Archivist Notes: In last month's podcast we
discussed where the survivors of Atlantis settled
after the continent was lost and this month it's that
we learn of the survivors of Lemuria and how only a
few pockets we left when the colonists of Sirius
settled on Atlantis. We also find out just where the
survivors of Lemuria come from during Omal's
conversation. It certainly fills in the gap of
information between the timelines of Lemuria and
Atlantis. Two continents that shared more than just a
calamitous end. History books only cover a very small
slice of the known history of the planet. It's true
history goes back far longer than science has taught
because science does not have the factors of earth's
sister worlds to add in to the equation. For a deeper
explanation of the sister worlds he mentions, please
refer to Kiri's recitation of "The
Sirian Chronicles" from the podcast from July of
Tia start the session off with a lesson on
the moral upbringing and the importance of instilling
the five main ones she offers. She also clarifies for
us the difference in lying and explaining the reality
of Santa Claus. Things get really going with Omal who
replaces Tia as speaker as he sets up a discussion to
be taken up in the future concerning the evolutionary
development of a race in our planet's early history.
The race he is talking about are the Sirians who came
to earth to settle on first Lemuria and later
Atlantis. He helps clear up the timeline between the
two continents and how Lemuria was no longer in
existence at the founding of Atlantis but
that some survivors were still left.
His dissertation focuses on the visitors from earth's
sister worlds and the after effects an
isolation from those sister worlds cut off earth from
their influence. Karra is the final speaker on
side one and gives us a lesson on
quantum healing, the science of
which is only starting to gain traction now in the 21rst century as we come to
understand it better but she was
already a master of it in 1997. It
all starts with belief and how
minds reacts when the belief
up what she had shared,
it over to
Treebeard who was our next
this was still
when he was "The
Man With the
subject of devas
led us to
in Sirian they
that had to
over 800 years
ago when as a
boy of 15 he and
called for the
to assist in an
He ends his talk
of many years
well as a
visit by the
speakers for side
two, Kiri ends
the session up
with her own memories
calling of a
deva but not
one of nature,
nature. One of
abilities of a
deva we were
not aware of
leads to her
a word to
up a moral
Kiri had to
make at the
more fully in
podcast when she
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Tia: September 1997.
Russ: 9:07 PM.
Tia: 9:07 PM. Okay, keep an eye on the chronometer. Okay, let’s get down to business as we do not know how long this tape is, my guesstimate is probably 30 minutes per side.
Russ: good guess.
Tia: uh-huh okay, let’s act accordingly and let me give a brief dissertation on moral behavioral patterns of raising of offspring and the importance to instill at an early age particular patterns that will be formed throughout the child’s life. But I will preface by saying that I feel that a positive enforced morals are a good thing for the upbringing of a child. The importance of morals will be made self-evident as I proceed in my eloquent communiqué. Morals and offspring. The importance of morals in the development at an early age even from the stage of infancy is very important. Simple vocal commands as no, don’t, naughty, wrong are used at an early age to correct a child’s behavior. If it is said in such a way, it is forced into the child that the word no said in that particular way will have a positive response command from the child that the child will stop doing what is wrong. Now as a child grows, those morals that are instilled, do not lie, do not disobey your parents unless it is a wrong decision, do not cheat, do not steal, do not hurt. These morals are all important because with these simple five morals, do not lie, do not go against your parents, do not cheat, do not steal, do not hurt, they’re all very functional in forming a good individual.
Let’s look at the first of all do not lie. Well this is a difficult one and the reason why it’s number one is that it needs some clarification. Sometimes it is necessary to bend the truth to protect an individual and this should be enforced as do not lie to a child at an early age. The child later on will figure out that there are certain times when it is appropriate to bend the truth, to lie in essence. And these situations that a child will come across will be developed through experience. Do not go against your parents unless what they tell you to do is wrong. Parents are very important to a child and by enforcing do not go against your parents, you can set it in the rest of the morals. Do not cheat. Cheating is bad because you do not achieve your full potential if you cheat. If you can get away with something, let us say cheating on a test, copying from a friend, you are not learning, you are not advancing and you are not doing things on your own. Certain individuals in your history on your planet have succeeded wonderfully by disobeying do not cheat but in later light, looking at them, you can see that they were not very good people and they had massive other problems. Do not steal, this is self-explanatory because it will cause animosity and problems if you steal. Do not hurt, if you hurt somebody they’ll hurt you back and this leads to all sorts of problems. Okay here endth my brief dissertation on moral behaviors of raising of offspring. Any questions?
Russ: ahh yes. I assume these are the same morals that you grew up with?
Russ: ahh, and they’ve served you well ever since I take it?
Tia: I would assume so, I’ve added many to them.
Russ: hmm, okay. Now do you see any difference between other people who have been raised in the sixth dimension as opposed to your being raised in the third as far as these morals go?
Tia: these five that I selected, there are more, seem to be a standard that all beings of a third and sixth dimensions appear to have. They are the basic ones, the ones that have been instilled in my Cubs, in the Cubs in the crèche and other crèches.
Russ: okay, now what happens though when a child sees his parents doing the exact opposite?
Tia: the parents should not.
Russ: I agree with that but that’s not always a factor that enters into it.
Tia: yes it is, it is very important to understand that when a child is around, you have to behave with those five morals.
Tia: if you have to
hurt somebody with your child present, you
explain to your child why you did that.
Russ: okay what about for example with oh let’s take a little thing like Santa Claus?
Russ: I was lied about Santa Claus for some 10 years….
Russ: and never thought the worst of it after I learned differently but yet I did learn that well it is okay to lie.
Tia: that’s not a lie, that’s a fairytale, big difference. It is a make-believe character for children.
Russ: but I would be told “that’s not the truth, there is no such thing as Santa Claus” and I asked my mom she says, “of course there is.”
Tia: and if you ask your mother, there is Santa Claus, St. Nicholas as far as I know really did exist, there was a Santa Claus and in your religion does a person when they become a saint or go to the period of waiting or heaven for want of a better name, do they cease to exist? I don’t think so. So therefore Santa Claus does still exist and in the mass consciousness of the mind, the group conscious, he does exist.
Russ: oh, well I just bring it up to bring up a point….
Russ: that sometimes the truth is not always as beneficial as would be a fib.
Tia: well that goes into distorting or changing the truth.
Russ: right. So you have to explain to your child why you did so I assume?
Tia: that goes in to later on in life.
Tia: my girls do not believe in any Santa Claus, St. Nicholas or Father Christmas.
Russ: but now do you lie to your Cubs?
Tia: if I have something……if they ask me a question and I cannot answer it without lying, I do not answer, I will say “we will address that at a later time.”
Russ: hmm, okay good, well that’s a good answer.
Tia: nowadays I can get away with it with just a look.
Russ: all right.
Tia: or if it is something that I am not equipped to answer without lying and I know either Kiri or Mark is, I will say “go and ask Kiri or go and ask Mark.”
Russ: hmm, I guess the
real problem will come in when you get to
Tia: yes Leonedies, next
question as we are limited on time.
Russ: okay, oh that’s it.
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, as we are limited on time, let us get down to business as quickly as possible.
Omal: okay Tia’s dissertation and answers, there is very little to change there except for maybe a little bit of wording on the explanation of lying concerning Santa Claus, St. Nicholas and Father Christmas. Tia is not aware that St. Nicholas and Santa Claus are the same person, well yes she is. However, Father Christmas is a totally different person.
Omal: they are two distinct different individuals that serve the same function. Father Christmas is a British deity that has been changed for the Christmas holiday. He is a Celtic deity......
Russ: very succinct, thank you.
Omal: or was. That needs to be explained.
Omal: but he does serve the same function as St. Nicholas and Santa Claus.
other deities that serve the same sort of
function. There is a deity that does the same
sort of function at Diwali, a Hindu festival.
Omal: so the giving of gifts is something that is through most major religions and they have a deity or an individual that is responsible for giving of those gifts.
Omal: okay, now let us move along to my dissertation and dealing and addressing evolutionary history and the consciousness of the development of the mind in relationship to the evolutionary history of a race. Now this could apply to any race anywhere that goes through the same set circumstances. You have a race that comes in exile with other races that are genetically similar yet different enough to have a variation. They arrive on a world, they become isolated after a time. Up until the isolation, there is little difference between them and other spacefaring races. Now the question that should be asked and addressed is why would a group of individuals wish to come to another planet? Well there are many possible avenues to explore in this explanation. They come for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, for a new chance as persons. These are just four examples of possible reasons why individuals would move to a new location. A fresh start, that is number five. Up until the point of isolation, there is very little difference as I have stated between them and the evolution that is going on on other sister worlds or sister continents or countries or areas. Now, once the isolation sets in, variations start to occur from the sister worlds. First of all, linguistics changes because there is no longer contact with the group that is connected with externally but the evolution that happens in the language is a key to a specific nature of the world. Environment plays tremendously in the development of linguistics. For example, the British famous trait about talking about the weather. Well they have a country that is a very, varied variety of weather. From rain, cold, snow, hot, windy, foggy, cloudy, humid, all of these things very vary and in a small area as well. So the topic of discussion normally is interacted with the environmental factors. We will address environmental factors in the changing in linguistics later on. We are at present setting up for future discussion. Now, the second occurrence in the isolation is moral behavior which again is created by the climate of the area. On a world where it is cold and only a few warm days it becomes necessary to wear clothing and when you move to a world where it is hotter, until the isolation occurs, clothing is part of the system. It becomes a taboo after a while not be clothed. When the isolation comes and there are no longer visitors, then it becomes a little lax and clothing becomes optional. Again we will address this at a later time. What, no laugh?
Russ: not yet, I’m taking it all in.
Omal: ahh, you miss the humor in that. When we were talking about clothing optional and will address this later. Three is interaction with ethnic and racial different groups. Because the external source is taken away, interaction is forced into groups that had a self-inflicted apartheid. They interact, they start to grow together and blend and meld so in doing so they change. This third event affects the previous two also. Four and finally for the topic of discussion at a later date, survival and necessity and wealth within a community. When I talk about wealth, I’m not referring to fiscal wealth, I’m talking about spiritual wealth and knowledge. Because external sources are taken away, the learning process from external sources is no longer there so they have to search internally for the advancement and education and progression that is necessary for a humanoid species. Okay, any questions?
Russ: yeah, these folks who are actually visiting, searching for one or many different reasons to do so, it sounds similar to our pilgrims that we're so used to in our early American history who came here looking for freedoms.
Russ: so in many ways you could compare the two groups.
Omal: yes you could but let us address pilgrims.
Omal: that is an inaccurate description. Pilgrims suggest going to a religious site.
Omal: so to say your early pilgrims, your early people searching for a religious site, that is inaccurate, that needs to be addressed, changed and corrected.
Russ: more like settlers?
Omal: correct, founding fathers, founding parents, early settlers, these are all correct as opposed to pilgrims.
Russ: well it’s just history we’re quoting or I’m quoting.
Omal: history is inaccurate in using that phrasing.
Russ: I agree. Okay now how close is the genetic match between the visitors and the indigenous people that they’re coming across that we're speaking of?
Omal: the indigenous people are settlers.
Russ: then who are the visitors?
Omal: the visitors are people that come to the area from sister worlds, they are the same race in essence, just from different worlds.
Omal: for example, the Sirians coming to earth to form Atlanta and Lemuria, they are the same.
Omal: so therefore there is no difference.
Russ: but what about later? Let’s say in the time of our early settlers…..
Russ: we don’t have a clear history of those visitations taking place then or if we do, they're will hidden.
Omal: explain your early settlers, I’m not quite sure what you mean, Are you referring to on your current continent or on your planet?
Russ: on our current continent. Visitors from sister worlds I think would be the most appropriate term.
Omal: correct. There are references, they are described as angels, demons and so on.
Omal: bright entities.
Russ: okay, so we might if through a little research be able to find possible clues to their arrival here.
Russ: and what they might’ve left behind?
Russ: hmm, excellent.
Omal: if you look in your religious texts, visions that lots of people saw, it is possible that those are extraterrestrial visitations.
Russ: hmm, okay and I’m sure that because the early settlers here on our continent were getting to know our indigenous species that was here…
Russ: the American Indians or Native Americans, then it was only a very minor part of our continent was being settled.
Russ: it’s more likely that the Native Americans who took up eighty more percent of our continent at the time would have had more contact with those same…..
Russ: visitors from sister worlds.
Russ: ahhh, and there we can find probably many references if we were to delve even further?
Omal: okay, last question.
Russ: all right, has the mission of the visitors from the sister worlds to the visitors who we now come across changed any?
Omal: yes, it is more scientific because it is an inhabited planet. When the Sirians first came, it was a very sparsely inhabited world with humanoid type beings that were in a primitive state and primitive, I’m talking about Neanderthal, pre-Neanderthal. So that it was already ongoing. When Atlantis occurred, there were little pockets here and there of a few hundred individuals in various locations that were survivors from Lemuria. So, by looking at this at a sparsely populated world, there is ample room for habitation of an external group of individuals.
Russ: I see.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: you’re welcome. Live long, prosper and I will be back.
to hand off to Karra.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia, comfortable?
Tia: okay, interesting conversation.
(Karra joins the session with a goal in mind.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: how’s it going? We’re getting close to turning over the tape Tia says.
Russ: we got five more minutes.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, with these five minutes, let us look at…..no we can’t discuss that at this time because it’s not…….it would be too time-consuming.
Karra: okay now let’s look at something of interest and topics that we have covered in previous channeling sessions and that is the rules of cleanliness, using speech therapy to heal a psychological problem and quantum healing. Okay now let’s put all of these together in a single explanation. Okay, cleanliness is very important and it involves what?
Russ: a awareness of the fact that you need to be clean.
Karra: that is the first step but I am talking about what do you need?
Russ: as in knowledge?
Karra: no. Remember a while back we went over you need clean…….
Karra: uh-huh and?
Russ: clean mind.
Karra: clean hands.
Karra: clean mind.
Russ: clean environment to work in.
Russ: clean tools.
Russ: and clean outer garments.
Karra: correct. Now, all of these things give you an air of authority in the fact that you are clean coupled with the self-confidence in yourself of being able to do what you have set yourself to do. Now if you are nice and clean working in a clean environment and you have a patient that has a psychological problem, you immediately give yourself the air that you can help just by being clean in a clean environment with a clean mind with clean tools and clean fingers and clean fingernails. All of these things tell a lot about somebody. When dealing with a psychological problem, they will give you more of an opening because the person will look at you and see that you’re clean, you are healthy, you can help them. So when you are addressing their mental problems with your clean fingernails and your clean fingers and your clean mind and your clean clothing and your clean environment and your clean tools, you have immediately started to heal them on the quantum level. On an microscopic level you have affected in how their mind starts to react and in doing so, you have put them on the road to recovery, you have given them a glimpse of where they can go. Now what happens from there is very important in how you proceed. Before I deal with any patient that is conscious, I talk to them, I tell them where I want to go, what I'm planning to do, how I’m planning to help them and how they should be when we are finished. This is important because again on a quantum level you are setting in place goals, objectives and expectations, all very important. And if the individual knows what the goals and expectations are, then you can start the healing. And in doing so you have to install another factor, belief. Belief that they can be healed because if an individual does not believe that they can be healed, then it is a lot of hard work that you have ahead of you. So they have to believe that you can heal them. If they are used to a ritualized experience and ritual is important in every medical procedure. You’d be surprised, even today. You don’t believe me that even today that ritual is used in your hospitals?
Russ: I do.
Karra: okay, tell me how you think ritual is used.
Russ: well for example, whenever I go to an emergency room…
Russ: first thing I do is I have to fill out the papers.
Russ: and then I get admitted to a waiting room.
Russ: and a guaranteed a minimum of a half hour will be spent in that waiting room before the doctor finally gets in to see me or a nurse takes my temperature or do some preliminary work before the doctor gets there.
unless I was an emergency and on my
Karra: correct, even then there is a ritual.
Russ: right but guaranteed there is a set routine that they will go through before you even get treated.
Karra: so as a healer, what must you do?
Russ: adhere to a similar sort of procedure as far as preparation.
Karra: correct but the waiting in itself has an important key and I really shouldn't leak like a sieve when I’m doing a dissertation, it takes all the fun out of it. But, you have to modify for the environment that you are in. Let us say you are dealing with a Native American.
Karra: you have to be knowledgeable on their religious practices and their healing practices and how you plan to help. If you’re dealing with a white American male, you have to know how they believe that they can be healed. And belief is very, very important. Without belief, belief in yourself, they believing that you can heal them, there is not that much that you can do because without belief the body does not cooperate. When you go to a doctor to be healed, you believe that he can heal you and in doing so you are on the first road to recovery and when you are doing the healing you have to give that air confidence with your….
Karra: now, why are we pounding this into you?
Russ: because it makes it more of a habit to fall into.
Karra: correct. Okay now, you have your patient and you’ve gone through the preliminaries. You have talked to them, you have found out what they think is wrong with them, you have taken their pulse, taken their heartbeat, checked their temperature, you have started the healing process. If you just walk in and sit down and say “okay, I’m going to heal you using this knife, this pharmaceutical and these pieces of cloth.” Then they’re going to look at you and go, “are you a doctor? Do you know what you’re doing?” But if you come in sit down and talk to them and go through the ritual, they know that you are a doctor, that you are able to help them. Let us scratch the word doctor and say healer because doctor in your planet…
Russ: very male term.
Karra: partly, it is also to do with official documentation. So, we have the setup, we have our….
Russ: clean hands, clean fingernails, clean clothes, clean environment, clean tools and clean mind.
Karra: correct but we always start with clean fingernails because they're the very tips.
Karra: so we got our patient and the patient is ready, we’ve gone through the rituals. We’ve gone through taking their pulse, taking their temperature, taking their heartbeat and talking to them and finding out what led up to the illness, what happened before the accident, what happened before they felt the way that they do. We have deduced that it is fill in the blanks ailment. Now, we have to act in a way that gives them confidence that we can heal them. This confidence is part of the belief process. Whether they believe in some higher deity, the healer or something else, you have to interact in that way. If they believe in some deity, then you have to interact within the expected rules. If you're acting as a healer, you have to act within the prescribed patterns that a healer interacts in or the same as in others. Now that we have the setup, we have deduced that the patient suffers from fill in the blanks ailment, we have got their confidence, they believe that we can heal them, where do we go now? We start the healing process.
Karra: and in doing so we have to again interact in the way that they think that the healer does. Whether it is a witch doctor, medical physician or other........psychic healer, whatever, you have to behave in those patterns. Any questions?
Russ: now that you’ve got all that, part of the ritual that you have to go through is actually helping the patient feel more at ease because you’re actually making the patient heal himself or your helping heal himself.
Karra: yes, we did cover that.
Russ: right, so wouldn’t some of the ritual you’re going through make the patient actually more nervous?
Karra: yes, yes it does but as long as the belief is there, then the healing process continues.
Karra: sometimes by a person being nervous, heart rate goes up, blood pressure goes up, etc., adrenaline is released, that in actual fact can speed up the healing process.
Karra: and this is important. If the person is petrified, you cannot heal because they are on fear mode.
Karra: but if they are suffering a little bit from nervousness, it has to stay a little bit of nervousness. You’ve seen me in healings.
Karra: and if the person is nervous, what do I do?
Russ: I’ve never seen a patient nervous with you around.
Karra: yes you have.
Russ: no I…..
Russ: she was never nervous around you.
Karra: she was the first few times.
Russ: was she?
Russ: oh she was very wanting to get healed........
Russ: so I never saw nervousness involved there.
Karra: early on there was.
Karra: and how do we get her over that nervousness?
Russ: I don’t remember.
Karra: we clowned around a little.
Karra: for example, "Okay we want you to manifest a ball of white light in front of you. Right in front of you, right here. Put your hands on either side and visualize it. Don’t grasp the ball too tightly." Come on, you remember that phrase?
Russ: oh yeah.
Russ: oh, so it made her more relaxed.
Karra: yes because I was clowning around.
Karra: in her mind she was seeing a ball and it was a nice small ball and all of a sudden I throw out the banana skin and say "don’t squeeze it too tightly." It’s in the tone of the voice, very important, very important. So, we have humor thrown into the equation.
Karra: now normally spiritual healers do the ritual on their own. There are helpers around that bring things much like a nurse brings things. The job of the helpers is to watch for any danger signs not only from the healer, but from the patient because as we briefly touched upon fear, fear can do some very unusual things to an individual.
Russ: well it could stop the healing process.
Karra: correct. The patient can become violent and it is the job of the healers or the assistants rather to be there to help.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Karra: so, let us recap. Okay we have quantum healing…..