Archivist Notes: This session took place
nearly two years from the last time we had
talked to Carrie who was now pregnant with her
daughter. We had done a question and answer
session in on on-line forum where the girls
had answered questions sent in from the
participants. The session opened up with Kiri
discussing Skip's future guide who hadn't
passed on yet. We also find out through Omal
that Ashtar Command follows the prime
directive much as they do on Star Trek.
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Co-Mistress of Ceremonies
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(Kiri comes on)
gone out of remission, way out of remission. He's
probably....our estimates of six months
to a year.....our estimates of
six months to a year looks
like it could be three months to six months. The
cancer has progressed further and faster than we
expected which makes me think that it was a very,
very heavy dose of radiation, very
heavy dose. Apparently he's been fighting this for
about three years. Okay, now in this current life
that he is living he does not know Skip but
in past lives he has. All right, in his deep
states where he has been put into deep levels of
sleep, that's when we can communicate with him so
months. Skip's mother is going to stay during the
interim period when he arrives to start which will
be six months...no, it will be three
months after he dies. So there will be a period of
three months where Skip will have two guides, both
his mother and this guy. They will work hopefully
together and grandmother
has been communicating with both of them and she
says that they will work together as a team.
Grandmother also said that.....this
is because she hasn't been very well just recently
but she's getting better......but she also said
that if she dies, she's going to become Skip's
guide also. But she's getting better, she just had
a mild case of stomach upset.
Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?
Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?
Kiri: she's probably got maybe a
month or two. She's getting worse but there
again when you're her age, 800 plus years
is pretty, pretty good going if you ask me. I mean
she's what, 890?
Russ: well if it works out to ours,
like 80 years you're doing great.
Kiri: uh-huh but she's what is it I
think 870, 880 I really don't know, she
doesn't really know either. I mean she's from what
grandmother has told me, she spends a lot of time
with her head going.....nodding so she's starting
to get the shakes of later life. I mean she's not
losing her faculties or anything, she's just got
the shakes which is normally a sign that
she's getting there. She spends a lot of time in
deep trances. Okay, questions?
Russ: working on the engineering
Russ: Tia was giving me some
good stuff about the ships yesterday.
the online channeling session)
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.
Russ: particularly about how they
hide from view.
Russ: but I didn't really....she was
kind of working quick and I didn't really get a
full idea of what she was saying about how it is
that they can shield...how did she put
it? Cloak themselves, not like a Star Trek cloak
she said, but a different way. She didn't explain
the different way or nothing, she just said that
they can cloak themselves.
Kiri: okay how it works is that when
the ship is using the gravitational field that
they use right? What in actual fact it does
is......it doesn't bend the gravity, it bends the
energy field. For example, when you look at
something vibrating right? It gets fuzzy doesn't
Kiri: what happens is, the air around
it gets vibrated right? And it gets fuzzy and the
faster the vibration right? The
fuzzier it gets. Which makes it look like a cloud.
But if you take that the next step and accelerate
the vibration on a bigger scale instead of just an
area of maybe 30 feet around the vessel and expand
it to 60 feet around the vessel right? You can
increase the vibrational frequency closer to the
vessel. By increasing the vibrational frequency
closer to the vessel right? You vibrate the air
and the molecules and all the the dust particles
and everything and that creates a haze right? It's
not a cloud, it's a haze. By decreasing the
distance of the vibrational field, out to 60 feet
means that you have more molecules to vibrate
right? And you go on a scale where at the outside,
the molecules are hardly vibrating.
Kiri: they vibrate very slowly and
then you work your way closer to where they're
vibrating at a higher frequency. This makes it
Kiri: didn't you just throw that one
(a cat comes in)
John: yeah it's just going to run
around and going right back in through the garage.
Kiri: want to take care of the
Russ: yup I got it.
Kiri: okay so, by increasing the
vibrational frequency, you therefore
make the ship appear to be invisible. It's not, it
just appears to be.
Kiri: do you have a question, you
look like you're deep........?
John: yeah there was one time where I
swore I saw a ship but I mean it took a long time
of focusing on the same area and but I never got a
real clear view of it but I'm just wondering if
there's anything that our third dimensional mind
can do to compensate for these vibrations if we're
looking for them?
Kiri: yes and no, you can
look for fields or areas of instability.
Kiri: where things look a little bit
fuzzy. A patch of sky that is a bit hazy.
John: right okay.
Kiri: that is normally a key sign
that you look up at a clear sky and there is a
Russ: well Bell said that he could
meditate and see the ships through the shields.
from a chat group we were in)
Kiri: he's doing that because he
Russ: raising his vibrations?
Kiri: yeah, he is
sensing the vibrations of where they are. He's not
actually seeing the physical ships, he's seeing
the vibrational field that they're generating.
Russ: so you can do that?
Kiri: yeah. From what I read, Tia was
close to mark on most of it, she
had been prepped and was going from memory. There
are third dimensional ships only that do work on
the same principle of using the vibrational
frequency. Now I can't tell you what the
vibrational frequency is....
Kiri: for obvious
reasons......ummm, come here...(talking
to the cat)...he's been
overruled. Is your food finished there Johnny?
John: it will be if.......
Kiri: if he gets hold of it.
John: if he gets hold of it.
Kiri: okay so the vibrational
frequency is the key. Find out with that frequency
is and you too can create an invisible object.
Russ: hmm okay, so when it's going
across a cloud or going across
the sky, you don't see like this haze going
"whoosh" like that do you?
Kiri: sometimes it's too fast.
Russ: oh I see.
what about two weeks ago, the particular object
that came back into the atmosphere, the meteor
Kiri: you might not want him up
Russ: that came into the atmosphere
and then popped back out again and then came back
in again. Sounds a little too trippy for me. I was
watching videos of it and it looks like lots of
like almost a firework going off only straight
down where like it broke up into a lot of little
Kiri: I'll let you draw your own
conclusions on that, I am not that
involved with Tia........with that part of the
base that you're suggesting. Tia is more involved
with that than I am.
Kiri: isn't that
Russ: that is cute, I wish had a
Kiri: okay more questions.
Russ: yeah, any idea yet why the chat
Kiri: I think he's using an Amiga.
Russ: well that would explain it,
Kiri: but they are talking about
moving it to a site further away. I get the
Russ: site in the USA?
Kiri: yeah. Carrie's
Kiri: yeah the thing is humor, she
needs a lot of laughter.
Russ: I was trying
to do my part.
Kiri: okay now, Carrie's
present from us. We're going to get Mark to
photocopy that picture, send that to her. Is there
any way you can get the background removed?
Russ: scan it into a Printshop,
PhotoPaint shop and you just edit the picture
anyway you want.
Kiri: okay, could you reproduce that
on your computer perfectly like that?
Russ: if I had a scanner yeah.
Kiri: okay so if somebody was to send
it to you right?
Kiri: you could then clean it up and
send it to her.
Russ: sure, if it's in GIF format,
I'd have no problem with it...or JPEG
Kiri: JPEG. Okay....we can....your
friend Jack is coming back, he has the ability to
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: okay what you do is scan it in
and then filter out everything apart from the
background, put it on a
white background. Can you change the hair
Russ: oh yeah, I can do anything you
Kiri: okay, do the hair coloring in
my natural coloring right?
Russ: which is strawberry blonde?
Kiri: yes, that is my natural
Russ: all right.
Kiri: it's not as red as Tia's, it's
more of a blonde, more blonde than
Russ: I know, especially when the
sunlight hits it just right.
Kiri: that is my natural coloring.
the fact that I'm totally redheaded at the moment
is besides the point.
I'm going to to put the next person on.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: as I've taken up way too much
Russ: well not really, because we
just started the tape.
Russ: I'll see you here in
a little while.
(Tia is now the speaker)
hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hi. Okay, yes,
Russ: oh, good session last night
Tia: oh thank you, I worked hard on
Russ: I thought you did a very good
Kiri: it was easy but hard.
Russ: well of course.
Tia: what was with Boris Diffle?
Tia: what does that mean?
Russ: I don't know.
Russ: actually, you could say it is
Russ: and he's basically a skeptic.
Tia: well skeptic is good.
Russ: I agree, he
wanted to know.......
Russ: without actually trying to
think of the answer but have the answer given to
Tia: oh he's one of those people.
Tia: I can think of....
Russ: he wants it gift
Tia: yeah, he
doesn't have to go through the thought
process. I thought where I mentioned learning was
a good enough hint for him to understand.
Russ: well that's a turnoff for him.
Tia: oh, he's definitely one of those
people that does not want to learn.
Tia: whereas "OP", does want to learn
and wants not to be led step-by-step but but given
Russ: right, as does Bell.
Russ: he did a lot of work I
guess....what was that with Ashtar Command thing
you asked him?
Tia: Bell is a person that......that's
not Bell's real name obviously, it's her handle but
it's part of her Hades Base name,
they had on Hades Base.
Tia: umm before they died.
Russ: a recent.....or a past life?
Russ: one prior to this?
Tia: probably a little further back
than that actually, I'm not too sure.
Russ: and how were they recognized?
Tia: by their wording.
Russ: they use particular wording?
Tia: yeah, their construction of
sentences and things. We run things through the
computer and it recognizes patterns and stuff. For
example, when Mark writes or you write, there is a
particular pattern which is recognizable from past
Russ: Maxxus and Naxxus?
(Ed. note: a past life
in Atlantis when Mark and I were brothers coming
Tia: uh-huh. And we can trace it all
the way back if we have copies of writing...that's
Russ: to Sirius?
Tia: yeah. That's why we access
through the computer. The computer analyzes this
information, looks for a specific pattern right?
If there is a pattern that is tagged, it will then
be sent to Sirius where it is processed and
Russ: what about that question from
Boisedied about, "what do you need computers for
then?" Now you've got millions of bytes of
information going through every second.....
Tia: yes but
self-explanatory, I did not even answer that.
Russ: I answered it.
Tia: yes but I did not, I saw it and
went, "phew", that does not need an answer. I
think he is one of those people that thinks he is
smart but is not.
Russ: he thinks he's got all the
Tia: yeah, a person that thinks that
"Star Trek" is the end-all and be-all of
everything....I mean that is so far off, it's
Russ: well not all the way off.
Tia: no, the engine propulsion system
apparently is possible but the rest of it, some of
theories that they come up with are so wacky and
far off it's totally implausible. And he seems to
take that as the theories that they discuss are
plausible, half the time they're not. Matter
transference for example, that is very, very
dangerous. It does work, but not as reliable as
they show on "Star Trek". The fear that the older
doctor (McCoy) has of matter transference beams is
a common fear for
races that do use matter transference and it's not
just a few individuals, it's a lot of them. For
example, ripping somebody down and reassembling
them, it only works if you have one person.
Russ: oh I'm sure there's lots of
horror stories of people it didn't work on.
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: that would scare the bejesus
out of me to go through one of those things.
Tia: well there is a song that I
picked up from a third dimensional monitoring that
one day four people went out to a party, and this
song is always sung by a man right? He went out
with his girlfriend, his best friend and his best
friend's girlfriend. And they all
went through a matter transference beam and
now he's pregnant.
Tia: I actually couldn't add up,
it was a race that has evolved much
further than they were when I picked it up. When I
picked it up it was something that was broadcast
like on your radio waves.
Russ: huh, poor guy.
Tia: it's a song.
John: yeah it's a "Cars"...I think it
is a "Cars" song if I'm not mistaken.
Russ: no it's a different race, not
John: oh a different race.
Russ: a different planet.
Tia: well if my memory is right, the
gist is that his body got ripped down to be
projected through a matter transference beam with
his girlfriend right next to him. They went
through it and she has a penis and he has a womb.
Russ: I don't think the "Cars" ever
wrote anything like that.
John: no, no, I was
thinking of something else.
Tia: and what was it? His best friend
has breasts, a penis and very feminine legs and
his girlfriend has to shave her legs
Russ: scary thought.
Tia: and is flat-chested but
it's a song.
Russ: yeah of course, it's not fact.
Russ: a joke.
Tia: I think it was written as a anti-matter
Russ: all right.
Tia: no more? Okay.
Russ: not yet, I have something I've
saved for Omal instead.
(Omal starts to channel)
and felicitations, you rang?
Russ: greetings Omal, we did in fact.
Omal: okay, let us proceed.
Russ: this is a tale of two....what
were those things up there? Suburbans, a tale of
(A pair of matching vehicles that
parked outside during the chat the night before.)
Russ: now are we being a little bit
Omal: I believe so.
Russ: I think they're just
vacationing folks that come up on a weekend.
Omal: yes, it is suspicious as was
stated at the time.
Omal: but, the reaction time is a
little bit too quick. However, like the power
outage, it is a good test is it not?
Russ: it is. Well what interested me
was the fact that we hadn't been really looking or
paying attention in that direction until just all
of a sudden it's like, "well wait a minute, maybe
it might be a good idea to check." And then that
Russ: so we don't know, we haven't
been following if they've been there a lot, if
they have been there just the first time or what.
It's something we ought.....a lesson for us to
learn that we should be more attentive to those
situations around us.
Omal: I believe Mark often talks
about situation awareness?
Omal: yes. It is something that all
of you should do.
Russ: sure. And it's something that
in the future could be very important, maybe not
right now but it's good practice.
Omal: yes. I think Tia put it very
well in, "believe nothing if you
cannot corroborate it".
Omal: it is better to burn your hand
instead of your body.
Russ: uh-huh. Well
nothing we've been doing even with the Jason
Society and MJ12 going on the net, is enough to
get us noticed.
(web research we
had been doing at the time)
Omal: you are small fry for them at
Russ: at this time.
Omal: although the small fry if it
was caught would turn out to be a mighty big fish.
Russ: this is true.
Omal: but behaving in a small way
makes them overlook you.
Russ: well we're not going to put any
big neon signs out there anyway saying, "look,
here we are".
Omal: no. If you do, I suggest doing
it in red and saying, "this is the place".
Russ: I'll just paint a big target on
Omal: very droll, in
Russ: in neon, yes.
Russ: all right. Johnny, you got
John: not right offhand. You got
anything else you want to ask?
John: go ahead.
Russ: I have a few things. Okay, now
last night we were working with a few different
people. Some were very open towards what's being
said and some weren't. Now for example, the one
person I'm working with on the net called Iris in
dealing with the "Zeta
Russ: has now got a bit of a
different point of view on "Zeta Talk"
compared to Ashtar Command.
Omal: okay what is necessary to do is
to explain the difference between us as a base, a
research base and the blue guys.
(the base's pilots)
Russ: so that's what Tia meant by the
problem with the Grays, is not with
Ashtar Command, it's with the blue guys.
Omal: correct. It is a long-running
rivalry, the fact that our pilots see themselves
as protectors. Wherever they go, they are to
protect the race that they protect. For example
your race against anybody that tries to abduct
them or any race that they
perceive as a threat. For example, they do not
worry about the Pelladians, they are not a threat.
Omal: so when our pilots perceive a
threat, they analyze and watch and wait for
evidence. You cannot let some ships go because
there are some good and some bad.
Russ: well the argument we're
currently in......or I shouldn't say argument,
debate that we're currently in, is whether there
are good Grays and bad Grays
or all bad Grays? Now of course you know my point
Omal: yes and I do understand where
you are coming from.
Russ: correct but I've
kind of run out of arguments at this point and I'm
kind of having to just say, "well we'll work on
this as we go." Ashtar Command......in fact Ashtar
himself has said there are no good Grays.
Omal: Ashtar did not say that.
Russ: oh right, you said that.
Omal: correct. I am also tinted by
the same view that you have.
Russ: correct so......
Omal: she is a very lovable young
lady. If I was not so old and of such a different
race, my heart would cry for her. (Sarah)
Omal: the fact that I have seen it
before and will probably see it again hardens my
heart. I am sad that I do not
have that much pity. I have understanding and
compassion but the pity is no longer there,
has been taken out of me. That is why I am so hard
on the Grays due to the fact that
they have taken my pity away.
Russ: right. But is it possible we're
both looking at this in a very biased opinion or
do we have facts that we can back it up with?
Omal: I would not say looking at it
possibly from a biased point of view, we are
Russ: I agree.
Omal: but we also have the facts.
Russ: okay and that's why I need to
look closer into this.
Omal: okay, cattle mutilations.
Russ: right, is that a bad thing or a
Omal: ummm, define necessary.
Russ: for their survival.
Omal: no, there are other ways of
getting that kind of information.
Omal: you do not
have to dissect and remove sexual organs from
Russ: glands, yeah that's what we've
heard though so that's why I have to look at it
from that point of view. All right, human
abductions, are they necessary or just experiments
that could be done by other......?
means and more effective means.
Russ: for example, if you had a
hologram of a person, could you do the same
experiments without having to use a real person?
Omal: yes, very much so. Even your
technology can do that.
Russ: why are they so advanced yet so
far behind then?
Omal: because they have reached the
point now where they have said "okay we have done
enough with the computer models, let's see how it
actually reacts to an environment or the
Russ: so that means they are
maintaining surveillance of their past
Russ: so you can monitor their past
experiments by where their surveillance is?
Omal: where there is a high
concentration of abductions and vessels, then they
are monitoring or coming back to an experiment
that is currently running to check on it.
Russ: so what happens if Hades Base
ships suddenly decided to break up the party?
Omal: we do not mind them monitoring
experiments that are running, we do mind when they
start new ones.
Russ: well I have a problem with
that. If Hades Base will not stop the monitoring,
then doesn't that show that they've got a go-ahead
to go on with these things?
Omal: it falls into our
Russ: ohhh, I have troubles there I'm
Omal: yes, it is a very, very fine
line between interfering and not
interfering. Experiments that they have started
running, we cannot interfere in those lives unless
they abduct them.
Omal: they can
monitor, watch and learn that way but as soon as
they abduct, then they are interfering and we have
to interfere to stop them from interfering. Where
they attempt to start new genetic programs
running, again they are interfering because to
start those, they have to abduct the individuals.
Once they touch those individuals they have
interfered and that must be stopped.
Russ: I suppose what I have a problem
with is they interfered in the first place to
start the experiment that they're monitoring so
therefore the harm's already been done....
Russ: therefore you should be able to
walk right in and....
Omal: interfere even more and make
the situation possibly worse.
Russ: yeah, you're right.
Omal: as much as I personally would
like to say "okay, let's get them off the planet,
let's get these genetic programs that are running
stopped, create a situation where it is washed out
of the system and get things back to normal. I
would love to do that but I cannot because that is
Omal: where we come in is to stop
them from interfering further. Unfortunately we
are a limited number of personnel and we cannot be
Russ: now they have a...we
were talking about the base at Four Corners.
Russ: now why do they need ships to
bother abducting, why can't they just take them
over to the base and do all their experiments
right there on the base and monitor them right on
Omal: because due to the fact that a
high desert area has different properties then a
low desert area and a low desert area has
different properties from a high alpine area and
Russ: oh I see.
Omal: the more environmental factors
that you throw in, the better the results are of
Russ: do we know what the end result
is that they're working for?
Omal: we have our suspicions.
Russ: okay, and could we say then
that this is for the good of the human race?
Omal: that is undeterminable at this
Russ: okay. There is nothing we as
humans can do to stop this?
Omal: no, not really. As much as one
would like to think otherwise.
Russ: well yeah we would like to
think otherwise. Okay, where do we go from here?
Omal: just watch and wait and try to
intervene when they try to start or abduct new
individuals or old individuals.
Russ: wait a minute, we can
interfere. We're third dimensional beings,
have nothing that stops us from interfering right?
Omal: next question please. I am
deliberately not answering that question because
that is your own moral choice.
Russ: oh I know, I know, I know,
can't advise us one way or another.
Omal: correct, as
much as I would love to, I cannot. By me saying
what you should or should not do is interference.
Russ: it is a conundrum here.
Russ: okay understandable,
I will leave that as just wishful thinking anyway.
All right on the subject of shielding.
Russ: we want to work with John's
shield over here to practice getting them up. Now
he wasn't here for the original shielding sessions
in which we learned how to do proper shielding and
the different grades.
Omal: okay we can set that up for
Russ: okay good.
Omal: now would not be a good time.
Russ: well no but I would like to set
this up for a time in the future.
Russ:: where we could do a
dissertation or something that he could learn from
Omal: correct and we will examine
your shields hah, hah, hah, hah.
Russ: I look forward to it.
Omal: we will have somebody of talent
to examine them.
Russ: you mean like last week?
Russ: okay. Now then, on the Internet
page, we have some stuff from last week that I
wanted to check real quick on what we can and
cannot put up on the web.
Omal: okay, let us hear this.
Russ: okay, first off all of Ashtar's
section, I can put that word-for-word
on or should I edit?
Omal: let you and your as he put it
"healer friend" edit.
Russ: healer friend, I thought that
was a little bit light but...
Omal: and formal.
Russ: and we'll work on it.
Russ: okay, on your comments, go
ahead and put everything on except for...
Omal: pretty much so yes.
Russ: except for that point that
dealt with the web itself.
Russ: okay. And then I'm going to go
ahead and start working on "Zeta Talk"
and start pulling up articles related to Ashtar
Command and other things.
Russ: now how do you want to do the
rebuttals for each of these?
Omal: we would like to read each one
and rebut them and work with you on the rebuttal.
Russ: okay so essentially what I'll
do is I'll have like a sheet of paper on all these
that I've got right here, we'll work on them as we
Russ: all right so, Johnny do you got
anything before we get into anything more?
John: yeah I was just wondering if
you knew how many Grays were on our
planet right now?
Omal: yes we do but we cannot
John: you can't, you can't tell me
Omal: correct. Well I could but then
I would have to terminally hurt you.
John: well yeah, we're
going to skip that.
Omal: okay, no
smile? Johnny? No smile for that comment? Oh well
not to worry. I sometimes wonder why I try your
Russ: because it works.
Omal: point taken.
Russ: now then, we'll take the first
Omal: okay, we will take just two
Russ: just two? All right. "Zeta Talk",
Atlantis. "The legends of Atlantis are not based
on actual facts but a combination of truths which
have been combined, give birth to the legend of
Atlantis. The stories about Atlantis which have
never been found.....or which has never been found
are supported by myths of great cities destroyed
suddenly by rising water. Well that of course
happens extensively all over the world every time
there is a pole shift as we have
explained. There were lands were sunk under the
sea in the Atlantic but they were no more
developed than Maouri lands at the
time of the last cataclysms, stories
of Atlantis notwithstanding. The earth was visited
by hominoid extraterrestrials in its past and
these hominoid's had access to technology that
amazed the primitive humans who stood witness.
Many cities in and around the European continent
went under the waves during the last few pole
shifts. This is because the Atlantic, as a
widening ocean, tends to drag down the shorelines
and outlying islands during each shift. The
floor of the Atlantic drops pulling
its perimeter with it. Beyond
what has been told about the visitors from the
12th planet, there is not to say about the rumors
Omal: okay, let us first of all look
at this fact that they talk about the Atlantic
Ocean widening and then they talk about the coast
sinking and there is a contradiction. How can it
widen and sink at the same time?
Russ: maybe because the waves wash
over the coast as it widens?
Omal: no. If you know anything about
Russ: a little bit.
Omal: okay, down the center of the
Atlantic is a trench correct?
Omal: I'm not familiar with the name.
Russ: the Marianas trench.
Omal: okay. Now what is happening on
the Marianas trench, let me get the hands up to
demonstrate is where the fingers join is the
Omal: okay. What happens is you get a
new piece of crust coming up and it widens. Now,
does it slip under as is possibly suggested in one
spot or does it sink back under like this, one
finger sliding under another?
Russ: well it said it slips under.
Omal: yes and no. One side it does,
on the American side it does. But if you look down
through you will notice that there is a ridge of
mountains close to the coast of Africa.
Omal: okay, now when you have one
plate pushing against another, it crumbles pushing
Omal: the material from the African
side is not subducting, it is pushing up and
joining to make a mountain range. Now if you get
South America and put it next to the African
continent, they match pretty closely.
Russ: yeah, almost exactly.
Omal: now if supposedly there was
subduction going on, would not one or the other
have changed beyond recognition and matching?
Russ: no, they would be basically
like as you say, a widening between the two
Omal: exactly, so how can
there be anything sinking underneath?
Russ: okay yeah, when you put it like
that I certainly see what you're talking about.
Omal: so their idea of the coastline
sinking is baloney as you would say.
Omal: okay let us look at the 12th
Omal: well with their mathematics and
the way they describe things with such bad facts
as been proven by our plate tectonic explanation,
there could be a 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th planet.
Even a 17th or 18th planet. We
might as well go on for an infinite period of time
discussing how many possible planets there are. In
fact you could say that there are numerous planets
that are seen but when does a planet become a
planet or a moon or an asteroid?
Russ: when it's drawn into the
gravitational field of a large solar body.
Omal: well what about the asteroid
belt? You might as well call each one of those a
planet, some of them are quite
Omal: are they planets or are they
Russ: just asteroids.
Omal: there are many, many asteroids
scattered throughout your solar system. Hundreds,
thousands, millions of them ranging in size from
this to hundreds of miles in size. When do they
become planets? When somebody says they are a
Omal: and that is the only
difference. They talk about a 10th planet, let me
take the biggest asteroid and call it Omal world.
The largest asteroid has now become a
planet because I said so, that is all that they're
doing is taking an asteroid and glorifying it.
Russ: huh, okay.
Omal: or let us change that for the
tape and say that I said Russ world.
Russ: I don't know, I like Omal world,
rides going around with little Omals.
Omal: thank you. Okay, let us look at
the next point, Atlantis itself.
They answer their own statement there. They talk
about aliens coming to visit and the early
Omal: now any scientific party would
set up a station. Have you not done this on
Antarctica? It does not matter where the
location is, a scientific team will set up
a station. At first only temporary but
on later research and development, they may bring
more equipment for a longer stay and a longer stay
still. With the life expectancy of these visitors,
they might have set up a permanent town. Other
people will come and join to help them, support
systems, colonists in fact. Now humanoid in
appearance individuals that are close enough to
the humanoids on the planet with necessary
manipulation of genes could create a place called
Atlantis. In fact not could, did. So therefore the
theory that scientists visiting and coming on a
day trip is a little bit hard to believe.
Scientists as a rule will spend a time at a
location. You cannot formulate a concise opinion
by staying for a day, a week, a year or even five
years. When dealing with a civilization as they
put it, primitive civilization, then you have to
spend time to understand the interplay of the
world. How the individuals react to the
environment in different climates. Did not the
young lady that was involved with the guerrillas
spend 20 years of her life before she was murdered
with guerrillas trying to understand them? (Dian
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: and still the information she
gathered was just the tip of the iceberg,
on one group. Would it not be better to set up
lots of different groups analyzing and viewing at
different places? If you read the story of
Gilgamesh, they talk about carpets of fire in the
sky. Is that not a reference to UFOs?
Russ: early UFO's sure.
Omal: the technology that is
described, a nuclear war, would
a primitive society have that kind of equipment?
No, definitely not. So again by addressing this
idea they have that Atlantis did not exist, this
disproves their theory. Atlantis did exist and
Russ: now the one last statement
Omal: hold on.
reason why it still exists is because it
is in the minds of the populace, the
race memory. Your comment please.
Russ: well they said at the very end
of this last part about Atlantis. It said, "these
visitors did not disappear because they went under
the waves, they disappeared because they were put
Omal: well that in itself suggests
that the civilization that they call primitive was
a little bit more advanced than they just said.
Contradiction right there.
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal begins to speak)
Russ: okay, last
one for this evening will be remote
Russ: okay. "Lest anyone be confused,
what is termed remote viewing is simply telepathy,
natural and fairly common occurrence among mankind
and animals who call the earth their home.
Telepathy is intrinsic to life but only about 10%
of the human population has enough native capacity
to take note of it. Those with native capacity
soon learn they can anticipate phone calls from
friends, anticipate and guard against personal
attacks and seem to intuitively understand what
their loved ones need and want. The government has
never failed to use telepathy to accomplish
whatever they might consider their ends but after
observing the seamless way aliens could work
together without a word spoken, the issue got hot.
As MJ12 was in those days heavily dominated by the
CIA, they took
the topic and affected their goals, or the goals
of the operation with their own twist. Remote
viewing under the CIA's auspices was not done to
simply garner intelligence on legitimate
government security concerns. It was used to
invade privacy, secure blackmail material, assist
break-ins and thefts, amuse agents who wanted to
snoop for personal reasons and keep tabs on rival
government agencies. When the operation failed to
curtail enemy actions due to complete lack of
awareness of enemy plans and failure to predict,
it ostentatiously was shut down. As with all
bureaucracy enclaves, it sought to perpetuate
itself by reinventing its goals. Remote viewing
would become a handy disinformation tool,
impressing the public with what might seem to be
an ability to read minds and therefore spread
disinformation as valid facts garnered through
telepathy. To ensure a gullible public will
believe, the remote viewing track record is
supported by information supplied by the CIA."
Omal: okay, there are too many
contradictions in that to list, too
many. Let us pick four key topics.
Omal: telepathy, telepathy is the
exchange of information from one mind to another.
Actually on this point they are close to the mark,
there are a number of people on your planet that do
exchange information telepathically. They are also
able to hear and receive and pick up the mind
thoughts of other people. This is true and
correct. Okay, let us look on remote
describe it as telepathy but viewing suggests
using vision. Vision suggests seeing, not reading
people's minds. Reading people's minds falls under
the first category of telepathy. Viewing is
something totally different. It is something that
you do not do with your ears but with your eyes.
In this case you are using your mind's eyes or
your third eye to be able to view and see what is
going on. How can this, something that you do with
your eye or your mind's eye, be something that you
do with your mind's ears? This is
very confusing and hard to understand unless
you look at it closer. By
making a statement that remote viewing is
telepathy, is designed to confuse,
smear and fudge the issues so that it looks silly
and hard to believe and therefore is easily as
they put it discarded. Remote viewing is fact,
better way to describe it is astral traveling or
far sighting. As that suggests, you see something
from afar, you view it from afar, you travel in
your astral form. All things that you do without
using your mind's ears. Governmental agencies
using these abilities, sadly this does happen. It
happens in such a way that it can be almost kind
of comical to watch. One group snooping on the
other group assuming the other group does not have
this ability and in actual fact it does. It is
very funny for the outside observer to watch,
silly precautions they take in an almost paranoia
fit to snoop on the other party. The parties
involved, the CIA, FBI and various other rogue
agencies, go through a regular song and dance
snooping at each other. What is even more funny to
watch is the KGB and other Soviet or former Soviet
organizations that go through the same
routine as well as trying to snoop on their
counterparts in the US and other countries that
also run similar projects. This is quite hilarious
to watch from the outside and very entertaining.
Personally I prefer it more than watching some of
your entertainment devices on your communication
system. Lastly, disinformation given out in a
confusing form. My previous statement is designed
to emphasize the silliness of the wording in this
situation. I worded it in such a way that it is
difficult to understand as an example of how you
can say very little by saying quite a lot. To
recover position three, basically what is
happening is that you have a number of
organizations that are aware that each
organization has the ability. They work together
from time to time as a team but like to keep tabs
on each other by employing individuals that can
astral travel and individuals that can pick up on
other people's minds and transmit that information
to a relay individual. Thank you.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: did you enjoy that little silly
commentary in part three?
Russ: that was very enjoyable.
Russ: it will read good on the
webpage I can tell.
Omal: and you put it in your, I
described it, you do not put in the last bit
underneath that bit. That comes later because it
is designed to make it, people will go, "huh?" And
then when they read that, they will understand
what I'm saying.
Russ: yeah it will go in word-for-word.
Omal: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: okay Johnny, last question.
John: nothing at this point.
Omal: okay thank you. Live long,
prosper and, I'll be back.
John: see you around dude.
Russ: that would be fun to watch from
John: yeah and that was.......
(Kiri comes back on)
Kiri: he did that very well.
John: quite interesting the way he
analyzed how that went down.
Russ: I look forward to our weekly
little sessions like that.
Kiri: yeah. I mean he did it in all
seriousness with a lot of humor involved.
Russ: straight from the base
Kiri: uh-huh, I suppose you want me
to put on your wife mind?
Russ: my twin soul?
Kiri: twin soul, bond mate, wife.
Russ: my heart of hearts, my better
(Karra now takes over)
Karra: so I'm
now an editor huh?
Russ: I don't know about the "my
healer friend". It's a little bit unspecific.
Karra: I think Ashtar at the time was
Russ: oh yeah, that's
just wanted to whip through it as quickly as
possible and use whatever came to mind.
Russ: it's like, my healer friend,
I'm trying to think of who are my healer friends
up there, ummm.
Karra: you're married to one thank
you. Okay, let us get down to seriousness.
Russ: okay, Carrie.
Karra: so Carrie, yes what would you
like to know about her?
Russ: all I got was the part a little
bit about she's smoking a bit or........?
Karra: yes but she's cutting back.
Russ: she is? Oh good.
Karra: uh-huh. We explained to her
about cravings, some of the bizarre cravings that
she would go through. The fact that she wants to
make love but has no urge.
Karra: we told her that would come
back, we explained to her every bit in detail all
the things that she is going to go through. She is
doing fine, she is a classic, pregnant young lady.
Karra: there is nothing exceptional
about her and nothing negative going on. The baby
is developing fine, it
is developing fingers, toes and feet. It hasn't
got to the point where you can read fingerprints
or hear a regular heartbeat although that is
getting close. We have given her a whole load of
things to do that will make her closer with the
Russ: oh good.
Karra: at the moment the thoughts are
random and uncontrolled and therefore it is not a
coherent thought process. By week 12, it will
start to develop thought processes.
the time she is six months pregnant, she will be
able to communicate telepathically. This is one of
our teaching methods that we use. The reason that
the children up here have such a bond with us
parents is that we communicate telepathically with
them. This is going to have a twofold sword on
what we gave her to do. It will create a tighter
link between her and the baby and hopefully create
a telepathic link between mother and child later
Russ: now what about psychic skills
while in womb?
Karra: they would develop like any
Karra: I believe Kiri covered all the
abilities that the baby will have a potential
Russ: did she? Oh.
Russ: okay good, it's all on tape.
John: no, no Kiri's conversation
Russ: oh that's right, it wasn't.
Karra: no and it is best that it
Russ: okay, we'll leave it as such
Karra: yeah because that is between
us and Carrie.
Russ: okay. Now what were you going
to say before?
Russ: before we got into Carrie.
Karra: sorry, your erased my mind
when you started me thinking on Carrie.
Russ: oh I'm sorry hon.
Karra: that's all right.
Russ: it must be hard to do.
Karra: well actually it brought up
things that were on the lower levels that were on
the back burner that now come to the front burner.
Russ: okay. So humor, important from
our point of view to give her.
Russ: I can do that.
Karra: love and support.
Karra: yeah, tell her that she can
call whenever she wants somebody to talk to.
Karra: regardless of day or
time, night, whatever. Because she will at times
get a little bit unstable. That is something that
you must understand and bear with. She may phone
up and be crying saying that Mike doesn't love her
etc. Mike does love her very much, otherwise he
would not have tolerated some of her behavior.
Because she can throw quite a temper tantrum.
Russ: well we'll tell her to call
whenever she wants.
Russ: bill it to us or whatever.
Karra: yeah instead of screaming and
shouting at Mike, tell her that she can call and
scream and shout at you guys.
Russ: she would have more fun that
Karra: yes and besides, you know how
to make her laugh.
Russ: of course. She can call me a
butthead until her ears turn blue, I don't mind.
Karra: well Mike loves her probably
more than you will ever know.
Russ: I agree.
Karra: in fact I think he worships
the ground that she walks on and she's
not aware of how much.....
Russ: well she will when the baby
Karra: yeah. I think Mike will be the
one that will be getting up and changing the
Russ: oh yeah absolutely.
Karra: I think he will absolutely
adore his little child. Spoil it rotten. And if
anything, and this is something that Carrie must
be made aware of, after
the baby has been born and after she has gotten
over her postpartum depression is the hours that
he will be working will be a lot longer. This
isn't because he doesn't love Carrie and he wants
to be away from the baby, it's because he loves
the baby and Carrie that he will work longer and
Russ: yeah to support them.
Karra: yeah to make life better for
Karra: he will probably
give himself ulcers and bend over backwards and
hurt himself and carry on going as if nothing is
wrong. So Carrie will have to be very careful not
to step on his toes when he is busting as you
would say his gut to bring home the bread.
Russ: okay good.
Karra: but don't bring that up until
after she's gotten over the depression part.
Russ: right, I'll bring it up during
the depression part.
Karra: yes very smart move and you
will have me to deal with.
Russ: of course I wouldn't, I'm going
to have you in my head and who's going tell me not
Russ: so what do I have to worry
about? I rarely override you if I can help it.
Karra: but you do.
Russ: I have to sometimes. Because I
have to maintain I guess some kind of individual
sense, don't ask me why.
Karra: oh it's a male thing of sorts.
Russ: probably a male thing, I don't
Karra: okay, if Carrie was here she
would find that very funny.
Russ: yes she would.
Russ: working with people in
conversations on bringing about their
understanding and learning.......
Russ: this is a
form of healing correct?
Russ: how so?
Karra: by bringing out what is on
their mind, you can look at it, hold it up to the
sunlight, see the problem and address the problem,
simple as that.
Russ: but what does
Karra: you're healing by
words. You are looking at the problem, you're
addressing the situation and you're coming up with
an informed answer and by coming up
with an answer, you come up with a cure.
Karra: for example, if you take Iris.
Karra: she obviously has some scars.
Karra: okay she was injured by what
was said by the Zeta Reticuli and was injured
because she believed but looking deeper into it
she sees the lacking in continuity.
Russ: oh you mean the past lives.
Karra: okay she has been damaged. By
discussing it and being given a different point of
view, she is formulating by looking at one side
and the other side an answer. Is that not healing?
Russ: I couldn't argue with it if I
wanted to darling.
Russ: on no really, I don't have any
arguments to give you.
Russ: much as I'd like.....it was
Karra: okay well if you're not going
to argue, this conversation serves no further
John: this is what you would call
spiritual healing isn't it?
Karra: yes exactly, exactly.
Russ: you little teaser.
Karra: I'm teasing am I dear?
Russ: yes you are darling.
Karra: oh you know me too well.
Russ: yes I do.
Russ: I have to. Okay and then what
about the folks who are completely and totally
negative such as Abbul?
Russ: the healing there, you want to
just beat them over the head with a computer
monitor. While it's probably more my healing then
their's, I still try to talk to them and trying to
explain in a very slow, childlike manner. What
else can be done?
Karra: the way that you beat them is
show them love and compassion. You do not deviate
from your path because that would give them the
false sense of "I won, I won" and behave even more
childlike. How do you deal with a child that is
errant? Do you pick it up and say, "there, there,
that doesn't matter. You go ahead and do what's
wrong" or do you pick it up and say, "don't ever
do that again or I will spank you"? And if it does
it again, what you do? Do you pick it up and go,
"there, there, that doesn't matter", or do you
Russ: neither one.
Karra: sometimes it is the only way.
You've seen me spank Klarra.
(her youngest daughter)
Russ: yeah I know but I mean it's
like....I know, I've had this conversation with
Mark and Kiri and Tia already before about....
Karra: and me numerous times.
Russ: and you numerous times about
explaining what is actually wrong and why you
shouldn't do that and why kids would not pay
attention to that if you did.
Karra: sometimes they do not
understand and the only way is, "you pull that
cat's tails, you hurt the cat, the cat runs and
hides. How would you like it if I spank you?" If
you don't follow through, the child will go ahead
and pull the tail again and become cruel and
abusive towards cats. So by saying to the
cat...saying to the child, "you pull that cat's
tail again, I will spank you and spankings hurt."
The child goes off, pulls the feline's tail again,
you spank the child. You also explain that that is
wrong and if it pulls the tail again, it will get
the same treatment until it learns to stop. You
have a perfectly good or we have a perfectly good
pain mechanism but yet parents on your planet
today seem not to want to use that because it's
child abuse to inflict pain even if it is only
temporary pain. For example Russ, has your mother
ever spanked you?
Russ: whipped the living $&*^ out
Karra: let us take an example of when
you stole something from a shop.
Karra: your mother whipped the living
hell out of you did she not when she found out?
Russ: no my stepdad did.
Karra: okay you stepdad did, would
you do that again?
Russ: I did that again.
Karra: and what happened?
Russ: nothing, I didn't get caught.
Karra: didn't get caught. You worked
extra hard to make sure that you didn't get
Russ: well true yeah.
Karra: okay, let us take something
where you did get caught. You pick the subject
Russ: all right, oh I got caught
coming home late or I got caught sneaking out of
the house to go fishing.
Russ: my stepdad kicked the %$*#&
out of me then too.
Karra: did you do it again?
Russ: nope, didn't do it again that
Karra: okay, why not? Look at it
honestly, don't give me some psycho-dribble.
Russ: no I'm not, I didn't want to
get the &*%$# kicked out of me again.
John: you can't do that nowadays with
children, you'll be arrested.
Karra: exactly but Russ is a prime
example of why it works. Russ was only
temporarily, physically hurt, mentally there was
no damage but there was no permanent damage. You
have no permanent scars from that beating do you?
Russ: of course not.
Karra: do you have any mental scars
from that beating?
Russ: hell yes.
Karra: but they stopped you from
doing naughty things like that again?
Karra: so therefore it is not a scar,
but a memory.
Karra: any more questions?
Russ: that's it hon.
John: nope, not at this point.
Karra: okay. See you later love.
Russ: bye love.
John: see you honey.
(Tia finishes up things)
Tia: we'll have
to get you astral traveling bud,
you a good woman up here.
Tia: or a good man.
John: I prefer a woman.
Russ: got any good choices for women
up there who are after Johnny's butt there?
Tia: we can look around, we can
probably find somebody.
Tia: but apparently sleeping with a
third dimensional male is a little bit of
upmanship around here at the moment.
Russ: I don't have anybody banging on
Tia: what about Terri?
Russ: well Terri was.....I
was a breeding stud at that point.
Tia: what about Gonzo?
Russ: oh yeah, nevermind.
Tia: what about Lyka?
Russ: well Lyka was fun.
Tia: what about Luna?
Russ: Luna's a laugh a minute.
Tia: what about Kiri?
Russ: well Kiri, I mean that's just
Tia: incest is best.....
Russ: keep it in the family.
Tia: yeah okay, how much tape have
we got there Buwanna?
Russ: about 15 minutes.
Tia: no we only got about 10.
Russ: 15, 9:45.
John: about 11 minutes.
Russ: okay well it's 9:30 now guys so
we'll find out who's right and who's wrong.
Tia: okay it's 9:30.
Russ: okay now, who else is on
Tia: you're looking at it.
Russ: oh well, night's going downhill
from here then huh?
Tia: that is very impossible Russ, I
mean it can't get much lower with the mental level
that you're at.
Russ: okay, all right, all right
truce. That was pretty fun though.
Tia: I mean how can you get lower
from being down right at the very bottom core of
your planet. There isn't anywhere lower than that.
Russ: that's true. Hey that was a
nice little wrestling session with Mark tonight
Tia: do you know he could have
severely hurt you numerous times in that?
Russ: well of course I did, that's
what the fun was.
Tia: the fact that you....that he was
not retaliating properly?
Tia: the fact that he was trying to
relax, I heard him. Go, "knock it off, I'm trying
Russ: well we've never done that
Tia: he's quick isn't he?
Russ: hey, he's very quick.
Tia: very agile too.
Russ: yeah I'll have to practice
John: yeah he knocked you on your ass
Russ: well we kept going back and
forth, it was funner than hell.
Tia: yeah but he took you down real
quick and easy.
Russ: yeah he got me off balance or
Tia: I don't think you should push
Mark too much, from
what I heard, there is a point where if you react
in a certain way, Mark's body...his mind takes
over, it's all
automatic and very dangerous and quick. There is a
story that he tells and I believe he's told you,
he's told me it a couple of times because
I did it to him on one occasion and triggered a
reaction that scared the hell out of me.
Tia: yeah is that
Mark will respond in a certain situation that
his....he appears to shut down but react like a
machine, a robot, like
somebody's programmed him. And that is something
to watch is, you watch his eyes because his eyes
will go blank and he's not aware of what he's
Tia: it's very dangerous because
twice I believe he's come close to severely
hurting somebody, probably
higher. I know that his eyes went blank on me and
Kiri stepped in.
Russ: coerced him?
Tia: yeah stopped him dead, cold in
his tracks, froze him.
Russ: I'll bet she did.
Tia: yeah, she knew what happened.
Russ: she's quick, quicker
then Mark I think.
Tia: yeah well she had to be at that
point because I mean he could have hurt me from
what he said, very easily. Even my speed and
Russ: what did you do to him?
Tia: I can't remember offhand, I'd
have to think a second. I started to advance on
him and I brought my foot up, he caught my foot as
I brought it up and he started to flick it up but
he stepped in on my other foot.
Russ: you were play
fighting or something?
Tia: yeah play fighting, we do that
from time to time.
Russ: oh okay.
Tia: and he stepped on my foot and he
had his one foot on my foot whilst pushing my leg
up and Kiri stopped him because he would've just
carried on going pushing my leg higher and higher
until I was almost split.
Russ: lucky for you.
Russ: you would have to spend some
time in rejuve lab.
Tia: well he would've broken my leg.
Russ: maybe a flashback for him.
Tia: probably damage my pelvis as
Russ: didn't help that he would've
felt really guilty afterwards......
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: felt it was really you know his
fault and it would've been.
Tia: no it wouldn't be his fault.
Russ: it wouldn't?
Tia: he's been programmed.
Russ: maybe he could break the
Tia: the question is, is it something
that is ingrained that deep that only comes out
occasionally. You break
the program, you might break the machine.
Russ: true. Any news for the web, for
the page for this week?
Tia: from me? Well we
can't include the dogfight unfortunately, the big
Russ: why not? Why, I wasn't planning
on putting it in unless Taal
came in and told me about it?
Tia: no, oh you want the official
report from the dogfight?
Tia: okay, I can have that in...
(speaks to one of the
technicians in the channeling room)
thank you...no...just the report.....yeah
thank you......glasses too thank you. Okay at
0302, patrol Alpha, Alpha Zeta....funny
coincidence.....on patrol over Kazakhstan spotted
a flight of eight. Flight Alpha Zeta moved in to
investigate. The flight attacked but was chased
off, no damage
to either party. The patrol continued on its
flight. Over lower Siberia, a force of 36 craft
approached a flight of three from flight Alpha
Zeta. Flight Alpha Zeta requested backup in a tone
of voice that denoted concern. A dog fight ensued.
Two flights were scrambled and sent to the
situation. At this point the lead craft from
flight Alpha Zeta was damaged and put in a
situation where it no longer had the firing
capability. It withdrew from the battle. As it
withdrew it requested another flight to be sent. A
flight was sent. In the ensuing melee, 13 aircraft
were destroyed of the hostile force. Backup for
flight Alpha Zeta and the other flights that had
shown up on the scene occurred. Three more flights
were sent in giving a total of, total of 21 craft
being involved in the dogfight. Of these, five
were damaged, all repairable. One was destroyed,
fortunately the pilot ejected over a area of
middle Siberia near an area of Tunguska......very
strange and coincidental......one pilot was
injured due to exuberant celebration before being
extracted from the cockpit of the craft.
John: put his
hand through the visor.
aircraft are now fully operational and a
replacement aircraft or two replacement aircraft
have arrived on the base with a new pilot. End of
Russ: thank you.
Tia: Taal could have given a much
better report. It would go something along the
lines of, "well we were watching our six and I
came up on the inside and we came in above the
aircraft as it pulled a negative inside loop."
Russ: I am going to assume that we're
not going to add the part about the pilot having a
slight mistaken identity?
(a possible case of
John: yeah, yeah, I was going to......
Tia: no, it is being
investigated. It is not being investigated by
Ashtar command, it is being investigated.......
Russ: oh it's not?
Tia: because it did not involve an
Russ: the pilot wasn't part of Ashtar
personnel? He was....
Tia: they're not, none of them are.
Russ: oh they're not? They're
Tia: yeah, basically.
Russ: I mean, how can you say...not
say that they work for Ashtar command because they
take direct orders from...
Tia: no, it's a mutual thing. They do
things for us and we do things for them.
Russ: oh, Ashtar Command suggests
something and they do it.
Tia: yes. However, if he is found
guilty Russ, that's it for him. If he is found
guilty of negligence right? They all know that
their flying days are over. Basically it's a death
sentence for them.
Russ: I don't doubt that.
because they were originally genetically
engineered for one purpose and one purpose only,
to fly and that is so ingrained into them. You
take Taal's little one right? He's already been
up in a few craft.
Russ: oh really?
Tia: yeah, Taal
took him to Sirius if you remember.
Russ: oh yeah.
Tia: for the
Russ: for the
Tia: in Taal's
craft, he sat in between Taal's legs.
instinctual for them.
Russ: well he
could go on training couldn't he?
John: so Taal's
son will become a pilot, is that you're saying?
something that's inbred that's fixed.
correct....yeah. It's so ingrained....
John: he's not
going to be a scientist or an engineer or
Tia: he will be
a pilot, he is genetically bred or they were
genetically bred for that purpose. Your planet
talks about natural pilots right? There's no
such thing as a natural pilot on your planet
because your planet hasn't had flight long
enough for it to become common.
Tia: there are
people on your planet now that still remember a
time where flight was unheard of, or powered
flight. In Taal's race, they have been flying
spacecraft for close to 2,000 years.
Tia: they have
had flight for probably 2,500 years. So you're
talking about a race that has been in space for
2,000 years and I'm not talking space as in the
space shuttle, being able to travel from one
planet to another. They are designed for the
specific function and reactions.....I mean I'm
fast, my reactions are fast.
planet are they from or is it are they just from
from a planet but because they're genetically
engineered or were originally genetically
engineered, it is something that is debatable.
Russ: they have
Tia: we're both
wrong Russ, it's over 15 minutes.
Tia: okay, so
there is a root race but they've been
genetically altered where that is their primary
function is flying spaceships. Whether it is a
freighter, or a combat ship, or a transport
ship, or a huge colony ship, that is what they
are designed for, is to navigate, to fly.
John: these are
the blue guys that we're talking about now
correct. That is what they are primarily bred
for. Some of them can do ground control, the
older ones are ground control because they know
they no longer have the reflexes but they still
have the reflexes to make a snap decision for a
flight of aircraft.
Russ: now when
they grab the big colony ships, where do they
Tia: well they
normally fly backwards and forwards from bases
and stuff. Or they take groups of individuals
from one place to another. For example, if you
have a particularly dangerous colony mission
where you're taking let's say 2,000 individuals
to a colony. Let's say your planet's doing this
right? And listen carefully to what I'm going to
say. Your planet is colonizing let's say a
planet orbiting Alpha Centauri right? Okay,
let's say you have to navigate through some very
nasty asteroids right? An asteroid field.......
Tia: to get
there. Now, this gentleman takes an entrance
exam, enters the Academy and becomes an
incredible pilot and ends up actually being the
pilot in charge of that flight. Now
unfortunately, during the flight he can't get to
his "favorite drink" and his skin turns blue.
That's what some of them do.
That's what some of them actually do is work in
the third dimension. Because there isn't really
enough of a living up here for them to make. You
see they once were or their root race was a
third dimensional race. They're sixth
dimensional now because they are linked to their
ships, their ships are almost constantly.....
Russ: they could
fly for like an Air Force or something down
Tia: there is
none on your planet.
Tia: I'm taking
it as a hypothetical situation. I'm not going to
Yeager happens to have blue skin
underneath that or Pappy
Russ: too short.
Tia: or what's
his name, Grissom....no
Grissom's too short.....Campbell or Carpenter
They're not blue guys okay?
Tia: uh-huh. But
that's the sort of thing that they end up doing
some of them is that they relinquish their sixth
dimensional heritage to fulfill what they're
dimensional flight, flying period.
Russ: yeah but
wouldn't that mean they might come up against
the guys from the base?
Tia: in a
unlikely mainly because most of the missions
that they're on are peaceful exploration
missions. Occasionally they will bump into their
colleagues from the base or from bases right?
Russ: like if
they go to work for the Pleiadians or something
and they meet when the Hades Base ships stop for
Russ: go "hey
how's it going, how's mom and dad? Well good to
Tia: no it's
normally along the lines of that's where
telepathy comes into play.
Tia: they can't
walk up, shake hands and happen to blow their
cover, they can't do that.
Tia: it's more
along the lines of....
private mode and communicate and ask how
everything is going and pass on messages.
Because yeah the blue guys, they see auras, they
know when there is a pilot on board a ship.
Tia: uh-huh. Now
if the pilot is injured, they will come on and
board and set up a situation where it appears he
gets killed, a fight breaks out and then they
will take him home and get him fixed up. Change
his face and send him back to the place or he
could stay in the sixth dimension. I think
Taal's has done a tour like that.
Russ: oh really?
Tia: uh-huh. I
think, I'm only assuming, I'm guessing all
right, right. Interesting.
interesting to know.
Tia: yeah. So I
mean, when you talk about natural pilots on your
planet, no there is no such thing.
John: not yet.
Tia: not yet.
John: we've got
to be evolved more.
Tia: you've got
to have a heritage of in one family, let's take
200 years where they have continuously, the
father and mother......it's got to be father and
mother......all the way back to great, great
whatever grandmother it is and grandfather, have
to be pilots.
Tia: they have
to have piloting skill. For example, let us say
your mother right? Take her back in time...
Russ: was Amilia
Tia: yeah right
and she married....
Russ: she would
be my grandmother.
Tia: yeah your
grandmother was Amilia Ehrhardt who married
let's say Chuck Yeager.
Bell I mean Albert
Tia: okay, and
their son happens to be Chuck Yeager and
marries...female pilot....the one who just
qualified the F-16.
Tia: yeah. And
so on all the way down right? You've got 10
generations right? Of pilots. The 11th
generation is not a natural pilot but there is
that possibility that might be.
Tia: the 12th,
there's more of a chance of being a natural
pilot but not totally. The 13th, again the same
thing. The 14th, the same again. The 15th, more
than likely but not definitely a natural......
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