Visitors From Sister Worlds- 09/23/97


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Archivist Notes: In last month's podcast we discussed where the survivors of Atlantis settled after the continent was lost and this month it's that we learn of the survivors of Lemuria and how only a few pockets we left when the colonists of Sirius settled on Atlantis. We also find out just where the survivors of Lemuria come from during Omal's conversation. It certainly fills in the gap of information between the timelines of Lemuria and Atlantis. Two continents that shared more than just a calamitous end. History books only cover a very small slice of the known history of the planet. It's true history goes back far longer than science has taught because science does not have the factors of earth's sister worlds to add in to the equation. For a deeper explanation of the sister worlds he mentions, please refer to Kiri's recitation of "The Sirian Chronicles" from the podcast from July of 2013.

Tia start the session off with a lesson on the moral upbringing and the importance of instilling the five main ones she offers. She also clarifies for us the difference in lying and explaining the reality of Santa Claus. Things get really going with Omal who replaces Tia as speaker as he sets up a discussion to be taken up in the future concerning the evolutionary development of a race in our planet's early history. The race he is talking about are the Sirians who came to earth to settle on first Lemuria and later Atlantis. He helps clear up the timeline between the two continents and how Lemuria was no longer in existence at the founding of Atlantis but that some survivors were still left. His dissertation focuses on the visitors from earth's sister worlds and the after effects an isolation from those sister worlds cut off earth from their influence. Karra is the final speaker on side one and gives us a lesson on quantum healing, the science of which is only starting to gain traction now in the 21rst century as we come to understand it better but she was already a master of it in 1997. It all starts with belief and how the minds reacts when the belief is genuine.

After finishing up what she had shared, Karra turned it over to Treebeard who was our next speaker though this was still when he was "The Man With the Can". Getting him onto the subject of devas led us to learn that in Sirian they are called churons and he also recalls for us a ceremony that had to have happened over 800 years ago when as a boy of 15 he and a group of friends called for the deva to assist in an area's growth. He ends his talk with the result of many years of going through the process of attracting a deva and the great results received as well as a visit by the deva. With only two main speakers for side two, Kiri ends the session up with her own memories of the calling of a deva but not one of nature, unless you count sexual nature. One of the more unusual abilities of a deva we were not aware of before is covered which in itself leads to her getting stumped for a word to describe what happened. That brought up a moral decision Kiri had to make at the time that will be touched on more fully in next month's podcast when she uses her time to discuss morals in the use of coercion.


SPEAKERS
ATTENDEES
TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS
KARRA
TREEBEARD
KIRI

 Part 1soundListen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB)
Duration: 40:17 min. - File type: mp3

Part 2soundListen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB)
Duration: 32:49 min. - File type: mp3

SIDE 1

3.)(23:52)- Karra explains healing on the quantum level and how cleanliness is a major part of making that happen.

SIDE 2

1.)(6:42)- Treebeard takes us through a Sirian ceremony that calls on a deva to help the growth within a garden he was a part of in his youth.

2.)(32:56)- Kiri reflects on a calling of a deva she was a part of once though at the time it was to help with the merging of two selves.



 


 

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SIDE ONE


(Tia gets the night started with a special dissertation.)

Tia:  September 1997.

Russ: 9:07 PM.

Tia: 9:07 PM. Okay, keep an eye on the chronometer. Okay, let’s get down to business as we do not know how long this tape is, my guesstimate is probably 30 minutes per side.

Russ: good guess.

Tia: uh-huh okay, let’s act accordingly and let me give a brief dissertation on moral behavioral patterns of raising of offspring and the importance to instill at an early age particular patterns that will be formed throughout the child’s life. But I will preface by saying that I feel that a positive enforced morals are a good thing for the upbringing of a child. The importance of morals will be made self-evident as I proceed in my eloquent communiqué. Morals and offspring. The importance of morals in the development at an early age even from the stage of infancy is very important. Simple vocal commands as no, don’t, naughty, wrong are used at an early age to correct a child’s behavior. If it is said in such a way, it is forced into the child that the word no said in that particular way will have a positive response command from the child that the child will stop doing what is wrong. Now as a child grows, those morals that are instilled, do not lie, do not disobey your parents unless it is a wrong decision, do not cheat, do not steal, do not hurt. These morals are all important because with these simple five morals, do not lie, do not go against your parents, do not cheat, do not steal, do not hurt, they’re all very functional in forming a good individual.
Let’s look at the first of all do not lie. Well this is a difficult one and the reason why it’s number one is that it needs some clarification. Sometimes it is necessary to bend the truth to protect an individual and this should be enforced as do not lie to a child at an early age. The child later on will figure out that there are certain times when it is appropriate to bend the truth, to lie in essence. And these situations that a child will come across will be developed through experience. Do not go against your parents unless what they tell you to do is wrong. Parents are very important to a child and by enforcing do not go against your parents, you can set it in the rest of the morals. Do not cheat. Cheating is bad because you do not achieve your full potential if you cheat. If you can get away with something, let us say cheating on a test, copying from a friend, you are not learning, you are not advancing and you are not doing things on your own. Certain individuals in your history on your planet have succeeded wonderfully by disobeying do not cheat but in later light, looking at them, you can see that they were not very good people and they had massive other problems. Do not steal, this is self-explanatory because it will cause animosity and problems if you steal. Do not hurt, if you hurt somebody they’ll hurt you back and this leads to all sorts of problems. Okay here endth my brief dissertation on moral behaviors of raising of offspring. Any questions?

Russ: ahh yes. I assume these are the same morals that you grew up with?

Tia: yes.

Russ: ahh, and they’ve served you well ever since I take it?

Tia: I would assume so, I’ve added many to them.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now do you see any difference between other people who have been raised in the sixth dimension as opposed to your being raised in the third as far as these morals go?

Tia: these five that I selected, there are more, seem to be a standard that all beings of a third and sixth dimensions appear to have. They are the basic ones, the ones that have been instilled in my Cubs, in the Cubs in the crèche and other crèches.

Russ: okay, now what happens though when a child sees his parents doing the exact opposite?

Tia: the parents should not.

Russ: I agree with that but that’s not always a factor that enters into it.

Tia: yes it is, it is very important to understand that when a child is around, you have to behave with those five morals.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: if you have to hurt somebody with your child present, you explain to your child why you did that.

Russ: okay what about for example with oh let’s take a little thing like Santa Claus?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I was lied about Santa Claus for some 10 years….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and never thought the worst of it after I learned differently but yet I did learn that well it is okay to lie.

Tia: that’s not a lie, that’s a fairytale, big difference. It is a make-believe character for children.

Russ: but I would be told “that’s not the truth, there is no such thing as Santa Claus” and I asked my mom she says, “of course there is.”

Tia: and if you ask your mother, there is Santa Claus, St. Nicholas as far as I know really did exist, there was a Santa Claus and in your religion does a person when they become a saint or go to the period of waiting or heaven for want of a better name, do they cease to exist? I don’t think so. So therefore Santa Claus does still exist and in the mass consciousness of the mind, the group conscious, he does exist.

Russ: oh, well I just bring it up to bring up a point….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that sometimes the truth is not always as beneficial as would be a fib.

Tia: well that goes into distorting or changing the truth.

Russ: right. So you have to explain to your child why you did so I assume?

Tia: that goes in to later on in life.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: my girls do not believe in any Santa Claus, St. Nicholas or Father Christmas.

Russ: but now do you lie to your Cubs?

Tia: if I have something……if they ask me a question and I cannot answer it without lying, I do not answer, I will say “we will address that at a later time.”

Russ: hmm, okay good, well that’s a good answer.

Tia: nowadays I can get away with it with just a look.

Russ: all right.

Tia: or if it is something that I am not equipped to answer without lying and I know either Kiri or Mark is, I will say “go and ask Kiri or go and ask Mark.”

Russ: hmm, I guess the real problem will come in when you get to Leonedies.

Tia: yes Leonedies, next question as we are limited on time.

Russ: okay, oh that’s it.

Tia: okay.



(Omal comes to give a history lesson.)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, as we are limited on time, let us get down to business as quickly as possible.

Russ: excellent.

Omal: okay Tia’s dissertation and answers, there is very little to change there except for maybe a little bit of wording on the explanation of lying concerning Santa Claus, St. Nicholas and Father Christmas. Tia is not aware that St. Nicholas and Santa Claus are the same person, well yes she is. However, Father Christmas is a totally different person.

Russ: ahhh.

Omal: they are two distinct different individuals that serve the same function. Father Christmas is a British deity that has been changed for the Christmas holiday. He is a Celtic deity......

Russ: very succinct, thank you.

Omal: or was. That needs to be explained.

Russ: okay.

Omal: but he does serve the same function as St. Nicholas and Santa Claus.

Russ: okay.

Omal: there are other deities that serve the same sort of function. There is a deity that does the same sort of function at Diwali, a Hindu festival.

Russ: okay.

Omal: so the giving of gifts is something that is through most major religions and they have a deity or an individual that is responsible for giving of those gifts.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: okay, now let us move along to my dissertation and dealing and addressing evolutionary history and the consciousness of the development of the mind in relationship to the evolutionary history of a race. Now this could apply to any race anywhere that goes through the same set circumstances. You have a race that comes in exile with other races that are genetically similar yet different enough to have a variation. They arrive on a world, they become isolated after a time. Up until the isolation, there is little difference between them and other spacefaring races. Now the question that should be asked and addressed is why would a group of individuals wish to come to another planet? Well there are many possible avenues to explore in this explanation. They come for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, for a new chance as persons. These are just four examples of possible reasons why individuals would move to a new location. A fresh start, that is number five. Up until the point of isolation, there is very little difference as I have stated between them and the evolution that is going on on other sister worlds or sister continents or countries or areas. Now, once the isolation sets in, variations start to occur from the sister worlds. First of all, linguistics changes because there is no longer contact with the group that is connected with externally but the evolution that happens in the language is a key to a specific nature of the world. Environment plays tremendously in the development of linguistics. For example, the British famous trait about talking about the weather. Well they have a country that is a very, varied variety of weather. From rain, cold, snow, hot, windy, foggy, cloudy, humid, all of these things very vary and in a small area as well. So the topic of discussion normally is interacted with the environmental factors. We will address environmental factors in the changing in linguistics later on. We are at present setting up for future discussion. Now, the second occurrence in the isolation is moral behavior which again is created by the climate of the area. On a world where it is cold and only a few warm days it becomes necessary to wear clothing and when you move to a world where it is hotter, until the isolation occurs, clothing is part of the system. It becomes a taboo after a while not be clothed. When the isolation comes and there are no longer visitors, then it becomes a little lax and clothing becomes optional. Again we will address this at a later time. What, no laugh?

Russ: not yet, I’m taking it all in.

Omal: ahh, you miss the humor in that. When we were talking about clothing optional and will address this later. Three is interaction with ethnic and racial different groups. Because the external source is taken away, interaction is forced into groups that had a self-inflicted apartheid. They interact, they start to grow together and blend and meld so in doing so they change. This third event affects the previous two also. Four and finally for the topic of discussion at a later date, survival and necessity and wealth within a community. When I talk about wealth, I’m not referring to fiscal wealth, I’m talking about spiritual wealth and knowledge. Because external sources are taken away, the learning process from external sources is no longer there so they have to search internally for the advancement and education and progression that is necessary for a humanoid species. Okay, any questions?

Russ: yeah, these folks who are actually visiting, searching for one or many different reasons to do so, it sounds similar to our pilgrims that we're so used to in our early American history who came here looking for freedoms.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so in many ways you could compare the two groups.

Omal: yes you could but let us address pilgrims.

Russ: okay.

Omal: that is an inaccurate description. Pilgrims suggest going to a religious site.

Russ: right.

Omal: so to say your early pilgrims, your early people searching for a religious site, that is inaccurate, that needs to be addressed, changed and corrected.

Russ: more like settlers?

Omal: correct, founding fathers, founding parents, early settlers, these are all correct as opposed to pilgrims.

Russ: well it’s just history we’re quoting or I’m quoting.

Omal: history is inaccurate in using that phrasing.

Russ: I agree. Okay now how close is the genetic match between the visitors and the indigenous people that they’re coming across that we're speaking of?

Omal: the indigenous people are settlers.

Russ: then who are the visitors?

Omal: the visitors are people that come to the area from sister worlds, they are the same race in essence, just from different worlds.

Russ: right.

Omal: for example, the Sirians coming to earth to form Atlanta and Lemuria, they are the same.

Russ: right?

Omal: so therefore there is no difference.

Russ: but what about later? Let’s say in the time of our early settlers…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we don’t have a clear history of those visitations taking place then or if we do, they're will hidden.

Omal: explain your early settlers, I’m not quite sure what you mean, Are you referring to on your current continent or on your planet?

Russ: on our current continent. Visitors from sister worlds I think would be the most appropriate term.

Omal: correct. There are references, they are described as angels, demons and so on.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: bright entities.

Russ: okay, so we might if through a little research be able to find possible clues to their arrival here.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and what they might’ve left behind?

Omal: correct.

Russ: hmm, excellent.

Omal: if you look in your religious texts, visions that lots of people saw, it is possible that those are extraterrestrial visitations.

Russ: hmm, okay and I’m sure that because the early settlers here on our continent were getting to know our indigenous species that was here…

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the American Indians or Native Americans, then it was only a very minor part of our continent was being settled.

Omal: correct.

Russ: it’s more likely that the Native Americans who took up eighty more percent of our continent at the time would have had more contact with those same…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: visitors from sister worlds.

Omal: correct.

Russ: ahhh, and there we can find probably many references if we were to delve even further?

Omal: correct.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: okay, last question.

Russ: all right, has the mission of the visitors from the sister worlds to the visitors who we now come across changed any?

Omal: yes, it is more scientific because it is an inhabited planet. When the Sirians first came, it was a very sparsely inhabited world with humanoid type beings that were in a primitive state and primitive, I’m talking about Neanderthal, pre-Neanderthal. So that it was already ongoing. When Atlantis occurred, there were little pockets here and there of a few hundred individuals in various locations that were survivors from Lemuria. So, by looking at this at a sparsely populated world, there is ample room for habitation of an external group of individuals.

Russ: I see.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: you’re welcome. Live long, prosper and I will be back.



(Tia returns to hand off to Karra.)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)

Russ: hi Tia, comfortable?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Tia: okay, interesting conversation.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay.

Russ: alright.




(Karra joins the session with a goal in mind.)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: how’s it going? We’re getting close to turning over the tape Tia says.

Russ: we got five more minutes.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, with these five minutes, let us look at…..no we can’t discuss that at this time because it’s not…….it would be too time-consuming.

Russ: oh.

Karra: okay?

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay now let’s look at something of interest and topics that we have covered in previous channeling sessions and that is the rules of cleanliness, using speech therapy to heal a psychological problem and quantum healing. Okay now let’s put all of these together in a single explanation. Okay, cleanliness is very important and it involves what?

Russ: a awareness of the fact that you need to be clean.

Karra: that is the first step but I am talking about what do you need?

Russ: as in knowledge?

Karra: no. Remember a while back we went over you need clean…….

Russ: fingernails.

Karra: uh-huh and?

Russ: clean mind.

Karra: clean hands.

Russ: hands.

Karra: clean mind.

Russ: clean environment to work in.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: clean tools.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and clean outer garments.

Karra: correct. Now, all of these things give you an air of authority in the fact that you are clean coupled with the self-confidence in yourself of being able to do what you have set yourself to do. Now if you are nice and clean working in a clean environment and you have a patient that has a psychological problem, you immediately give yourself the air that you can help just by being clean in a clean environment with a clean mind with clean tools and clean fingers and clean fingernails. All of these things tell a lot about somebody. When dealing with a psychological problem, they will give you more of an opening because the person will look at you and see that you’re clean, you are healthy, you can help them. So when you are addressing their mental problems with your clean fingernails and your clean fingers and your clean mind and your clean clothing and your clean environment and your clean tools, you have immediately started to heal them on the quantum level. On an microscopic level you have affected in how their mind starts to react and in doing so, you have put them on the road to recovery, you have given them a glimpse of where they can go. Now what happens from there is very important in how you proceed. Before I deal with any patient that is conscious, I talk to them, I tell them where I want to go, what I'm planning to do, how I’m planning to help them and how they should be when we are finished. This is important because again on a quantum level you are setting in place goals, objectives and expectations, all very important. And if the individual knows what the goals and expectations are, then you can start the healing. And in doing so you have to install another factor, belief. Belief that they can be healed because if an individual does not believe that they can be healed, then it is a lot of hard work that you have ahead of you. So they have to believe that you can heal them. If they are used to a ritualized experience and ritual is important in every medical procedure. You’d be surprised, even today. You don’t believe me that even today that ritual is used in your hospitals?

Russ: I do.

Karra: okay, tell me how you think ritual is used.

Russ: well for example, whenever I go to an emergency room…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: first thing I do is I have to fill out the papers.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and then I get admitted to a waiting room.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and a guaranteed a minimum of a half hour will be spent in that waiting room before the doctor finally gets in to see me or a nurse takes my temperature or do some preliminary work before the doctor gets there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: unless I was an emergency and on my deathbed.

Karra: correct, even then there is a ritual.

Russ: right but guaranteed there is a set routine that they will go through before you even get treated.

Karra: so as a healer, what must you do?

Russ: adhere to a similar sort of procedure as far as preparation.

Karra: correct but the waiting in itself has an important key and I really shouldn't leak like a sieve when I’m doing a dissertation, it takes all the fun out of it. But, you have to modify for the environment that you are in. Let us say you are dealing with a Native American.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you have to be knowledgeable on their religious practices and their healing practices and how you plan to help. If you’re dealing with a white American male, you have to know how they believe that they can be healed. And belief is very, very important. Without belief, belief in yourself, they believing that you can heal them, there is not that much that you can do because without belief the body does not cooperate. When you go to a doctor to be healed, you believe that he can heal you and in doing so you are on the first road to recovery and when you are doing the healing you have to give that air confidence with your….

Russ: cleanliness.

Karra: correct.

Karra: now, why are we pounding this into you?

Russ: because it makes it more of a habit to fall into.

Karra: correct. Okay now, you have your patient and you’ve gone through the preliminaries. You have talked to them, you have found out what they think is wrong with them, you have taken their pulse, taken their heartbeat, checked their temperature, you have started the healing process. If you just walk in and sit down and say “okay, I’m going to heal you using this knife, this pharmaceutical and these pieces of cloth.” Then they’re going to look at you and go, “are you a doctor? Do you know what you’re doing?” But if you come in sit down and talk to them and go through the ritual, they know that you are a doctor, that you are able to help them. Let us scratch the word doctor and say healer because doctor in your planet…

Russ: very male term.

Karra: partly, it is also to do with official documentation. So, we have the setup, we have our….

Russ: clean hands, clean fingernails, clean clothes, clean environment, clean tools and clean mind.

Karra: correct but we always start with clean fingernails because they're the very tips.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: okay?

Russ: okay.

Karra: so we got our patient and the patient is ready, we’ve gone through the rituals. We’ve gone through taking their pulse, taking their temperature, taking their heartbeat and talking to them and finding out what led up to the illness, what happened before the accident, what happened before they felt the way that they do. We have deduced that it is fill in the blanks ailment. Now, we have to act in a way that gives them confidence that we can heal them. This confidence is part of the belief process. Whether they believe in some higher deity, the healer or something else, you have to interact in that way. If they believe in some deity, then you have to interact within the expected rules. If you're acting as a healer, you have to act within the prescribed patterns that a healer interacts in or the same as in others. Now that we have the setup, we have deduced that the patient suffers from fill in the blanks ailment, we have got their confidence, they believe that we can heal them, where do we go now? We start the healing process.

Russ: right.

Karra: and in doing so we have to again interact in the way that they think that the healer does. Whether it is a witch doctor, medical physician or other........psychic healer, whatever, you have to behave in those patterns. Any questions?

Russ: now that you’ve got all that, part of the ritual that you have to go through is actually helping the patient feel more at ease because you’re actually making the patient heal himself or your helping heal himself.

Karra: yes, we did cover that.

Russ: right, so wouldn’t some of the ritual you’re going through make the patient actually more nervous?

Karra: yes, yes it does but as long as the belief is there, then the healing process continues.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: sometimes by a person being nervous, heart rate goes up, blood pressure goes up, etc., adrenaline is released, that in actual fact can speed up the healing process.

Russ: ohh.

Karra: and this is important. If the person is petrified, you cannot heal because they are on fear mode.

Russ: right.

Karra: but if they are suffering a little bit from nervousness, it has to stay a little bit of nervousness. You’ve seen me in healings.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: and if the person is nervous, what do I do?

Russ: I’ve never seen a patient nervous with you around.

Karra: yes you have.

Russ: no I…..

Karra: Carrie.

Russ: she was never nervous around you.

Karra: she was the first few times.

Russ: was she?

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh she was very wanting to get healed........

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so I never saw nervousness involved there.

Karra: early on there was.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and how do we get her over that nervousness?

Russ: I don’t remember.

Karra: we clowned around a little.

Russ: oh.

Karra: for example, "Okay we want you to manifest a ball of white light in front of you. Right in front of you, right here. Put your hands on either side and visualize it. Don’t grasp the ball too tightly." Come on, you remember that phrase?

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, so it made her more relaxed.

Karra: yes because I was clowning around.

Russ: right.

Karra: in her mind she was seeing a ball and it was a nice small ball and all of a sudden I throw out the banana skin and say "don’t squeeze it too tightly." It’s in the tone of the voice, very important, very important. So, we have humor thrown into the equation.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: now normally spiritual healers do the ritual on their own. There are helpers around that bring things much like a nurse brings things. The job of the helpers is to watch for any danger signs not only from the healer, but from the patient because as we briefly touched upon fear, fear can do some very unusual things to an individual.

Russ: well it could stop the healing process.

Karra: correct. The patient can become violent and it is the job of the healers or the assistants rather to be there to help.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Karra: so, let us recap. Okay we have quantum healing…..


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SIDE TWO


(Karra gets back to the subject at hand.)


Karra: anyway, where was I? Oh yes…

Russ: explaining the different forms of healing that you’ve been talking about.

Karra: okay, we’ve covered those. Okay now, let us get to the last, last bit of healing. Okay and that is the setup, the ritual, the healing itself. That we’ve created the environment, we have the individual that is willing, we have soothed them, it is a problem that needs addressing. Now, normally in indigenous population’s religious practices and the healings, the faith healings, there is the head shaman, the head healer, the head doctor and their purpose is to focus and direct the mind of the individual that is to be healed and to manipulate energy flows within the person and to address the ailment itself. And we have set up with our religious physical set up, we have our bed, our altar, our circle, our square, our candles, our florescent lights, whatever and we have the patient and we’re sitting beside them or before them or to one side with our……..

Russ: clean fingertips, clean hands, clean clothes, clean mind, clean tools and clean environment.

Karra: (claps) so, we start the healing which we will cover next time.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? Any questions?

Russ: yeah, now what about the patient, shouldn’t the patient be clean?

Karra: if possible yes.

Russ: okay.

Karra: sometimes it is not possible.

Russ: I mean you can’t clean them or just the area you’re going to be working in maybe?

Karra: clean the area that you’re working in most certainly without a shadow of doubt. But let us say you come across a vehicle accident.

Russ: right.

Karra: and you’re going to try and help as best as you can until more qualified people arrive on the scene.

Russ: well a proper healer will have at least something to clean the area with with him.

Karra: correct so you cannot clean the patient, just the area.

Russ: right, I think I got that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so you clean the area?

Karra: correct.

Russ: right, okay.

Karra: next question?

Russ: oh that’s it.

Karra: okay, now why did we start off with clean fingernails, clean hands etc.?

Russ: because you start from the outside and work in.

Karra: not quite, not quite…..

Russ: ahhh.

Karra: because it is something that you start off with. What is the first thing that you use when you approach a patient?

Russ: your hands.

Karra: correct and nine times out of 10 what is the first part of your hands that touches the patient?

Russ: your fingernails.

Karra: correct so we start off with the most important.

Russ: right.

Karra: which is?

Russ: your clean fingernails.

Karra: and then your clean hands and your clean clothing….

Russ: right.

Karra: and your clean tools and your clean mind and your clean environment. That’s why we start off with our fingernails. Okay hon…..

Russ: okay love.




(Omal comes on for a review of Karra's comments.)

Omar: okay Russ.

Russ: hello Omal.

Omar: greetings once again. Karra’s healing dissertation and explanations apart from her little bit impatience with you not getting that in the correct pattern and her leakage is all acceptable because it is important for people to see that you do make mistakes and that you do learn from them.

Russ: right.

Omar: so, when editing, do not change anything in Karra’s dissertation concerning the process of the clean fingernails, the clean hands, the clean clothing, the clean body, the clean mind, the clean work environment and the clean tools.

Russ: all right.

Omar: that all stays in the sequences that Karra has stated them with the important ones being stated clearly. Any questions?

Russ: none at all.

Omar: okay.




(Tia returns to give Treebeard his turn next.)

(Tia says high in Durondedunn.)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo. Okay, I suppose we better put on the next person.

Russ: I know we had more time to play with than we expected.

Tia: uh-huh, I was watching the chronometer up here carefully. Okay……




(Treebeard makes his way into the channeling field.)

Treebeard: okay, I talk you talk.

Russ: okay, it works for me.

Treebeard: okay. Topic of discussion, some of things my favorite.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: 70% of body is water.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: very important.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: liquid in all things being important. Remind me long time of at home….

Russ: hmm.

Treebeard: long time ago……hmmm. You wish to talk to me I hear?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: talk you must.

Russ: okay…..

Treebeard: or I talk alone to myself. People think that one that talk alone to themself is unaided from the frequency of existence.

Russ: no, one who is lived as long as you have has much to impart to those who haven't lived that long.

Treebeard: yes but when talk alone to oneself when no one around? People think one is as you might say on a different frequency of existence in a deranged consciousness state. Not quite sure what word would be.

Russ: that would be in English mad.

Treebeard: ahh.

Russ: or insane but it has come to my attention that often times we are our best company, we often speak to our higher selves, twin souls, others who help guide us.

Treebeard: yes, twin souls hmm.

Russ: you have a twin soul?

Treebeard: not conscious at this time.

Russ: ahh.

Treebeard: waiting for me.

Russ: hmm, higher dimension possibly?

Treebeard: not that aware of.

Russ: ahh, well you have met my twin soul.

Treebeard: yes, your twin soul request me. Drag me up from my little glass building away from my plant with my can plugged in. (The can he is referring to is a watering can that contains a 5th dimensional space so it can hold far more water than the size of the can would normally allow.)

Russ: yeah, she would do that.

Treebeard: of help how may I be?

Russ: of help, I look for help in understanding the plant world and the entities that assist in its growth.

Treebeard: if more mobile I could help better but without mobility I will explain way best I can.

Russ: thank you.

Treebeard: plants and entities or spiritual beings of a…..lacking the word to explain what mean I.

Russ: we call them devas.

Treebeard: explain.

Russ: devas, a non-visible entity of a dimensional frequency that we cannot….

Treebeard: oh churon. (Sirian for Deva.)

Russ: okay, that works for me.

Treebeard: churon.

Russ: all right, and their….

Treebeard: repeat.

Russ: churon.

Treebeard: churon.

Russ: churon.

Treebeard: spiritual entity inhabit many inter-dimensional at the same time. Time perspective of churon, an hour, eternity, a thousand year, a blink of an eye.

Russ: correct.

Treebeard: ahh yes, churon and attracting thereof importance for inhabiting.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: most difficult for short lived mortals but certain appeasements, soothing environments, creatures that inhabit frequently in area will attract churon of like being.

Russ: hmm.   

Treebeard: example best I can of you call feline domesticus?

Russ: cats.

Treebeard: repeat.

Russ: cats.

Treebeard: cats?

Russ: cats.

Treebeard: cats.

Russ: cats, yes.

Treebeard: yes, felines.

Russ: felines correct.

Russ: devas that are of playful nature that like furry little felines will come are most flighty. Blink of an eye, here, gone, there, back thinking......

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: playful. But to attract deva that is more sedimentary, it important to create space for deva that appreciate. To call deva……deva correct?

Russ: yes.

Treebeard: easier for you to understand then churon?

Russ: yes.

Treebeard: okay, deva it is.  
 
Russ: thank you.

Treebeard: deva calling……many different way. One story from my youth…….

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: first calling of deva. Great friends gather, new land for me to develop. Young, mighty young. In your counting being of 15 summers…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: long time ago, think hard on this. 70% water…..hmmm. Yes, many friends gather, older, wiser. Young boy of 15 summers clean big area for…..hmm, can’t recall how many friends, pity.......

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: must be important. Clear area with a holy rocks, little tiny rocks. Not quartz, do not know word.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: I mark big round about, big round about, mighty big round about, enough for friends to sit or stand within. We wait until sun go down having inscribed on ground mighty round. Lighting two sacred lights on pathway, third sacred light lit within the round, sacred light being fire.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: friends and I walk down. As leader or the caller, I walk in front. We walk in and wind round. We call the blessings for the devas. 73% water feline not, unlike humans, 70%.....interesting.

Russ: interesting.

Treebeard: hmm, with two fires marking pathway, I lit third central fire. We walk down and wound up round. We join hands and walk around central fire calling the prayer of the churon, deva.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: each person call. (Speaking to Tia.) Sit down young lady, distraction. Thank you do I. We call the deva, we offer gift to central fire, in essence fire burned to create cloud to give to deva.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: we sing holy song, we tell each person of story, we ask blessing for the land, we ask blessing for a harvest of good, we sing praise of the deva. We clap, we unwound round, we walk back through two fires and we commenced celebration of offering. Land beautiful that year, great harvest of smell, taste little plants, do not no word in your language.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: add flavor to cooking, add flavor to air, what group of plant?

Russ: herbs.

Treebeard: repeat.

Russ: herbs.

Treebeard: herbs.

Russ: herbs yes.

Treebeard: ahh. (Speaking again to Tia.) Sit down please lady, little young. She jump up and down like questioner. Okay, we celebrate the giving of the deva after quarter orbit of sun.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: we repeat offering with twin fire, central fire and round. Friends gather and offer gift for coming of collecting of the plants. Repeat many times over many years. One day wind in quiet part of garden where trees around. Garden now grown, grown also am I with first love of beauty, not just past and attraction. Sit in garden we were. A 140% water in total but odd thing happen in secluded area where no wind, wind come. Feeling of comfort come, churon here, feeling of joy. Finally after passing great time churon happy. Garden bloom wonderful, creature that not come before come down off hill, move into area, stay out of holy spot. Many years have passed, spot now holy within the garden, a retreat for churon also entrance for churon. End story.

Russ: thank you very much.

Treebeard: (speaking to Tia again.) young lady sit down, question or not.

(Russ chuckles.)

Treebeard: n
ow go away I.

Russ: okay, farewell, thank you very much.





(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

Russ: bouncing up and down were you?

Tia: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, very something I noticed.

Russ: what?

Tia: very important something that I noticed.

Russ: what?

Tia: you have to excuse my excitement.

Russ: okay.

Tia: ask Mark about Beltane.

Russ: oh I know about Beltane, I also know about now the circles in England and Europe.

Tia: yes but his description very similar to what Mark and……

Russ: sure, very similar and very much the same results.

Tia: yes I wanted to ask him, I wanted to tell him.

Russ: well you have more chance to tell him than I do.

Tia: uh-huh but it popped straight into my head, it was sort of like ooh, ooh, ooh I’ve seen that, I’ve seen that.

Russ: so you can go down to the garden and tell him any time you want to.

Tia: I don’t get to go down there very often.

Russ: make time.

Tia: I don’t have a temporal warp displacement unit.

Russ: make time out of your busy schedule.

Tia: I will try, I will try.

Russ: have Omal give you a break. If you want, I’ll ask him nicely.

(Tia swears something in Durondedunn.)




(Omal is back to review what's been said and hand off to Kiri.)

Omar: greetings Russ once again.

Russ: greetings Omal, was that nice enough?

Omar: she is a very busy unfortunately.

Russ: oh hell.

Omar: she even takes work home with her unfortunately.

Russ: that’s not good.

Omar: no.

Russ: very important little story there.

Omar: uh-huh.

Russ: keys to many different historical events that we’ve been working on lately in fact.

Omar: yes, yes, Karra and myself thought that it would be with Karra’s help to set everything up, very important to put that on the Internet. Looking at that, everything is acceptable, everything goes....

Russ: oh easily, it’s all on Sirius but it can be taken anywhere.

Omar: it is a Sirian religion, a Sirian festival, calling the deva or the churon.

Russ: very good, good, good, good, good, good stuff, I’m very impressed.

Omar: yes.

Russ: he was so lucid.

Omar: well you got him on the subject that he likes. Outside of his field his mind will wander as it did occasionally……

Russ: the other night yeah.

Omar: and occasionally whilst talking to you.

Russ: but not much.

Omar: no.

Russ: in comparison.

Omar: no, not much in comparison because you had his attention on his passion.

Russ: right.

Omar: if you had said the wrong question or made the wrong move, he would’ve wandered off on his own, his mind would’ve wandered. Okay, I will return back to our bouncy ring mistress.

Russ: thank you Omal, it's always informative.

Omar: okay, I will hand you over to the next speaker.

Russ: oh okay.





(Kiri takes us out of the session with what she wanted to say.)

Kiri: yo.

Russ: what up?

Kiri: what up? Well Tia’s talking to…..oh, that’s what she wanted, okay.

Russ: oh, she’s telling her story?

Kiri: no, no she wanted to take…..she left her bag at home.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and she just asked Karra for a tampon.

Russ: oh. Good story, you ever been involved in these little ceremonies?

Kiri: not the calling of a churon for the garden no.

Russ: you ever witnessed one of them?

Kiri: not for the land no.

Russ: oh, what did you witness them for?

Kiri: I was invited to one of……it’s different than a deva of the land, it's a deva of sensuality was one that I've witnessed and a calling of the ocean.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and I was also invited to.....it was like of the land but not quite, it was for…..for once you’ve actually got me on a word that I can’t think of.

Russ: really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s pretty unusual.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: there’s only so many certain things to describe you know physical existence.

Kiri: well it wasn’t so much a physical existence, it was a spiritual nature and I really don’t know what you would call it. It was the linking of a middle self and a higher self, bringing together. It was for somebody that wasn’t quite complete.

Russ: oh, a joining.

Kiri: yes, not a physical joining, it was a spiritual…..

Russ: right.

Kiri: bringing a person more into tune with themselves.

Russ: an alignment?

Kiri: it was more than an alignment. The alignment was just bringing them together, it was like a joining but meshing together, bringing them and weaving them into one whole person. It was either that or the person broke a big, big taboo.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and the problem was that she was a sub-super operant.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and you know what happens to some sub-super operants?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: they implode.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so what we did was we brought her into tune and brought her together with her higher and middle self and we pushed the lower self down and we had a deva help.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: we went to a holy place and we brought her to the holy place and we did the whole entire thing which was.......in her behavior she was very much like Bunny but not as confident, she used it for a different purpose.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: to be accepted.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: because she was a sub operant, she used her body to be accepted by the peer group that she wanted.

Russ: oh, I’ve seen that before.

Kiri: uh-huh. So when I figured out what her problem was and what she was actually doing and the fact that she was a sub-super operant, being quite a few years older than her at the time I was able to suggest what we did and using my coercion and that was a very interesting moral discussion I had with myself. The moral problem of the coercion was, was it right to interfere in her life? Was it part of her life to implode?

Russ: hmm and was it right to stop her?

Kiri: correct.

Russ: and what was the final answer on that?

Kiri: well I felt that it was right and I still think it was right even though she latched on to me a long, long time.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: it was like I couldn’t go anywhere without her. You know, being an astral traveler, she would spot me and I would feel her watching me.

Russ: so how did you finally break the connection?

Kiri: I seduced her.

Russ: except that wouldn’t break it, seems it would make it a little more stronger.

Kiri: she wasn’t that way inclined.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: so I seduced her, I used my coercion and seduced her. Not very strong.

Russ: wasn’t that a negative use of your coercion or is that just to help her?

Kiri: it was to help her.

Russ: so you could get away with it?

Kiri: uh-huh, it was one of those again a moral question and it was something that fascinated her that she had no sexual interest in me.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so it was actually a good ending to that whole entire story.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: because you helped her, you helped everyone she was dealing with and therefore you did good.

Kiri: uh-huh. I was actually sleeping with her sister at the time.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: she didn’t know that though.

Russ: right.

Kiri: we kept it very quiet.

Russ: hmm okay, well what else can we go through that we can actually put on the webpage?

Kiri: I don’t know, I think I did pretty well last week. (To be posted in next month's podcast.)

Russ: yes you did. Now I could start with the first part that we went through.

Kiri: oh you can?

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: I believe it’s up there somewhere. Okay next week....

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: next Monday if Spiritweb is up and operational…

Russ: which we can’t guarantee at this point. 

Kiri: uh-huh, the topic will be “who we are.”

Russ: you as yourselves or us as ourselves?.

Kiri: no, you as yourselves. Because Tia and myself feel that it is important to address the who we are or who you are?

Russ: okay so it should actually be called who you are?

Kiri: yes because that would lead to problems.

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: because if we said who we are?

Russ: they assume you’re going to start a self-explanation.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: actually the topic title would be better of where are you going? No, where have you been and where you going?

Russ: hmm okay. Oh well.......

Kiri: we'll discuss that between the three of us up here.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: the three of us being Tia, Mark and myself.



THE TAPE ENDS


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