surveillance is?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: where there is a high concentration of abductions and vessels, then they are monitoring or coming back to an experiment that is currently running to check on it.

Russ: so what happens if Hades Base ships suddenly decided to break up the party?

Omal: we do not mind them monitoring experiments that are running, we do mind when they start new ones.

Russ: well I have a problem with that. If Hades Base will not stop the monitoring, then doesn't that show that they've got a go-ahead to go on with these things?

Omal: it falls into our non-interference unfortunately.

Russ: ohhh, I have troubles there I'm afraid.

Omal: yes, it is a very, very fine line between interfering and not interfering. Experiments that they have started running, we cannot interfere in those lives unless they abduct them.

Russ: right.

Omal: they can monitor, watch and learn that way but as soon as they abduct, then they are interfering and we have to interfere to stop them from interfering. Where they attempt to start new genetic programs running, again they are interfering because to start those, they have to abduct the individuals. Once they touch those individuals they have interfered and that must be stopped.

Russ: I suppose what I have a problem with is they interfered in the first place to start the experiment that they're monitoring so therefore the harm's already been done....

Omal: correct.

Russ: therefore you should be able to walk right in and....

Omal: interfere even more and make the situation possibly worse.

Russ: yeah, you're right.

Omal: as much as I personally would like to say "okay, let's get them off the planet, let's get these genetic programs that are running stopped, create a situation where it is washed out of the system and get things back to normal. I would love to do that but I cannot because that is interfering.

Russ: true.

Omal: where we come in is to stop them from interfering further. Unfortunately we are a limited number of personnel and we cannot be everywhere.

Russ: now they have a...we were talking about the base at Four Corners.

Omal: correct.

Russ: now why do they need ships to bother abducting, why can't they just take them over to the base and do all their experiments right there on the base and monitor them right on the base?

Omal: because due to the fact that a high desert area has different properties then a low desert area and a low desert area has different properties from a high alpine area and so on.

Russ: oh I see.

Omal: the more environmental factors that you throw in, the better the results are of an experiment.

Russ: do we know what the end result is that they're working for?

Omal: we have our suspicions.

Russ: okay, and could we say then that this is for the good of the human race?

Omal: that is undeterminable at this time.

Russ: okay. There is nothing we as humans can do to stop this?

Omal: no, not really. As much as one would like to think otherwise.

Russ: well yeah we would like to think otherwise. Okay, where do we go from here?

Omal: just watch and wait and try to intervene when they try to start or abduct new individuals or old individuals.

Russ: wait a minute, we can interfere. We're third dimensional beings, we have nothing that stops us from interfering right?

Omal: next question please. I am deliberately not answering that question because that is your own moral choice.

Russ: oh I know, I know, I know, you can't advise us one way or another.

Omal: correct, as much as I would love to, I cannot. By me saying what you should or should not do is interference.

Russ: it is a conundrum here.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay understandable, I will leave that as just wishful thinking anyway. All right on the subject of shielding.

Omal: yes.

Russ: we want to work with John's shield over here to practice getting them up. Now he wasn't here for the original shielding sessions in which we learned how to do proper shielding and the different grades.

Omal: okay we can set that up for next week.

Russ: okay good.

Omal: now would not be a good time.

Russ: well no but I would like to set this up for a time in the future.

Omal: okay.

Russ:: where we could do a dissertation or something that he could learn from that.

Omal: correct and we will examine your shields hah, hah, hah, hah.

Russ: I look forward to it.

Omal: we will have somebody of talent to examine them.

Russ: you mean like last week?

Omal: possibly.

Russ: okay. Now then, on the Internet page, we have some stuff from last week that I wanted to check real quick on what we can and cannot put up on the web.

Omal: okay, let us hear this.

Russ: okay, first off all of Ashtar's section, I can put that word-for-word on or should I edit?

Omal: let you and your as he put it "healer friend" edit.

Russ: healer friend, I thought that was a little bit light but...

Omal: and formal.

Russ: and we'll work on it.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, on your comments, go ahead and put everything on except for...

Omal: pretty much so yes.

Russ: except for that point that dealt with the web itself.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. And then I'm going to go ahead and start working on "Zeta Talk" and start pulling up articles related to Ashtar Command and other things.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now how do you want to do the rebuttals for each of these?

Omal: we would like to read each one and rebut them and work with you on the rebuttal.

Russ: okay so essentially what I'll do is I'll have like a sheet of paper on all these "Zeta Talk's" that I've got right here, we'll work on them as we go.

Omal: correct.

Russ: all right so, Johnny do you got anything before we get into anything more?

John: yeah I was just wondering if you knew how many Grays were on our planet right now?

Omal: yes we do but we cannot disclose that.

John: you can't, you can't tell me that.

Omal: correct. Well I could but then I would have to terminally hurt you.

John: well yeah, we're going to skip that.

Omal: okay, no smile? Johnny? No smile for that comment? Oh well not to worry. I sometimes wonder why I try your humor.

Russ: because it works.

Omal: point taken.

Russ: now then, we'll take the first one here.

Omal: okay, we will take just two this time.

Russ: just two? All right. "Zeta Talk", Atlantis. "The legends of Atlantis are not based on actual facts but a combination of truths which have been combined, give birth to the legend of Atlantis. The stories about Atlantis which have never been found.....or which has never been found are supported by myths of great cities destroyed suddenly by rising water. Well that of course happens extensively all over the world every time there is a pole shift as we have explained. There were lands were sunk under the sea in the Atlantic but they were no more developed than Maouri lands at the time of the last cataclysms, stories of Atlantis notwithstanding. The earth was visited by hominoid extraterrestrials in its past and these hominoid's had access to technology that amazed the primitive humans who stood witness. Many cities in and around the European continent went under the waves during the last few pole shifts. This is because the Atlantic, as a widening ocean, tends to drag down the shorelines and outlying islands during each shift. The floor of the Atlantic drops pulling its perimeter with it. Beyond what has been told about the visitors from the 12th planet, there is not to say about the rumors about Atlantis."

Omal: okay, let us first of all look at this fact that they talk about the Atlantic Ocean widening and then they talk about the coast sinking and there is a contradiction. How can it widen and sink at the same time?

Russ: maybe because the waves wash over the coast as it widens?

Omal: no. If you know anything about plate tectonics.......

Russ: a little bit.

Omal: okay, down the center of the Atlantic is a trench correct?

Russ: correct.

Omal: I'm not familiar with the name.

Russ: the Marianas trench. (Mid-Atlantic Ridge)

Omal: okay. Now what is happening on the Marianas trench, let me get the hands up to demonstrate is where the fingers join is the trench right?

Russ: right.

Omal: okay. What happens is you get a new piece of crust coming up and it widens. Now, does it slip under as is possibly suggested in one spot or does it sink back under like this, one finger sliding under another?

Russ: well it said it slips under.

Omal: yes and no. One side it does, on the American side it does. But if you look down through you will notice that there is a ridge of mountains close to the coast of Africa.

Russ: true.

Omal: okay, now when you have one plate pushing against another, it crumbles pushing up mountains.

Russ: right.

Omal: the material from the African side is not subducting, it is pushing up and joining to make a mountain range. Now if you get South America and put it next to the African continent, they match pretty closely.

Russ: yeah, almost exactly.

Omal: now if supposedly there was subduction going on, would not one or the other have changed beyond recognition and matching?

Russ: no, they would be basically like as you say, a widening between the two continents.

Omal: exactly, so how can there be anything sinking underneath?

Russ: okay yeah, when you put it like that I certainly see what you're talking about.

Omal: so their idea of the coastline sinking is baloney as you would say.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay let us look at the 12th planet.

Russ: right.

Omal: well with their mathematics and the way they describe things with such bad facts as been proven by our plate tectonic explanation, there could be a 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th planet. Even a 17th or 18th planet. We might as well go on for an infinite period of time discussing how many possible planets there are. In fact you could say that there are numerous planets that are seen but when does a planet become a planet or a moon or an asteroid?

Russ: when it's drawn into the gravitational field of a large solar body.

Omal: well what about the asteroid belt? You might as well call each one of those a planet, some of them are quite large.

Russ: right.

Omal: are they planets or are they just asteroids?

Russ: just asteroids.

Omal: there are many, many asteroids scattered throughout your solar system. Hundreds, thousands, millions of them ranging in size from this to hundreds of miles in size. When do they become planets? When somebody says they are a planet.......

Russ: yeah.

Omal: and that is the only difference. They talk about a 10th planet, let me take the biggest asteroid and call it Omal world. The largest asteroid has now become a planet because I said so, that is all that they're doing is taking an asteroid and glorifying it.

Russ: huh, okay.

Omal: or let us change that for the tape and say that I said Russ world.

Russ: I don't know, I like Omal world, little rides going around with little Omals.

Omal: thank you. Okay, let us look at the next point, Atlantis itself. They answer their own statement there. They talk about aliens coming to visit and the early humanoids.

Russ: right.

Omal: now any scientific party would set up a station. Have you not done this on Antarctica? It does not matter where the location is, a scientific team will set up a station. At first only temporary but on later research and development, they may bring more equipment for a longer stay and a longer stay still. With the life expectancy of these visitors, they might have set up a permanent town. Other people will come and join to help them, support systems, colonists in fact. Now humanoid in appearance individuals that are close enough to the humanoids on the planet with necessary manipulation of genes could create a place called Atlantis. In fact not could, did. So therefore the theory that scientists visiting and coming on a day trip is a little bit hard to believe. Scientists as a rule will spend a time at a location. You cannot formulate a concise opinion by staying for a day, a week, a year or even five years. When dealing with a civilization as they put it, primitive civilization, then you have to spend time to understand the interplay of the world. How the individuals react to the environment in different climates. Did not the young lady that was involved with the guerrillas spend 20 years of her life before she was murdered with guerrillas trying to understand them? (Dian Fossey)

Russ: oh yeah.

Omal: and still the information she gathered was just the tip of the iceberg, just on one group. Would it not be better to set up lots of different groups analyzing and viewing at different places? If you read the story of Gilgamesh, they talk about carpets of fire in the sky. Is that not a reference to UFOs?

Russ: early UFO's sure.

Omal: the technology that is described, a nuclear war, would a primitive society have that kind of equipment? No, definitely not. So again by addressing this idea they have that Atlantis did not exist, this disproves their theory. Atlantis did exist and still does.

Russ: now the one last statement they......

Omal: hold on.

Russ: oh.

Omal: the reason why it still exists is because it is in the minds of the populace, the race memory. Your comment please.

Russ: well they said at the very end of this last part about Atlantis. It said, "these visitors did not disappear because they went under the waves, they disappeared because they were put into quarantine."

Omal: well that in itself suggests that the civilization that they call primitive was a little bit more advanced than they just said. Contradiction right there.

Russ: agreed.


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO

(Omal begins to speak)

Russ: okay, last one for this evening will be remote viewing.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay. "Lest anyone be confused, what is termed remote viewing is simply telepathy, a natural and fairly common occurrence among mankind and animals who call the earth their home. Telepathy is intrinsic to life but only about 10% of the human population has enough native capacity to take note of it. Those with native capacity soon learn they can anticipate phone calls from friends, anticipate and guard against personal attacks and seem to intuitively understand what their loved ones need and want. The government has never failed to use telepathy to accomplish whatever they might consider their ends but after observing the seamless way aliens could work together without a word spoken, the issue got hot. As MJ12 was in those days heavily dominated by the CIA, they took the topic and affected their goals, or the goals of the operation with their own twist. Remote viewing under the CIA's auspices was not done to simply garner intelligence on legitimate government security concerns. It was used to invade privacy, secure blackmail material, assist break-ins and thefts, amuse agents who wanted to snoop for personal reasons and keep tabs on rival government agencies. When the operation failed to curtail enemy actions due to complete lack of awareness of enemy plans and failure to predict, it ostentatiously was shut down. As with all bureaucracy enclaves, it sought to perpetuate itself by reinventing its goals. Remote viewing would become a handy disinformation tool, impressing the public with what might seem to be an ability to read minds and therefore spread disinformation as valid facts garnered through telepathy. To ensure a gullible public will believe, the remote viewing track record is supported by information supplied by the CIA."

Omal: okay, there are too many contradictions in that to list, too many. Let us pick four key topics.

Russ: okay.

Omal: telepathy, telepathy is the exchange of information from one mind to another. Actually on this point they are close to the mark, there are a number of people on your planet that do exchange information telepathically. They are also able to hear and receive and pick up the mind thoughts of other people. This is true and correct. Okay, let us look on remote viewing, they describe it as telepathy but viewing suggests using vision. Vision suggests seeing, not reading people's minds. Reading people's minds falls under the first category of telepathy. Viewing is something totally different. It is something that you do not do with your ears but with your eyes. In this case you are using your mind's eyes or your third eye to be able to view and see what is going on. How can this, something that you do with your eye or your mind's eye, be something that you do with your mind's ears? This is very confusing and hard to understand unless you look at it closer. By making a statement that remote viewing is telepathy, is designed to confuse, to smear and fudge the issues so that it looks silly and hard to believe and therefore is easily as they put it discarded. Remote viewing is fact, a better way to describe it is astral traveling or far sighting. As that suggests, you see something from afar, you view it from afar, you travel in your astral form. All things that you do without using your mind's ears. Governmental agencies using these abilities, sadly this does happen. It happens in such a way that it can be almost kind of comical to watch. One group snooping on the other group assuming the other group does not have this ability and in actual fact it does. It is very funny for the outside observer to watch, the silly precautions they take in an almost paranoia fit to snoop on the other party. The parties involved, the CIA, FBI and various other rogue agencies, go through a regular song and dance snooping at each other. What is even more funny to watch is the KGB and other Soviet or former Soviet organizations that go through the same routine as well as trying to snoop on their counterparts in the US and other countries that also run similar projects. This is quite hilarious to watch from the outside and very entertaining. Personally I prefer it more than watching some of your entertainment devices on your communication system. Lastly, disinformation given out in a confusing form. My previous statement is designed to emphasize the silliness of the wording in this situation. I worded it in such a way that it is difficult to understand as an example of how you can say very little by saying quite a lot. To recover position three, basically what is happening is that you have a number of organizations that are aware that each organization has the ability. They work together from time to time as a team but like to keep tabs on each other by employing individuals that can astral travel and individuals that can pick up on other people's minds and transmit that information to a relay individual. Thank you.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: did you enjoy that little silly commentary in part three?

Russ: that was very enjoyable.

John: interesting.

Russ: it will read good on the webpage I can tell.

Omal: and you put it in your, I described it, you do not put in the last bit underneath that bit. That comes later because it is designed to make it, people will go, "huh?" And then when they read that, they will understand what I'm saying.

Russ: yeah it will go in word-for-word.

Omal: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: okay Johnny, last question.

John: nothing at this point.

Omal: okay thank you. Live long, prosper and, I'll be back.

John: see you around dude.

Russ: that would be fun to watch from the outside.

John: yeah and that was.......

---

(Kiri comes back on)


Kiri: he did that very well.

John: quite interesting the way he analyzed how that went down.

Russ: I look forward to our weekly little sessions like that.

Kiri: yeah. I mean he did it in all seriousness with a lot of humor involved.

Russ: straight from the base commander.

Kiri: uh-huh, I suppose you want me to put on your wife mind?

Russ: my twin soul?

Kiri: twin soul, bond mate, wife.

Russ: my heart of hearts, my better half.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: sure.

---

(Karra now takes over)


Karra: so I'm now an editor huh?

Russ: I don't know about the "my healer friend". It's a little bit unspecific.

Karra: I think Ashtar at the time was quite busy.

Russ: oh yeah, that's true.

Karra: he just wanted to whip through it as quickly as possible and use whatever came to mind.

Russ: it's like, my healer friend, I'm trying to think of who are my healer friends up there, ummm.

Karra: you're married to one thank you. Okay, let us get down to seriousness.

Russ: okay, Carrie.

Karra: so Carrie, yes what would you like to know about her?

Russ: all I got was the part a little bit about she's smoking a bit or........?

Karra: yes but she's cutting back.

Russ: she is? Oh good.

Karra: uh-huh. We explained to her about cravings, some of the bizarre cravings that she would go through. The fact that she wants to make love but has no urge.

Russ: right.

Karra: we told her that would come back, we explained to her every bit in detail all the things that she is going to go through. She is doing fine, she is a classic, pregnant young lady.

Russ: good.

Karra: there is nothing exceptional about her and nothing negative going on. The baby is developing fine, it is developing fingers, toes and feet. It hasn't got to the point where you can read fingerprints or hear a regular heartbeat although that is getting close. We have given her a whole load of things to do that will make her closer with the baby.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: at the moment the thoughts are random and uncontrolled and therefore it is not a coherent thought process. By week 12, it will start to develop thought processes. By the time she is six months pregnant, she will be able to communicate telepathically. This is one of our teaching methods that we use. The reason that the children up here have such a bond with us parents is that we communicate telepathically with them. This is going to have a twofold sword on what we gave her to do. It will create a tighter link between her and the baby and hopefully create a telepathic link between mother and child later on.

Russ: now what about psychic skills while in womb?

Karra: they would develop like any other ability.

Russ: okay.

Karra: I believe Kiri covered all the abilities that the baby will have a potential access to.

Russ: did she? Oh.

John: yeah.

Russ: okay good, it's all on tape. Okay...

John: no, no Kiri's conversation wasn't taped.

Russ: oh that's right, it wasn't.

Karra: no and it is best that it wasn't.

Russ: okay, we'll leave it as such then.

Karra: yeah because that is between us and Carrie.

Russ: okay. Now what were you going to say before?

Karra: about?

Russ: before we got into Carrie.

Karra: sorry, your erased my mind when you started me thinking on Carrie.

Russ: oh I'm sorry hon.

Karra: that's all right.

Russ: it must be hard to do.

Karra: well actually it brought up things that were on the lower levels that were on the back burner that now come to the front burner.

Russ: okay. So humor, important from our point of view to give her.

Karra: yes.

Russ: I can do that.

Karra: love and support.

Russ: always.

Karra: yeah, tell her that she can call whenever she wants somebody to talk to.

Russ: okay.

Karra: regardless of day or time, night, whatever. Because she will at times get a little bit unstable. That is something that you must understand and bear with. She may phone up and be crying saying that Mike doesn't love her etc. Mike does love her very much, otherwise he would not have tolerated some of her behavior. Because she can throw quite a temper tantrum.

Russ: well we'll tell her to call whenever she wants.

Karra: yeah.

Russ: bill it to us or whatever.

Karra: yeah instead of screaming and shouting at Mike, tell her that she can call and scream and shout at you guys.

Russ: she would have more fun that way.

Karra: yes and besides, you know how to make her laugh.

Russ: of course. She can call me a butthead until her ears turn blue, I don't mind.

Karra: well Mike loves her probably more than you will ever know.

Russ: I agree.

Karra: in fact I think he worships the ground that she walks on and she's not aware of how much.....

Russ: well she will when the baby gets born.

Karra: yeah. I think Mike will be the one that will be getting up and changing the diaper.

Russ: oh yeah absolutely.

Karra: I think he will absolutely adore his little child. Spoil it rotten. And if anything, and this is something that Carrie must be made aware of, after the baby has been born and after she has gotten over her postpartum depression is the hours that he will be working will be a lot longer. This isn't because he doesn't love Carrie and he wants to be away from the baby, it's because he loves the baby and Carrie that he will work longer and harder hours.

Russ: yeah to support them.

Karra: yeah to make life better for them.

Russ: right.

Karra: he will probably give himself ulcers and bend over backwards and hurt himself and carry on going as if nothing is wrong. So Carrie will have to be very careful not to step on his toes when he is busting as you would say his gut to bring home the bread.

Russ: okay good.

Karra: but don't bring that up until after she's gotten over the depression part.

Russ: right, I'll bring it up during the depression part.

Karra: yes very smart move and you will have me to deal with.

Russ: of course I wouldn't, I'm going to have you in my head and who's going tell me not to? You.

Karra: exactly.

Russ: so what do I have to worry about? I rarely override you if I can help it.

Karra: but you do.

Russ: I have to sometimes. Because I have to maintain I guess some kind of individual sense, don't ask me why.

Karra: oh it's a male thing of sorts.

Russ: probably a male thing, I don't know.

Karra: okay, if Carrie was here she would find that very funny.

Russ: yes she would. Internet wise....

Karra: yes.

Russ: working with people in conversations on bringing about their understanding and learning.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: this is a form of healing correct?

Karra: yes.

Russ: how so?

Karra: by bringing out what is on their mind, you can look at it, hold it up to the sunlight, see the problem and address the problem, simple as that.

Russ: but what does it heal?

Karra: you're healing by words. You are looking at the problem, you're addressing the situation and you're coming up with an informed answer and by coming up with an answer, you come up with a cure.

Russ: ummm.

Karra: for example, if you take Iris.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: she obviously has some scars.

Russ: uh-huh.
 
Karra: okay she was injured by what was said by the Zeta Reticuli and was injured because she believed but looking deeper into it she sees the lacking in continuity.

Russ: oh you mean the past lives.

Karra: yes.

Russ: right.

Karra: okay she has been damaged. By discussing it and being given a different point of view, she is formulating by looking at one side and the other side an answer. Is that not healing?

Russ: I couldn't argue with it if I wanted to darling.

Karra: please.

Russ: on no really, I don't have any arguments to give you.

Karra: okay.

Russ: much as I'd like.....it was perfectly put.

Karra: okay well if you're not going to argue, this conversation serves no further purpose.

(Russ laughs)

John: this is what you would call spiritual healing isn't it?

Karra: yes exactly, exactly.

Russ: you little teaser.

Karra: I'm teasing am I dear?

Russ: yes you are darling.

Karra: oh you know me too well.

Russ: yes I do.

Karra: okay.

Russ: I have to. Okay and then what about the folks who are completely and totally negative such as Abbul?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the healing there, you want to just beat them over the head with a computer monitor. While it's probably more my healing then their's, I still try to talk to them and trying to explain in a very slow, childlike manner. What else can be done?

Karra: the way that you beat them is show them love and compassion. You do not deviate from your path because that would give them the false sense of "I won, I won" and behave even more childlike. How do you deal with a child that is errant? Do you pick it up and say, "there, there, that doesn't matter. You go ahead and do what's wrong" or do you pick it up and say, "don't ever do that again or I will spank you"? And if it does it again, what you do? Do you pick it up and go, "there, there, that doesn't matter", or do you spank it?

Russ: neither one.

Karra: sometimes it is the only way. You've seen me spank Klarra.

(her youngest daughter)

Russ: yeah I know but I mean it's like....I know, I've had this conversation with Mark and Kiri and Tia already before about....

Karra: and me numerous times.

Russ: and you numerous times about explaining what is actually wrong and why you shouldn't do that and why kids would not pay attention to that if you did.

Karra: sometimes they do not understand and the only way is, "you pull that cat's tails, you hurt the cat, the cat runs and hides. How would you like it if I spank you?" If you don't follow through, the child will go ahead and pull the tail again and become cruel and abusive towards cats. So by saying to the cat...saying to the child, "you pull that cat's tail again, I will spank you and spankings hurt." The child goes off, pulls the feline's tail again, you spank the child. You also explain that that is wrong and if it pulls the tail again, it will get the same treatment until it learns to stop. You have a perfectly good or we have a perfectly good pain mechanism but yet parents on your planet today seem not to want to use that because it's child abuse to inflict pain even if it is only temporary pain. For example Russ, has your mother ever spanked you?

Russ: whipped the living $&*^ out of me.

Karra: let us take an example of when you stole something from a shop.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: your mother whipped the living hell out of you did she not when she found out?

Russ: no my stepdad did.

Karra: okay you stepdad did, would you do that again?

Russ: I did that again.

Karra: and what happened?

Russ: nothing, I didn't get caught.

Karra: didn't get caught. You worked extra hard to make sure that you didn't get caught.

Russ: well true yeah.

Karra: okay, let us take something where you did get caught. You pick the subject this time.

Russ: all right, oh I got caught coming home late or I got caught sneaking out of the house to go fishing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: my stepdad kicked the %$*#& out of me then too.

Karra: did you do it again?

Russ: nope, didn't do it again that time.

Karra: okay, why not? Look at it honestly, don't give me some psycho-dribble.

Russ: no I'm not, I didn't want to get the &*%$# kicked out of me again.

Karra: exactly.

John: you can't do that nowadays with children, you'll be arrested.

Karra: exactly but Russ is a prime example of why it works. Russ was only temporarily, physically hurt, mentally there was no damage but there was no permanent damage. You have no permanent scars from that beating do you?

Russ: of course not.

Karra: do you have any mental scars from that beating?

Russ: hell yes.

Karra: but they stopped you from doing naughty things like that again?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: so therefore it is not a scar, but a memory.

Russ: okay.

Karra: any more questions?

Russ: that's it hon.

Karra: John?

John: nope, not at this point.

Karra: okay. See you later love.

Russ: bye love.

John: see you honey.

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(Tia finishes up things)


Tia: we'll have to get you astral traveling bud, get you a good woman up here.

John: sure.

Tia: or a good man.

John: I prefer a woman.

Russ: got any good choices for women up there who are after Johnny's butt there?

Tia: we can look around, we can probably find somebody.

Russ: sure.

Tia: but apparently sleeping with a third dimensional male is a little bit of upmanship around here at the moment.

Russ: I don't have anybody banging on my door.

Tia: what about Terri?

Russ: well Terri was.....I was a breeding stud at that point.

Tia: what about Gonzo?

Russ: oh yeah, nevermind.

Tia: what about Lyka?

Russ: well Lyka was fun.

Tia: what about Luna?

Russ: Luna's a laugh a minute.

Tia: what about Kiri?

Russ: well Kiri, I mean that's just incest.

Tia: incest is best.....

Russ: keep it in the family.

Tia: yeah okay, how much tape have we got there Buwanna?

Russ: about 15 minutes.

Tia: no we only got about 10.

Russ: 15, 9:45.

John: about 11 minutes.

Russ: okay well it's 9:30 now guys so we'll find out who's right and who's wrong.

Tia: okay it's 9:30.

Russ: okay now, who else is on tonight?

Tia: you're looking at it.

Russ: oh well, night's going downhill from here then huh?

(laughter ensues)

Tia: that is very impossible Russ, I mean it can't get much lower with the mental level that you're at.

(more laughter)

Russ: okay, all right, all right truce. That was pretty fun though.

Tia: I mean how can you get lower from being down right at the very bottom core of your planet. There isn't anywhere lower than that.

Russ: that's true. Hey that was a nice little wrestling session with Mark tonight eh?

Tia: do you know he could have severely hurt you numerous times in that?

Russ: well of course I did, that's what the fun was.

Tia: the fact that you....that he was not retaliating properly?

Russ: right.

Tia: the fact that he was trying to relax, I heard him. Go, "knock it off, I'm trying to relax."

Russ: well we've never done that before so...

Tia: he's quick isn't he?

Russ: hey, he's very quick.

Tia: very agile too.

Russ: yeah I'll have to practice on.....

John: yeah he knocked you on your ass didn't he?

Russ: well we kept going back and forth, it was funner than hell.

Tia: yeah but he took you down real quick and easy.

Russ: yeah he got me off balance or something.

Tia: I don't think you should push Mark too much, from what I heard, there is a point where if you react in a certain way, Mark's body...his mind takes over, it's all automatic and very dangerous and quick. There is a story that he tells and I believe he's told you, he's told me it a couple of times because I did it to him on one occasion and triggered a reaction that scared the hell out of me.

Russ: really?

Tia: yeah is that Mark will respond in a certain situation that his....he appears to shut down but react like a machine, a robot, like somebody's programmed him. And that is something to watch is, you watch his eyes because his eyes will go blank and he's not aware of what he's doing.

Russ: dangerous.

Tia: it's very dangerous because twice I believe he's come close to severely hurting somebody, probably higher. I know that his eyes went blank on me and Kiri stepped in.

Russ: coerced him?

Tia: yeah stopped him dead, cold in his tracks, froze him.

Russ: I'll bet she did.

Tia: yeah, she knew what happened.

Russ: she's quick, quicker then Mark I think.

Tia: yeah well she had to be at that point because I mean he could have hurt me from what he said, very easily. Even my speed and agility.......

Russ: what did you do to him?

Tia: I can't remember offhand, I'd have to think a second. I started to advance on him and I brought my foot up, he caught my foot as I brought it up and he started to flick it up but he stepped in on my other foot.

Russ: you were play fighting or something?

Tia: yeah play fighting, we do that from time to time.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: and he stepped on my foot and he had his one foot on my foot whilst pushing my leg up and Kiri stopped him because he would've just carried on going pushing my leg higher and higher until I was almost split.

Russ: lucky for you.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: you would have to spend some time in rejuve lab.

Tia: well he would've broken my leg.

Russ: maybe a flashback for him.

Tia: probably damage my pelvis as well.

Russ: didn't help that he would've felt really guilty afterwards......

Tia: oh yeah.

Russ: felt it was really you know his fault and it would've been.

Tia: no it wouldn't be his fault.

Russ: it wouldn't?

Tia: he's been programmed.

Russ: maybe he could break the program?

Tia: the question is, is it something that is ingrained that deep that only comes out occasionally. You break the program, you might break the machine.

Russ: true. Any news for the web, for the page for this week?

Tia: from me? Well we can't include the dogfight unfortunately, the big one.

Russ: why not? Why, I wasn't planning on putting it in unless Taal came in and told me about it?

Tia: no, oh you want the official report from the dogfight?

Russ: yeah.

John: yeah.

Tia: okay, I can have that in...

(speaks to one of the technicians in the channeling room)

Tia: thank you...no...just the report.....yeah thank you......glasses too thank you. Okay at 0302, patrol Alpha, Alpha Zeta....funny coincidence.....on patrol over Kazakhstan spotted a flight of eight. Flight Alpha Zeta moved in to investigate. The flight attacked but was chased off, no damage to either party. The patrol continued on its flight. Over lower Siberia, a force of 36 craft approached a flight of three from flight Alpha Zeta. Flight Alpha Zeta requested backup in a tone of voice that denoted concern. A dog fight ensued. Two flights were scrambled and sent to the situation. At this point the lead craft from flight Alpha Zeta was damaged and put in a situation where it no longer had the firing capability. It withdrew from the battle. As it withdrew it requested another flight to be sent. A flight was sent. In the ensuing melee, 13 aircraft were destroyed of the hostile force. Backup for flight Alpha Zeta and the other flights that had shown up on the scene occurred. Three more flights were sent in giving a total of, total of 21 craft being involved in the dogfight. Of these, five were damaged, all repairable. One was destroyed, fortunately the pilot ejected over a area of middle Siberia near an area of Tunguska......very strange and coincidental......one pilot was injured due to exuberant celebration before being extracted from the cockpit of the craft.

John: put his hand through the visor.

Tia: all aircraft are now fully operational and a replacement aircraft or two replacement aircraft have arrived on the base with a new pilot. End of report.

Russ: thank you.

Tia: Taal could have given a much better report. It would go something along the lines of, "well we were watching our six and I came up on the inside and we came in above the aircraft as it pulled a negative inside loop."

Russ: I am going to assume that we're not going to add the part about the pilot having a slight mistaken identity?

(a possible case of friendly fire)

John: yeah, yeah, I was going to......

Tia: no, it is being investigated. It is not being investigated by Ashtar command, it is being investigated.......

Russ: oh it's not?

Tia: because it did not involve an Ashtar personnel.

Russ: the pilot wasn't part of Ashtar personnel? He was....

Tia: they're not, none of them are.

Russ: oh they're not? They're independent contractors?

Tia: yeah, basically.

Russ: I mean, how can you say...not say that they work for Ashtar command because they take direct orders from...

Tia: no, it's a mutual thing. They do things for us and we do things for them.

Russ: oh, Ashtar Command suggests something and they do it.

Tia: yes. However, if he is found guilty Russ, that's it for him. If he is found guilty of negligence right? They all know that their flying days are over. Basically it's a death sentence for them.

Russ: I don't doubt that.

Tia: because they were originally genetically engineered for one purpose and one purpose only, to fly and that is so ingrained into them. You take Taal's little one right? He's already been up in a few craft.

Russ: oh really?

Tia: yeah, Taal took him to Sirius if you remember.

Russ: oh yeah.

Tia: for the skiing.

Russ: for the skiing.

Tia: in Taal's craft, he sat in between Taal's legs.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: it's instinctual for them.

Russ: well he could go on training couldn't he?

Tia: no.

John: so Taal's son will become a pilot, is that you're saying?

Tia: yes.

John: it's something that's inbred that's fixed.

Tia: correct....yeah. It's so ingrained....

John: he's not going to be a scientist or an engineer or anything else?

Tia: he will be a pilot, he is genetically bred or they were genetically bred for that purpose. Your planet talks about natural pilots right? There's no such thing as a natural pilot on your planet because your planet hasn't had flight long enough for it to become common.

John: right.

Tia: there are people on your planet now that still remember a time where flight was unheard of, or powered flight. In Taal's race, they have been flying spacecraft for close to 2,000 years.

John: wow.

Tia: they have had flight for probably 2,500 years. So you're talking about a race that has been in space for 2,000 years and I'm not talking space as in the space shuttle, being able to travel from one planet to another. They are designed for the specific function and reactions.....I mean I'm fast, my reactions are fast.

Russ: what planet are they from or is it are they just from a planet?

Tia: they're from a planet but because they're genetically engineered or were originally genetically engineered, it is something that is debatable.

Russ: they have root race.

Tia: we're both wrong Russ, it's over 15 minutes.

Russ: yep, afraid so.

Tia: okay, so there is a root race but they've been genetically altered where that is their primary function is flying spaceships. Whether it is a freighter, or a combat ship, or a transport ship, or a huge colony ship, that is what they are designed for, is to navigate, to fly.

John: these are the blue guys that we're talking about now right?

Tia: that's correct. That is what they are primarily bred for. Some of them can do ground control, the older ones are ground control because they know they no longer have the reflexes but they still have the reflexes to make a snap decision for a flight of aircraft.

John: right, right.

Russ: now when they grab the big colony ships, where do they fly to?

Tia: well they normally fly backwards and forwards from bases and stuff. Or they take groups of individuals from one place to another. For example, if you have a particularly dangerous colony mission where you're taking let's say 2,000 individuals to a colony. Let's say your planet's doing this right? And listen carefully to what I'm going to say. Your planet is colonizing let's say a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri right? Okay, let's say you have to navigate through some very nasty asteroids right? An asteroid field.......

Russ: right.

Tia: to get there. Now, this gentleman takes an entrance exam, enters the Academy and becomes an incredible pilot and ends up actually being the pilot in charge of that flight. Now unfortunately, during the flight he can't get to his "favorite drink" and his skin turns blue. That's what some of them do.

Russ: really?

Tia: uh-huh. That's what some of them actually do is work in the third dimension. Because there isn't really enough of a living up here for them to make. You see they once were or their root race was a third dimensional race. They're sixth dimensional now because they are linked to their ships, their ships are almost constantly.....

Russ: they could fly for like an Air Force or something down here?

Tia: there is none on your planet.

Russ: oh.

Tia: I'm taking it as a hypothetical situation. I'm not going to say Chuck Yeager happens to have blue skin underneath that or Pappy Boyington.

Russ: too short.

Tia: or what's his name, Grissom....no Grissom's too short.....Campbell or Carpenter or Schirra or Slayton. They're not blue guys okay?

Russ: right, just checking.

Tia: uh-huh. But that's the sort of thing that they end up doing some of them is that they relinquish their sixth dimensional heritage to fulfill what they're bred for.

Russ: third dimensional flight, flying period.

Tia: uh-huh, flying.

Russ: yeah but wouldn't that mean they might come up against the guys from the base?

Tia: in a hostile situation?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: very unlikely mainly because most of the missions that they're on are peaceful exploration missions. Occasionally they will bump into their colleagues from the base or from bases right?

Russ: like if they go to work for the Pleiadians or something and they meet when the Hades Base ships stop for a search.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: go "hey how's it going, how's mom and dad? Well good to hear..."

Tia: no it's normally along the lines of that's where telepathy comes into play.

Russ: oh.

Tia: they can't walk up, shake hands and happen to blow their cover, they can't do that.

Russ: right.

Tia: it's more along the lines of....

Russ: private mode.

Tia: yeah private mode and communicate and ask how everything is going and pass on messages. Because yeah the blue guys, they see auras, they know when there is a pilot on board a ship.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh. Now if the pilot is injured, they will come on and board and set up a situation where it appears he gets killed, a fight breaks out and then they will take him home and get him fixed up. Change his face and send him back to the place or he could stay in the sixth dimension. I think Taal's has done a tour like that.

Russ: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh. I think, I'm only assuming, I'm guessing all right?

Russ: yeah, right, right. Interesting.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that's interesting to know.

Tia: yeah. So I mean, when you talk about natural pilots on your planet, no there is no such thing.

John: not yet.

Tia: not yet.

John: we've got to be evolved more.

Tia: you've got to have a heritage of in one family, let's take 200 years where they have continuously, the father and mother......it's got to be father and mother......all the way back to great, great whatever grandmother it is and grandfather, have to be pilots.

John: hmm, interesting.

Tia: they have to have piloting skill. For example, let us say your mother right? Take her back in time...

Russ: was Amilia Ehrhardt.

Tia: yeah right and she married....

Russ: she would be my grandmother.

Tia: yeah your grandmother was Amilia Ehrhardt who married let's say Chuck Yeager.

Russ: Charles Bell I mean Albert Bell.

Tia: Albert Bell.

Russ: same timeframe.

Tia: okay, and their son happens to be Chuck Yeager and somebody else.

Russ: who marries...female pilot....the one who just qualified the F-16.

Tia: yeah. And so on all the way down right? You've got 10 generations right? Of pilots. The 11th generation is not a natural pilot but there is that possibility that might be.

John: right.

Tia: the 12th, there's more of a chance of being a natural pilot but not totally. The 13th, again the same thing. The 14th, the same again. The 15th, more than likely but not definitely a natural......


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