SIDE
ONE
(Kiri is the channeling
session's ring mistress)
Kiri: okay, come on, questions and answers.
Russ: okay. Okay, currently working on two items for
us this evening. Number one is communication, number
two is regressions.
Kiri: uh-huh. You still going to do that regression
thingy tonight?
Russ: no, that will be next Tuesday I believe we
have it scheduled for.
Kiri: oh, it was either tonight or Tuesday night.
Russ: right, well we offered him Tuesday due to the
fact that we weren't even sure what the labor
situation would be then.
Kiri: uh-huh. That's required at the moment
according to Kornas but it looks like it's still
going to be Monday night or Monday morning rather.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh. Sunday night possibly, Monday morning
or Monday night.
Russ: well that's good. Now then, first part working
with communication.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. I am planning a class in regressions.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: and with that class will come basic knowledge
on how to do regressions and such.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but with that also, will be coming some
training in other areas besides regression.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: sort of as a sideline to go along with that,
shielding, things like that.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but there are some points where like coercion
might come up.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and wondering how well that would work into
the class as far as a need to know kind of basis?
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: oh,
by the way, is Karra here?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: good.
Kiri: oh well, I suppose we better get on with it.
Okay, scalpel, let's bring it up for her.
Russ: okay, scalpel.....
Kiri: and.....
Russ: healing crystal.
Kiri: okay, let's get these warmed up.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: all right, let us continue.
Russ: all right, now, another point on that here
is....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: is coercion necessary for training and such
things like that as far as if you're not teaching
coercion, you're teaching something else? Is it good
to add that in to help augment a person's knowledge?
Kiri: if they have a potential for it,
certainly........
Russ: okay.
Kiri: but if don't, what's the point?
Russ: well for the fact that people sometimes don't
know if they have the potential for something.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and sometimes a bit of practice as far as
learning what something is will inspire someone
to....
Kiri: but also a little bit of knowledge can be a
dangerous thing.
Russ: hmmm, good point.
Kiri: uh-huh. So you've got to play the odds very
carefully. For example, if you were to train, Ajohn?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: to train him in coercion would be very
dangerous.
Russ: true. Hmm, okay, that's a good point.
Kiri: first of all, you have to find out if the
person has a potential and then is it worth you
getting them turned into a coerceer.
Russ: right. Well now...........
(Kiri hums a Star Wars theme)
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. So it is something that's sort of like a
Pandora's box kind of?
Kiri: yeah, it can be.
Russ: hmmm. Now, working with regressions.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now, if there is a point whereby something was
to happen for example as happened last time........
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: where Maxxus decided to lock eyes with me at
one point.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: would it be wise at that point to try to
possibly use coercion instead of getting myself
zapped to somewhere off into another land?
Kiri: hmm, could be more harmful, more detrimental.
Russ: is that because he's got so much potential
that......?
Kiri: uh-huh. You would try to coerce him right? And
what would that constitute?
Russ: a regression back to the past?
Kiri: no, it would constitute a threat to him. So
what would he do?
Russ: (?)
Kiri: or?
Russ: coerce back.
Kiri: uh-huh. Or even worse, he might zap you with
psychokinesis or use his creative functions which,
if you remember, to aport a small crystal must be
pretty damn good.
Russ: hmmm, I see.
Kiri: so, if he starts to coerce you, what must you
do?
Russ: shields up.
Kiri: uh-huh, of course.
Russ: okay, that could be very helpful.
Kiri: okay, continue.
Russ: oh, that's it. We can get onto other people.
You know I never have much on coercion.
Kiri: okay. well, I suppose I better put on who's on
next.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: now, who's on first?
Russ: Karra.
Kiri: no, I'm on first. Who's on second?
Russ: ahh, Karra.
Kiri: no, what's on second.
(Russ laughs)
Kiri: who's on first?
Russ: you are.
(Kiri sighs)
Kiri: Omal was telling me about that. Something that
amused him at the time.
Russ: oh, all right love.
Kiri: okay, I'm out of here.
(Korton is the special guest
speaker)
Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal. Korton right?
Korton: correct.
Russ: right.
Korton: proceed.
Russ: okay. Talking about communication and a class
I'm thinking of starting up here I was mentioning to
Kiri.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: I wanted to get your input on it if I could.
Korton: okay, let us proceed.
Russ: okay. What it is is a class on regressions.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and, for the purposes described, this will
probably be the easiest type of class that would be
an introduction into metaphysics.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: due to the fact that it has popular
recognition, there is an interest in it that I found
that a lot of people have and we will get people
that have heard about it but have never even thought
to discover such things.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: I was thinking of working with a class, a
small class of just three.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and make it a six-week one hour course.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: or more if it runs over on Wednesdays.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and kind of working into just a basic training
thing.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: whereby at the end of the class people would
be able to go out and do a regression on someone if
they wish to.
Korton: uh-huh, and this would be feasible for you?
Russ: yes, no problem at all.
Korton: and there wouldn't be any problems with your
teaching?
Russ: well on Wednesdays I don't do any teaching
actually.
Korton: uh-huh. There wouldn't be any problems with
your judicial system?
Russ: oh, the laws?
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: no, because of the fact that it is a free
class, there is no money involved.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: it's basically as a people who are serious
about wanting to learn something about that.
Korton: okay, then I do not foresee any problems.
Russ: okay. What I want to do though is basically if
possible get some input from you sometime about
certain aspects if I run into problems or something.
Korton: certainly, that is what we are here for.
Russ: okay, good. So far the way I have this broken
up in two is that week one would be like an
introduction to what regressions are......
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and discussing some of the problems that come
about because what people go through seeing and
doing.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and then week two would be a sample regression
which I will take one of the students and do a
regression on them.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: week three, let's say student one would
regress student two. Week four, student two would
regress student three. Week five, student three
would regress student one.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and then week six, the best of the three would
regress me.
Korton: okay.
Russ: so I think that would be a good kind of
hands-on kind of thing and then if in the middle I'm
sure things like pyramidology, metaphysics......
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: other items might come up...
Korton: yes.
Russ: you never know.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: but it would be at least a start as far as
communication goes.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and as far as teaching.
Korton: okay.
Russ: spreading some of this knowledge out....
Korton: yes.
Russ: which currently we're getting as much.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: spread out as I'd like and this would be a
nice start. Because as you talked to before, it's
like a pyramid affect.
Korton: correct. You start at the top and work your
way down instead of building a pyramid where you
start at the bottom and work your way up.
Russ: right. I figure at this way at least, that's
three people leaving here....
Korton: that would possibly spread the information.
Russ: correct, right.
Korton: okay.
Russ: some of the things about this I have a few
questions about though.
Korton: okay, proceed.
Russ: okay. First off, in the work that I'm doing on
studying this, the manual I'm working with describes
the fact that there are built in safeguards to
regression.....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and I'm assuming this would mean, because they
didn't clarify it, that the guides or the person's
higher self would be the built-in safeguard.
Korton: uh-huh. Occasionally, the safeguards do get
overridden with an adrenaline overload.
Russ: hmmm, okay.
Korton: but this is almost unheard of.
Russ: right, only in our cases.
Korton: that was a unusual regression.
Russ: that's true. Okay. Some of this would be like
working with a person's inner source....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: what they would call God or....
Korton: yes, their inner self.
Russ: right......in which they would be getting
information.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: now going back over this information from when
I first learned it, I found a lot of things which I
had forgotten in this, oh ten odd years since I
worked on this, and I think it's going to help out a
lot come next Tuesday when we do the regression with
Mark.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and then Wednesday I'll be working on a
regression with Jolene.
Korton: okay.
Russ: so I'll get some basic practice on what I
learned at that point and so you'll be able to
hopefully give me some pointers that Saturday the
following week.....
Korton: okay.
Russ: and then I'll be ready to start the class
after that. Okay, now some of the things that I
found in this that I hadn't noticed before was the
fact of new forms of meditation.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: one of which was the fact that in meditation,
it mentions the fact that a person can go through
and do the basic startup of a regression.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: number one the switches, then once you get
through the switches, going from the foot to the
head and looking for the center of your body.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and there you'll find an energy field at the
center of your body....
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and that that point you go into that and to
the book, it basically says that from there you can
take that and use the elevator to basically use it
for astral projection, telepathy......
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: healing diagnosis and sending and receiving
data.
Korton: correct.
Russ: okay. Now this is something I hadn't noticed
before. Is this due to the fact that you're
basically opening up some extra areas that....?
Korton: correct, your opening up extra compartments
of your brain which haven't been used for a little
while or some considerable time depending on the
individual.
Russ: okay. Now, for example, one thing it said was
when you go up in the elevator, you can go up for
like counseling.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: go up to a floor and get off and there's a
counselor would be waiting there.
Korton: hmmm.
Russ: I'm not quite sure on that part.
Korton: it is more getting in contact with your
inner self and reasoning what is going on.
Russ: I see. So it's not guides you're actually
going to see?
Korton: hmmmm, yes and no. The guides will aid you
in your self counseling.
Russ: hmmm, I see, okay. Now, is there a point there
where you can go off and do your own regression at
that point?
Korton: hmmmm, look at your own past lives?
Russ: right.
Korton: and yes there is, but it is handy to have a
recording instrument handy so that you can review
what you have learned. But of course if you are
deciding on the spur of the moment to regress....
Russ: uh-huh.
Korton: then how are you going to switch it on?
Russ: or, better yet, I mean how are you going to be
able to speak into it? You're all by yourself....
Korton: correct.
Russ: in order to have a regression...
Korton: you haven't got somebody to lead you.
Russ: right. So you basically go into it blind. Are
there any problems that might arise from this?
Korton: not unless something bad happens.
Russ: okay. Well, one thing I noticed is the fact
that I had thought that regressions were a form of
astral projection.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and apparently not. It's actually because you
still have consciousness...
Korton: correct. It is looking at oneself.
Russ: right. So it's more like farsighting instead
of astral projection. It would be....
Korton: hmmm, yes to a certain extent apart from you
do not per se, leave your body.
Russ: right.
Korton: you do not view something from afar. You are
only viewing past lives which are stored in your
memory files.
Russ: oh, so you're actually going back into your
memory.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: ohhhh, that's right. Now are these files
within us, without us, around us.....
Korton: without giving too much away, they are
within, without, they are there to be
accessed.......
Russ: okay, hmmm.
Korton: depending on what you need to learn.
Russ: right, okay.
Korton: next question please.
Russ: I'm looking for one. One that I can put into
good words here.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: okay..
Korton: let us be precise on our wording.
Russ: yes, I'm working on that. All right, now,
another point on communication I wanted to bring up
is the work on possibly a book.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: Mark is talking about putting together
something...
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: and I was thinking of putting together
something and I thought maybe we can meet somewhere
in the middle.
Korton: collaborate you mean.
Russ: right.
Korton: discuss this with the channeler.
Russ: okay.
Korton: it is not something I can decide for you.
Russ: okay.
Korton: it is up to you and we will aid you when
necessary.......
Russ: okay.
Korton: and help you to put things in.
Russ: hmmm, okay. Now, should we be working on
meta-concert again now?
Korton: yes.
Russ: okay.
Korton: but not this evening.
Russ: no, of course not. Now, also, a point I'd like
to get into Carrie mentioned it, shield testing.
Korton: uh-huh.
Russ: think they'll be time this evening?
Korton: possibly, we will see.
Russ: okay.
Korton: okay, is that all?
Russ: that's it.
Korton: okay, thank you very much for your time and
patience.......
Russ: oh, thank you.
Korton: have an enjoyable evening.
Russ: okay, and it's good talking to you gain
Korton.
Korton: you're welcome.
(Kiri returns to take her turn
talking)
Kiri: yes? What's on your face?
Russ: hmm, wasn't sure what was on your mind.
Kiri: oh, the usual stuff.
Russ: well Kiri, could you please assist me in
something?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: childcare.
(Kiri giggles)
Kiri: yes, you need a lot of work on that, don't
you?
Russ: well, who better to ask besides Karra?
Kiri: you should've........well Karra is going to be
back.
Russ: right, I'll ask her also. In particular
though....
Kiri: hmmm.
Russ: for entertainment purposes for young ones...
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: do you have any suggestions I might be able to
use in the future?
Kiri: how about soft toys, building blocks. Get them
to build things.
Russ: ohh, I like that.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: yeah, my child knowledge is......
Kiri: sing to them, bounce them up and down on your
knee. Go, "hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity, hippity
hoppity, hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity,
hip...hip....hop....hop....or, "who's a clever boy?"
Wheeee!!!!!, Who's
a clever boy?" Wheeee!!!!! Instead
of sit down, watch this.
(Russ laughs)
Kiri: be interactive.
Russ: well that's it, I've never been interactive
with kids before. That's why want to learn all about
them.....
Kiri: good.
Russ: from you guys. Who better to teach me, right?
Except the mother of my son....
Kiri: exactly.
Russ: and the mother of Mark's son. Okay, now......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: should there be learning involved in here?
Teaching.....
Kiri: there's always learning involved.
Russ: well, how do you know what to teach them, just
anything?
Kiri: yeah, teach them anything. They learn from all
sorts of things, all types of sensory inputs. Like,
bouncing them up and down on the knee.
Russ: they learn from that?
Kiri: uh-huh. They learn that it is enjoyable and
they like it.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: or, throwing them up in the air. Teaches them
about....
Russ: gravity?
Kiri: correct. And also they enjoy it. Blowing funny
noises on their stomach, that amuses them.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: and they learn that if they behave themselves,
it's something to look forward to.
Russ: what kind of treat can you give them?
Kiri: as long as it's not too detrimental to their
health, almost anything.
Russ: so like maybe some Jell-O?
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: Jell-O would work.
Kiri: there's always room for Jell-O.
Russ: and it's fun to play with too.
Kiri: if you insist.
Russ: see, I don't know about kids. I'm learning, I
want to learn.
Kiri: okay, you will learn.
Russ: I want to get this stuff down.
Kiri: you've got to learn how to change diapers.
Russ: yes. I assume I want to learn all that fun
stuff too.
Kiri: uh-huh. She's almost out of diapers. Well,
nevermind. Well, Alex isn't.
Russ: Alex isn't, good.
Kiri: so you can learn how to change his nappy.
Russ: actually, I wouldn't mind that. I mean, it's a
good start because I'm going to have to do this with
my kids.
Kiri: uh-huh. I can help and feed them some....
Russ: oh no, come on, will bring the worst.....
Kiri: chili.
(Russ bursts out laughing)
Kiri: various legumes. Highly methane production
capacity.
Verse: yeah, well you're the one who has to live
with him after I get through.
Kiri: I know. I wouldn't inflict on you anything
that I wouldn't inflict on myself. Why do you think
I never use a whip on you or Mark come to that?
Russ: okay.....
Kiri: okay.
Russ: so encouragement, learning.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: rewards......
Kiri: yeah. Fun.
Russ: fun.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: if they do something bad, how do you deal with
it?
Kiri: just tell them that they're bad. Say,
"naughty, don't do that" and put the tone in your
voice.
Russ: hmm. A little practice in coercion.
Kiri: against Alex?
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: you can try.
Russ: well, he's getting pretty good, huh?
Kiri: hmmm.
Russ: blocking it?
Kiri: no, he's getting strong willed.
Russ: well, look who his mom is.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, so I'll learn all that fun stuff......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I'll figure it out.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean heck, I was a small kid once myself.
How tough can it be?
Kiri: remember what you used to do when you were
young.
Russ: I played a lot of hide and seek.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: climbed a lot of trees. Used to scare the hell
out of my mom.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I've matured with age.
Kiri: you have, have you?
Russ: isn't it obvious?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: except when Korton talks to me I feel like
Alex.
Kiri: yeah, you think so, huh?
Russ: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Retreating are we not? Uh-huh.
Russ: well, to fight again another day.
Kiri: you need to work on your shielding, don't you?
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Got ya, when you least expected it.
Russ: yeah. Well I can't get them up that fast and
then what I'm dealing with it, it's tough to get
them up.
Kiri: okay. You want to continue?
Russ: yeah, one more thing.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: can I use computer projections?
Kiri: yes, but not frivolous.....
Russ: no, no, no.
Kiri: entertainment that would rot their brains.
Russ: I mean like a setting.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: to work on a holograph....
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: of kind of, well not playground, but a place
to be amused by.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so, how do you build that into the computer?
Kiri: hmmm....
Russ: set up each detail as you go?
Kiri: yeah. You take a geographical area and say for
example, "re-create the mountains of Sirius third
continent". And then just strap on the backpack and
take Alex hiking.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: and pointing out birds and trees and beautiful
vistas and little creatures and mammals and felines.
Russ: it would be as much of an experience for me as
it would be for him.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay.
Russ: all right, thank you very much Kiri. I'll
improve.
Kiri: okay.
Bus: okay.
Kiri: do I have that in writing?
Russ: yeah, sure.
Kiri: and do I have a promise behind it?
(Russ writes out the promise)
Russ: I promise. I will improve. Okay, all written
down.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: am I good or am I not good?
Russ: you are good. Your son is a very serious
individual, I intend to treat him as such.
Kiri: me, miss frivolous a year and a half ago, me,
mischievous, me, playful? Now I'm sensible.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: because I my son to protect.
Russ: sure.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you have to realize though, for me growing up,
some of my happiest moments were idle fantasies that
in which I could......
Kiri: when Alex is older I'll let him do it, but at
the moment he's only little. He's nine and a half
months old, no, ten months old.
Russ: right, so how much is he going to retain
anyway?
Kiri: exactly. So I want him to have a good, happy
environment.
Russ: okay, it's agreed and a deal and I'll get your
approval.
Kiri: okay, right.
Russ: right.
Kiri: okay, I suppose I better handover to the next
person.
Russ: oh, okay.
(Omal gets us to the end of the side)
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.
Russ: hi Omal.
Omal: yes, we got it wrong to start off with, didn't
we?
Russ: I don't know if I'll ever get it right at this
point.
Omal: no. Okay, let us proceed.
Russ: alrighty, as we were talking about......we're
looking at regressions.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. For next Tuesday.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: do we have any more updates about schedules or
plans...?
Omal: we will have this area protected.
Russ: okay.
Omal: when do you wish to be starting?
Russ: I would say between probably 11 o'clock.
Omal: between 11 o'clock?
Russ: and 11:01.
Omal: okay, because it is necessary for you to be
precise so that we can have the appropriate
equipment ready.
Russ: okay, let's set it up for 11 o'clock.
Omal: okay.
Russ: we'll set it to that number.
Omal: precisely.
Russ: precisely.
Omal: okay.
Russ: so I'll start him off a little bit earlier
then before eleven....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: or right after eleven?
Omal: hmm, a little before. Prep him up so that we
can get ready. You will be doing a channeling
session I believe beforehand?
Russ: well, that's what I wasn't sure about.
Omal: uh-huh. Yes, it might be useful to burn some
of his excess energy off.
Russ: oh, okay.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: so work on a channeling session first.
Omal: yes.
Russ: so we'll start the channeling session around
ten.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and then take a break and then go into the
regression.
Omal: correct. How was your tape situation at
present?
Russ: it's down to zip O rio coming up in another
two minutes.
Omal: okay. Right. Okay, let us continue.
Russ: okay, now, with the regression that we're
going to be working on......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: do we have a designated place or are we
playing this one......
Omal: we will play it as it happens. We will, as we
said, try to influence matters so that it is pushed
to a certain area.
Russ: okay, so I will not include any destinations
in my preparedness for it.
Omal: that is up to you.
Russ: well I did last time.
Omal: uh-huh. Then again it might be necessary that
you use that.
Russ: okay.
Omal: okay?
Russ: I'll work on that.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: all right. Okay, now, setting up the
shielding, I'll be inside the pyramid for this.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and it will just be me and Mark.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: keep the spherical crystal out for this?
Omal: uh-huh, yes and the felines might be
advisable.
Russ: okay, good. With the extra type of energies
that will be going through here......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: would it be necessary to have them channeled
off to anyplace?
Omal: we will take care of that.
Russ: okay, excellent, thank you. That was my only
worries I had for that.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, now, any incidents going on at Hades
Base right now that....
Omal: you know we can't discuss that kind of
incident.
Russ: oh, that's right. Okay........
SIDE
ONE ENDS
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SIDE TWO
(A new session gets underway with Kiri
as the first speaker)
Russ: okay. And how are we this evening?
Kiri: we are fine.
Russ: good, good to hear.
Kiri: uh-huh. Everybody else is fine, as you know.
Russ: uh-huh. The babies are doing well I can see.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: very happy about the whole matter.
Congratulations also to everyone up there.
Kiri: oh.
Russ: and how does Alex like.....?
Kiri: yes, Alex doesn't mind in the slightest.
He's not jealous.
Russ: well, that's good.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: is he curious about where they came from?
Kiri: no.
Russ: no?
Kiri: no. He's just......you know......hard to
explain children at that age. But remember, he's
only nine months old.
Russ: but being up there, I figured he'd have a
little more advanced knowledge on such things
compared to someone down here. So I'm not sure if
I should judge him as more third dimensional
children's stage or fifth dimensional children's
stage which would be a bit higher I would imagine.
Kiri: it depends on how you look at things. Alex
is definitely way ahead in most things but in
other things he's behind.
Russ: well I think in practical knowledge he'd be
way ahead.
Kiri: define practical knowledge.
Russ: well, knowledge of what's going on around
you.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean even at that age, he would be taking
in sensory input a hundred percent of the time
except when he's sleeping.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and so he's gathering and learning at a
higher degree than someone down here so he
probably would be like the equivalent of like a
two-year-old.
Kiri: does a two-year-old wonder where he came
from?
Russ: I did. I was precocious though.
Kiri: yes, you still are.
(Russ laughs)
Kiri: you asked for that one.
Russ: I did, I did.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, let us get down to business.
Russ: all right dear.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, since we're discussing coercion......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: or are about to, and we've only got one side
of the tape work with...
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: we'll go quick.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: all right. And in the first place, checking
on wording with coercion.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: we've discussed this before but not in any
depth........
Kiri: okay.
Russ: or length. I'd like to do a little bit more
of that if possible.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: all right, the situation is someone who is
near you you wish to coerce but cannot acquire eye
contact........
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but they are listening to you.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, the buildup of your phrases could be
as effective or half effective with or without eye
contact?
Kiri: as effective because by phrasing things
correctly you can get the person to look at you
and that's when the effectiveness takes place.
Russ: I see. So it's more like a wording to the
effect to gain someone's attention....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and then using coercion to impress that
point further.
Kiri: yes. But sometimes it doesn't work
especially when you're dealing with somebody that
is a better coercer.
Russ: okay, good.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: let's discuss those aspects then.
Kiri: all right. Did you say something about don't
try to coerce me?
Russ: something like that that's not what I'm
talking about.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I'm thinking like maybe a blind person or
something. Now, where you're relying strictly on
words......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and their effectiveness, now how would you
achieve that same effectiveness without eye
contact.
Kiri: hmmm, is more of an override at that point.
It is more visualization of the words and planting
the words into their mind even though you can't
have eye contact. You have to amp up wattage and
implant the idea.
Russ: all right. Now, would you say that some
people don't need training in such a thing, that
it might come naturally?
Kiri: actually yes, but control and understanding
the function and the reason why and the reason how
to. Take for example skiing.
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: somebody may be a natural skier that's fast,
aggressive but has no style or finesse. Like
somebody we all know, don't we?
Russ: who, Mark?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: he's fast, he's aggressive, he's got a
natural talent for it, but does he have style?
Nooo.
Russ: he might argue with you about that point.
Kiri: does he have finesse? Noo.
Russ: definitely argue with you about that point.
But okay, taking that for the same......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you can acquire these things.
Kiri: yes, you can.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: by practice, knowledge, understanding,
listening, learning and finding out how to coerce.
Russ: well let's try with the same example with
skiing now. How would Mark acquire style and
finesse using those same principles?
Kiri: uh-huh, by going to classes, learning how to
ski with finesse.
Russ: instead of just raw knowledge.
Kiri: uh-huh, and learning as you go because
sometimes you pick up some bad habits, do you not,
in both coercion and skiing?
Russ: true, true, okay. Now, with a use of
coercion.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: without sight or eye contact, is there a way
that you can use an astral form of that to
accomplish your needs. An astral eyesight that
would travel and.......
Kiri: no, not really.
Russ: okay. So you couldn't project a beam that
would say curve around and kind of hit him in the
eye?
Kiri: no. You have to have eye contact or you have
to be quite powerful to do it with your voice.
Russ: okay. Now, working with your voice......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: let's say someone has got power...
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? And they have a natural streak of
being able to use their words to effectiveness.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: we have in effect of what Mark has the
skier, he skis fast but not finessed.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? How would that person with power gain
the finesse through reading and such?
Kiri: through reading and practice and focusing
and being very precise and specific on what type
of coercion wishes to be used.
Russ: okay. So let's say we wish to use aggressive
coercion.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: in a hostile situation......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and you've got to work on this quick......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but you don't have eye contact.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, what you would do then is try to
establish eye contact......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but if you cannot eye contact, then your
words would have to be augmented by the power.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: you have to summon up the energy....
Russ: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. And then word everything very
precisely and crisply and clearly so that each
word registers.
Russ: okay. Now, in summoning the power, would
this be similar to say summoning up the energy you
would use with your shields?
Kiri: yes.
Russ: okay. Would these be an extension of those
shields?
Kiri: hmm, no.
Russ: okay, so they're separate from your shields.
Kiri: uh-huh. Each function has its own individual
use.
Russ: okay, but the same energy used in your
shields....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so, once you've erected your shields.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you would then go ahead and draw on that
same power used to create the shields and fire the
coercive thought or words to the person....
Kiri: correct.
Russ: through the shields.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: it is a little bit like electricity, what
can you use it for?
Russ: you can use it to light up a lightbulb or
shock someone.
Kiri: or, use it to heat, use it to cook, use it
to create a spark so that you can use it to create
heat. You can use it to receive information
through a radio or to send a message. You can use
it to work a magnet, you can use it for lots of
things.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: and the energy that you use for your shields
or any other function is very similar. It is not
electricity, it is a psychic energy, but it's
function is very similar. You can use it for many
different things.
Russ: and you can use various wattages of that
same energy.......
Kiri: correct.
Russ: to create different effects.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: okay, now, the most powerful setting let's
say.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you could form it into any shape you want.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: so using your imagination could be more
let's say a lightning bolt, laser beam, whatever
you want essentially.
Kiri: it you were using the manifestation
capability.
Russ: ohhh, okay. So you're keying that in with
manifestation then.
Kiri: that's right. As I said just now, each
function is separate and different but yet it has
a common energy source.
Russ: uh-huh. Okay, so it's coercion manifestation
you might say.
Kiri: no, it's not coercion manifestation.
Russ: it's one or the other.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: I see. Why is it I get into subjects I want
to spend all my time but don't have the time to?
And then when I have all the time in the world I
can't think of a single thing. It's most
frustrating.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: well, I'll take what I've got now and work
with it......
Kiri: okay.
Russ: I could go on for the next hour or two on it
but since we don't have an hour or two.......
Kiri: better keep an eye on the chronometer.
Russ: I am watching that, that's why we have to
move on.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: all right. Thank you my dear, we'll talk
later.
Kiri: oh my my, are we trying to get rid of me?
Russ: well no, but knowing the shortage of time
involved.
Kiri: okay Russ, I did bring up the subject so I
better head over to the next person.
Russ: okay.
(Omal is this night's main
speaker)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal. How is everything going this
evening?
Omal: everything is functioning well. And
yourself?
Russ: functioning as fine as always.
Omal: good, good, good. Let us proceed.
Russ: okay. Now then, due to our lack of time,
we're going to just be skipping over things that
I've come across lately.
Omal: okay.
Russ: all right. Now, real quickly going back upon
the history aspect of what we were talking about
last time where we left off at the Mayans I
believe. Or no, before that, the megalithic era of
Mesoamerica.
Omal: correct.
Russ: correct. All right, going back over my notes
and some more further research I've done, I've
noticed a few things that connect up that I want
to bring up.
Omal: uh-huh, proceed.
Russ: first off, as you were talking last time
about the Olmecs...
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: who were predecessors to of course a few
other groups in the area. What I see now is that
they were originally from Africa due to the stone
idols that they made resembled those folks from an
African lineage.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and looking back farther on this I see why
that is.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and that is because a certain person from
Egypt, mainly a person called Thoth who was one of
the sons of Enki......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: who was exiled from Egypt by his brother
Marduke or Ra who then arrived in Mesoamerica and
started building the circular observatories that
we find in the sacred Valley of the Mayans.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. His followers at the time were African
descendent....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: mainly because of their link with their
geneticist fathers....
Omal: we're getting into a very tricky field
there.
Russ: oh, okay.
Omal: no, not tricky as in.....
Russ: gray?
Omal: gray, but tricky as in a matter of semantics
and engineering which would be difficult to
explain without getting extremely technical and
losing you somewhere along the line.
Russ: and we don't have time for that.
Omal: right.
Russ: okay, but we see now in fact the same Thoth
that I mentioned....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is also been associated as being the God
Quetzalcoatl......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: who I accused you at one time.
Omal: yes.
Russ: well that was just for fun, I didn't think
you really were, I was just joking but the plumed
serpent which is the sign for Quetzalcoatl,
coincidentally also happens to be the same sign as
the God Thoth.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: which also happens to be the same sign for
his father Enki who I described as a family crest
you might say.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: we see this in Egypt completely dominating
some of the pyramidal writings at the time and
also then again we see this in Mesoamerica.
Omal: let's get the name of the writing correct.
It's not pyramidal
writing.
Russ: hieroglyphic?
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. Now, at this point, we're starting to
see how a lot of what was happening in Egypt....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: became also prevalent in Mesoamerica.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: but at the same time, it looks as though
disputes and stuff that are signaling what has
been going on for thousands and thousands and
thousands of years.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: fraternal.......
Omal: in other words, what you are trying to do is
get a jump on what you suspect will happen this
evening.
Russ: I'm trying to get a clue on some of this
stuff, right.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: well, I don't know if I'm going to get a
jump on it due to the fact that a lot of the stuff
here we're talking about wouldn't come up in such
a thing.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: because the principal players I assume would
not be involved in what I'm talking about now.
Omal: possibly.
Russ: okay. Now, the possibly is the part that I
want to get into now....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is the fact of the matter I don't have my
research down yet far enough to where I can say
for sure that the principal players aren't
involved.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: but, with the mining of gold that we
discussed last week.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: you see where at least those same interests
are still involved if not the principal players.
Omal: hmmm, the patterns were established
beforehand and therefore they continued.
Russ: right. Kind of like a decree was set about
and then it was completed later on.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay.
Omal: it is a little bit like your political
situation. An individual tries to formulate a plan
that he wishes to be put into place and knowing
full well that he would not be the leader of that
nation would still try to have it in place even
when he is out of the seat of power.
Russ: with his legacy carrying on in other words.
Omal: yes.
Russ: yes.
Omal: either to benefit or to plague a nation.
Russ: well this isn't a new thing.
Omal: no, it is not a new thing.
Russ: okay. If I could digress real quickly for
second....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: I'm trying to establish some other links
somewhere else. On Hades Base, you have the
Council of Twelve.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is there another Council
separate from that twelve of just seven people?
Say five wouldn't be included in on it? That would
like make up like major decisions and such?
Omal: hmmm, sorry, we can't answer that.
Russ: I didn't think you could. I was hoping
though only because I see this repeated in history
and I'm trying to find out.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: if there are still links here. Okay. Now,
going on real quickly, we see where the gods at
the time, the extraterrestrials were visiting
earth......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: were in command of some what are called
awesome weapons and it looks as though they were
stored in the great pyramid.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: at least a few of them were because we find
where the other brother to Thoth had hidden out in
the pyramids to escape the wrath of a wife of a
dead brother of his who he had accidentally had
killed. At the time she was beating on the pyramid
wanting to get at him and he threatened her at
that time that he would use awesome weapons upon
her of which the effects would be cataclysmic.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the Council
at that time of the extraterrestrials decided to
avert another great war to have him hermetically
sealed inside of the pyramid.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: we discussed this before where his sentence
was commuted and he went off to create more havoc
elsewhere.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: but what I don't understand here is
apparently those same weapons then were still left
in the pyramid but then were later used later on.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: why not when he threatened to use the them,
get rid of the weapons as you say? I mean this is
just hypothetical on your case, I'm just
theorizing but I mean if you're in charge of this
guy and he's threatening to use these weapons,
they kick him out of the pyramid, he doesn't take
them with him, why not dump the weapons or get rid
of them or put them somewhere safer? Instead we
find them getting used later on.
Omal: again, sorry, we can't help you with that at
present.
Russ: who else is coming in tonight by the way?
Omal: there is Karra here, Korton is here but he
has some of his own work to do. Depending on how
long this takes depends on how long Korton has.
Russ: okay. Well in that case, we'll just work on
this other stuff here. Let me switch gears
completely here since I'm at a dead end. Ritual
meta-concert.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, these are the various.....
Omal: religious practices such as your Lord's
prayer?
Russ: yeah, right.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, that of course would be the....
Omal: more well-known version.
Russ: well-known version plus the lesser of the
effects......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: that would be demonstrated. Because what I'm
talking about is the real heavy duty greater
mysteries type of meta-concerts....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. Now, in various groups points where
you get into the greater mysteries and starting to
work with meta-concert. The leaders, it is
reported, are psychically in touch with certain
forces.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. Now, the question I have is are these
forces like a channeling like we're doing here or
are they forces as far as energies?
Omal: energies.
Russ: okay. Now, with these forces then, are these
forces then like electromagnetic in nature you
would say or are they the same forces like Kiri
and I were talking about?
Omal: the same forces as you and Kiri were talking
about. Depending on what function is being used,
depends on what sort of energy is been tapped
into. And there is mainly pure psychic energy
which is the most commonly used and the electro
energy is so seldom used that it is not even worth
mentioning.
Russ: okay. Now the psychic energy that is being
used is the same that we're using when we're
working with secondary and primary energies,
correct?
Omal: right.
Russ: okay. So in other words, you're drawing upon
the psychic forces of yourself.....
Omal: right.
Russ: and the energies around you will work in the
secondary mode.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. Now, where are the forces from the
psychic energy coming from when you're working in
the secondary mode?
Omal: they're coming from yourself and other
people around you.
Russ: okay. Now, if you're in a secondary mode, we
talked about how you're drawing energy from around
you. So like me being in the secondary mode let's
say and there's just the two. I could draw it like
we were talking about from the crystals and such.
Omal: correct. Crystals, felines, plants and so
on.
Russ: okay. And this is made up of thought form
energy in a way?
Omal: hmm, it's made out of psychic energy.
Thought form is psychic energy.
Russ: okay, so to get a definition then, this
would be the life force?
Omal: yes.
Russ: okay. And so the planet being a life
force.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: is also a source of that psychic energy.
Omal: yes. But the energy from the planet is so
strong and powerful that we don't recommend you
using it.
Russ: okay. Now that's a good question to bring up
then because that's what I've been tapping into
now when I've been working on energy up there. I'm
tapping on the planet of Mars.
Omal: which doesn't have that much because it is a
dead planet.
Russ: okay. Now, where in history have groups such
as we're talking about used earth energy to its
extreme point?
Omal: to its extreme point? Do you wish recent
history? Hmm.....
Russ: let's go with recent history. That will give
me something I can at least think on...
Omal: okay.
Russ: or have knowledge of.
Omal: we will give you a great example of earth
energy being used.
Russ: great.
Omal: 1938, there was a mass rally in a small town
in Germany called Nuremberg.
Russ: ohhh.
Omal: there is a prime example of earth energy
being used.
Russ: okay.
Omal: and what happened to the earth energy?
Russ: good question. I suppose it was channeled
toward Hitler.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: what did he do with it? Throw it back to the
crowd?
Omal: yes, coerce them to believe him, his
charisma as they called it. But eventually, by
using that mass energy, what happened to his
empire?
Russ: crumbled.
Omal: went up in flames.
Russ: why would it backfire?
Omal: because it fed back on itself. There was so
much energy that he could no longer hold it. It
corrupted him and warped his sanity and therefore
was returned back to the planet in a blaze of
fire.
Russ: okay. Now how was it he was able to tap into
the group energy?
Omal: he wasn't aware that he had.
Russ: oh. It was accidental?
Omal: yes. But by using the correct means of
focusing the minds to pull in all energy around,
he was able to receive that energy from those
minds directed at him.
Russ: let me take a wild guess here and see if I'm
right. He inspired in the German people at the
rally a love of their land and their country and
the need to protect it. And the thoughts of the
people dwelling upon that drew up that energy.
Omal: hmmm, close but not close enough and we will
not go into it into too great a detail.
Russ: okay.
Omal: for obvious reasons.
Russ: because it could be used again.
Omal: correct.
Russ: okay. Now, looking at that example, would it
be an assumption on my part that might be correct
that the Romans used the same thing.
Omal: yes, the Romans did use the same thing and
what happened to their empire?
Russ: so, we go to the big, big question....
Omal: hmm.
Russ: Atlantis and Lemuria.
Omal: sorry, we can't get into that.
Russ: okay. But those answers pretty much answer
themselves so there's not really a need to get
into that anyway. Now then, is it a good idea then
to look for current examples of that happening?
Omal: yes, it is.
Russ: okay.
Omal: but what can you do to stop it?
Russ: well that's it. I mean, if you're working
with psychic energy.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the only way to stop that would be to
supposedly go on using that same energy but in
reverse.
Omal: there would be a considerable amount of risk
to the individual that would insert himself in
that to feed it back. In fact, the risk would be
extremely high.
Russ: okay. Well then, you would let it run its
course?
Omal: that is the only thing that you can do until
you learn to use its full potential to feed it
back.
Russ: yes, but who would be a good enough example
in history where that's happened? You know that's
gonna be very bad.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and you don't want that to happen but you
have no choice in the matter.
Omal: exactly.
Russ: sucks.
Omal: the thing to do is to stop it even before it
has a chance to form.
Russ: okay. Let's take for example then if we
could, Palos Verdes.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. There, where we have a great deal of
earth energy being sapped right now......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: in the middle of a geologic rift.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and knowing that at any time that energy
could be put to use and feed back on itself and
create what could be a massive disaster.......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: we can just stand by and watch.
Omal: yes, there is nothing that you can do. If
you were to insert yourself into it to prevent it,
all's they'd have to do is say bye.
Russ: yeah, okay. I wouldn't attempt it anyway due
to the lack of knowledge.
Omal: no.
Russ: so the best thing to do was to get as far
away from it as possible.
Omal: hmmm, yes.
Russ: okay. How about Mark's hearing, what's wrong
with that?
Omal: it is always sensitive. It appears that the
nicotine has a dampening effect on the
sensitivity.
Russ: oh.....
Omal: the kind more like it is a dampening effect
on various physical functions such as hearing.
Russ: so actually it's got a good benefit to it.
Omal: is it?
Russ: well, I see a good and bad in all.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, we're down to our four minute mark so
we'll go with one more question.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay. These same groups that we're talking
about who are sapping into the earth energy.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: normally in the initiation process of these
groups, they are surrounded by a collections of
thought forms.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: namely powerful ones that have been built up
over the years.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the person being initiated is generally
associated then or tagged with one of these
thought forms.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: in which case if he reveals the secrets of
this order, the thought form will follow him and
hunt him down and deal with him as it should.
Omal: it is a primitive way of wording that but
yes.
Russ: okay. Now, that's because these thought
forms we discussed before are semi-sentient. A, I
believe that we mentioned, elemental attaches
itself to the thought form.....
Omal: we said it can.
Russ: well, that's sort of an affirmative.
Omal: it depends on many different factors.
Russ: okay. Well, for example, one man who grew up
with the order and was ready to start working with
greater mysteries on his own, was all prepared to
work with it, went to the beach and had a heart
attack. Died before he even could get a chance to
do so.
Omal: hmm, there are many factors concerning that
sort of event.
Russ: okay, well, that's it then. Well, there's no
way to break free of those thought forms once they
were to do so then?
Omal: it depends on the meta-concert.
Russ: oh, so it would be a meta-concert that would
power those thought forms once they have been put
into place.
Omal: hmmmm, most of the time, yes. There are
certain exceptions to the rules.
Russ: okay. In other words, the way I'm seeing it
is, it's sort of like a dog that you have on a
leash and you wish to send it out, you go "sic em"
and he goes out and does the deed. Literally in
other words.
Omal: if that is the way that you see it then yes,
but it is not always the case.
Russ: okay.
Omal: okay.
Russ: that's it then. Have a wonderful time. Thank
you for what we did go over anyway. I mean, there
is stuff there I can work with and get back to you
on.
Omal: okay.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: see you in a while.
(Kiri transitions to her older sister)
Russ: any things about the regression I should
know about before we get into it?
Kiri: no idea. Oh well, I'll hand over to the last
person who wants to say a few things.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: great.
(Karra is the final speaker for only a bit)
Karra: hey Beanpole.
Russ: hi darling, how's it going?
Karra: I'm excellent, excellent.
Russ: all right, I'm glad to hear that.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: Mark by the way says a great big, big, big
thank you. Another one from me of course.
Karra: just doing my job.
Russ: well, it's a great job you do.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: how was the crystal this morning? Am I
getting better at it?
Karra: slowly, but we've got plenty of time, no
need to hurry.
Russ: well, you know me, I want to get as much in
as I can.
Karra: we've got plenty of time.
Russ: I want to do any last-minute trying to
perfect this thing.
Karra: no, you won't be........ I hope. On that
happy, cheerful note.........
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: we better go.
Russ: okay, bye love.
Karra: is that beeping sound?
Russ: that was be the 11 o'clock beeping sound,
yes.
Karra: we're running late.
Russ: okay.
Karra: bye.
Russ: bye love.
Karra: we're out of here.
Russ: okay.
THE TAPE ENDS
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