Archivist Notes: Greetings, we have a channeling session for the month of July from the members of Ashtar Command that is actually two sessions with the same three speakers. Kiri only makes a quick cameo before heading off and it is just Tia, Omal, and Karra for both sessions. It stands out if, for nothing else, my discussion with Karra on saving the human race from extinction. Before we get into that, Tia gets things started with news of her promotion to the head a surveillance team monitoring earth. That role would later lead to her becoming a lead data analyst on the night shift. The questions began and the first is on the psychokinesis practice I have been doing with a candle flame and getting it to bend due to my intention. As always, she reminds me there's room for improvement. I let her know that she is like a sister to me, just one from another planet very far away. Omal takes over from her as we jump right into the subject of maintaining focus during communications. He offers suggestions on how to find what is behind the words being said by someone. Coincidentally, it happened to be the same night a white bronco had rushed down the freeways of Los Angeles so I try to get his take on it. We would later find out that incident would have an effect we could not foresee at the times. We next get into the glowing seen during astral projection when looking down on cities. He confirms it is the energy of those below. We end on how to eliminate energy lost during astral projection when it comes to the attention being paid to something during the trip and how much it can drain a person. The final speaker the night is Karra who explains how, with the declining birthrates worldwide, the only way human race may avoid its own extinction is by evolving through the training up the undeveloped psychic skills in people. She also stresses how important it is to bring together people of the same skills to increase them. We have created an editorial from the two of us as a supplement to her topic that looks at how that would play out if ever implemented. This is probably one of the most important channeling sessions we have ever done and will stay as a footnote as to what could have been someday. With that said, it's off to side two.

It's a brand-new channeling session with Tia again as the ring mistress to start us off once more. This time, we cover the three bodies of the human body which are the spiritual, physical and emotional. This night it was the emotional body being discussed and its role in astral projection. It also has a role in the shielding that encompasses the physical body so it is also be a part of maintaining the energy within. We move on to Omal due to the compressed timeframe who helps me in understanding the cosmic rays hitting the planet constantly and passing through almost everything. He explains that they an affect people on a spiritual level more so than a physical one because of the denseness of the physical level. He reveals that the cosmic rays are generated by stars, vessels traveling in space, exploding planets and so on. There's no radiation after so long a trip from their source but there is a still an effect once they arrive. The next topic was about a book with very misleading information in it such as Pluto entering our galaxy in 1930. We do find out from Omal that Pluto used to be a moon of Neptune. It eventually spun out from that planet's orbit to begin its own path around the sun. It's part of a theme we go over which is the cosmology of the solar system. He reminds me that we only had at the time about twenty years of being able to view our planet from space and therefore still had a long way to go to learn about the lifecycles of planets. We end our discussion with the subject of crystals and how they resonate at various frequencies. We learn that two crystals of the same frequency would do so because they were part of the same cluster. That brings us back to cosmic rays being caught within crystals instead of them passing through which makes them unique. He explains that humans working with crystals was helping it to bring our collective consciousness back to a level once seen in Atlantis. On that happy thought we move on to Karra as the last speaker of this session. What she brings to the table is her advice about a cold I had just recovered from and why it had affected me. The healer in her kicks in and she points out that the supplements I had been taking would be better served by drinking more orange juice and milk. Eating better and not burning the candle at both ends would also go a long way to keeping me healthy. We end the night with a conversation about covering acupuncture points on the body with crystals. It was thought that, by using basic charts showing on where to find them, more subtle energy changes could be enacted without breaking the skin. A great session that may be the one that stands out more than all the rest. We'll let the future decide.
  

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra                                     

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SIDE ONE


(Tia is getting night one of two off to a great start)


Russ: ..........so there can be no bias between ourselves.

Tia: what would Karra say? Hold on...........women are smarter than men, much smarter.

(Russ breaks out in laughter)

Russ: you doing good?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good. And everything is going well for you today?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good, then what's the news?

Tia: I've been transferred.

Russ: ahhhh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: toooooooo...a move up in your career?

Tia: surveillance.

Russ: surveillance, that's right?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is that a promotion or just a.....

Tia: yeah, it is actually, I've got three people working under me.

Russ: really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well I'd like to offer my congratulations.

Tia: ahhh, you're welcome.

Russ: good. And of course everything's classified, I can't ask you about it.

Tia: that's right.

Russ: oh well.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but.......

Tia: I was assigned with the official Korton act of secrecy.

Russ: so? I guess we'll have to.

Tia: yeah, I've got one person that works on top of me.

Russ: Korton?

Tia: no. Actually, he works besides me.

Russ: is Ashtar showing up tonight?

Tia: no.

Russ: good. I'm not ready for Ashtar tonight.

Tia: perhaps I ought to send out a hail for him.

Russ: no thank you, but I appreciate the thought.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it's very nice of you to be thinking of my benefit.

Tia: you need to be humbled.

Russ: like Karra doesn't humble me every moment of my life?

Tia: no, I mean really humbled. She doesn't even come close to humbling you.

Russ: well, she knows that my self-importance is also good for me.

(Tia hums the Sorcerer's Apprentice tune)

Tia: anyway, come on, let's get down to business. It's only one side we're doing tonight, you know.

Russ: uh-huh, that's right.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: okay darling, in that case, I'd like to work a little bit on PK practice or a PK test.

Tia: uh-huh, what did Omal give you to do? Candles.

Russ: right, we got candles. Okay now, what I want to do is a little test on energy patterns, flows and feelings.

Tia: I think you're trying to run before you can walk.

Russ: well......

Tia: can you bend it and keep it in place?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: for how long?

Russ: well, all of the second.

Tia: it's not good enough.

Russ: I know, but that's why you want to check something out then.

Tia: let us start at the basics. Let us learn how to walk first before we start testing it.

Russ: no, no, no, I don't mean that. I mean since you can see energy fields from up there in the monitors.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought I would try to do is project an energy beam through the pyramid to the other side.

Tia: I don't advise it at the moment. We wouldn't get anything to register that much on it.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh. Because you'd be interrupting the field of the pyramid, right? With a weak field, the pyramid field would cancel it out.

Russ: yeah, I figured I could use some pointers if it was something I could try.

Tia: concentrate on the candle flames.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay. Who's on tonight?

Tia: me, Karra, maybe Kiri, Omal.

Russ: oh good. Alrighty, let me come back to you darling. The questions I have have to be formed up.

Tia: okay.

Russ: and, you know.....

Tia: you had an hour to plan it.

Russ: well, I've got planned but you know how this stuff goes. It all kind of falls together at once.

Tia: not a very good communicator, are you?

Russ: well every time I talk to you I get all discombobulated.

Tia: why?

Russ: you do that to me Tia.

Tia: so next time Mark gets all confused and what do you call it? Discombobulated?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: just think of how you feel right now.

Russ: that would be easy, I'll just talk to you.

Tia: why do I make you confused?

Russ: because you're like a sister. It's like I never had a sister, but if I had one, I'd treat her just like I treat you.

Tia: I hope not.

Russ: I would, it's guaranteed. It would be back-and-forth with each other and testing each other's wills and wit and everything else.

Tia: I'll give you a piece of advice, never try to out stubborn a cat and never try to out stubborn a Durondedunn.

Russ: fair enough.

Tia: okay.

---

(Omal comes on to channel)


Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: okay, I'd like to start working real quickly on the principles of focusing and communication.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. In the first place, when dealing with people.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: maintaining a complete attention of them is essential.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now, how is it when you're working with a person you can become totally undivided with your attention with them? And in fact this would help with other facets of psychic development.

Omal: being focused on them and them alone.

Russ: right.

Omal: so, how you do that is by looking at them.

Russ: well...

Omal: by trying to reason out what they're actually saying behind their words.

Russ: okay.

Omal: by trying to proceed on your chosen course by planning your actions.

Russ: right, but when I do this while they're speaking, I lose concentration. To do so properly, I'd have to wait until they're through speaking, then do all of that to fully comprehend or to totally understand what they're saying.

Omal: then do it. Gradually over a period of time, by listening to them like you are now, you should be able to plan and think at the same time. Or, before you go into a situation where you're going to have to communicate with somebody, you plan what you wish to say, how you want to go about it, how you want to achieve your goal, what you are prepared to discard, and then proceed.

Russ: hmmm. And so you would listen to them totally and when they were through, then you evaluate and throw out what wouldn't work.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, would the key then be in maintaining eye contact throughout the entire conversation then?

Omal: not necessarily, but it is useful. Earlier on, we were monitoring a conversation between you and Mark.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you were having difficulty formulating your ideas and answers.

Russ: right. It was because I was trying to practice focusing.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: doesn't work as well as I'd like. I was trying to focus only on Mark and then evaluate my responses after he was through.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but it threw me off because I wasn't planning out my responses while he was talking because I was trying to focus on his words.

Omal: so that is why your conversation was jumping and choppy.

Russ: right. Well, it was just a new technique in my communication skills I'm trying.

Omal: uh-huh. Well like anything new, you have to learn how to proceed and practice.

Russ: yeah, that's true. In your communication skills, you're then paying full attention and relating how the conversation will proceed after it's done then?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. And so is there a way that you in particular are able to show the person that you're talking to, that you are giving them your full undivided attention?

Omal: yes, by the answers that you give, how you use your words, and how you follow-on from what they're saying but heading on your path.

Russ: okay.

Omal: for example, you make mistakes when talking saying, "how would you do this, how would you do that?" Instead of "how may I improve myself?" Or "how may I do such a thing? How I may do this, how I may do that?" Instead of, "how would you do this, how would you do that?" Instead of how I would do something is different from how you would do something. So when you say, "how would you do it?" If you're talking to somebody that you wish to get advice from that knows you well, you would have to rephrase it because they would give you their opinion on how they would do it which may not work for you.

Russ: okay.

Omal: if they know you well enough, then they can think about it for a few minutes and say, "well, how you should do it is such a way".

Russ: I see. Well when talking to you, I admire your communication skills........

Omal: yes, but you must remember that I have a lot practice.

Russ: right. So, I hope at some point I can achieve the same goals.

Omal: patience. Okay, let us proceed.

Russ: all right. Now then, I assume you've been studying...........or you have been monitoring this whole thing with O.J. Simpson going on down here today?

Omal: no.

Russ: no, okay. Famous football player captures the world's attention by murdering supposedly his ex-wife and lover.

Omal: is this relevant?

Russ: yes.

Omal: in what way?

Russ: in their relationship to karma on a worldwide basis. In the fact that it has captured the attention of everyone worldwide and specifically in this country.

Omal: first of all, are you sure it's worldwide?

Russ: around here it is.

Omal: but that is a lopsided view.

Russ: yeah, true.

Omal: do not assume everything that you hear to be true.

Russ: right, okay. But with this........

Omal: but concerning karma, it is unfortunate that their karma is being played out for your whole entire nation. An incident like this is a very private thing.

Russ: right.

Omal: people analyze it and jump to conclusions. Even before he was arrested, he was tried, convicted, and found guilty.

Russ: right.

Omal: that is all.

Russ: okay. And basically I can't say as there wouldn't be a better place for it, but hopefully it's going to change a bit of consciousness I would think.

Omal: at the moment it is too early to tell so let us proceed with other questions.

Russ: okay. On the idea of force usage. When a person, as myself was doing this morning in my astral projection, seeing the world at hand as being a glowing entity.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and those objects that I saw in astral form as glowing, I assume this would be the energy that they are giving off?

Omal: correct, yes, that is the energy.

Russ: okay. And with this energy, it can be manipulated with my own energy interact?

Omal: depending on the size of the energy field you wish to interact with.

Russ: uh-huh, okay. Now, can some of that energy by my focusing attention on it drain me of energy?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. And so to eliminate that drain, it would take a shield around myself to be able to.........

Omal: if you are manipulating it, you will be drained of energy. If you are passing through it, shielding does not matter as you take your energy through with you.

Russ: well, when I mentioned attention, I meant paying attention to it. Say for example just looking at it for any length of time.

Omal: you are scanning it at that time.

Russ: right.

Omal: you are analyzing its color, its composition, its energy flow and so on.

Russ: am I losing energy?

Omal: yes.

Russ: and how do I avoid this energy loss?

Omal: do not look at it.

Russ: okay. I being a lover of art and nature is art........

Omal: then you pay the price that is necessary to be paid.

Russ: okay. Can I then draw energy back from the object I've been looking at?

Omal: it depends. It depends on how great an energy field it has. It depends on what you are prepared to do to retrieve this energy. A better way to explain it would be to use one of Newton's laws of everything has an equal and opposite action and reaction.

Russ: uh-huh. Okay, what about the concept of intent whereby I intend to retrieve the energy no matter what? Would that then gave me the will to do so depending on the energy field?

Omal: yes, depending on the energy field, yes.

Russ: how about on a planetary level, drawing energy from the planet, say looking at it from a distance?

Omal: from a distance doesn't work. You have to be close enough to draw energy.

Russ: okay. So hypothetically, going away from the planet, looking at it from a short distance, admiring the beauty I would be drained of energy.

Omal: yes. It depends on how long you look at it depends on how much energy you lose. How long you scan the planet, how long you probe it. By using your eyes, you use energy all the time.

Russ: right.

Omal: look around you, you're using energy. It is the same when you scan a planet you use energy. How do you replace the energy that is lost from your eyes when you look around this room?

Russ: I breathe in the energy, I draw it in. So it's a question of intention.....

Omal: yes.

Russ: attention.

Omal: attention.

Russ: at one point I am attending my energy loss by looking at the planet..........

Omal: yes. But it depends on how long and how you you look at it depends on how much energy you lose.

Russ: okay. And then regaining it, I focus inward, draw the energy up and continue on my way.......

Omal: yes.

Russ: without any.....

Omal: but I must point out it can be a very minor amount of energy or it can be quite a major amount. It depends on how you proceed with this.

Russ: hmmm, okay. Because I'm trying to eliminate energy loss in my astral projection and it would seem to be that attention counts for a lot of energy loss.

Omal: yes.

Russ: I would like to be able to........

Omal: practice.

Russ: work on that.

Omal: practice.

Russ: okay, thank you Omal.

Omal: farewell.

Russ: keep me posted if there's a need for that.

---

(Kiri is on for only a couple minutes)


Russ: hi Tia.........hi Kiri.

Kiri: you're getting slow in your old age dude.

Russ: I wasn't looking actually. I just heard somebody and I figured it was Tia.

Kiri: she was.

Russ: uh-huh. Well hi Kiri, how are you doing?

Kiri: uh-huh. She put me in on purpose. She came in and she was going to say something and then she put me in.

Russ: oh, that's no problem.

Kiri: uh-huh, I can only stay a short while, I've got things to do.

Russ: okay. Just one question.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: a person glows so brightly.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but, on a stellar point of view they're insignificant. But still, that spark is crucial. So, how to maintain the patience needed to allow that spark to grow without burning it out?

Kiri: just watch it.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: how do you nurture a plant to grow?

Russ: water.

Kiri: yes, water it. How do you get a cat to grow? Water it, feed it, give it love.

Russ: uh-huh. Okay. And so how to maintain that energy, keeping from losing that energy?

Kiri: practice. Oh well.

Russ: take care love.

---

(Karra finishes up the first night of channeling)


Karra: greetings.

Russ: hi Karra. Don't look at me, I haven't got this figured out yet either.

Karra: don't worry about it, analyze it later. Enjoy the moment, relax and, as Kiri might say, "be cool".

Russ: cassssh.

Karra: yeah, be casual like. You know.......dude. No, I can't do it as well as she can.

Russ: so, how are you doing?

Karra: well, I was doing fine until you started being deep and thoughtful.

Russ: oh, I'm sorry. I'll try to be irresponsible and quick. Talking to Omal sometimes puts me in a deep and thoughtful mood.

Karra: uh-huh yes, I noticed that.

Russ: anyway darling, you were probably monitoring that question, the question on genetics.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and the question......

Karra: I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you.

Russ: Mark's right?

Karra: yeah. You don't realize and he doesn't realize either how important your genes are.

Russ: hmmm, okay.

Karra: I mean as a race, as a species. For a survival of a species, the genes must be kept in a good, healthy organization. And if you wish offspring to be operant, then you have to breed operants together.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: otherwise, it takes a lot, lot longer for your race to a higher consciousness. All the information in the world would do no good if you don't have the tools to proceed with them. It's like having hands. Without hands there are so few things that you can do.

Russ: agreed.

Karra: so genes are very, very important.

Russ: so without any organized gene control between operants, and none to look forward to in the future.........

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: how's that look for the survival of our race?

Karra: there's one important factor that you've forgotten.

Russ: what's that?

Karra: operants draw each other together.

Russ: for some reason I'm losing all faith in that analogy lately.

Karra: hmmm, here's a good one for you.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: take your roommate and his frustrated anxiety and lust after a young lady.

Russ: yes.

Karra: she's an operant, he's an operant.

Russ: right.

Karra: presumably, and you may be able to fill me in, how did they meet?

Russ: ummm, I don't know.

Karra: oh well.

Russ: if I do know I will tell you.

Karra: uh-huh. Maybe you can get him to tell you and of course with the link I'll hear too.

Russ: well, let's take this to a personal level......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ, which I've been dying to do ever since the concert. And the question of myself and Erica.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. After the relevancy of what you told me.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and of what I know of her now....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it seems to be that a child from our union would not be as operant as one from yourself and I.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which doesn't make sense.

Karra: but what is more important, love or the survival of the species?

Russ: if it's a question, I take love.

Karra: I'm inclined to agree with you there, but it is my opinion and your opinion.

Russ: right.

Karra: if you want to be cold and dispassionate.......

Russ: survival of the species.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, so how would a genetic combination of people come about on purpose or would you leave it up to accident?

Karra: no, you become very fussy on who you wish to join with.

Russ: well, I don't mean just me but science fiction has it like in Julian May's books that......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: operants were brought together and also lionized were long-lived people who were encouraged to mate within their own families to bring about those same genes. Could something of a similar nature be.....?

Karra: very desirable, yes.

Russ: and when you say survival of the species, are you talking about the fact that going to a higher consciousness would save the species?

Karra: ultimately, yes.

Russ: okay. Because there's one thing I've learned all my life that you can't force anyone to do things no matter what you do.

Karra: hmmm, yes you can to a certain extent. Improving the species, now that's an interesting subject to discuss. Is it morally right to manipulate two people to produce a third person of higher capability for improvement of the species?

Russ: that is tricky. Morally right? No, because I can't be that coldhearted and cool.

Karra: but you have to be from time to time. From a scientific point of view. If we had Kornas available....

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: he could sit down and give you a lecture very coldly on what to do and how to do it. Unfortunately, I am ruled by my emotions also.

Russ: that's what I love about you darling.

Karra: thank you, me too.

Russ: yeah. Okay, hopefully we can encourage this at a later date for people. It would have to be a Howard foundation, wouldn't it?

Karra: not necessarily. Like minded people getting together.

Russ: I see, so like psychic parties kind of thing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, sort of like a psychic dating service.

Karra: it wouldn't work.

Russ: well, I don't know actually.

Karra: maybe.

Russ: we have dating services that are very successful. And in all those dating services, the hundreds and thousands practically of dating services that there are out there.......

Karra: there's none that deal with psychics.

Russ: not a one. And there's not even any questions concerning psychic abilities on any of the questionnaires that come out.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and so people who are of a psychic mind, especially males and females who wish to meet similarly for the fact of that quest.

Karra: yes, to the future of the human species.

Russ: right. Then you wouldn't have to promote it as such of course...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that would give away the whole cake.

Karra: but there is a little bit of a problem.

Russ: what's that?

Karra: fear.

Russ: oh, you mean the fact that people opening up to each other.

Karra: no, fear of the creation of a super race.

Russ: you mean among people who aren't psychically oriented.

Karra: that's right.

Russ: well, you have things like a gay community and gay date lines which are real similar.

Karra: but you're talking about with gay people, can two men produce a offspring?

Russ: no.

Karra: can two women produce an offspring?

Russ: no.

Karra: but, with people that are operant, they produce a child that is operant....

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and in turn that child produces a child that's operant from an operant rootstock, right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you're ending up with people that are more powerful than the normal people around them.

Russ: right.

Karra: there's fewer of them so they become a target because they're the minority. And it doesn't matter what color that they are, they will be persecuted because they are different and different in a strange way.

Russ: right. There's always been a fear which you can read in Julian May also, but the thing that would be key here is if you didn't play it up too much, I think you'd get away with it just for the fact that nobody would notice that happening.

Karra: they would eventually. If you mean when you're in a bar and somebody wants a cigarette lit and the person next to them looks over and suddenly the cigarette is alight because the person that looked over lit it for them using the manifestation capability. Think people are going to talk a little bit, don't you?

Russ: yes.

Karra: or if a young lady is dancing, right? And all of a sudden her dress just dematerializes because somebody is lusting after her and wants to see her naked. Again, I think people are going to start to wonder.

Russ: yeah, but when we're talking about survival of the human race, we have to get to that point one way or another.

Karra: uh-huh, and how you do it is very, very carefully and very cautiously by not broadcasting the facts. Sounds a little bit like subterfuge and it is, it has to be until the operant people are strong enough to defend themselves. Because not everybody has aggressive capabilities. Take for example the astral travel, is that an aggressive capability?

Russ: can be.

Karra: but it can do no harm physically.

Russ: well yeah, actually it can.

Karra: how?

Russ: if you were to, as like I was discussing with Lyka, using it in a warlike way......

Karra: but that is it being used as a tool. The pure function itself cannot do any harm whereas manifesting can.

Russ: true.

Karra: where PK can. Healing cannot harm anybody.

Russ: but now here's a question for you Karra.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: if you were to take two psychic people and bring them together....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: they produce an offspring.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: essentially, that child wouldn't have much in the way of training yet. Not organized training.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: to be able to take advantage of his capabilities. They'd be latent probably for the most part until when needed they might become operant.

Karra: not necessarily. You have all the information you need there. If you have two parents that are psychics or operant, right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: this is a three-parter. You have two parents that are operants.....

Russ: right.

Karra: right? And they breed together.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: they produce a child that is operant. They know that they're operants. They know how to use their abilities so they help their child, but there is a slight catch.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: you have two parents that are gifted in let's say, one in farsighting and one in psychokinesis. They produce a set of triplets........

(Russ smothers a laugh)

Karra: that they produce a child. It is normal to be talented in only one, maybe possibly two fields.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: so you have a child that is of equal power to their parents in either astral travel or PK. Now, if you breed two people that have the same talent, astral travel, right?

Russ: right.

Karra: they produce a child that has astral travel that maybe one and a half times powerfuler again....

Russ: right.

Karra: then they are.

Russ: and the child will get training from them.

Karra: exactly. So if you do this psychic dating service, first of all, don't broadcast the fact.

Russ: just put the questions in the questionnaire.

Karra: yeah. Secondly, try to match people of the same talents together.

Russ: I see. And those looking at the questionnaire not wishing to answer those questions would simply not join the service. They'd look at the questionnaire and then decide if they wanted to look at joining the service.

Karra: would you answer a questionnaire that asks you if you are a psychic, if you have astral traveled? Yes you would, wouldn't you? What about Carrie? Would she?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: what about Mark?

Russ: definitely.

Karra: I don't think so.

Russ: hmmm. Well, if he is looking for somebody with similar qualities.......

Karra: but only if he knew that that's what the goal was. If he didn't and it was in there, he may skip over the questions or he might lie.

Russ: okay......

Karra: because he has the factor of security.

Russ: right. So what if you were to call it, let's just for hypothetical purposes say the "Soulmate Search Line" or something?

Karra: hmm possibly that would work.........

Russ: if that's pretty......

Karra: yeah, I know what you're thinking and......

Russ: of course you do.

Karra: in the next step would be get your questionnaire right and it goes, "have you ever had an out of body experience?" You put in let's say forty questions, right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and only five of those refer to psychic ability.

Russ: oh.

Karra: now, the people that answer all five correctly, you send them a second questionnaire. "Would you consider yourself a psychic? What abilities do you have?" Etc., etc., etc.

Russ: oh.

Karra: that's how you do it.

Russ: oh, I see. So you wouldn't broadcast it.

Karra: no.

Russ: but yet......

Karra: and you would interview them in person.

Russ: right. But you could still work with the other group in the first questionnaire about matching them up.

Karra: uh-huh. But also, what you would would do, right?

Russ: right.

Karra: is when you talk to them in person, you would feel them out, sense them, scan them, feel how they are. And carefully broach the idea, if they are of a scientific mind, the theory on improving the gene pool. But you'd have to be very, very careful. You'd have to be very, very tricky with your words.

Russ: still, it's something to think about as far as......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because for me myself, I'd just like to see the consciousness rose.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and......

Karra: but it's the abilities though that are the really important thing. Consciousness is good to be a race, but without psychic ability, you might as well not bother. Personally, in my personal opinion, do you know who I would like to see breed?

Russ: who?

Karra: Mark and this strange lady that he's trying to pursue because they're both talented astral travelers. The same as up here with Tia. There I can say that because she's not around.

Russ: right.

Karra: or I just realized what I did.

Russ: what?

Karra: she's going to hear that anyway. Oh well.

Russ: oh well. But the thing is that, why do we have to do all the hard work? Why can't somebody have come out with this years ago and it's already started?

Karra: sorry, I can't confirm or deny whether they have.

Russ: good point.


            
SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO



(Tia starts off a whole new channeling session)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi dear.

(Tia says something else in Durondedunn)

Russ: how's it going Tia?

Tia: good.

Russ: so you don't like my illuminated artwork?

Tia: but he worked so hard at it.

Russ: it's been up for six months, it's time for a change. But now it looks like a double helix of a DNA.

Tia: we'll change it at Christmas time.

Russ: you're happy this evening?

Tia: of course.

Russ: over what?

Tia: well, my cubs.

Russ:  ahhh, well tell me about what's going on with your cubs.

Tia: they're great, they're wonderful, they're excellent. I'm nice and mellow, happy, cheerful and I've got my man up here.

Russ: oh, so normal?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: everything is running as smooth as usual.

Tia: uh-huh. How can you tell when I'm happy? Yeah, I know, I purr.

Russ: well it's sort of a giveaway.

Tia: I can't help it. Do you hum to yourself when you're happy?

Russ: uh-huh, and you purr. Well that makes sense.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: anyway, so I know how to gear my questions tonight.......

(Tia says something at the cats in Durondedunn)

Russ: who's on this evening?

Tia: Omal and Karra.

Russ: okay, I can work it that way.

Tia: maybe Kiri later on if she gets here in time.

(Tia finishes saying something at the cats in Durondedunn)

Tia: stop cleaning your claws, cat. Okay.

Russ: well I've only have a couple questions for you.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: due to most of the bulk of them are for Karra and Omal. But first off, the first one I've got is concerning the emotional body.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and how all three bodies of the human body....

Tia: spiritual, physical, and emotional.

Russ: right. Now with the emotional body......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm doing some experiments now, running through them to determine the difference between the three and how each can be utilized.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and with the first one, I'm working with now with the emotional body.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm practicing that with astral projection.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and with that, I was determining that my emotional body is my one that I use in my strongest form for astral projecting.

Tia: but you need all of them to go solid.

Russ: right. But I mean for now.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: for the practice work I'm doing with astral projection. See, I don't know if I'm quite ready to go solid completely yet. I want to get more attuned to each body individually.

Tia: proceed with caution, huh?

Russ: right.

Tia: Mr. Proceed With Care.

Russ: look before I leap you might say.

Tia: yes, some people take a leap of faith.

Russ: well good, maybe then you can tell me a little bit how I work with each one individually before I get into that. Specifically for now the emotional body ........

Tia: I don't know, my astral travel is through my astral body.

Russ: uh-huh, and it's all three at once then.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and then what monitors your physical body?

Tia: it looks after itself. My mind runs through the mantles. He keeps the heart pumping, the lungs breathing, and the electrical actions going. Similar to the automatic, it's an automatic response thingy.

Russ: okay.

Tia: what keeps tree alive? What keeps some of the lower animals alive like hamsters, hmm?

Russ: well, what I'm wondering is, when I'm up and I can still hear things around me, how is it Mark's able to disincorporate so perfectly? Like if I yell, "Mark!!" right now, he wouldn't hear a thing.

Tia: I don't know. I think it's sheer practice.

Russ: do you hear things.......

Tia: no.

Russ: with your physical body when you go out?

Tia: no. So it's practice more than anything else.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: be prepared to leave your body untended knowing that it will carry on functioning without you, hmm?

Russ: okay, fair enough. Now, do you separate and work with all three bodies in all things or do you ever split them up?

Tia: I assume that I work with all three together.

Russ: hmm, well I'm wondering now is on the question of shielding.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and the fact that it seems to me that the emotional body would have a lot to do with shielding because it encompasses the physical body.

Tia: yeah, I assume so. You're asking questions which I really don't know the answers to.

Russ: oh, that's the only ones that I've got for you.

Tia: and you were trying so hard.

Russ: I am trying hard, yes.

Tia: hmm.

Russ: well, I'll wait for when Kiri gets in.

Tia: but have faith.

Russ: oh, I do, it's just I want to be able to perfect this.

Tia: hmmm, yeah, I can understand your caution. But if you want to perfect it, you have to be prepared to extend yourself.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia, it's no good being a cautious wimp, a wussy.

Russ: absolutely.

(Tia purrs some more)

Russ: well, I'll tell you what love, due to the shortage of....

Tia: okay, yeah.....

Russ: that's all the questions I've got.

Tia: bye.

---

(Omal is the guest speaker once again)


Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: and greetings and felicitations to you Omal. And this evening, our questions are all over the place, but they all have a central focus that we might get to.

Omal: maybe, maybe not.

Russ: maybe, maybe not.

Omal: last time you said that you were heading in a direction and you ended up in a totally different direction.

(Russ laughs)

Russ: yes.

Omal: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: we'll start first off then with a present fact.........we'll start with this. I'm using at present in my hand amethyst......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in which to practice with communication and elucidation.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and with the amethyst, I just want to do some experimentations to see if it's field amplified by my energies will assist in communication.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: though I........it probably would be better hanging from my throat. Okay, now, I wanted to question on wave patterns that affect Earth and humans coming from other planets.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and in particular, we're working with what are infrared, x-rays, and ultraviolet coming from other planets.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that come in contact with the earth. I'm wondering how they do affect us in everyday life?

Omal: they affect you more on a spiritual level then on a physical level.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: the distance that they travel is so immense that the level of radiation is the minimal.

Russ:  hmm, I see.

Omal: if you remember, it is about four light years to your nearest neighbor, correct?

Russ: that's right.

Omal: energy traveling at the speed of light takes four years to get to your planet.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: so, a star that gives off heavy radiation would take four years to get your planet from that point. There is no planet.........or, let me rephrase that, no star that is near enough that would give off hard radiation that would harm you before it has exceeded its life expectancy. However, there is some background radiation......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: because there are so many stars and all stars give off high levels of radiation. You are protected by your atmosphere from the radiation.

Russ: I see. And if we weren't, we would mutate to where we could be anyway.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: right.

Omal: so in space, there is heavier radiation because it is not shielded out by your atmosphere.

Russ: oh, I see.

Omal: on planets that have atmospheres, the purpose is to let you function, and live, and protect you from cosmic energies.

Russ: uh-huh. So how does that affect us spiritually as you say?

Omal: it makes spiritual growth a little slower because of the denseness. If you lived in the vacuum of space and could survive the harmful radiation, you would be more advanced spiritually, you would need to be.

Russ: absolutely.

Omal: but on your planet, you do not need to advance yourself spiritually as much.

Russ: hmmm, okay. Now is there an increase in these rays then? Is that why there's an increase in consciousness?

Omal: no, it is about the same.

Russ: it has to do with the ozone and all that breaking down.

Omal: the ozone is not breaking down.

Russ: ahhh, good.

Omal: you see, you know so little about the life of your planet. The cycles it goes through.

Russ: that's true.

Omal: you have approximately thirty years experience of space travel.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: what you know is so little. You've only been able to monitor your planet for twenty of those years from space in any great detail. So in twenty years, can you say what a life planet's cycle is?

Russ: no, not really only because we have started mapping those out ourselves.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I mean basically, all we have down now is just the cycles of growth on our planet.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and yet we're messing that up every day.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so yeah, the lifecycles we haven't figured out at all.

Omal: no.

Russ: okay. Now working with crystals, I've noticed that in a book that I'm reading that the rays I'm speaking of are either passing through or get trapped by these crystals or minerals.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and the book mentions that this is by the color is affected. But I always thought it was an influx of another minimal.

Omal: it is many things.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: adding a different mineral whilst the crystal is still forming will change its color.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: adding different energies will also change its color. Blending those energies. I believe we have discussed this in the past.

Russ: yes you have. But we never discussed the rays and their effect to it. For example, do different crystals then contain a higher percentage of these aftereffects of these rays?

Omal: it depends on whereabouts the crystals were located when they were struck by these rays.

Russ: ahh, I see, okay. And how would this then be a benefit to us or could we use it as a benefit?

Omal: there is so much background radiation that it is a frivolous expenditure of energy to try to tap into these cosmic rays trapped within the crystals.

Russ: oh.

Omal: it is much easier to use the energy around you.

Russ: okay, fair enough. Now one thing scientists are at present confused with is cosmic rays that have a power that's two hundred thousand times more powerful than anything produced in a lab. They can't figure out where it comes from. I wondered how this is possible and.......

Omal: it's very simple.

Russ: okay.

Omal: very simple. Where it comes from is stars, vessels, exploding planets and so on.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: it is all around you.

Russ: right. Seems simple to figure that out.

Omal: well, you have to understand that you do not know for certain, or scientists do not know for certain, that there is intelligent life out there.

Russ: hmmm, I see.

Omal: so they have to assume that there isn't until they have information proving elsewise.

Russ: heheh.

Omal: and those that do know are not saying.

Russ: good point. Now why would the vessels be sending out these rays? Would this be an aftereffect of the propulsion system possibly?

Omal: yes to a certain extent. It is also caused by structural failures or damage from other vessels.

Russ: true, I certainly am familiar with that.

Omal: yes.

Russ: thank you. Okay, now, it is said that the planet of Pluto was entering our solar system in 1930. I wonder if you could confirm this?

Omal: it is part of your solar system but it is so far out on its orbit that it is almost outside your orbit. It has a wandering allegiance between the deep, cold depths of space and the weak gravitational field of your sun.

Russ: oh, I see. So it would enter into our solar system then.

Omal: no, it is part of your solar system.

Russ: oh. Well, was it not part of it for a point until 1930 when our sun captured it?

Omal: not as far as I know, no. It has always been part of your solar system.

Russ: how about Neptune in 1846 and Uranus in 1781? They were all part of our solar system for many millions of years, right?

Omal: for many billions of years.

Russ: billions of years. What's this guy is talking about? Nevermind. I'll......

Omal: read it to me.

Russ: sure, glad to.

Omal: ahh, you have it handy.

Russ: oh yes, it's right here.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, now, it says here that when Pluto entered our galaxy in 1930, it had been preceded by two hundred years of revolution.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then it goes on to say that Uranus entered into our solar system....

Omal: the first one said galaxy?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but I thought that it was part of our solar system for much, much longer than that.

Omal: yes it has been.

Russ: hmm. Well now it's talking about here as a fact that soon we'll have two new planets coming into our solar system that will affect our planet here. The first one is called Vulcan and the second is an unnamed planet.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and apparently these two coming around. into......the coming of Vulcan into our cycle is preceded by flames and fires and such. And if you ask me, it's a little bit weird.

Omal: who is that gentleman?

Russ: his name is Brett Bravo.

Omal: put him on your backlist.

(Russ laughs)

Omal: I would not worry about such misleading information. For a start, Pluto did not wander into your galaxy in 1932?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: it has been part of your solar system for many, many millennium, many millennium. Almost from the beginning. Originally, it was one of the moons of Neptune.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: that broke away from its orbit. It was so far out that it gradually spun out over a period of time.

Russ: well could it be that we did not discover Pluto until 1930?

Omal: that is quite possible.

Russ: and it could be that maybe he's talking about as an entry into our consciousness because we did not see then..........

Omal: then he has a very sloppy way of explaining things.

Russ: yes, I'd say so.

Omal: he is not of literary intelligence.

Russ: but then what would he be talking about then he talks about these two new planets? Is that another sloppy way of saying that.........no, that wouldn't mean two new planets will becoming into our consciousness when we find them.

Omal: Vulcan has already existed in your consciousness.

Russ: because it's the planet between Mars and Jupiter.

Omal: no.

Russ: was.

Omal: no.

Russ: oh.

Omal: it was supposedly closer than Mercury to the sun.

Russ: oh, it was?

Omal: yes. And it was actually spotted. There was a black spot spotted on the sun when a gentleman was looking at it through a sun filter and it was actually visible. But because it was so close to the sun it burned up again.

Russ: so it was like live long and phosphor?

Omal: live short, very short.

Russ: very short. Okay, thank you. Well, I'm assuming he just sloppily messed that around and hasn't quite figured out what's going on here with these new planets entering our solar system.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: because telescopes are good enough that they'd know if we were going to get some new planets pretty soon, one would think. Unless they're just huge comets coming our way that we haven't spotted yet.

Omal: that is a possibility.

Russ: that's a possibility.

Omal: it's quite possible that there could be a tenth planet.

Russ: hmm, but you wouldn't be able to confirm or deny that.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: I knew that. Okay......

Omal: we aren't giving you any new information on that. That has been speculated on and off for the past twenty-five years or so.

Russ: that's true, yes. And I've never really come to a conclusion on it one way or another myself.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: only because for me it's always been a mystery. But if it was.......

Omal: and you do enjoy mysteries.

Russ: I do enjoy mysteries. But this planet that is going to be crashing into Jupiter or this comet that broke up.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now originally it came from outside of our solar system....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and was captured by Jupiter's gravitational pull.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so it's possible then that another something comet could get caught up into our solar system.

Omal: it happens all the time.

Russ: and it gets caught up, slows down, turns into a moon or if it is big enough, a planet maybe.

Omal: hmmm, no.

Russ: no, it doesn't.

Omal: if it was let's say it was eight thousand miles across......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you have the initial inertia of that it is traveling.

Russ: hmmm, all right.

Omal: a series of events very unlikely would have to occur. First of all, it would have approach close to Saturn to create drag to slow it down. Then Jupiter to slow it down. Then finally your sun that would put it into a wide elliptical orbit that would bring it close to the sun every so often.

Russ: but boy, that would sure be a pain to try to figure out if it's going to hit anything.

Omal: uh-huh. The more planets of gaseous substance that they hit, the more likely that it will catch into a stable orbit. You see, to become a member of your planetary system, it would have to fit in somewhere between the sun and the outer reaches of your solar system, the weaker fields.

Russ: oh, I see. But in the meantime it must be a comet passing through.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. And Haley's is a comet that comes through in such a wide orbit you don't see it for every 76 years.

Omal: uh-huh. It actually goes out past Jupiter and swings back in.

Russ: oh. Is our sun that powerful, the gravitational pull that......

Omal: compared to other stars, no.

Russ: oh, I see. So that gravitational pull that is stronger from other stars does have an effect on our solar system also.

Omal: yes, uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, and we've talked about that before also.....

Omal: yes.

Russ: on how that has an effect on our spiritual bodies.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay, all right. I'll get off this for a second.....

Omal: okay.

Russ: and go on to my next question and that is on the working with phrasing of words in a mantra-like setting.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in which you speak a word or a phrase and then repeat it and repeat it.

Omal: "there is no fear, fear is the mind killer. There is no fear, fear is the mind killer".

(Russ chuckles)

Omal: the little death.

Russ: the little death, yes. And with that, from what I read in the same book, it says each time that you say this, it exponentially amplifies the preceding words.

Omal: can I have the book please?

Russ: yes.

Omal: okay, let me elaborate.

Russ: okay.

Omal: by using words to focus your mind.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: that is what it is saying.

Russ: right. So the words have no power in themselves as far as.....

Omal: words are words. There is a vibration created by the movement of your lips and the sounds coming out of your vocal box vibrates the air. There is power to that.

Russ: right.

Omal: but there is no actual power to the words in a paranormal explanation.

Russ: all right.

Omal: you can sit down and you can listen to a very powerful speech by, I believe Benito Mussolini was brought up.

Russ: uh-huh, yes he was.

Omal: uh-huh. And what does that do for you?

Russ: nothing.

Omal: why?

Russ: I can't speak Italian.

Omal: but to somebody that speaks Italian it is powerful.

Russ: sure.

Omar so it is understanding the language.

Russ: true. And so the vibrationary affect does not amplify as you say the words more often than not.

Omal: no.

Russ: it's like me talking to you, I'm not amplifying anything I'm saying, I'm just putting it out to the universe.

Omal: correct.

Russ: right, okay. Now one thing is that I did notice that it was fairly accurate on is that crystals are like tuning forks.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that they always resonate.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now do they always resonate in a particular pitch?

Omal: one crystal will give off one frequency and another crystal will give off another frequency. Here is a useful piece of information from me.

Russ: okay.

Omal: from the fools of a mouth, wisdom can come.

Russ: oh, so the book's right in one point anyway.

Omal: at least.

Russ: at least, okay. What happens when you find two crystals that are perfectly in tune?

Omal: there are normally part of a cluster.

Russ: I see. So if you were to find two that are separate, it's because they came from the same cluster.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: ahh, okay. Now, one thing he mentioned is that with two tuning forks of the same pitch, if you strike one, the other will start to vibrate.

Omal: yes, that is correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: it is the same with crystals.

Russ: right.

Omal: that answers your question I believe.

Russ: except the one thing, how can you put that into a practical usage here in our studies?

Omal: at the moment it wouldn't be prudent.

(Russ laughs at the inside joke)

Russ: okay. Keep me posted when it does become prudent.

Omal: I will do so.

Russ: I'll try to find as many similarly pitched crystals as I can.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which should be a lot of fun in itself. Alrighty, now one last thing I want to work on a little bit is that I kind of want to go back to again with the cosmic rays again.........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: just for a quick moment. In the same attitude in which we are talking about tuning in crystals........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the cosmic rays go out as a vibration?

Omal: hmmm, no.

Russ: they do not.

Omal: they go out in an energy wave.

Russ: okay. And so they pass through us......

Omal: they pass through almost everything.

Russ: right. And what does capture them? Only crystals or other......

Omal: crystals and very heavy gravitational fields.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: normally associated with black holes.

Russ: I see, okay. Now, when I'm thinking about this, I see it then as the earth.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: being as like a body like ourselves.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in which it has veins.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and with the earth, the crystals are the veins of the earth.

Omal: yes.

Russ: and the cosmic rays going through are oftentimes captured by these crystals.

Omal: hmm, they're so dispersed that it may be ten years to capture just one.

Russ: oh, I see. Okay. Now in that same frame of mind though.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the energy that comes from the crystals which are in the veins of the earth, when you take those out of the earth and you utilize these crystals, then you are utilizing that same energy that crystals have within them.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so you're effectively working with the earth when you're working with these crystals.

Omal: hmmm, basically yes.

Russ: okay. And so that is why.........or why would it be now then that with the advent of such crystal awareness that...... ?

Omal: crystal awareness is not new.

Russ: true but it's increasing in volume should we say?

Omal: it is increasing to what it once was.

Russ: oh, good. And what does this do for the earth then?

Omal: it brings it more up to a level that it once attained.

Russ: excellent, okay. Would that same assistance then work with helping to let's say help the earth? Cleanse it maybe or at least give it a emotional kick?

Omal: on a spiritual level, yes.

Russ: good. I suppose everybody and everything as well..........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: especially the earth.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay, good. And so I see nothing wrong with increasing crystals of course and I look forward to helping them out. That's all I have as far as questions..........

Omal: now, a word of advice. When you say last question, make sure it is the last question.

Russ: oh, I did say last question, didn't I?

Omal: yes, seven questions ago.

Russ: it was so long ago, I forgot. I'm sorry Omal.

Omal: either do not say last question, because being a communicator when you say last question, that should be it.

Russ: you're right. I mean, that's what happens, I start talking......

Omal: yes.

Russ: all of a sudden I start getting more questions and more questions, something keys in and everything else.....

Omal: yes. So, we will remind you when you do that.

Russ: please do. I kind of try to limit myself to spotting it before you do.

Omal: but do I spot it more often?

Russ: I wouldn't like to except too many bets from you because I usually lose, worse than Kiri. But in this one I'll say it's a gentleman's bet.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right.

Omal: no forfeit or punishment for it.

Russ: fair enough.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: I'll be back.

---

(Tia is in for a quick transition)


Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: I spotted that too.

Russ: you must have been laughing your little tush off.

Tia: yeah, it is little.

Russ: that's two...

Tia: yeah, I was counting out loud.

Russ: that's three, that's four. Well, that's alright.

Tia: I don't think Kiri is going to be here. Maybe she just might make it, I don't know.

Tia: okay, next person.

Russ: right.

---

(Karra takes us to the end of night two)



Russ: yes please, you can spank me at any point from this point on.

Karra: ohhh, promises, promises.

Russ: absolutely.

Karra: he's quite right you know.

Russ: oh, I know he is and he has quite a good point because I'm very lax in that sometimes.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but, that's what I'm learning about being a communicator........

Karra: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: is I need to get this pointed out to me.

Karra: okay, let's get down to business.

Russ: okay my darling, all right. First off, in relations to that sickness I had last Wednesday.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what I'm working on is how your homework question that I was given....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: about the four things that kill cancer. In that same mode......

Karra: yes.

Russ: yes, go ahead.

Karra: it can't, but it's that function.

Russ: okay. So my mental attitude can cause a sickness.

Karra: yes, yes.

Russ: but my problem is I do not see a negative attitude but even so, why did I get sick?

Karra: because of two things I can think of off my hand.

Russ: okay.

Karra: burning the candle at both ends and not eating properly. I know you try but taking pills is no substitute for the real thing.

Russ: I agree.

Karra: that's why we have you drink orange juice, that's why we have you eat salads. But taking pills costs you more money and is, on it's own, straight. Vitamin C in tablet form does not work as well as vitamin C in the liquid form from the orange.

Russ: oh, I see.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so the calcium wouldn't be as good in the pill form as it would from milk.

Karra: exactly. Because there are other things in the milk and the orange juice which isn't in the straight form. And working in conjunction together can have a much more beneficial effect.

Russ: so why the garlic?

Karra: because garlic is one of those things that you can have straight.

Russ: oh, I see.

Karra: uh-huh. The juices in it and the few other ingredients do help. But garlic, you can have straight.

Russ: okay. Now what about working with Mark's few, various conditions, would the garlic be able to assist him?

Karra: hmmm, purifying his blood is about the only thing that it does do and I believe he does take garlic tablets from time to time.

Russ: oh, he does?

Karra: uh-huh. I think he got five hundred of them.

Russ: okay, good. But one thing I am learning about garlic is the fact that it is such a good oxidizer....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: a good purifier.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now how about for a antiviral medicine?

Karra: hmm, more like an antibiotic in conjunction with eating healthy.

Russ: are there any herbs that will accomplish this?

Karra: no, not really.

Russ: all you have left is penicillin and you have to get prescribed for that.

Karra: yeah. Not necessarily though.

Russ: bread mold.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: pass on the mold. All right, so back to orange juice, back to milk...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I should be eating salads......

Karra: yes.

Russ: less pills.

Karra: yeah, I didn't understand the finances on that until it was explained to me.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: yeah, I thought it would be a nice supplement to go with your normal food until someone pointed out a financial side of it which I don't understand. I try, I try.

Russ: I understand, it's okay. I merely learning myself, we both are.

Karra: I thought I was doing you good.

Russ: you are doing good.

Karra: well thank you.

Russ: they tasted great.

Karra: hmmm.

Russ: okay, now on the other point....................oh, I talked to Carrie.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: as you know and she is as says she is covering herself with the sunscreen every day....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and she's of course staying out of the sun as much as possible.

Karra: uh-huh. Actually, what she was doing is she was forgetting from time to time, right? And now she's putting it on on a regular basis because it was reminded to her.

Russ: oh. Good.

Karra: might bring that up just to tease her.

Russ: maybe just a tease her.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now, I was working on, this is on an off chance this might be possible and that is working with the pineal gland. There is there a way to actually increase the size of the pineal gland just to prove it can be done?

Karra: not as far as I know, no.

Russ: okay. All right, so I'm back to health again.

Karra: good,good,  I know that.

Russ: I know you do dear. And I enjoyed being with our kids today.

Karra: they are delightful.

Russ: they are delightful.

Karra: all my children are delightful.

Russ: and Miranda and Alana are doing well.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and the birth is coming up in a week....

Karra: uh-huh. July third or the second?

Russ: second four third, yeah.

Karra: yeah.

Russ: and so I'm going to go ahead and take part in the delivery.

Karra: oh good.

Russ: I'll be there for moral support if nothing else.

Karra: uh-huh, yes. Will have to have you scrubbed down and washed and showered and we'll assign you an assistant help you scrub down and wash.

Russ: you tease.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now.......

Karra: make sure he's a Wookie.

Russ: you will be keeping me posted on all the latest events...

Karra: course, of course. We'll hail you when she's ready.

Russ: okay.

Karra: the same way that Mark got hailed.

Russ: hey you. All right. And if you can find me being sort of dense, just hail Mark.

Karra: uh-huh. What is it? "Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"......."I've got to go".

Russ: you've got to go?

Karra: no, that's what Mark said, wasn't it?

Russ: oh yeah, that's right.

Karra: yes. Watching the mind rotting......

Russ: oh, that's right, yes, yes, that's right.

Karra: that's what my little sister said.

Russ: yes, I know that's what she said but.......

Karra: and a few added epitaphs and swearwords.

Russ: yes. But Miranda enjoyed "Empire strikes back".

Karra: I thought it was absolutely hilarious.

Russ: okay.

Karra: poor Kiri. She tries to be so sensible and protective of her child.

Russ: well at least she's serious about something in this life.

Karra: it's about the only thing she is serious on.

Russ: well, I'm glad to see it with her.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, acupuncture points being covered by crystals. Is this something that should be studied as far as acupuncture points?

Karra: it could be useful.

Russ: I have heard of it. Now there are certain charts you can buy that...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: Chinese choice that point out all the vital acupuncture points.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and these are all the specific points where nerve endings meet?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: if I'm correct?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.....


 
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