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ONE
(Tia comes on after staying silent
for a bit)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: can't out stubborn me, hah. I can sit and wait
all night. Hello, hello, hello, hello.
Skip: good evening Tia.
Tia: greetings, good evening.
Russ: good evening.
Tia: questions and answer time, huh? Who's the new
dude?
Judy: I've met you before Tia.
Tia: I know, you're........don't tell me, don't tell
me....Judy.
Judy: uh-huh.
Tia: and.....
Judy: you've never met my son....
Tia: no.
Judy: this is my son, Tyrell. Say hi to Tia.
Tyrell: (speaking through a glass ) hello.
Tia: your voice sounds funny. It sounds if it's
echoing from the bottom of a cup.
Judy: it was.
Tia: uh-huh. That's all right.
John: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi to John in Durondedunn)
Tia: how's it going Johnny?
John: good, I can't participate tonight. I'm going
to run off here in a couple minutes.
Tia: uh-huh, good luck.
John: I've got a couple things to take care of.
Tia: good luck.
John: thank you.
Tia: okay, let's get down to business. Questions and
answers. You've got questions, I've got answers.
Russ: I'm not going to take it all up myself this
time though.
Tia: oooohhhh, aren't we being mighty brave.
Skip: you're going to do what tonight?
Russ: I'm gonna let you guys ask here because I
always take up all the questions. I'll spread it out
a little bit here.
Skip: oh, you're going to spread it out a little bit
here, go ahead Tia.
Russ: tear it up.
Skip: Tia?
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: I got a personal problem.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: I've been on the verge of total panic for
about a month now.
Tia: uh-huh, yes. We've discussed it and we brought
in a specialist. Mind you, she's always around.
Skip: yes.
Tia: uh-huh. She's been doing some studying on human
psychological disorders.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: and she will be arriving.........like some
other people that were supposed to be here at 8
o'clock, that arrived after the time.
(Russ and Skip laugh)
Russ: I was here before 8 o'clock darling.
Tia: not according to our chronometer you didn't,
you got there like five minutes after seven which is
eight o'clock your time.
Russ: right.
Tia: uh-huh, so that's after.
(Skip chuckles)
Russ: well it's not eight thirty, is it? Which is
normally what it would be.
Tia: true, normally yes.
Russ: and I did get further in everything I
promised, didn't I?
Tia: uh-huh, we'll let you off.
Russ: thank you.
(Skip chuckles once more)
Tia: only slightly.
Skip: is it your turn in the barrel tonight, Russ?
Russ: always is.
Skip: anyhow, I've got another question.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: do your people or you personally believe in a
supreme.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: being?
Tia: supreme deity. Well it's more along the lines
of a supreme mental......
Skip: creator?
Tia: yeah, kind of. On my planet we have slightly
different beliefs. We believe in the goddess and we
believe in the tree spirits and the water spirits
and all different sorts of spirits.
Skip: hmmm.
Tia: but where I come from, the supreme being as you
would say would be a goddess.
Skip: a goddess?
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: okay, but she created all things?
Tia: all things. She created first and then she
created everything else.
Skip: okay, all right.
Tia: the story goes that she was lonely and wanted
companionship so she created lesser gods. And then
the lesser gods were also lonely because they wanted
things to play with and then they created our race,
and the birds, and the antelope, and the trees, and
the fungus's, and all sorts of things.
Skip: oh, okay.
Tia: and last of all they created the dogs.
Skip: hmm, all right. That answers my questions.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: thank you.
Tia: but in my research when I was studying religion
when I first arrived here, it seems that every race
has a supreme being. It doesn't matter if it's a
male or female. I think it's interchangeable now.
Male or female is whatever it wants to be to suit
the environment.
Skip: yeah, I don't think that there's any gender
per se......
Tia: no.
Skip: okay? I don't believe that there is.
Tia: yeah, the Sirians believe that it is a
consciousness.
Skip: okay.
Tia: uh-huh, that we're all parts of, for want of a
better word, a supreme being.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: that all our minds make up this supreme being.
Skip: I think we got the same basic belief.....
Tia: uh-huh.
To: as human beings because we're all children of
the supreme being.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: okay?
Tia: yeah. I got into a theological discussion with
a Sirian who is called a heretic, I think that's the
correct phrase? And his comment was, "who created
the creator?"
Skip: yeah, that would be a very profound question.
Tia: uh-huh. And we argued backwards and forwards
that the creator was created himself.
Skip: came into being consciously.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: so it's a very deep philosophical and
theological discussion to get involved in.
Skip: yeah, I agree. You could argue that one for
days on end.
Tia: oh, we're still arguing it. He works for me,
he's one of my best research analysts.
Skip: hmm, okay. Well like I say, you could discuss
that for days on end.
Tia: yeah. Apparently he's not allowed back to
Sirius because he's in disgrace because of his
beliefs.
Skip: oh oh.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: oh oh. Well, it's just like, in this world
people won't die for money but they'll sure die for
religion.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes, even on my planet there were more
wars caused by religions......
Skip: different faiths and religions....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: and any other possible.....
Tia: well we've had one basic religion on my home
planet for about five hundred years......
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: but there's all the different beliefs of that
religion.
Skip: the spinoffs of it.
Tia: yeah.
Skip: yeah, I know what you're saying.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: we have the same thing here in the human race.
Tia: yeah.
Skip: we have so many spinoffs from the original
faith......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: or original religion.......
Tia: yeah.
Skip: and everybody kind of........well not
everybody, but a lot of people have interpreted for
their own......
Tia: personal gain.
Skip: yeah, personal gain or their own way of
believing, okay?
Tia: yeah.
Skip: maybe not personal gain per se but.........
Tia: well, studying your own religious background,
you have your Christian God.....
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: and then you have Islam that has another God.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: and then you have Buddhism that has another
God.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: and they all teach love thy neighbor, unless of
course he's a different religion.
Skip: by the way, even with all these different
names for their gods....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: the basic concept of all these faiths kind of
run parallel right from the beginning all the way
down to the present day.
Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, they all have their basic.......
Skip: supreme being.........
Tia: yeah, their basic laws. Love thy neighbor, that
shall not take somebody's life.
Skip: or steal.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: or bear false witness.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: or honor thy father and thy mother.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: in other words, all these things in almost
every faith run kind of parallel. I don't know why.
Tia: yeah, one faith will go to war with another
faith.
Skip: yeah.
Tia: it's very confusing.
Skip: because they're different.
Tia: yeah. It's the fear........I think it's your
race's fear of being different.
Skip: yes. People are afraid of difference.
Tia: uh-huh. The wars that we had on our planet when
the one religion was coming into being was more
along the lines of territorial conquest.
Skip: oh.
Tia: and it took a lot of life and lots of people
were killed and it was quite nasty.
Skip: that would be about the same thing that's
going on in the Eastern world right now.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: with the Jewish faith....
Tia: yeah.
Skip: and the other faith's religion per se going on
around them territorial wise, okay?
Tia: yeah.
Skip: it's about the same thing.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: but anyhow, that's just kind of basically what
I wanted to find out. I didn't want to get into a
couple week discussion on this thing.
Tia: yeah, it can go for a long time.
Skip: yeah, right.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: thank you.
Tia: you see, on my home planet I was training to be
a priestess.
Skip: that's what I understood.
Tia: uh-huh. So it is kind of a thing that makes me
very curious of different religions.
Skip: I just picked up a book from a lady friend of
mine.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: that discusses all the human religions per se,
okay?
Tia: yeah.
Skip: the ones that you mentioned plus quite a few
others.
Tia: yeah, the nature of ones.
Skip: and that's how I picked up on the supreme
being of each faith.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: plus the down the parallel line of the
different things and different faiths that more or
less correspond with each other. Like Buddhism has a
prayer wheel and a rosary and they have a lady and
child as a goddess and her child.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: and if you look at the Catholic faith, they
pray to Mary Magdalene and Jesus which is her
child.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: with rosary beads and that's kind of parallel
right there.
Tia: yeah, oh there's lots of parallels.
Skip: even though the languages are different.
Tia: uh-huh. Makes one wonder if there was contact
between the two in the early formative years.
Skip: well according to the author of this
book......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: he believes that these are parallel in the
sense that our supreme being, when they were
building their Tower of Babel.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: he confused people's words so they couldn't
understand each other so they couldn't continue to
build this tower to reach the heaven.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: not per se for the simple reason of not
reaching the heaven but for the simple reason that
they were so preoccupied with building it that they
had lost.....
Tia: contact.
Skip: their contact with the supreme being.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: so he confused the languages and yet they all
came from the same source more or less, okay? So
that their faiths and their languages run quite
parallel in a lot of their legends and stories and
backgrounds and so on and so forth.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: even though that they had spun off into
different faiths.
Tia: yeah, uh-huh.
Skip: hmm, yeah, it's quite interesting, it's quite
interesting.
Tia: yeah, I didn't know that story about the tower,
have to look it up.
Skip: oh, the Tower of Babel?
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: well, all people spoke the same language in
Europe at one time.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: they decided amongst them that they would
build this tower to reach the heaven to see God
personally, okay?
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: now, they concentrated on the construction of
this tower so complete and absolute that they quit
worshiping the supreme being.
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: they lost their contact in prayers and so
forth because they were so obsessed with building
this tower. To stop this and put the people back on
the right track more or less, this is why they call
it the Tower of Babel, because the contractor or the
architect couldn't understand the bricklayer because
God confused their languages.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: hey Skip......
Skip: yes.
Russ: hold on a second. I want to interject
something real quickly.
Skip: go ahead.
Russ: I'm just kind of had a thought that maybe the
Tower of Babel story is actually the solution of
what actually took place really in history. In other
words, what really took place in history that we've
studied with Omal....
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: is that in Babylon, which is real close to
Babel......
Skip: yeah, go ahead.
Russ: okay? They used to build what are called
ziggurats. The ziggurats are basically tall
pyramids....
Skip: okay.
Russ: or stepped pyramids with a square top on top.
Skip: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: and that's exactly what the Tower Babel has
been portrayed as in the pictures I've seen of it.
It was like a ziggurat only really tall.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: well what we studied is that in prehistory,
there was a battle tween a couple of alien races in
which a nuclear device was set off in Babylon, Sodom
and Gomorrah, and the Sinai Peninsula.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: and it could be that the story of Babel is
actually a handed down version of what happened to
Babylon.
Skip: it's possible. I hadn't......
Russ: it was early Babylon....
Skip: yeah.
Russ: before Babylon was rebuilt.
Skip: yes, yes, I know it was.
Russ: but in Sodom and Gomorrah about the same time
and Babylon were all pretty much wiped out.
Skip: yeah. Now I haven't looked it up in the text,
okay? The Bible itself.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: so I can't really give you an answer on your
context of it, okay?
Russ: uh-huh, right.
Skip: I'll have to look it up in the Bible and see
if that's the way they portray it, okay?
Tia: yeah, hmm.
Russ: well I'm thinking, boy.....
Skip: it's really close, yeah, it really is.
Russ: yeah, if something destroyed that particular
tower that was just so destructive. It just wiped
out everything around it.
Skip: well.....
Russ: I mean it wasn't like a huge blast, it was
like a little baby nuke. And there's still radiation
being found there.
Skip: okay......
Russ: in those areas.
Skip: from what I understand, it wasn't wiped out.
Tia: the people fled.
Skip: the people fled because they couldn't
understand each other.
Russ: it might be that they didn't understand each
other perhaps because of such devastation......
Skip: that could be too.
Russ: would maybe wipe out some hearing, take away
various sight, ability to speak.
Skip: yeah, right.
Russ: sounds like things are handed down as the
diluted version of what actually took place in
history. Because Omal and I have discussed this....
Skip: yeah.
Russ: in other terms and it just clicked right now when you're
talking about Babel, Babylon, boy the two it
just....
Skip: yeah, it's so close, it's really close. Well
they call it the tower of Babel for the simple
reason that when the words were confused between the
people....
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: one person couldn't understand the other so
they babbled, all right?
Russ: right.
Skip: like the cement masons couldn't understand the
contractors or the architects or they couldn't
understand the laborers or so on and so forth.
Russ: what if it's possibly a tale told by mothers
to their children saying......or to preachers or
ministers, elders whatever, teaching about the
hazards of trying to reach to God's level?
Skip: yeah.
Russ: and they took a story that was actually
factual but so far back and they turned it into
something to make it into a lesson, the lesson made
it into the Bible.
Skip: well now, okay according to as I understand
it, okay? The Bible isn't man's recording, it's
God's word.......
Russ: right.
Skip: okay? As I understand it okay? Is what I'm
trying to stay.
Russ: right.
Skip: all the stories, all the words of the book are
God's word given to man to record. But it's quite
interesting.
Russ: I've got a Bible around here somewhere, you go
ahead and go on with Tia and I'll see if I can't do
a little bit more research while I'm working on it.
Skip: anyhow, sorry to open up that can of peas
but....
Tia: oh that's all right.
Skip: I was just kind of curious. Uh-huh, I'll put
on the next person and we'll work through the
roster.
Skip: okay, go ahead.
Josh: I don't have anything.
Tia: no, nothing? What about you young man?
Tyrell: no.
Skip: you got no questions at all?
Tyrell: no.
Tia: none at all?
Tyrell: nope.
Judy: how do we control his anger Tia?
Tia: focus it, use it.
Skip: you want to elaborate a little bit?
Tia: uh-huh. What are you angry at Tyrell? What gets
you angry?
Tyrell: a bunch of stuff.
Tia: a bunch of stuff, such as?
Tyrell: ummm, you stumped me.
Tia: I stumped you?
Tyrell: yep.
Tia: hmmm, you like to prove people wrong, don't
you?
Tyrell: me?
Tia: uh-huh.
Tyrell: sometimes.
Tia: well, you can focus your anger into proving
people wrong. People say that you can't do such a
thing. Let's say, you can't get straight A's all the
time. You want to prove them wrong? I'd bet you you
can get straight A's if you put your mind to it. And
the thing is with doing homework, is the quicker you
get it done, the quicker you can get out and have
fun. What do you want to be when you grow up?
Tyrell: a baseball player.
Tia: a baseball player, huh? Well, the thing is to
focus that anger on hitting the ball. But you're not
gonna be a baseball player forever, are you?
Tyrell: no.
Tia: what do you want to be after you're a baseball
player? You want to be something great, right?
Tyrell: yeah.
Tia: what things are you interested in?
Tyrell: football.
Tia: football.
Tyrell: hockey.
Tia: hockey. So you're very interested in sports,
huh?
Tyrell: yeah.
Tia: hmm. Well, so to be good at any sport, you've
got to be able to do maths, right? You know, work
out the arc of the ball. You see the ball coming
towards you, right? You know where to hit it but you
know how hard to hit it and how far you're going to
hit it. That involves maths and physics. So, by
studying maths and physics, you know how to play the
game. Now, if they give you a book on the rules of
the game and fitness and technique and so on, you've
got to be able to read those rules very carefully.
So therefore you need to learn your English very
well. And by using your anger, right? You can focus
it on being the best that you can be at being
involved in sports. And the more you learn about
sports, the more you know about it and the more you
can tell people about it which teaches you
confidence and how to be eloquent in communication.
So by doing that you're focusing your anger on being
the best player of any game that you want to play.
So when you're angry, what you do is you remember
that if you control your anger and focus on what
you're doing, right? You can do a good job.
Tyrell okay.
Tia: uh-huh.
Judy: now, if I could just get him to practice it.
Tia: uh-huh. I think he's big enough to realize that
time's running out.
Skip: he will.
Tia: not going to be in school forever. And if you
want to be something like..........Ruth, Baby Ruth?
Skip: yeah, Babe Ruth.
Tia: oh well, so I was a few letters off.
(Everyone laughs)
Judy: one letter.
Tia: one letter, hmmph. I don't read English very
well. You want to be somebody like him that is
remembered long after you're gone, you've got to
learn how to focus that anger and use it. You've got
to learn how to hit the ball just right so that it's
hard for the people to catch. And when you hit the
ball, you hit as hard you can with all the anger
that you can so it goes flying great distances.
Skip: Tia?
Tia: uh-huh?
Skip: can I interject something here?
Tia: yeah, sure.
Skip: you wouldn't believe what kind of an artist
this young man is.
Tia: oh, you're an artist as well, huh?
Tyrell: yeah.
Tia: hmmm, have you thought about being an
architect? Building houses or drawing houses and
getting people to build them for you?
Tyrell: no.
Tia: you see, when you've finished playing baseball
you've got to have another trade. You can't live off
the money that you made as a baseball player. That's
going to disappear so you've got to learn all sorts
of things. You can build the house that's like a
baseball diamond. You could build the house that's
got all the key parts of baseball. I don't know what
they are but I'm sure that you could translate them
into building something. Or you could become
whatever you want to be. But the thing is that you
have to focus your anger where you want to be in 10
years, 15 years, 20 years, 25 years. Anyway, I've
gone on enough time, I've got to put on the experts.
Skip: you're in rare form tonight.
Tia: oh yeah.
Skip: you going to check out on us for a while?
Tia: yeah, I'm going to, I'm gonna go off and do
some research.
Skip: okay.
(Omal
is on to answer questions from the group)
Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Skip.
Skip: good evening Sir.
Omal: greetings young man, greetings young lady,
greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay.....
Skip: how are you doing Omal?
Omal: I'm doing fine, and yourself?
Skip: great, but I'm getting better.
Omal: good. Okay, I'm here to answer questions.
Skip: okay, are you the one that's.....
Omal: ahhh, that is Karra.
Skip: oh, okay. All right, never mind.
Omal: healer extraordinaire so I have been told you
could say.
Skip: okay, I'll pass on you then.
Omal: okay.
Russ: okay, we're doing a discussion on the Bible,
Omal.
Omal: uh-huh, I was paying full attention.
Russ: okay, here's something I want to interject
here then real quick.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, in the chapter before the Tower of Babel
which is Genesis ten? It describes the nations
descended from Noah....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: chapter ten, verse ten.........actually I'll
take verse nine......he was talking about Kush beget
Nimrod and he began to become a mighty one on earth.
He was a mighty hunter before the Lord therefore it
was said like Nimrod, the mighty hunter before the
Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel and
Kelnick in the land of Shinar.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: then you went over to Chapter eleven and it
says, "now the whole earth have one language and one
speech". And they said to one another, "come, let's
make and bake bricks" and they made bricks for stone
and the asphalt for mortar. And they said, "let us
build us a city with a tower whose top is in the
heaven". And the Lord looked down to see the city
and the tower which the sons of men had built. And
the Lord said, "indeed the people are one and they
all have one language and this is what they begin to
do. Come, let us go down there and there confuse the
language that they may not understand one another's
speech". The Lord scattered them abroad from there
over the face of all the earth, therefore its name
is called Babel because there the Lord confused the
languages of the earth and from there the Lord
scattered them abroad over the face of the earth.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Russ: but I get the feeling from reading the two
different chapters that there is a time lapse......
Omal: yes.
Russ: that takes place.
Omal: quite the time lapse.
Russ: quite a time lapse. Now we know, most people
that we're talking about here are descendants from
the fall of Atlantis.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay?
Omal: hence the one language.
Russ: hence the one language, Sirian.
Omal: dialect.
Russ: dialect of Sirian.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. Now, if we were discussing the, the
nuclear blast that we were discussing before in past
sessions......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and this is one of the places where that
happened, then that would scatter people because
they wouldn't want to be anywhere near where this
came about.
Omal: correct. And it would be taken as an act of a
deity.
Russ: a deity, correct. And the same thing with with
Sodom and Gomorrah....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: it would be taken as an act of the deity and I
mean scientists have shown that a nuclear blast,
though low in radiation, is very possible for the
same affect that took place in Sodom and Gomorrah
and caused those things to happen.
Omal: you have to remember that the technology
difference between then and now is quite different.
A nuclear device could be of quite a small size and
if it is refined and cleaned enough before being
used, it does not deliver a high yield in
radioactive.....
Russ: yeah, we use dirty nuclear's, right?
Omal: correct.
Russ: and there it could've been a real clean
nuclear reaction.
Omal: correct.
Russ: so it sounds like what it is is that these
are.......
Omal: describing the side effects from a blast. The
Tower of Babel is a metaphor for a projected goal. A
union to rebuild and it said, a city.
Russ: hmmm.
Omal: to rebuild what once was. And most cities of
that time did have a very high point in them. A
point where they could worship a higher deity. But
unfortunately, any person of military knowledge will
inform you that you build something high, it is
visible from a great distance. Whether it is from
the ground or from the air, it is visible for quite
a distance so therefore it becomes a target. And
rival factions from other places will take the
opportunity to disable the ability or the error.
Also the towers that they built at that time were a
little bit like your communication masts that you
have but on a much vaster scale with their own power
source.
Russ: sort of like the Great Pyramid but on a
smaller scale.
Omal: correct, and narrower but higher.
Russ: and narrower but higher, correct. Kind of like
a airport tower you might say.
Omal: kind of.
Russ: right. Now how about the correlation between
the name Babylon and Babel?
Omal: it is a translation error.
Russ: how so?
Omal: you have to remember that the translations
from the various languages of your Bible from its
original conception until the present day has been
translated how many times? At least five I believe.
Russ: yeah.
Omal: in words you get change.
Russ: I see. Now with the people being scattered,
their own languages would develop from that point,
correct?
Omal: correct, yes. Also damage done by a nuclear
blast would maybe necessarily confuse the brainwave
patterns of individuals and affect their speech
patterns.
Russ: well that's a point I hadn't thought of.
Skip: hmmm.
Russ: hmmm.
Omal: so there would be an instantaneous damaging
for some people and those people would be unable to
communicate with people of the same language but now
it has become a different language.
Russ: what about genetic differences taking place
after such a blast, anything?
Omal: certainly, there would be genetic differences
occurring. There would be mutations due to the low
radiation yield but genetic deviations would occur.
Russ: so in other words, it wouldn't be like where
you made a nuclear blast now, people are like
falling apart.
Omal: no, but there would be disruptions of.....
Russ: because their DNA would be significantly
altered compared to what it was prior to the blast.
Omal: not significantly....
Russ: oh.
Omal: but enough to rewrite the DNA in their
personal codes systems of the body.
Russ: so that would show up in different physical
traits, correct?
Omal: correct.
Russ: so people going from that point would not only
speak differently but they would look
differently......
Omal: eventually, yes.
Russ: eventually, correct. So we're talking about a
long time lapse here.
Omal: correct.
Russ: I see.
Omal: there are hints in your Bible of longevity.
Russ: well yeah, just after that it talks about guys
living two hundred plus years.
Skip: well, even six hundred years plus.
Russ: well before that. Before the Tower of Babylon
it was six or seven hundred years. After the tower
Babylon it was two hundred years.
Skip: well Moses lived six hundred years.
Russ: right. But that's prior to the Tower
of......no wait.
Skip: no, that was.......
Russ: yeah, afterwords.
Skip: that was afterwords because he was in Egypt
and he took his people out of Egypt.
Russ: that's right, that's right.
Skip: he parted the Red Sea.
Russ: so that could be one of the strains that
weren't maybe affected as much?
Omal: it's possible.
Skip: that could be, that could be.
Russ: okay.
Skip: in excess of six hundred years.
Omal: there are people that are recorded in your
Bible living longer.
Skip: yes there are.
Russ: okay, so in other words, our shortened
lifespans could be perhaps a byproduct of these
explosions but....
Omal: there are other contributing factors for the
shortening of the lifespan.
Russ: true.
Skip: yeah. And now that we're becoming aware of our
environments, our lifespans are starting to increase
again. I think that the average lifespan in the 14th
century was something like thirty-five years.
Omal: that is about correct.
Russ: but the early Hebrews and other people in that
land especially back in Genesis time........
Skip: yeah.
Russ: knew more about locust and honey and..........
Skip: yeah, right. Time progressed, people lost that
so their lifespans started to shorten.
Russ: right.
Skip: now, they're getting back to it. We're
starting to expand out our lifespan again through
medication, through the taking care of the human
body and taking care the environment and so on and
so forth.
Russ: now a lot of healing techniques were carried
off from Atlantis, correct?
Omar correct.
Russ: some were left in Egypt.
Omal: a surprising high percentage of healers
survived Atlantis.
Russ: hmm. But unfortunately, most of the
information they carried was either passed
word-of-mouth or held on scrolls.
Omal: correct.
Russ: none of which would survive to the present day
except.....
Omal: unfortunately no.
Russ: correct. So it could be that the longevity
also could be contributed to a higher healing skill
that....
Skip: this is possible. Because we're getting more
education now....
Russ: right.
Skip: than you had in the 14th century, or the 13th,
or 12th century, you know what I'm saying.
Russ: right.
Skip: we're getting better educated. More
conscientious of what's going on around us rather
than being a small island of every family.
Russ: right. It's almost as if we're coming back
together again, doesn't it?
Skip: yeah, it seems.......
Russ: especially with the Internet that I'm going
back onto.
Skip: yeah, we're getting back to correspondence
with other people rather than being an island by
ourselves.
Russ: right.
Skip: by expanding your consciousness like this by
being in contact with other people, you're learning
more faster than ever before.
Russ: true, exponentially Omal, we're like growing
in leaps and bounds, aren't we?
Omal: yes, you are learning rather rapidly.
Sometimes it is alarming on how much you do learn.
But in comparison with the elapsed time from one
race to another, it is surprisingly slow.
Skip: well yeah, but to our short terms of lifespan,
it's very swift.
Omal: yes.
Skip: because in my generation which I'm considered
an older person in human years, okay? To this young
man here, he's learned more in his eleven years that
I have learned in probably in twenty. But anyhow,
what I'm trying to say is the younger generation now
is learning so much more, so much quicker than we
did.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: in my time. I say my time, I'm talking about
my generation.
Russ: yeah, of course.
Skip: my generation was kind of a self-centered
family orientated generation where you didn't go
outside of that. You didn't have that much contact
with other people or other races or anything else.
Now these young people that's coming up now, they've
got contact with everybody.
Russ: more extended.
Skip: yes it is. Way more extended. Because my
grandfather never got over fifty miles away from his
own property in his whole lifespan and that was
eighty-five years.
Russ: so Omal, where is this all leading to then if
what......?
Omal: it is leading to a time when races will start
to come together as one. You already have a area
where races are unifying.
Skip: yeah.
Omal: where other parts of the world they're tearing
themselves apart. But it is a process that will go
on throughout the whole entire planet. There are
factors coming into play that will slow down which
is necessary as if you into the world too quickly
you spoil it. So by having a dissolution of
societies and races, may in actual fact benefit
because it pulls those people that are intelligent
enough together to achieve a common goal. It is
almost like the Tower of Babel. A projected
engineering, a process to achieve a goal.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: and things that are hurried are normally made
a mistake of.
Russ: would you consider let's say the Internet as
being sort of our Tower of Babel then?
Omal: it could be.
Russ: I mean because people speak with one language
thanks to the ability of computers to be able to
just translate instantaneously words from one
language. Like I could speak to Japan. They could be
typing in Japanese, I'm typing in English but we
both understand each other's languages.
Omal: correct. It is the same sort of process. It is
a project which has been many thousands of years in
the works.
Russ: hmm, is this taking us back then to the
Atlantean roots from whence it all sprang?
Omal: that is possible. Remember, we're talk in
cycles.
Russ: oh yeah, that's right. We're talking about the
one goal that we set forth from Sirius.
Omal: uh-huh. To achieve a utopia.
Russ: correct.
Skip: okay, would this possibly be a goal of putting
us into space to explore other worlds?
Omal: returning to space would be a better word.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Omal: returning back to space.....
Skip: oh, okay, all right. But what I'm trying to
say is by unifying......
Omal: yes, that would be the perfect objective. To
reunify and to reachieve and reestablish the contact
that you once had.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: that would be neat, that would really be neat.
Omal: and that is where you as a engineer come into
play, Skip. Maybe not this time around.
Skip: I'd love to. Oh goodness gracious, I'd love
to.
Omal: maybe you should write down some of your
dreams of engineering that you have had.
Skip: oh, I'd love to go back to space. I really
would Omal.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: it would just tickle me right down to the
ground.
Omal: okay, let us continue.
Russ: okay, anybody else?
Skip: this is quite interesting tonight, it really
is. I guess I opened a can of peas, I'm sorry about
that.
Russ: that's where our best sessions come from. It's
just off the top of our heads.
Skip: oh man, but this is really super interesting
tonight, thank you Omal, I appreciate it.
Omal: you're welcome.
Russ: now Johnny had a question about nuclear
testing that China and France are doing and where
that is leading right now?
Omal: that is one of those factors that throws a
insect into the ointment. At the moment they are
little insects but if they are not controlled
carefully and monitored carefully, they can be very
detrimental.
Russ: hence the whole process we're talking about.
Omal: correct. Because they are not clean for one
thing.
Russ: correct.
Omal: secondly, they are done in ill-conceived
areas. Thirdly, it is creating friction which will
accelerate the process that we have discussed in the
past.
Russ: yeah.
Omal: those countries now have become un-trusted
which is the problem of reunification. That that
cannot happen until everybody trusts everybody else.
Skip: that's a big step.
Omal: yes. It is a very big step and a very
necessary one.
Skip: yeah.
Omal: there are other uses for nuclear devices than
blowing each other up.
Skip: well, we have power plants today in this
country and several other countries around the
world......
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: that..........
SIDE
ONE ENDS
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SIDE TWO
(Omal returns and the subject
at hand)
Skip: at least I would say probably 60% of us are
trying to use atomic energy for peaceful purposes.
Omal: uh-huh. But there is another step from the
atomic power plant that you can use.
Russ: you mean fusion?
Omal: that is a step, yes.
Skip: Omal, I got a question. I need to change the
subject here just a minute if you don't mind,
please.
Omal: yes.
Skip: okay, they have been talking for I think
about ten years, maybe a little longer than that,
about building what they call a collider.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: now this is a huge underground system to
collide atomic energy as I understand, now maybe
I'm wrong, for some other use rather than energy
or blowing people up.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: is this correct?
Omal: that is correct.
Skip: now what is a collider?
Omal: it is where atoms of a radioactive level are
collided at high velocity to create an explosion
which can be harnessed and used. And it does
dovetail with the conversation very nicely
actually because next step on the power level, it
creates enough energy for fusion and if you use
fusion as an engine, what can you do?
Russ: you power the world with clean nuclear
energy.
Skip: well, now wait a minute, is there way of
harnessing it to put it in a container so that we
can use it for rockets.....
Omal: yes, exactly.
Skip: to get off of Earth's surface?
Omal: correct.
Skip: is there a way to harness this and put it in
a container?
Omal: yes.
Russ: oh yes, most definitely.
Skip: because atomic energy won't do it the way
we're using it now.....
Omal: no.
Skip: in watercooled heater rods.
Omal: no, that would not work.
Skip: that doesn't work for rocket engines. There
is no way that you can use that system or
application for a rocket engine. But if there's a
way to harness fusion to put in a container
or......how would I say that?
Russ: you can use it into a smaller.......
Skip: a better application than the water.......
Russ: you would have to build it in space.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: you couldn't build it here on earth and send
it up. You'd have to build it in space and it
would have to launch from the space station. Let's
say the one they're building.
Skip: okay, all right. They haven't started that
yet, they still got that on the planning board or
whatever.
Omal: I believe it is projected for '97.
Russ: yes it is.
Skip: it is?
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: uh-huh, oh absolutely.
Skip: they started?
Russ: the last shuttle flight that they just did,
did a lot of experiments that were based on
enabling space astronauts for working for long
extended periods while in space. The new
spacesuits are they just developed.
Skip: oh well great.
Russ: that was one of the main keys for this last
shuttle mission.
Skip: well super.
Omal: maybe I should put on the engineer herself.
Skip: well no, no, that's okay Omal. We're having
a ball with you, believe me.
Omal: I believe it would be enhanced by putting on
the engineer.
(Skip laughs)
Skip: okay, all right and it's been nice talking
to you.
Omal: it's been nice talking to you.
Russ: farewell Omal.
Omal: farewell. Live long, prosper, and I'll be
back.
Skip: thank you.
Omal: I believe the young man will appreciate that
comment.
Skip: I'm sure he does.
(Tia comes to
switch speakers)
Tia: I suppose I better hustle and put on the
engineer.
Skip: good evening darling.
Tia: I'll be back.
(Kiri is in to answer
questions)
Skip: she's orchestrating this tonight, huh?
Russ: yeah, tonight.
Skip: okay, all right.
Russ: hi Kiri, what up love?
Kiri: yo, I'm here. Okay, business time, huh?
Engineering.
Russ: tell us all about it sweetheart.
Skip: good evening Kiri.
Kiri: seems like I've been given a blue light.
Skip: no, you been given a green light.
Russ: green light darling.
Kiri: hmpphh, blue on our planet.
Skip: okay. All right, okay.
(Kiri sighs in jest)
Kiri: propulsion systems. Okay, a random
propulsion system powered by a cold fusion
reaction fired at a steady stream will give you a
velocity approaching quarter lightspeed which will
take you how many years to travel four
light-years, quarter speed?
Russ: take you......
Skip: sixteen years.
Kiri: correct.
Russ: right.
Kiri: okay, that's as fast as you can travel
safely without having other devices to stabilize
the molecule constructions of the occupants and
the vessel itself. Okay, now, if you take a
reaction of a nuclear system and you create the
power necessary to power.........you can use
nuclear reactors in space. They're the power
source to create the necessary chemical reaction
but not directly. They're like the battery of
your.....
Russ: car.
Kiri: car. They're the electrical supply for the
reaction. After all, your car doesn't really need
an electrical device to make it go, doesn't it?
Skip: yes.
Kiri: you could use heated bits of metal to create
the explosion. Very inefficient but it does work
and that's what you're headed for in space is a
explosion that is focused and therefore propels a
vessel. You see, you don't need a continuous power
source. You don't need it putting out power all
the time because in space in zero gravity there is
no friction whatsoever. You could have something
like this traveling in this direction you don't
have to worry about friction because there is no
air, there is nothing to create friction.
Russ: in other words, you could fire a rifle and
the bullet would travel until it hit something.
Kiri: correct and it will keep going. And it's the
same with creating an explosion. You have to focus
the explosion away or in the opposite direction of
your projected target and it has to be strong
enough to create the necessary speed. So, what do
you use a nuclear reactor for is for the ignition
system. You use cold fusion for the power source
for the engine, not the ignition system.
Russ: there's no environmental danger because in
space you have nuclear energy going around you all
the time from various stars.......
Kiri: that's correct, that's correct.
Russ: so a nuclear explosion in space is not going
to affect anything whatsoever.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: and there is fuel all around you in space as
well.
Russ: hydrogen atoms you said?
Kiri: correct. So what you use is a chemical or a
mixture of chemicals which are very volatile and
create a explosion that is focused. But you need
the nuclear reactor to create the right
circumstances to ignite the chemicals that are to
be detonated.
Russ: so you're talking about two reactors
basically?
Kiri: basically, yeah.
Russ: one hot, one cold.
Kiri: uh-huh and that's as far as I can tell you
without getting into deep trouble.
Skip: yes, yes, I figured that.
Kiri: yeah, I could tell you how to build an
engine that you wouldn't need a nuclear reaction
at all.
Russ: yeah, we know about those.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I do anyway.
Kiri: and what do you think you know?
(Skip laughs again)
Russ: being as I've seen one.
Kiri: yeah, but do you know how they really work?
Russ: I've got a pretty good idea and we discussed
it before. I've got the tape that tells you all
about it.
Kiri: yes, but I've left out some very key parts.
Russ: true, but those could be figured out.
Kiri: uh-uh.
Russ: if you say so darling. You know more than I
do on the subject.
Kiri: oh thank you. I'm glad you remember that.
(Russ chuckles)
Skip: but then, from what Omal said......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: fusion can be harnessed into a container.
Kiri: yes.
Skip: hmmm.
Kiri: it is a little bit like your rocket systems.
You have a fuel tank, right, like this?
Skip: yeah, right, right.
Kiri: you have another one below it, you have a
pipe coming down from this side and a pipe from
this side coming to a chamber where it's ignited.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: it's a little bit like that. That is the
storage area right here where the explosion
happens.
Skip: yes.
Kiri: the chemicals are mixed together but they
will not explode until the right proportion
happens.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: so by having the right mixture in the right
proportion, you have the power supply right there.
That is the container that Omal is wanting.
Skip: okay, all right. Okay, I got you. All right,
now I understand what you're saying.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: okay, thank you, I appreciate that. I don't
want to get you into trouble so.....
Kiri: oh, that's quite all right.
Skip: so we'll leave it at that, okay?
Kiri: yeah, because I can get very technical
because we can actually do away with these two
here.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: and we can substitute them for an inlet here
and a direct reaction from here.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: okay, but I guess I don't want to get you in
hot water.
Kiri: oh that's quite all right, that's quite all
right.
Skip: oh.
Kiri: I'm used to being in hot water.
Skip: yeah, but that's not fair.
Kiri: no, true, true. Often as not I put myself
into trouble.
Skip: yeah, I know. It still isn't fair.
Kiri: but back to chemical reactions in a vessel
with the technology that you have.
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: you have your nuclear reactor, right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: you have your collider which is powered by
the nuclear reactor. The collider creates the
energy supply and the inlet for the reaction to
occur with the outside inlet.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: okay, that in turn creates a very unstable
condition which explodes.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: when that explodes with the correct angles
and deflections for the explosion, you have the
explosion going this way and the vessel going this
way.
Skip: uh-huh, huh-huh.
Kiri: the stronger the explosion and the stronger
the containment field, right?
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: the tighter the stream that comes out which
pushes the vessel away. The tighter the stream the
faster it goes.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: ideally, you would have a chamber let's say
the size of this room, right?
Skip: uh-huh, yeah.
Kiri: and you'd have an outlet hole this big.
Skip: about an eight inch outlet port.
Kiri: yeah, about eight inches.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: that would be about three units of our
measurement. And it has to be precise and
detailed. Too big, and you waste too much energy.
Too small and it blows itself to pieces.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: it has to be spot on.
Skip: yes.
Kiri: and having an interior that is highly
polished again helped to focus the energy......
Skip: okay.
Kiri: and that's where the angles come into play.
I can't tell you the angles because that would
take the experience of learning out of the
formula.
Skip: yes, yes, I understand.
Kiri: so by doing it that way, you have a
propelling system that will give you the maximum
amount of energy yield and thrust that is
necessary to propel a vessel of whatever size that
you want over a distance.
But you cannot approach anywhere closer than one
quarter lightspeed.
Skip: because it will start tearing tearing the
molecules up, you'll start melting your molecules?
Kiri: correct, you'll start breaking down to a
molecular level.
Skip: yeah, you're starting to actually melting
everything away.
Kiri: yeah, and also traveling at that without
curving or bending space, you start to experience
problems with time as well.
Skip: yeah, I.....
Kiri: the closer you reach the speed of light, the
less time that is expelled for the person in the
vessel.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: for example.....
Skip: okay, in other words, you're saying you're
traveling the speed of quarter light-year.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: that would take you sixteen years to travel
four light-years.
Kiri: uh-huh, correct.
Skip: but your aging process.....
Kiri: would be slowed down by one quarter.
Skip: yeah. So you would age less than four
years.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: in the sixteen years you travel.
Kiri: correct. The best way to look at it is that
clock up there, right? You are traveling at the
speed of light, right? And that clock says, what?
Twenty after the hour?
Skip: yes.
Kiri: traveling at the speed of light, that's what
it would say forever to you until you stop
traveling at that speed.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: okay, now let's say that you traveling at
half speed speed of light, right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: okay, the clock will go half as fast to you
as it does for everybody else.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: the observer in the field that is traveling
at half the speed of light will see things being
streaked, right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: people will move and half the speed that
they're moving at.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: so you can get up and walk along the whole
entire length of the room and a person walking at
the same speed will only travel half the distance.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Russ: in other words, you go sixteen light-years
and you age one year.
Skip: no, you age four.
Russ: four.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: because you going one quarter.
Russ: oh, right.
Kiri: yeah.
Skip: so by traveling four light-years in your
perception, you're actually traveling sixteen.
Kiri: correct.
Skip: okay?
Russ: but the nearest star that's habitable would
be the Alpha Centauri.
Kiri: Alpha Centauri's is a little bit iffy. You
could inhabit it, yes.
Russ: I mean a planet within four light-years.
Kiri: oh, yes.
Skip: how far are we from Alpha Centauri?
Kiri: actually at the moment about three point
nine.
Russ: yeah.
Skip: 3.9....
Kiri: light-years.
Skip: light-years?
Kiri: uh-huh. That is your nearest habitable
planet. Sirius? No, there's not a habitable planet
there anymore. Not your dimension anyway.
Skip: no, okay. All right, okay.
Russ: still, who needs it? That's twice the
distance, we don't have to go that far. We can
merely go to Centauri.
Kiri: you might go there for the ruins.
Skip: a little bit of digging, huh?
Kiri: yeah, with a high radiation suit.
Russ: oh, no digging's necessary, it's right there
on the surface.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: not that you'd actually want to go visit it.
Kiri: no, because in the third dimension it's a
hot, radioactive wasteland.
Skip: hmm, okay.
Kiri: in your skin you would last probably maybe
twenty seconds?
Russ: very nice in the sixth dimension though.
Kiri: uh-huh. In a spacesuit I would give you
about a minute. You'd have to use a very high
radiation resistant suit to spend any time there
and then you'd have to spend a long time being
decontaminated.
Russ: we wouldn't need to, just send down probes.
Kiri: yes, but what you bring back is going to be
radioactive.
Skip: you'd have to decontaminate it.
Russ: bring back pictures? I mean just set it down
and broadcast from there.
Kiri: uh-huh. But radioactivity does affect
transmission of information.
Russ: heavily shielded maybe.
Kiri: it'd have to be tightly focused.
Skip: that's quite a deal.
Kiri: uh-huh. So, if you can run experiments on
creating a focused explosion that is let out of an
outlet, then you might be up for a Nobel Prize in
your physics department.
Skip: well, I won't do that in my time.
Kiri: oh yeah?
Skip: oh yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Dovetails with what my sister's
going to talk about.
(Skip burst out laughing)
Skip: my time is just about done..
Kiri: no it's not, uh-uh. I'll let my sister
handle that in a few minutes. Your time is just
beginning.
Skip: what do you mean my time's just beginning?
What's all this?
Kiri: I'll let my sister cover that.
Skip: okay. Are you the one to ask about
this......
Kiri: my sister and myself will be working
together. I'm going to be supplying the mobility
while she does the brain work.
Skip: okay, all right, okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. And she's sitting down getting ready
at the moment.
Skip: all right.
Kiri: we're going to enlarge the field in a few
minutes.
Skip: okay. I was just kinda curious. I just
didn't know who I was going to have to talk
to.......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: to find out what the heck's going on with
me. I do have my problems.
Kiri: oh yeah. But there's a little bit of it
right there I think.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. But in the meantime, do you have any
questions, guys?
Skip: Tyrell?
Tyrell: no.
Skip and Kiri: Judy?
Judy: no.
Skip: are you sure?
Kiri: oh, come on, you got questions.
Judy: my mind's blank.
Skip: well, we got into some pretty heavy
conversations.
Kiri: oh, you think this is heavy? You ought to
hear the conversations I have with a couple of my
lab assistants.
Skip: I don't usually get into this real heavy,
heavy.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: I'm usually pretty quiet.
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh. But physics is very important.
Especially astrophysics and engineering, combining
the two. Most people don't realize that
astrophysics and engineering go hand-in-hand.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: I mean, back on my home planet when I was
attending our learning institutes, as an engineer,
I spent a lot of time learning physics.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: for example, gravity works.
Skip: yes it does.
Kiri: but I bet you I can reverse that.
Skip: I'm sure you could.
Kiri: uh-huh. I'd just create a magnetic energy
field that has a resonance between the two that
keeps it balanced in the middle.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: very simple physics.
Skip: I just wish I could tack on some more of my
memory to help me along in this life but.....
Kiri: yeah, all's you need to do is tap into the
right one and you're set for the next hundred
years.
Skip: well, I just can't.................it eludes
me. It isn't that I can't, it eludes me.
Kiri: maybe you're not thinking in the right
avenues?
Skip: that's possible.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: well I do know one thing, I'm getting very
disgusted with myself about my procrastination.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: it's getting to be an obsession.
Kiri: yes. Okay, we're going to link minds. Big
sis is ready.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: yeah, she says she's ready. We're gonna set
Mark's body up in a sitting position.
Skip: and play with the pussycat.
Kiri: not as bad as Tia does.
Skip: okay.
(Karra takes over with the
help of Kiri)
Karra: greetings.
Skip: good evening.
Karra: good evening, how's it going? Yes we know.
Okay, here we go. Psychoanalyst time.
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay, now, you mentioned that you have a
disgust of not achieving your goal.
Skip: that's correct.
Karra: right, you have a great fear of that. Also,
you made comments earlier on whilst I was arriving
about not having long.
Skip: not having what?
Karra: not having long left.
Skip: oh, yeah.
Karra: you have a long time left. You're going to
try to outlive your father that lived to
eighty-five, right?
Skip: that was my grandfather.
Karra: grandfather.
Skip: yeah, I have no idea about my father, okay?
Karra: you're going to outlive him. Put your mind
to it and you're going to outlive him. And you're
going to focus on being active, okay?
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: now, it seems to me having to listened to
you on the telephone and from talking here and my
sister and Tia talk to you, that you have a fear
of age. How old are you?
Skip: sixty-two.
Karra: how old do you feel?
Skip: oh, forty-five.
Karra: we can do better than that.
Skip: no, I'm serious, I'm dead serious, okay?
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, well first of all what we've
got to do is we've got to get you focusing again
because you're not focused properly, are you?
Skip: uh-uh.
Karra: okay, I believe on the telephone they
discussed setting goals........
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: objectives, okay?
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Karra: right, we're going to set a new objective
tonight, right?
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay, we're going to set an objective for
you to relax, to unwind. But this business of
yours, you can't do it if you're not focused or
relaxed, can you?
Skip: I don't believe so.
Karra: okay, what we want you to do is tonight
when you get home is to sit with your legs crossed
like we have Mark's legs sitting.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: okay? Pick a point on the wall, close your
eyes and visualize that point.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: think of nothing else and just feel
yourself breathing and focusing on that point. Put
your hands like this.....
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: and go....
(Karra breathes deeply)
Karra: just like that.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: okay? And think of nothing. Just imagine
that point on the wall.
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay. And when you're thinking of nothing,
listen to your heart, listen to yourself breathing
and keep visualizing. Those are the three things
that we want you to do.
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay, now that will get you relaxed. Now,
once you have achieved being relaxed, what we want
you to do is write down the first thing that comes
into your head. The following night we want you to
do the same thing. It doesn't matter if it's only
five or ten minutes, ten minutes would be perfect.
Five minutes would be acceptable.
Skip: okay.
Karra: just pick a point, breathe, and listen to
your heart. And then on the second night doing the
same thing, we want you to write down a person
that comes into your head and label it day one,
day two. On the third day we want you to do the
same thing but don't look at the first two days.
When you write it down, right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: the person that comes into your mind, you
put it in an envelope, you put it face down
somewhere, put a weight on top of it and then you
put day two down on top of that one and day three
and we'll do this for five days.
Skip: okay.
Karra: right? First thing that comes into your
head. And you'll see from day one to day five a
difference in the person that you think of.
Skip: okay.
Karra: right? That is focusing.
Skip: all right.
Karra: that will be focusing on the one thing,
okay? And, as you focus and become relaxed, the
fear will go away. Fear is a tool to be used. Tia
talks about using anger as a tool, fear can also
be used as a tool.
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay? Now, also it seems that you have a
fear of failure, right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: now, the next time that you have that panic
attack say, "hey, it doesn't matter, I will face
the fear. I will turn around and I will see the
fear coming at me and the fear I will spit on. I
spit at its eye and laugh at it". And when you
feel that coming on think of something funny. Make
yourself laugh and that fear will just go (poof)
gone. Okay, now do you have some questions so far?
Skip: no, you answered them for me.
Karra: okay. Now, back to the fear again and using
it. If you look at the fear, right? You know what
the face of fear is?
Skip: it's within myself, I know that.
Karra: uh-huh. I know what the face of my fear is
and it's my face.
Skip: well, I think my failure is probably my
biggest fear....
Karra: uh-huh.
Skip: because that's all done all my life.
Karra: you've never failed. Tell me one thing that
you have failed at.
Skip: well, I'm not rich and famous.
Karra: rich and famous, what does that achieve?
People coming to you and calling you at all hours
of the night?
Skip: they do that anyway.
Karra: I'll tell you a story that Kiri told me.
Skip: go ahead.
Karra: okay, she heard that this gentleman phoned
Carl Sagan at 2 o'clock in the morning and he
goes, "Mr. Sagan, what is the theory on time
travel?" And Mr. Sagan goes, "you know what time
it is?" And the guy goes, "yes, it's 2 o'clock in
the morning". And Carl Sagan goes, "why do you
want to know this?" And he goes, "well, I want to
know it right now" and Mr. Sagan goes, "that's not
the question, why do you want to know this?" And
he goes, "I want to know what is the theory of
time travel, I want to know right now". Carl Sagan
goes, "why do you want to know right now?" And the
person on the phone that was in a bar and run
said, "because in the morning I won't care" and
that's what failure is, okay? So at the moment, it
upsets you but tomorrow, why care about it? A
failure is something to learn from. It is
somewhere to head to. If you fail, you know why
you failed.
Skip: I don't know, I don't even know why I
failed. All I know is that I just prodded through
life, mediocre all my life.
Karra: no you haven't, you have been a great
success, more than you realize. Look around you,
look at these people that are with you. If you
were a failure, would they be with you?
Skip: well, I can't really answer that either.
Karra: uh-huh. I will point out a failure to you.
There's a gentleman on the corner of a street that
you go past every morning, right? His clothes are
dirty, his beard is unwashed, his hair is yellow
with dirt. I believe he sleeps in a hotel that is
paid for by the government. The person drinks a
lot. He has failed in his purpose as a human
being. You haven't failed at all, you have a
house. You have a family, you have good friends.
You may think that you failed, you may have set
yourself goals which are impossible but who wants
to be rich and famous?
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: talking to somebody that is rich, I'm not
rich in money but spiritually I am rich. Yes Russ?
Russ: you are too rich.
Karra: we don't own the land, we only live on it.
The land belongs to all the people.
Russ: yes, but you administer the land.
Karra: that's right and that is the burden of
being rich.
Russ: correct.
Karra: but the most richest person on your planet
is the person that has peace and harmony.
Judy: in other words, it's not monetary value.
Karra: monetary value? You can take that away and
you can burn it. After all, you can't live off of
it, can you?
Skip: and then I have another question to ask you.
Karra: uh-huh.
Skip: why has so many people abandoned me in my
life?
Karra: people go on to different things all the
time. If I was to say all the people that I grew
up with when I was a young girl and all the people
that I served with when I was in the defense
force, lots of those people have left me, I don't
keep in contact with them. But the people that are
friends are always there. Acquaintances, whether
they live with us, whether they are people at work
or family members, they all leave at one time or
another. But the thing is to remember that they're
always with us in here.
Skip: that's just the problem, they're in there
too hard.
Karra: remember really the fun times. Everybody
goes at one time or another. My mother, I was very
fond of her and she made a choice that she had to
leave. She did something very brave but yet very
foolish and she had to leave, she had to go away
Russ: darling?
Karra: uh-huh?
Russ: what about your ex? Did he make a choice?
Karra: yes, he made a choice to save my life.
Russ: so, how can you be sad about that?
Karra: I'm not sad about it.
Russ: so then why can't I play that song?
(The Grateful Dead's "He's Gone")
Karra: because it's still a deep wound.
Russ: I know darling, I was just wondering.
Karra: it's something that is hard to talk about.
Russ: I know.
Skip: yes.
Karra: but it is something that when I close my
eyes and I think about it......
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: I smile. I remember him in my arms as he
said goodbye. And I remember the look on his face
and he still had a complete, whole face, that
smile was of peace and contentment. But, he's
gone, he'll be back one day.
Skip: I can't say that.
Karra: are you sure you can't say that?
Skip: yeah.
Karra: people are reborn all the time, you'd be
surprised. But the thing to remember is that one
day, you will be with them and as long as they're
in here they're not gone. They'll never be gone.
My ex-husband is always in here. All's I have to
do is close my eyes and I remember his smile, I
remember his practical jokes, I remember him
singing.
Skip: is there that much hurt in there?
Karra: sometimes hurt can be a good reminder, very
good reminder. It's painful, certainly, but it's
that pain that keeps us going. And besides, those
people that come into one's life briefly and are
gone again, we've helped them. Whether or not it
is good or bad, we helped them, Whether they
learn, that's up to them but we've helped them.
And we're never really alone, there's always
people around. I mean you've always got Russ, you
got Judy, you got Tyrell, you got Mark, are they
going to leave you?
Skip: I can't even see that.
Karra: no, I don't think they're not going to
leave you. They may move out of the house but
you'll always be their Skip. You'll always be
there for them and they will always be there for
you. You may fight with them but fighting is a
part of learning, fighting's a part of growing. We
fight, don't we?
Russ: constantly.
Karra: uh-huh. And I'm pretty sure Mark, Tia and
Kiri fight. Kiri says yes, she does fight with
Mark.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: and that is part of growing, those are the
people that we fight with that are always around.
I fight with Kiri frequently. Mainly over clothing
apparel but they are always there and we're never
alone. The person who is alone is deluding
themselves. The person that thinks that he has no
friends is again deluding himself. Even that guy
that you pass every morning that stands on the
street corner, he has friends. He may be failing
at what he's trying to do and no longer care but
do you really want to go down his road?
Skip: no, I don't want to go down that road.
Karra: so, are you really alone, are you really a
failure?
Skip: no, it's just bothering me that the panic
kept coming up inside me. I've never been
panicked, never, in my whole life.
Karra: not even when you were under fire?
Skip: no, that was total terror, that wasn't
panic.
Karra: that's the next stage on.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: but you see, you overcame that so you can
overcome something that isn't as bad quite easily.
Judy: can I help him?
Karra: uh-huh. Let it out Skip, Judy's offered to
help you. I let out my hurt from time to time,
don't I Russ?
Russ: oh yeah. Yeah, mine's a little blue period.
Karra: uh-huh. Everybody sheds water from their
eyes from time to time, let it out. That sometimes
is the strongest release.
Skip: hmm..
Karra: but remember to laugh at it afterwards.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: and Judy, as for helping Skip, I think you
know the questions to ask to bring it out because
it does take two to heal. But, you can help him
pull out the hurt because once the hurt is gone he
will be healed. He will be Skip of old, confident,
strutting down the street. But there is no fear,
the fear something to be used, to look at. If I
had a mirror I would show you the face of fear.
Skip: hmm, okay.
Karra: if you remember that the face of fear wears
the face that you see in the mirror.........
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: then there's nothing to be afraid of.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: failure is not failure so you can't be
afraid of failure because total failure you learn
nothing. And I bet when you think you failed that
you learned something so therefore it's not
failure.
Skip: yeah.
Karra: and that's the thing to remember. And as
for people leaving you all the time, there's
always other people coming along and they never
really leave you, they're always in here.
Skip: yeah, but that's just the problem right now,
they're in there.
Karra: uh-huh. Remember them as they were, the
fun, the adventure, the trouble......
Skip: sure.
Karra: you can laugh at them.
Skip: okay, thank you darling.
Russ: I have a question for you off the subject
before you leave.
Karra: uh-huh?
Russ: now, Tia was talking about a gentleman that
she worked with who they......
Karra: the heretic.
Russ: yeah.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: now, he's not allowed back on Sirius because
of his religious belief.
Karra: no, that's not quite true.
Russ: oh, well that's what she said.
Karra: she only told half the story.
Russ: well, I want to hear the other half darling.
Karra: he's a great orator.
Russ: okay.
Karra: a very great orator. He's a very analytic
mind which is why he works with Tia. He's also
very, very confident, you might say overconfident
and he's very persuasive. In fact, he's in Kiri's
class of coercive ability.
Russ: oh.
Karra: put all those combinations together and
what do you have?
Russ: Hitler.
Skip: more or less.
Karra: more or less. The heretic did have a number
of followers and believers in what he preached. I
won't get into what he preached because it is
heretical.
Russ: what about freedom of religion, sweetheart?
I mean, we have that down here, not that it brings
us much happiness.
Karra: yes, but this was dangerous, this was
dangerous.
Russ: oh.
Karra: it was more of a hearkening back to the
time of Tonar.
Russ: okay, I get it.
Karra: uh-huh. And of course, on a small base with
the select individuals that we have, he has no
audience.
Russ: I don't doubt that.
Karra: yes. No, we haven't had any luck, you can
tell Nicole we haven't had any luck with finding
anyone who looks like him yet.
Russ: oh no, she's going to be so disappointed.
Karra: well, I've been busy as you know and Tia's
been busy, we haven't been able to get down to the
corner bar as much. And Kiri's been busy with
designs.
Russ: wait a minute, ask Treena.
Karra: oh, Treeny.
Russ: Treeny.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I'll bet she knows.
Karra: I'll bet she would.
Russ: she tends bar there.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: show her a picture.
Karra: okay.
Russ: or show her a picture of Val Kilmer.
Karra: I'll punch one up on the computer and I'll
take the holo down.
Russ: perfect, that will work.
Karra: uh-huh. You just thought of Willow, you
want a picture like that?
Russ: no, just like this, the Doors.
Karra: oh, the Doors picture. I was thinking more
Willow.
Russ: I like that too but this is more the guy
that she's looking for.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: not the Willow brand, the Doors brand.
Karra: oh, you want somebody more like in that
flying movie with, what's his name that was in
Legend?
Russ: Tom Cruise.
Tyrell: Tom Cruise.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: oh yeah, Val Kilmer was in Top Gun.
Karra: yes, uh-huh.
Russ: yeah.
Karra: I think she would like something more like
that.
Russ: than the Top Gun version of Val Kilmer.
Karra: I'll see what I can find.
Russ: good luck. Show her all three, see what she
comes up with.
Karra: okay.
Russ: something between Willow, the Doors, and Top
Gun.
(Skip chuckles)
Judy: interesting combination.
Russ: I'll tell Nicole that you're working on it.
Karra: uh-huh, yes, I will take personal charge of
the thing. We're gonna put the monster back on.
Russ: all right.
Skip: okay. Thank you.
Karra: okay, no problem. And Skip, before I go,
anytime that you need somebody to talk to, I'm
sure that Russ and Mark will be available.
Russ: yeah, absolutely.
Skip: okay.
Karra: I know that Mark's gonna be available for
six weeks. Any time of the day.
Skip: okay.
Karra: okay.
Russ: bye love.
Skip: so long.
(Tia comes in humming in to finish the session)
Russ: did she mean monster as in Godzilla or the
mummy?
(everyone chuckles while Tia continues to hum)
Skip: we don't need any yellow ribbons tonight.
Judy: King Kong is a little strong.
Russ: yeah, that's true.
Tia: watch it, I have PK, I can pick things up and
throw them. I just can't throw them from here down
to there.
Russ: that would be a trick.
Tia: uh-huh, it would be quite a trick.
Russ: that would be a good one.
Tia: uh-huh. I'd even get Omal to raise his
eyebrow. And as for Korton, Korton I think I could
impress Korton too. Mind you, apparently I
impressed the hell out of Korton when he heard
about my computer skills.
Russ: well, I'm sure a report got to him, yeah.
Tia: uh-huh. It might have involved communications
so I imagine it would.
Russ: yeah. Okay darling how much time do we got
left?
Tia: we probably got about five minutes.
Russ: five minutes, okay. I've got a bunch of
serious stuff I can work with or we can just go
with the fun stuff.
Tia: let's go with the fun stuff. Session's almost
over.
Russ: fair enough.
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