SIDE
ONE
(A slightly hungover Tia gets the
session going)
Russ: how are you doing Tia?
Tia: hmm, a little hung over.
(Russ chuckles)
Russ: had a little party last night without us?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: well good for you. Yeah, you were definitely
more concerned with Mark's well-being when going to
parties I suppose.
Tia: I'm sure he appreciates it.
Russ: he seems much better for it today. So........
Tia: so, what are we going to talk about? You want
to know about farsighting?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: okay, go ahead, fire away.
Russ: okay. Well basically, yeah, into farsighting,
I'm stopping up there now on a regular basis to see
Karra during the afternoons during work.....
Tia: uh-huh. Yes, we are aware.
Russ: and practicing on that.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I want to practice tonight getting to you
without Mark's assist.
Tia: well sure.
Russ: anything in the way I should look out for?
Tia: tell you what.
Russ: huh?
Tia: look for Treebeard's........(solarium)?
Russ: right, that's easy enough.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay.
Tia: it's in the tree.
Russ: yeah, so stop in on the side of that.
Tia: that's right, not too close though.
Russ: yeah, I would come walking out of the tree, be
a little bit embarrassing. So did you open Mark's
present yet or are you waiting for tonight?
Tia: waiting for him to get here.
Russ: oh good. Okay, well we'll have some exciting
times coming up here.
Tia: uh-huh. So you're looking to find out about
farsighting?
Russ: yeah. First off, is there a way that I can
work on going solid up there by doing.....
Tia: so........
Russ: oh, I was going to say doing a negative
feedback loop?
Tia: to increase your stamina, you need to practice
and to go solid it's a matter of trial and error.
What Mark has been saying for not too long, is that
you're pretty close to going solid. We concur in
this.
Russ: okay. These little ten minute jaunts of mine
and stuff are fun but I don't know how close they
are to getting me going solid. It just seems like
each time it gets a little better, a little easier.
Tia: take it a little longer each time. You've got
to learn how to run before you can walk or you've
got to learn how to wedge before you can ski.
Russ: very true. Is there any tips that you can give
me about my little ten minute jaunts that might be
an assist?
Tia: just relax. Try looking around more.
Russ: okay.
Tia: more information, more visual input.
Russ: oh, so like details?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: lots of them.
Tia: lots of little details.
Russ: okay, because right now I'm mostly just
concentrating on people in the room. Mainly Karra
and Klarra.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, good idea. Shoot for details.
Tia: do this in order to expand your stamina.
Looking for small clues like maybe a spot on the
floor somewhere. Things like that.
Russ: good tip.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, so that's it for farsighting.
Tia: is that all?
Russ: well that's it for now because just like you
say, it's trial and error. I don't want to get in
too much information that I can't process without
experience.
Tia: that's the most important thing that they keep
on telling us is to learn by your own experiences.
It's best to get little bits, process that
information, learn it, then use it.
Russ: uh-huh, I'll try that tonight. Well now you've
been working with Kornas on genetics, correct?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I've got kind of a genetic question.
Tia: okay.
Russ: okay, on Karra's healing, I have it down here
in my notes to ask is it tied in to genetics?
Tia: yes it is.
Russ: okay.
Tia: Carla?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: oh.
Russ: Karra.
Tia: Karra or Carla?
Russ: Karra.
Tia: oh, Karra. I thought you said Carla.
Russ: no, Karra Tia.
Tia: oh.
Russ: now would that healing then.....
Tia: be passed on to Klarra.
Russ: yeah.
Tia: correct.
Russ: okay, and also, could you do healing on a
genetic level?
Tia: yes and no. The more pronounced defects are
harder to cure. Mild ones are easier to cure.
Somebody that may have seven toes instead of the
regular number.
Russ: right.
Tia: that can be cured. But something more serious
where an individual may have extremely large bumps
on their face and be mentally unbalanced, that's
much harder to cure.
Russ: oh.
Tia: because you basically have to deconstruct the
individual and then reconstruct them. Apart from
cloning there's no other way to do it.
Russ: okay. Well for example, we start off our life
with perfect or nearly perfect genes and molecules
and.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: cells and stuff I should say.
Tia: you inherit the basic pattern from your
parents.
Russ: right.
Tia: and if a parent has blue eyes and the other
parent has brown eyes, then it is a 50-50 chance
that that baby may acquire the brown eyes or blue
eyes.
Russ: the male genes would be.....
Tia: more dominant.
Russ: now then, what I'm getting to though is going
into old age, those cells start to break down and
start to become more fragile let's say.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but with healing, is there a way to reverse
that process?
Tia: yes there is. There is basically a form of
rejuvenation.
Russ: right. But now, how long would that last? It
seems like you'd have to maintain constant energy to
keep that process in reversal.
Tia: no. To reverse it to a point, say for example
you rejuvenate yourself in say 50 years, go back 50
years, right?
Russ: right.
Tia: you would appear to be the age that you were
years ago.
Russ: okay. Now, in that case, we're dealing with
working on a cellular level.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: what kind of insight would you need to do
that?
Tia: you would need to be able to know how to break
down the cells and replace them with new, fresh
cells.
Russ: right.
Tia: and young cells as well instead of cells that
fit somebody that is older. You need to be able to
create and infuse them with cells that are much
younger.
Russ: so you need samples of both under a
microscope.
Tia: uh-huh. So that you can compare the new that
was with the old person that is and be able to come
back to that point.
Russ: right. So you couldn't actually reverse the
process in the older cells. You'd have to replace
them.
Tia: me personally?
Russ: I mean me personally.
Tia: that's correct. You would have to replace the
cells with new, fresh, young cells.
Russ: now the body creates these cells, correct?
Tia: yes.
Russ: so if you could stimulate the body to create
new cells.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: then you could reverse the process.
Tia: you'd have to also stimulate the memory of the
cells of what they were fifty years previously as
well.
Russ: because the organ producing the cells wouldn't
know the difference.
Tia: is there somebody outside?
Russ: hmm.......
Tia: I hear scratching at the door.
Russ: oh, that would be Joey, Mark's cat.
Tia: feline domesticus craziness.
Russ: that's the one. Okay.....
Tia: trying to break in and enter, is it?
Russ: well more like attention getting.
Tia: ahhh.
Russ: okay, so, what I need to do is find what makes
cells.
Tia: it is caused by a command from the brain to
various parts of the anatomy to replace the cells.
For example, a command would be given from the brain
to the hand to release the command to repair the
cells in that area to stimulate the growth of the
skin tissue.
Russ: what makes the cells become cells?
Tia: you'd have to ask Kornas honestly.
Russ: okay, but it's a start.
Tia: got into a very deep subject, hmm?
Russ: well healing has kind of gotten my attention
lately due to the fact that I've had some problems
with my knees and stuff. Working on........
Tia: oh, Karra was meant to work on them.
Russ: well she did an awesome job but it still gets
aggravated when I kneel on it.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: so what I've been doing is putting some
healing energies into my shields to generate........
Tia: you could try ice packs also and heat packs as
well to help increase the healing process. The mind
that it is untrained in one particular healing
method takes time. It probably accelerates the
healing process by a about a third but with proper
help as well to boost it. For example, pushing an
ice pack for it, heat pad and massaging it and
putting various ointments speeds up the process.
Russ: where I guess the point I'm into at this point
is to find out what I can do.
Tia: ahh, so you're using your injury as an
experiment to use your mind.
Russ: right, I'm pushing myself to what I think
might be my limits and then go beyond them. So when
I'm not using artificial means or when I get better
I'll know it was me that did it, not the means I
used.
Tia: what else you can also do is, do you know the
bone structure of the affected limb?
Russ: I haven't studied it. I do have a book that
details it out pretty good.
Tia: okay. If I had a pair of glasses I'd lower them
down to my nose.
Russ: okay, we're going back to bone structures.
Tia: if you visualize bone structure.............is
that, which one is that?
Russ: that's Calvin. Get off there.
Tia: it's all right, it's all right, let him stay
on.
Russ: all right.......
Tia: we'll play with him.
Russ: okay.
Tia: we've been watching holograms.
Various.....remember when Omal asked about, "who is
Bugs Bunny?"
Russ: right, cartoons.
Tia: yes, we have them in holograms up here.
Russ: really?
Tia: we've been amusing ourselves with the computer
and generating holograms.
Russ: that sounds like fun.
Tia: uh-huh. We were able to get ahold of various
cartoon characters, Roger Rabbit?
Russ: yeah, Roger Rabbit.
(Russ chuckles at that)
Russ: Jessica Rabbit.
Tia: yes, Jessica Rabbit. Oh, Jessica Rabbit.
Russ: right, babelicious.
Tia: I think Mark would appreciate that.
Russ: yes.....
Tia: I'll see if I can get a dress like that.
Russ: okay.
Tia: although I don't think my legs are long enough.
We're being obviously sidetracked.
Russ: yes, we're back to bone structures.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, I do have pictures of detailed bone
structures.
Tia: what I suggest you do is look at them.
Russ: okay.
Tia: remember them and then visualize the damage to
your knee being healed. Actually see the bone, say
you take a chip off of it, top of your knee.
Russ: right.
Tia: actually visualizing new bone replacing it.
Summoning your energy and that feeling down to your
knee.
Russ: hmm. I think at this point it's either a
muscle or possibly the disk where.....
Tia: uh-huh, the cartilage.
Russ: yeah, the ball socket thing.
Tia: ball and socket is in the hip.
Russ: oh, what would it be then?
Tia: it's more of an upper joint.
Russ: okay. Anyway, I'll check it out and see what I
can pull off here but yeah, that is my current
project also is getting in some healing stuff.
Tia: uh-huh. So what you will do is visualize let's
say it's the muscle, visualize the muscle red and
inflamed and slowly cooled and..........
Russ: right.
Tia: you follow?
Russ: I see what you're talking about.
Tia: you can use this process as well on things like
colds.
(Tia pass through Mark's body)
Tia: especially colds.
Russ: especially colds.
Tia: yes.
Russ: okay, thank you. Are you the only one......?
Tia: no, we have a very subdued young lady sitting
in the corner.
Russ: Kiri, huh?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: unusual to say the least.
Tia: she is listening with interest as we both have
been doing a lot of studying together on genetics.
Russ: hmmm, okay.
Tia: various genetic properties and as she is our
resident genetic experiment as well.
Russ: ahh yes. Well going back to the cell part,
when you're replacing the old cells with the new
cells, I assume the old cells then go out to the
skin and get dropped off so the new cells are in
need to become new skin.
Tia: correct.
Russ: okay.
Tia: you have to do this process all the way down
through because with age your bones become brittle.
Russ: right.
Tia: and the muscles as well will have to have the
cell structure strengthened and improved.
Russ: so in other words, you have to go from head to
toe?
Tia: correct.
Russ: everything.
Tia: from the skull, to the muscle tissue, to the
actual tissue, to the very skin. So it's not
replacing just one small part, it's replacing
everything.
Russ: wow.
Tia: that's why it's such a major undertaking and so
hard to do.
(Russ whistles)
Tia: not only do you have to replace bone structure,
you also have to replace blood, all sorts of tissue,
all sorts of organisms and intestines and so on.
Russ: God.
Tia: it's a major job.
Russ: very major.
Tia: it's not something that can be done overnight.
It takes time and energy. There are artificial ways
that do the same thing but you're not ready yet for
that kind of information.
Russ: yeah, I'd rather work on it myself here.
Tia: you could get you a major medical prize if you
could re-create some of the equipment we have up
here and medical practices.
Russ: uh-huh. So that's how you maintain your long
lives then?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: do some healing over here on a cat in a few
minutes.
Tia: who's beating who?
Russ: right now it's a standoff.
Tia: hey cats, kick back, relax, be cool.
(Tia speaks to the cats in Durondedunn)
Tia: did that work?
Russ: that worked. Now, is there a way instead of
going through the whole body......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: do something on a minor level to just test it
out. Say for example....
Tia: you mean cosmetic stuff?
Russ: no, I'm not so worried about cosmetics as
that's outward appearance......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I'm more concerned with the brain.
Tia: you want to rejuvenate your brain?
Russ: well for example like memory.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: whereby in older age you get more......
Tia: forgetful.
Russ: yeah, you lose memory and you lose brain
cells.
Tia: hmm, you don't lose memory capacity, it's just
that things get forgotten. It's like a computer,
once it is told something it doesn't forget it
unless you wipe the disc, correct?
Russ: right.
Tia: and that is what the mind is like. But if you
don't label it correctly and don't store it properly
it's very hard to find.
Russ: ahhh.
Tia: so it's a matter of..........here's a good
analogy is that Mark was looking for a book that he
read or was reading. And he was looking and he was
looking he couldn't find it. And then he remembered
that he was reading it about about ten years ago?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: it wasn't addressed correctly but the book had
never been finished. It was that the memory came
that he'd been reading the book. And it was sort of
like, "where did I put that book?"
Russ: right.
Tia: you understand the analogy?
Russ: yeah, now I have stuff I think is déjà
vu.........
Tia: but an actual fact it's things that have
happened in the past.
Russ: right. It just similar circumstances that
rehappened again.
Tia: and it reminds you of that that has already
happened.
Russ: sure. Okay, so back to brain, so we have to go
down to a cellular level with the brain.....
Tia: uh-huh. Every minor or major parts of the body
has to be replaced if you're going to do some
regenerative.
Russ: well the problem is I don't have a model of
what my brain and body were like fifty years ago.
How do we get around that little problem.
Tia: you say you are that old? I'm using fifty as a
number.
Russ: well theoretically let's go ten years.
Twenty-three? Yeah, that's better.
Tia: you want to be twenty-three again? You want to
be my age?
Russ: not really, but just for.....
Tia: with my problems?
Russ: hypothetical. Problems? You don't have any
problems.
Tia: I've got one that they won't let me do.
(Hunting live animals)
Russ: oh yeah. Okay, so yeah, let's take it ten
years.
Tia: okay.
Russ: I don't have a sample of my body or brain from
ten years ago. Does my body and brain remember the
cell structure from ten years ago?
Tia: yes, it does. You have to activate that memory.
Russ: correct. Now, how do....
Tia: you do that?
Russ: activate the memory, right.
Tia: I haven't read a book that far yet, I don't
know.
Russ: okay. I'm on the right track.
Tia: correct. It's a matter of looking for that
memory that will trigger the memory of what
everything was like ten years ago.
Russ: hmmm. Would having a memory of some point ten
years ago help?
Tia: possibly. Maybe a photograph of you doing
something.
Russ: yeah. I was thinking more like a major event
that I might have taken.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: taken part in perhaps.
Tia: yes, that might help as well but you have to do
many things. Okay, we're going to hand over to our
resident lunatic.
Russ: oh, excellent. Omal's coming in.
(Russ chuckles)
Just kidding.
Tia: you'll see Omal later.
Russ: okay, well I can deal with Karra.....or Kiri I
mean.
Tia: Karra's off getting dressed so that she that
can surprise you.
Russ: oh, really?
Tia: I'm going to go off and get into something
outrageous.
Russ: even better.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, thank you Tia.
Tia: see you in a little while.
Russ: going to leave me along with the crazy one,
all right.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: sounds good.
Tia: okay.
Russ: bye-bye, see you later.
(It's Kiri's turn to speak and
gets us to the end of the side)
Russ: I thought that was you coming in.
Kiri: uh-huh. I've been thinking.
Russ: oh oh.
Kiri: nothing to worry about, nothing major. Not the
pregnancy blues type thing.
Russ: oh good. Melancholy baby.
(Kiri begins singing)
Kiri: "and I feel blue". Isn't that from that song?
Russ: yes it is.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: very good. One question before we get into
anything else but Mark is going over some tapes of
the other night where you were in and you did
something coming onto the tape and I said I would
explain it to Mark later.
Kiri: you mean something like this?
Russ: yes, that's it, right. So you're wiggling
fingers to your nose with your thumb to your
nose......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: thumbing your nose. That's it.
Kiri: yes.
Russ: good.
Kiri: we don't have quite the hand eye coordination.
Russ: so you're thumbing your mustache at him.
Kiri: I don't have a mustache.
(Russ laughs)
Russ: I know.
Kiri: why don't you go and stick your head in a
bucket of water?
Russ: I wouldn't have as much fun if I did that. So
how are you Kiri?
Kiri: well I'm trying to motivate myself. I've been
doing some work and some thinking, lots of things
since last night.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: I was listening to Tia talking and I was nice
and relaxed and mellow. Looking forward to curling
up in front of an artificial, holographic fire and
he really shouldn't work so hard.
Russ: none of us should work this hard but it's a
making a living type thing.
Kiri: well, if you want to ski.
Russ: that's right.
Kiri: since you're not involved with higher beings
where you can eat free of charge and ski when they
let you?
Russ: well, we're working up toward that point. Give
us a few lifetimes, we'll be there.
Kiri: yeah. Do you know what Mark's getting me?
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: what is it, it feels soft?
Russ: I can't tell you obviously.
Kiri: why not?
Russ: well that's what surprises are all about.
Kiri: oh.
Russ: it's like I can't find out what he got me
until we opened it last night and found out.
Kiri: if I can use yourself, what did he give you?
Russ: you're asking me all the tough questions
today.
Kiri: tough questions first.
Russ: it was a book on Nostradamus which was really
well written on prophecies of the.......
Kiri: It can't be anything like that, I'm try to
reason it out. It's a soft package. Oh well,
nevermind.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: I'll figure it out.
Russ: well.......
Kiri: take it down get x-rayed.
Russ: I don't think that will help.
Kiri: but you guys are going to be up here quickly
anyway.
Russ: yeah, we're going to be up there soon.
Kiri: any sensible questions?
Russ: sensible..........
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you want sensible?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh God.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: this'll be a tough one.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: okay, how about on shields? That's sensible.
Kiri: okay, let's see what we can do.
Russ: okay, let's see what we can do. On the
question of offensive shielding.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: going over my notes of the tapes that I
transcribed, I show that offensive
shielding is the capability to send a person's
energy back at them if they direct it at you.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: which in which case you would need a specially
designed shield to do so.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now then, the shield I have in mind for that
would be concave.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: like a cable or satellite dish.
Kiri: uh-huh. How about something
like.........what's that sport you do during the
summer?
Russ: golf?
Kiri: uh-huh. How about an object like that?
Russ: a golf ball?
Kiri: it's got lots of little concaves there.
Russ: yeah?
Kiri: uh-huh. Wouldn't that be much more efficient?
Russ: don't they rotate? I mean your shields rotate
offensively, would your shields rotate or would they
stay.......
Kiri: well, you'll be able to rotate them. But of
course if you're using offensive, you don't need to
rotate
them because if you're reflecting energy back at
somebody, you need a surface that is stationary,
right?
Russ: whole bunch of little concaves.
Kiri: uh-huh. It means that you don't have to rotate
them.
Russ: wow, you could get them from any direction at
all.
Kiri: could work. See? I'm not just a pretty face.
Russ: I never said you were.
Kiri: you mean I'm not a pretty face?
(Russ laughs at that)
Kiri: come close and I'll scratch your eyes out if I
had the hand eye coordination.
Russ: you could scratch my nose maybe. Now then,
question on aggressive shielding.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now then, going back over my notes
there.......
Kiri: hmmm?
Russ: I have it that aggressive shielding you would
cover somebody up in your outer shield........
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and either sic say like Mark's Dragon on them
or my panther.........
Kiri: grrrrrrrrrrr.
Russ: and then sucks energy.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: how would I explain that to my logical sense
here?
Kiri: hmmm.
Russ: does the panther suck the energy in?
Kiri: yes. Because the panther is part of you so you
use the panther to suck in the energy. A bit like,
what's that fictitious character that sucks fluid
from their bodies?
Russ: a vampire.
Kiri: uh-huh. Well that's not what I was thinking
of, I was thinking of a fictitious character.
Russ: fictitious character...........Dracula?
Kiri: uh-huh. Because vampires don't actually do
this.
Russ: vampire bats.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: yeah. Okay, so the panther would suck the
energy in?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: ohhhhh, leaving the victim helpless.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: theoretical. So, the question comes up when to
use offensive and when to use aggressive?
Kiri: well that's up to you.
Russ: right. It would be the severity of the attack
I assume?
Kiri: yes.
Russ: would determine that.
Kiri: uh-huh, or the mood that you're in. Or if it's
a friend that's upset with you.
Russ: ahh. Because aggressive would be a a bit of
overkill in some situations?
Kiri: oh certainly.
Russ: okay, question I have on coercion.
Kiri: hmmm?
Russ: it seems as though looking back over our
experiences over the last ten weeks or so.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that coercion has been actively used from you
guys on us on a fun kind of basis?
Kiri: such as?
Russ: well for example Mark's finding the pig
people.
(A race of beings on another third dimensional
planet)
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: he says he stumbled upon them.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: it seems like an awfully lucky stroke of
coincidence that he would just suddenly stumble onto
like that.
Kiri: I can't answer that question because at whole
time when that was started way back when I was
elsewhere. I was working in a completely different
department.
Russ: well I just wanted to mention that
everything's fine, we don't mind.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: we both discussed it and we definitely approve
of it, it's just we wanted to get clear on something
that might not exactly be of our own thoughts.
Kiri: yeah. May I make a statement?
Russ: sure.
Kiri: when Tia's around if you refrain from
mentioning Mark's medical programs. Mark hasn't
discussed them but met with Tia.
Russ: did I?
Kiri: no, you haven't yet but.....
Russ: oh, thank you. I'll make sure I don't.
Kiri: uh-huh. Because she does worry about things.
She still a little girl basically.
Russ: you're not.
Kiri: well, I'm only ten years younger than my big
sister.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: you know how old she is.
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: she's ancient.
Russ: ancient? I won't mention that. I can get us
both into the trouble there.
Kiri: uh-huh. She said it.
Russ: okay. Thinking of my grandmother.
Kiri: go on.
Russ: anyway, looking forward to seeing you at the
party tonight.
Kiri: yeah. Well, we're out here, we're gonna blow
this joint.
Russ: oh Kiri.
Kiri: we're going to act like a stick of dynamite
and blow it.
Russ: I'll see you in a few.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: ciao.
Russ: ciao.
SIDE
ONE ENDS
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SIDE TWO
(Omal comes on after some
humorous moment)
Russ: good evening Omal.
Omal: we have to amuse ourselves.
Russ: well that's good, glad we can help. So how
are you tonight?
Omal: we are functioning adequately within
specified parameters. Don't know about the
channeler though.
Russ: he has a little bit of a cough.
Omal: yes. Okay, we're going to discuss
manifestation.
Russ: yes, tonight is manifestation on the
schedule.
Omal: yes, we are also going to add coercion.
Russ: oh good.
Omal: yes, due to the fact that you are cramming
at the moment. Not for an exam though but cramming
as much knowledge as possible into the limited
space and time due to the fact that you are
neglecting your studies due to this period of
jobification.
Russ: yeah, well it's when we got our worst work
areas.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: anyway, agreed. Time for cramming.
Omal: yes, to make up for the two days you have
neglected plus the upcoming day that you going to
neglect.
Russ: yes, where are we going to neglect it?
Omal: well we feel that you might want to relax
and kick back at that time.
Russ: okay.
Omal: as this seems to be your custom to celebrate
the start of something or the end of something.
Russ: Friday? New Year's Day?
Omal: uh-huh. Presumably that is what it is. Okay,
down to business. Which one do you wish to start
with first, coercion or manifestation?
Russ: let's start with coercion.
Omal: okay, I'll try to wing this one.
Russ: would you want to switch over, do
manifestation first?
Omal: let's get this one out of the way as Korton
is busy elsewhere.
Russ: oh, okay. Right.....
Omal: okay.
Russ: coercion.
Omal: okay, let us proceed with due haste.
Russ: okay. Now then, to start with.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: looking at trying an experiment at my
theater using coercion to assist in the sales of
our junk foods.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: for incoming customers as I sell tickets at
the door.
Omal: yes.
Russ: due to the fact that I'm being pressured to
push up what's called a CP or cost per person.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and......
Omal: how would you use your coercion?
Russ: with a combination of eye contact, voice,
and energy.
Omal: correct. What do you wish to know?
Russ: okay, specifically is there like a set
phrase I could possibly use that would key myself
into it?
Omal: each phrase is tailored to the individual.
For you, something along the lines of, "let's
sell".
Russ: right.
Omal: so that you get yourself in a frame of mind
that you get the energy channeled into that mode
of transactions.
Russ: excellent.
Omal: so, "sell now, let's sell".
Russ: right. Now then, using coercion then with
the customers.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? I would establish eye contact as I
sell them the tickets which is natural. I do that
with everyone.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and then some of the things I would say
would be for example on the last show, "the snack
bar closes in fifteen minutes after the last show
starts".
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: which is typical for what I usually say to
warn people about that upcoming event. During
that, I thought that would be like an ideal time
to use coercion.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: due to the fact that it's a set phrase
designed for coercion.
Omal: yes.
Russ: just without using coercion.
Omal: you could say something along the lines of,
"we close the junk food line fifteen minutes after
the start of the show. Is there anything in
particular that interests you that you would
like?" Backing it up with an expression maybe a
mental energy channel that is saying, "buy, buy,
buy, buy, buy".
Russ: right.
Omal: bye-bye.
(Russ chuckles)
Omal: sorry.
Russ: that's all right.
Omal: we could not resist.
Russ: I don't blame you. I couldn't resist either.
All right, so when I'm mentally sending this.....
Omal: yes.
Russ: I will be keeping it simple with......
Omal: just the one word repeated over and over
again.
Russ: I see, okay. And then for the shows before
that I will try to think of something that would
hook up with something.....
Omal: yes.
Russ: with a similar....
Omal: something short and to the point like, what
is that snack that you sell?
Russ: popcorn?
Omal: yes. "Nice popcorn, nice popcorn" in a
perpetual loop type thing.
Russ: ahhh.
Omal: so constantly, "nice popcorn" but
maintaining all the time that eye contact.
Russ: sounds almost subliminal.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: without the words being spoken out loud.
Omal: yes, uh-huh.
Russ: okay. So establishing a link, this would be
successful with some people more than others I
assume?
Omal: yes. Some people that have a much stronger
self-control are more difficult to coerce. You
have to take more time.
Russ: would latency have anything to do with it or
operancy?
Omal: yes and no. Latency, doubtful......operancy,
definitely yes. The more operant somebody is, the
harder it is to coerce them.
Russ: oh really?
Omal: I believe we have stated that in the past.
It is depending on whether or not they are aware
that they are operant.
Russ: right.
Omal: yes.
Russ: if they're not aware that there
operant.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: can they be coerced.........?
Omal: yes, they can because they do not use their
potential.
Russ: now would that be a way of finding operants
out of who comes to the theater type thing?
Omal: yes and no. As we said, it is not only
operancy or latency, they're also somebody that is
very strong-willed, somebody that is very
determined is difficult to coerce also.
Russ: oh, so someone weak willed.
Omal: yes, weak willed, then it is easy to coerce
them or somebody that is distracted it is easy to
coerce them. You might want to find a beautiful
young lady to stand and sell your junk food.
Russ: I'm stuck with my ugly guys.
Omal: I'm sure they would appreciate that comment.
(Russ laughs)
Russ: not ugly at all, it's a term of affection.
Omal: all in amusement and entertainment for
yourself.
Russ: correct. I did use coercion the other night
on the owner of the theater company.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: that was kind of fun.
Omal: and you succeeded?
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: but of course.
Russ: I wished them to leave quickly.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: a little coercion sent that way and they
did.
Omal: that is good.
Russ: he's pretty weak willed anyway.
Omal: oh. Easy to coerce.
Russ: very easy.
Omal: okay, let's proceed with the next question.
Russ: okay. Once the link has been
established......
Omal: yes?
Russ: and the word has been repeated over and
over......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: let's say that they start looking toward the
snack bar.....
Omal: yes.
Russ: and you've lost eye contact....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is there anything further to do or just let
fate take it's.......
Omal: when they turn to you to make their
decision, reestablish that eye contact as they
will do so. When somebody decides that they will
buy something, they, as a rule, will turn and face
you to speak to you. Then use your chance to
reestablish eye contact and say, "buy, buy, buy".
Russ: hmmm. And when we're trying to sell more
stuff after they've bought something, then would
be a good time to use it.
Omal: yes.
Russ: for example, "would you care for some
popcorn with that drink?"
Omal: certainly. Or, "would you care for a drink
with your popcorn?"
Russ: right.
Omal: or, "would you care for some other forms of
junk food?"
Russ: now would this be called conscious coercion
then?
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay.
Omal: because you're deliberately coercing them
into doing something.
Russ: right, they wouldn't normally do possibly.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. And this is easily verifiable by the
fact that my cost per person would go up if I
found success with this.
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay, good.
Omal: okay, next question please.
Russ: okay.
Omal: we are rushing things due to the fact that
we do have to attend the debriefing.
Russ: okay, all right. Now then, with coercion,
there's the mental link. Is there a chance of
mentally becoming bonded or somehow with these
people, is there a problem with that?
Omal: the chances are it is more likely to be the
opposite way around.
Russ: okay. Now then, how can I establish this
bond without becoming too attached or them
becoming too attached?
Omal: them becoming too attached is maybe
desirable because it will keep them coming back to
you and maybe buying more stuff. The chances of
you becoming emotionally attached to them is up to
you.
Russ: it depends how pretty they are.
Omal: yes, or intelligent or whatever.
Russ: right. Okay, that's it for questions.
Omal: okay, manifestation please.
Russ: manifestation? All right. Manifestation now,
I'm finding that there's a lot more energy needed
to break down my self-doubt.
Omal: uh-huh. Why is this?
Russ: mostly due to the fact that I'm fighting
myself constantly.
Omal: uh-huh. You cannot believe that you do
things.
Russ: right.
Omal: so therefore it negates the actual end
result that you are trying to achieve.
Russ: right. Currently the only thing I'm having
really success on lately has been the fire.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: working with that......
Omal: your little friend.
Russ: my little friend, right.
Omal: and how is your little friend? Happy and
contented?
Russ: ohhhhhh, having a field day tonight. But
with that......
Omal: extraneous expression please. A field day.
Russ: oh, a field day. I'm not sure where the
expression came from but it's used to express the
fact that everything is coming to you in great
amounts.
Omal: ahh.
Russ: field day I suppose is some kind of
celebration.
Omal: presumably.
Russ: yeah, not even I know some of the
expressions I use sometimes or the origins of
them.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: now, how can I take the successes I'm using
with the fire and apply them to say using with a
penny?
Omal: it is best to work on one thing at once.
(Omal coughs through Mark's body)
Omal: excuse me.
Russ: that's all right.
Omal: we will talk to the channeler about this.
Russ: okay.
Omal: it is best to concentrate on one thing at a
time.
Russ: all right.
Omal: your penny trick has always been more for
amusement for myself and others. But manifestation
of fire, controlling divas is more easy, more
malleable and flexible. For example, you take a
spark of fire, by creating more heat around it you
can get to enlarge and eventually burst into
flames.
West: right.
Omal: you're not creating something from nothing.
You have things to work with that are tangible and
easy to work with.
Russ: right, which is a great start.
Omal: yes.
Russ: but is that true manifestation?
Omal: yes it is because you are kneading and
pulling, and agitating all the molecules.....
Russ: that's the key.
Omal: yes.
Russ: needing.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: I do not need the penny, I need heat.
Omal: yes.
Russ: therefore I have incentive in my
manifestation. I get it. So there's an incentive
program for putting forth in my manifestation
practice. So what I need to find is another
project besides fire......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: where I have something I need.
Omal: yes. Desire does aid greatly.
Russ: yeah, because penny, I don't have the
reoccurring substance to make it work like I work
with fire.
Omal: correct.
Russ: it's totally different things so I don't
have the successes I do with fire.
Omal: yes, it is the desire but we shall keep on
with your penny.
(Russ laughs again)
Russ: okay.
Omal: when you can manifest a penny, then you can
manifest what you wish.
Russ: right.
Omal: when it stays substantial for long periods
of time then you can create whatever you wish. The
penny is the start of advanced manifestation.
Russ: okay, a goal.
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay, in the meantime, find a need.
Omal: correct. But the knead that we were using is
spelled differently. Such as kneading bread.
Russ: oh. Oh, I get it but it was a good keyword
though.
Omal: yes, it is a keyword that is useful that we
did not perceive. Okay, next question please.
Russ: okay. Once I have established my need.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and have the correct incentive, can I go
about using that in the same way as I use for
fire?
Omal: yes.
Russ: in other words, currently what I'm doing is,
I'm creating a negative feedback loop......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: but in a shortened sense because I'm sending
it through my right arm.......
Omal: yes.
Russ: to send out the heat necessary for fire.
Omal: correct.
Russ: at that point, the energy from the front
palm of my hand becomes quite hot.
Omal: yes.
Russ: which tells me that it's working.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, with a new manifestation of another
different need, I can use the same energy
flow........
Omal: yes.
Russ: to create what I need.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so what I need is the......
Omal: the desire.
Russ: right. The desire, I need the focus.
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay..............like what?
Omal: what do you wish for next? You have the
startings of manifestation of fire, what you need
next?
Russ: healing.
Omal: okay. Healing is a slightly different field.
Russ: right, but is that the same as
manifestation?
Omal: no it isn't.
Russ: damn.
Omal: manifestation and healing, they are close
but manifestation is creating something, healing
is repairing something. Healing suggests repairing
oneself or somebody else.
Russ: right. But it's not true manifestation.
Omal: no.
Russ: okay. So I need to find something else
besides healing and besides fire.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay.
Omal: money, that is a frivolous exercise.
Russ: right, I don't want to work with money
because that's a wrong direction I want to channel
this into.
Omal: yes. And besides, you do get afraid of
money.
Russ: right. If I was successful, it would just
mess me up in the first place.
Omal: it would be a test of your resourcefulness
not to be overcome by it.
Russ: true. It means that later on I could
practice without it. But in the meantime, so
healings out, money's out.
Omal: no, healing is not out. It is a different
line of work.
Russ: right.
(Now Russ coughs)
Russ: for my purposes.
Omal: yes. You may try self-healing on that.
Russ: yeah.
Omal: okay, we'll let you think about that and we
will proceed with the next question.
Russ: okay. Now, am I drawing the energy from my
negative feedback loop from myself?
Omal: yes, it comes from you.
Russ: okay. Now then, is there a chance of burnout
from using this too much from my cramming sessions
here when we're practicing it?
Omal: yes there is a chance. However, the rewards
are greater than the risk.
Russ: okay.
Omal: so it is your choice, do you wish to take
the chance of burnout? Or do you wish to not take
the risk?
Russ: no, I want to take the risk. Okay, now then,
how far apart are coercion and manifestation?
Omal: they're different lines of work, different
capabilities.
Russ: okay, so they'd be farther away than say
manifestation and healing?
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay.
Omal: coercion is controlling somebody else.
Manifestation is creating something and healing is
repairing something.
Russ: right. Okay, questions. Right. Now then,
with manifestation and looking for this item that
I'm looking for to work with......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: keep it simple?
Omal: yes. If you start off simple you can build
on to it. It is like how you build a house but
with one block?
Russ: right.
Omal: yes, one block at a time, one piece of wood
at a time.
Russ: okay. Now, what about setting up within my
shields, but by practicing with going and changing
the color......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: of the inside shield for the purposes of
healing.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: what about bringing that color into a more
physical form surrounding me?
Omal: so that you have a bluey-greeny hue around
you.
Russ: correct.
Omal: you could try that.
Russ: let's see, I would accomplish two things.
Number one, the healing and number two the
manifestation.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: it would be almost like a cloud I suppose.
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay. All right, now let's take that for
example.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay? It might not be the one I choose, but
for now that's the start of it. Now, in using
let's say forming the cloud......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the principle I would use then would be to
begin my negative feedback loop as before.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: send the energy in to where it is only
surrounded by my first shield but no farther.
Omal: uh-huh. You don't want to keep it within
your shield.
Russ: you don't?
Omal: if you're manifesting fire you don't.
Russ: oh, no, this is the cloud.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay. So, could I then send the color that I
need through my right hand?
Omal: you could try.
Russ: okay. I think it would be kinda weird
walking around with the blue cloud around me.
Omal: some people walk around with clouds around
them produced by habits of burning nicotine.
Russ: true, true. Hmm, what about as a sideline,
instead of working with something like say the
blue cloud, what about with candles? Now that I
think about it, I'm working with fire......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: this is just a smaller extension of fire.
Omal: yes.
Russ: and it would be more noticeable on an
individual level.
Omal: the increase and then decrease in the size
of the flames.
Russ: correct. Okay, I'll put a candle right here
in front of me.
Omal: uh-huh. You have two handy I believe.
Russ: right.
Omal: you have one in front of you?
Russ: right.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay, so I'll practice with this flame
here.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and lower it.
Omal: okay.
Russ:
okay....................................................................there
was some difference.
Omal: hmm, how about the one on the other side?
Has that increased in height?
Russ: yeah.
Omal: next question.
Russ: okay, using the fire here, the candle, it
seems like I'm using coercion almost on myself to
make the manifestation come about.
Omal: you cannot use self-coercion. How can you
coerce yourself?
Russ: I do it every day.
Omal: no, it is not coercion, it is persuasion.
Russ: ahh.
Omal: you are persuading yourself to do something.
You cannot coerce yourself.
Russ: okay, I understand. So in another words, all
it is is knowing what needs to be done........
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and doing so.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay.
Omal: as my colleague likes to say, "do or do
not".
Russ: correct.
Omal: okay, next question please.
Russ: okay. What is the energy that's being used
here? Is this just regular molecules that are
being manipulated?
Omal: yes, you manipulate molecules to form or to
act upon or to do whatever you wish. You could say
that you coerce molecules which is inaccurate. You
do not coerce molecules but that is basically what
is happening.
Russ: right, you manipulate them.
Omal: yes. And how is your candle?
Russ: it's dying.
Omal: give us a few seconds......
(The candle flame dies)
Omal: or not as the case may be.
Russ: okay. Now, this is a simple question I'm
sure you'll have the answer to. What exactly is a
molecule? It's atoms, isn't it?
Omal: correct.
Russ: is it a grouping of atoms?
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay. And so, how do I get down to the very
atomic level to work with these things?
Omal: you don't, you work with groups of
molecules.
Russ: oh. For example, I couldn't get into like
splitting atoms whereby........
Omal: goodness gracious no.
Russ: get a little explosive.
Omal: yes. You would not need a fire extinguisher.
(That gets a big laugh)
Omal: maybe a lead container.
Russ: well that's for sure. Okay, so leave
molecules alone.
Omal: yes, don't try to split them. Don't try to
break them down into atoms and then split the
atoms.
Russ: right.
Omal: otherwise you'll have us to deal with very
angrily as well.
Russ: I wouldn't blame you. Now, are molecules all
the same?
Omal: no.
Russ: okay, so there are different molecules.
Omal: yes.
Russ: all right, now let's take the ones I'm
working with here for fire.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. Would those molecules inside next to
the fire be different from the ones on the outside
of the glass?
Omal: no. The reason why we said that not all
molecules are the same is because on a cosmic
scale there are different ones. Different parts of
your galaxy. And one type tends to stick with the
other type.
Russ: okay. Now then, we're speaking of molecules
on a cosmic scale.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: what would differentiate the different
molecules?
Omal: different molecules of different parts of
the galaxy are built up with slightly different
structures. The way that they come together to
form things. Such as dark matter, light, planets.
Russ: right, so but on our scale here, molecules
are pretty much all the same.
Omal: yes.
Russ: so it's just becoming familiar with those
that I'm working with.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. Would it be like becoming like
friendly with molecules let's say?
Omal: no.
Russ: getting to know them.
Omal: yes, that might be the way to proceed. Get
to know your local, friendly, neighborhood
molecule.
Russ: yeah, kinda like through a party for them or
something?
Omal: yes, maybe.
Russ: okay. Actually, that's not a bad analogy
when you think about it due to the fact that
you're working with a group of molecules.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so therefore, to use manifestation, that
group of molecule should become very familiar to
you.
Omal: correct but molecules do decay over several
billion years.
Russ: okay.
Omal: so do not pick on a molecule that is
extremely ancient.
Russ: have a heart attack?
Omal: it might decay whilst your working with it.
Russ: okay, skew the results.
Omal: slightly.
Russ: how would you know which ones are ancient?
Omal: you cannot tell. As a rule, most of them in
an analogy are middle-aged. I believe your
scientists are interested in watching decaying
molecules.
Russ: older ones.
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay. Can you feel molecules?
Omal: sorry?
Russ: can you feel their physical presence such as
in wind?
Omal: your senses take them for granted because
they are around you all the time. You yourself are
made up out of molecules.
Russ: right. Tightly packed.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so with manifestation, what you're doing is
packing the molecules...........
Omal: correct.
Russ: into very tight groupings.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. Now, say for example with putty, where
you're packing them extremely tight......
Omal: yes.
Russ: they're still moving but they're moving at a
slower rate.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so in other words, you're packing and
slowing.
Omal: yes. Molecules do get stationary when they
are packed quite densely. They vibrate slightly
but they do not move around. Molecules that are in
a solid form, they're packed tightly. In a liquid
form, they flow around randomly in a nice, slow
state manner. In a gas form, they whiz around at
accelerated speeds. If you were to be able to see
molecules in your air, they would be racing around
extremely rapidly. If you were to look into some
of the fluids around to see them moving rather
sedately, occasionally breaking to the surface and
then shooting off. Or if you were to visualize
wood, it would be a lot denser and they would not
be whizzing around. They would be pretty
stationary, vibrating slightly.
Russ: okay. Now for my purposes, would it be
easier to use a liquid substance to manifest
within?
Omal: you could try. Anything that you try is
beneficial because you are practicing.
Russ: right.
Omal: we feel that you sometimes neglect your
practicing.
Russ: true, well there's a lot I'm working on
right now and keeping all the fields going at the
same time and the same rate.
Omal: we might suggest that you narrow your fields
down to avoid burnout.
Russ: okay.
Omal: and also give yourself time to relax.
Russ: okay. All right, so we'll just work with
manifestation, coercion, and farsighting.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay, good enough.
Omal: okay, do you have any more questions for us
as time is short?
Russ: no more.
Omal: okay. Have a good evening.....
Russ: okay.
Omal: and, I'll be back.
Russ: thank you Omal.
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