(Kiri is ring
mistress for this session and gets right to the
Kiri: yes Russ.
Russ: how you doing?
Kiri: Iím doing good.
Skip: good evening
Kiri: good evening,
good evening, hello stranger.
Kiri: please do the
introductions please, somebody.
Skip: Kiri, Kiri Hon,
this is my lady friend Vicki okay?
Kiri: Vicki itís a
pleasure to meet you.
Skip: this is Kiri.
Vicki: hi Kiri.
Kiri: okay, letís get
down to business and get things on the road. First of
all we have a fairly full schedule tonight. Guys got
any questions before we get things underway?
Skip: no questions as
far as Iím concerned Hon.
Vicki: no questions.
Kiri: do you have any
Shane: not at the
Russ: how full a
schedule are we talking?
Kiri: we just got the
Kiri: lots of things to
Russ: still have time
to chitchat or just go jump right into them?
Kiri: weíll see how
(Omal is up as the first to channel
for the session)
Russ: you're in charge
you're in charge of introductions tonight.
oh that's right, I gotta do it all.
greetings and felicitations.
good evening Omal.
this is my lady friend Vicki, this is Omal.
okay, do we need any explanations on various
members of the......as Kiri put it, the gang?
well she hasnít read the webpage yet soÖ.
ahh okay, I am the base commander, it is my duty
to oversee all facets of the operation on Hades
Base. It is also my duty to make sure certain
misnomers are corrected and certain errors are
corrected. I have final veto power of anything
that is to be released in channeling sessions or
that would go on the Internet. Besides being the
base commander, I am a manifestor which means that
I can make things appear or disappear as I so
desire by using no form of magic than my mind. For
example, the temperature in your room down there,
do you wish it warmer or colder?
okay, let us see what we can do. It may take a few
moments and in a few moments we will continue
discussing certain activities regarding not the
previous week but the week before's channeling
want something to drink?
am fine thank you, I donít know about the host
body, no we will see how that goes.
okay, two weeks ago we had various visits from
certain dignitaries in relation to Ashtar Command
and Sirius. To keep you folks updated on what is
going on, they have returned to Sirius obviously.
At the moment all the information that you gave
and all the concerns that you mentioned during the
session have been taken and they are analyzing
your answers and they are starting what I think
you would say is a committee to decide on what
sort of individual would be suitable for the
candidate position that will be used as a
representative from Sirius. At the moment they
donít have any individual selected for the
position, theyíre just deciding what sort of
individual would be suitable for this kind of
work. The opinion so far appears to be somebody
that has had no experience at all with your planet
so therefore they will be an unbiased individual,
unbiased towards us so that they would not be in
favor of any actions that would benefit us but
would benefitÖÖsorry skip?
no, no, excuse me Sir.
itís quite all right, any individual that would be
influenced by facts going on on your planet. We
are also analyzing at this time the sort of
profile of an individual or individuals that would
be suitable as representatives for you. Once we
have those we will let you know, we will sit down
and discuss them with you so that you will be able
to aid us and yourselves in the process to find
the correct kind of individuals that would be
suitable for the work that will be coming. The
main idea appears to be a wide spectrum in age so
that individuals can be replaced and the younger
individuals will hopefully continue longer than
the older individuals so that it will always be a
fresh infusion but a majority will be there that
will be able to coach and point a new individual
in the right direction. It seems very probable
that it will not be a individual but a group of
individuals. Okay, do we have any questions so
okay I will continue further along with
developments and what we are hoping with your help
to do. Once we have selected an individual from
Sirius, then we will give you the parameters that
we, meaning us and you have worked out that will
be suitable for an individual or a group of
individuals for your representatives. Skip was
quite correct in saying that it would be better
than one individual and I personally do concur and
as I said it is the leaning of the committee as
far as I know that it will be more than one
individual. How many I cannot say at this time.
Moving along to the next lot of items to be
mentioned and possibly opened for discussion is
the current fluctuation in economies and political
setup and situations around the world. We have
been monitoring various concerning noises coming
from two areas on your planet, one being China,
the other one being Taiwan. They have reached an
agreement that Taiwan will represent.........not
represent.......accept that China is the central
government but they are independent. China has
been threatening in a manner that is very
aggressive posturing and has put Taiwan in a very
dangerous position that they are at the moment
appearing to kowtow towards China. I perceive that
this may change not in the near future but
sometime in the future that their stance will
change and again we will be threatened with a
possible action of hostilities. The interference
that was created by certain political
representatives from outside sources did more to
harm the situation then to sooth the situation.
Moving to another hostile spot Kosovo, the
situation again there is still very unstable even
though there are forces from the United Nations in
that area and forces from NATO that are
controlling the various political setups that are
going on. It is very hard for them to do so and if
anything the situation is a little bit more
exasperated by the presence of the different
political international forces that are stationed
there. It could turn hostile very quickly if they
were withdrawn at this time but it could change.
Moving to another hot spot to Columbia, that is
not Columbia Ohio, that is Columbia as in BogotŠ.
Okay so it was not a very good attempt at a pun.
The situation in Colombia at this time again is
becoming very unstable. I do not see a coup
occurring at this time mainly because of external
influences and shall we say slush funds that have
been contributed from another foreign national
state. However the situation is very tenuous, the
rebels are gaining strength and momentum very much
so and it should be noted that their equipment is
just as good or if not better than the government
forces of Colombia which opens a whole spectrum of
possibilities on what is going on. I think that
should cover all the national and international
goings-on at this time, we can deal with the
national problems after answering the set of
questions that you guys I hope have at this time.
have a few.
okay, China and Taiwan both look at the future in
a long-term view, nothing is ever in short-term.
so that means they both have separate agendas on
what theyíre working for but neither one of them,
like I say, theyíre working for the long-term.
Taiwanís working on gaining respect in future
talks but I canít figure out what Chinaís role in
trying to escalate any kind of posturing at this
point except for just to scare them.
Taiwan is perceived by China as being part of
their territories. Taiwan is where Chiang
Kai-shek in nineteen I believe it was fifty
think it was fifty nine.
(Ed. note: it was actually 1949)
you could be correct, it would be necessary to
fact check that.
fled to when Mao
Zedong and the red revolution proceeded to
oust them to. The long-term view for China is the
return of that province to its rightful as they
perceive control. The nationalist government on
Taiwan or Formosa holds the same opinion in
reverse, that they are the rightful government of
China. To them they are in exile and one day hope
to be able to return to assume their correct
position within the government and have a
hmm, so a standoff?
okay. Now two questions, number one is Russia
currently has a major problem with their economic
situation in their strategic armsÖ..
where recently theyíve had cash shortages where
they weren't able to pay the power bills and
places that take care of nuclear facilities went
off power, all security, lights, everything.
and Iím wondering how much of a threat this is for
maintaining their arsenals?
it is very much a serious threat however it is one
that has been ongoing and fortunately individuals
have not taken the gumption or the initiative to
be able to remedy the situation and therefore have
exasperated the security problems in relationship
to this. It is our belief on the base that so far
you have been lucky that nothing has turned up
missing in a serious capacity.
any questions from anybody else other than Russ,
no I have none.
no Sir.......he deserted us.
yes. Okay, let us continue Russ.
okay, Indonesia, there seems to be some political
believe that is nothing new.
well thatís true but there is a great deal on this
earth, the planetwide for more reform and less
conservative efforts on the parts of governments
and that seems to be spreading all over.........
also nothing new. How much of a problem though do
we see this as forming later on as we get more
closer to the year 2000?
okay, I do not see the year 2000 being so much of
an important factor except for the fact of the
general computer problems and glitches that will
occur. However what is of interest is not so much
the year 2000 but the reasonings why a lot of
these places want reform. Even in your country
there is a call for reform. What is wrong with the
systems of government that have worked in some
cases for hundreds of years to require reform and
what sort of reform are they requiring? Is the
reform that they are requiring going to be in a
positive or negative vein in the end? Also, why
change something that has worked reasonably well
for a great length of time? These questions are
something that need to be addressed not so much by
the governments but by individuals themselves on
why do they wish these reforms, why would they
believe that these reforms would not the
detrimental or a positive factor? It is something
that many people do not think about, they see one
way and go, ďif we do it this way it will be
betterĒ but they do not know until they start to
implement these changes and if they are done
hastily as they are requesting at the moment, then
that could open to all sorts of problems and
abuses. Okay young man, do you have a question?
thatís it for me.
okay. Okay finally, your area of habitation being
the United States. Okay, let us look at what is
going on throughout the United States. There are
certainly some very interesting little things
going on but we will save those for the moment and
look at something that is of concern in a sloppy
nature. Just a few days ago launched into orbit
was the space shuttle. As it was launched there
was a fuel
leak. I am personally very concerned over
the reasoning to let a mission continue that is
having fuel problems that even as it went into
high orbit it was leaking fuel of a serious
nature. It seems to me just a few years ago that a
failure in a O-ring led to the leakage of fuel
that ended in the disaster of the Challenger
space shuttle. Have they forgotten what
happened? Have they forgotten the harm that was
done? Have they forgotten the repercussions? I am
very concerned about the sloppiness of NASA and in
turn the sloppiness in general of what is going on
throughout your country that this is just a
symptom of what is happening. If you factor in
with the previous mentions and comments on the
necessary actions for reform and you analyze that
factoring in also the sloppiness of NASA and
things in general, you may be able to if you use
as much of the information as possible, realize
that there is an overall trend and something needs
to be looked at to understand why. I am not saying
that there is a positive or a negative way of
remedying these situations but being aware of them
can be an advantage to particular goals. Getting
back to what is going on within your continental
United States, we can look at other situations and
cases where sloppiness is a factor that is very
causematic on a general symptom overall. For
example, it seems to me that there is a
investigation going on that has been handled very
sloppily that has been spending a considerable
length of time within news mediums that is no
nearer to being solved than it was when it
occurred a few years ago. Again that is a symptom
of sloppiness and is a general case feeling that
is going on. It is something that may be worth
investigating for other symptoms of, for want of a
better term, sloppiness. Okay do we have any
questions? Letís start around the room. Young
you can go through everybody else if you want
nothing okay, nothing?
no, not at the present.
back to me, okay I studied the space shuttle
launch pretty extensivelyÖ..
yes I know, that is why I brought it up.
right, now the fuel leakage that you mentioned was
reported in the media, it was reported as being a
false fuel leakage which is why they delayed it
the second time and they found that wasn't a fuel
leak and they couldíve launched anyway.
what the problem on the main launch happened was
that the power cell that controlled the two
engines, two of the controllers out of the three
went out, or the controller that controlled two of
the things went out and had to go switch to
and the pilot, the commander, she radioed in that
she was reading a fuel leak.....but the media
reports that it wasnít a the fuel leak, it was a
no it was a fuel leak.
it was a fuel leak because like I say, they
downplayed it as being just a false reading.
that is incorrect, it was a fuel leak.
ahh, well makes a difference.
yes, that is why I say I am very concerned and the
logic of downplaying it is also evident in the
comments that I made about Challenger.
so it is something that hopefully they
realize.......let me rephrase that, obviously they
realize the very serious nature but it is still
sloppy. At any time they couldíve aborted and
ditched the tanks and returned to or landed at a
different location. They took the risk. After all,
going into space the business is very risky but
they have never used any of the emergency
scenarios. I wouldíve thought this wouldíve been
the perfect opportunity to do so however there was
political pressure because of the first female
commander of the space shuttle.
so it had to be a success. Supposing the pressure
from political sources meant the death of the
commander and the crew, that wouldíve served their
purpose just as well as a successful mission.
she wouldíve been immortalized and canonized as
the first female commander to die in space. It
wouldíve served their purposes far better than to
have a successful mission. The successful mission
means that the space missions can continue. If it
had been a disastrous failure and all life had
been lost with the vessel, certainly it wouldíve
been a great tragedy but the political forces
wouldíve turned it to their advantage so there are
these factors to be weighed as well.
it seems to me, maybe I'm wrong and Iím clutching
at straws but it seems to me every time a woman is
involved in this space projectsÖ..
they get so much political pressure they stumble
over their own feet trying to get it done.
yes, I think you are very correct. The
McAuliffe, is that correct in her name?
she is very much been canonized as the first
civilian space fatality.
common-garden, everyday school teacher going off
into space and losing her life. You see what
happened to her in the way that she has been
canonized by the political system, the same thing
but only greater wouldíve happened to the current
commander of the space shuttle. So Skip is very
correct in saying that political pressure is
brought to bear at a tremendous amount for these
missions to succeed but secretly they are happy
either way. If it fails they become canonized and
they can go and be very political and do great
deeds under this personís name by setting up trust
funds and awards and scholarships and so on as
happened in the Christa McAuliffe situation. What
they would have done if the current commander had
been killed? Who knows but certainly it wouldíve
been a great cry in a political sense. Okay, let
okay, in regards to the case you were talking
thatís one case where we saw a lot of sloppiness
in the police department but we just recently saw
Iím wondering if that along with the general
lackadaisical attitude like Skip was mentioning
and you were mentioningÖ..
is a sign that we are approaching entropy?
what did I say a few moments ago?
just itís a spreading thing.
which would imply?
kind of that people donít care, apathetic attitude
toward certain aspects of their jobs and life in
now if you take it further, what happens? Follow
the equation through.
if everybody doesnít care, nothing happens. When
and everything collapses within itself and so on.
isnít it a circular route we could call it or is
it a reversible route?
it sounds like that everybody has got to factor
this out for themselves.
that is why I cannot say.
okay let us continue, do we have any more
feel free to ask at anytime, as Kiri would say,
ďwe do not bite unless you request us to do so.Ē
is it possible that your sloppiness could also be
interpreted as people who are getting less
concerned for human life?
that is very possible, there are many different
ways to interpret the information and all of them
will have a certain amount of truth or a lot of
truth. Saying that it is a symptom of disrespect
for human life is very probable. We could just as
easily say and just as probably be correct in
saying that it is also a lack of respect for other
people which is almost the same thing but not as
harsh as for life in itself. All of these things
are a symptom, you can take almost any statement
and prove it true as long as the statement is
worded in a way that it leads to the correct
conclusion. To take a question a stage further and
say that is human life any less valuable than it
was five years ago or 10 years ago or 15 years
ago? And if you look at the statistics, one would
be very strong to believe that yes it does seem to
have less of a worth than it did five years ago or
10 years ago but it is also necessary to factor in
the increased growth of the population in general
and whether the factor of is it the same
100,000ÖÖone in a 100,000 or two in a 100,000 that
are killed by murder each day or is it a higher
percentage? Is it three or four or five, then you
can look at the figures more closely. You can say
in one location that it is less than it was five
years ago, fewer people are being murdered but if
you take a general overall pattern of the earth,
then you would see that it is quite probable that
there is increases in this statistic. And if you
were to look at the increase in population, youíd
have to factor in the growth of the population to
the amount of worth of peopleís life in general.
So therefore you could word it in any number of
ways that would lead to the same conclusion but
without giving the information on the percentages
of the worth, it is hard to say or lead you in a
direction that would give you the information
Iíd like to make an observation and a question if
40 years ago the America letís take for example
had a basically two kinds of life, you had small
town America and big town America.
and our moral structure was pretty much based on a
mixture of the two but stronger towards the
small-town America where in small-town America you
had a more moralistic society, marriages lasted a
long time, kids grew up into set patterns that
stayed with them that they followed from their
dads or moms. Now, weíre seeing with the Internet
spreading, people in big cities are actually now
in small cities. I mean you can be in the middle
of nowhere and itís still as if youíre in the
middle of Los Angeles for as much information as
you can access in a minute and as many people as
you can contact even quicker and Iím wondering if
perhaps thatís a state thatís changing the moral,
sadly unfortunately the change already occurred
before the arrival of the Internet.
you have to remember that the Internet has been
around far longer than you realize. Can anybody
answer this simple question, who were the first
people to use the Internet?
it was back East when the major colleges were
trying to connect up their databases between the
two of them so they could share information.
when was that?
God, 1961, '62?
in 1959 the military forces were using computers
to talk between various bases.
wasnít that in NORAD?
NORAD I guess it was.
okay it was the first computer built.
first military computer.
and there were the substations related to that
that was a network. That was the very first
inklings of the Internet.
wasnít that in 1946 or '47?
'49 was when it was operating effectively.
'49, '59 was when it was fully functional and
working on a large scale as opposed to within the
this is a network from base to base.
okay they were starting to build in '46 or '47.
okay, all right.
but the Internet grew very slowly until about I
would say '95 where it took off with a bang.
well isnít that due to the invention of the
transistor and then the consequently the
revolution of the chip?
the problem with the early system or the early
Internet was that you were using what has returned
and vacuum tubes.
and vacuum tubes but cable for the communication,
for the telephone lines. Cable as Monka pointed
out a few weeks ago in reference to cable modems,
I believe he mentioned that they're not as new as
it is a return to them. The fact that the quality
and the setup is far superior than it was in 1959
and 1947 is what is different about them.
correct, much more superior. Okay let us continue
with questions........okay last questions.
young man? Surely you must have something.
all right, we're discussing the weather patterns
before we started the channeling session and I
wanted to ask you a little bit about that or at
least one question on it is, currently theyíre
working on the fact that weather shifts in our
planet's system are either a combination of two
things or two things separately. One is the solar
flares causing shifts in our weather patterns and
the other is a magnetic pole shift which affects
the wobble which affects the weather. Is it both
of these or combination of the two?
it is interesting that you bring up the magnetic
shift. Okay the magnetic shift has no relevance to
the increase in temperature on its own. In
conjunction with the activity of the sunspots and
the normal motion and movement of the magnetic
alignments creates an enhancement in the friction,
one having an effect on the other. Independently,
if there was not the magnetic pole setup than the
solar flares would certainly increase the warmth
but not as exponentially as the increase in
movement that it generates within the pole if
there was a pole. The motion that is occurred is a
normal motion that happens and the increase in the
solar activity is also a normal increase that
occurs. In combination, it generates an increase
in temperature because of the friction that is
occurring. The effect of transferring the heat to
the surrounding area again is a natural
phenomenon. However, if there wasnít either, then
your planet would be a cold, useless rock
supporting minimal if any life at all. Both are
very necessary for existence, both together can be
very fatal for human existence or any existence
but it is also as much as it can be fatal it is
very necessary. And to add to this, it is part of
what happens, it is the natural cycle and
evolution of a planet. Now if there was no
magnetic pole, the core of your planet would cool
much more rapidly however with the pulling of the
sun's magnetic and gravitational force which
affects the poles of your planet means that the
movement creates friction and in return of
creating friction creates magma and heat so it is
very necessary and important. Okay thank you, last
questions.......okay you will have to excuse my
attempts at humor. Thank you very much, live long,
thank you Omal.
(Kiri comes back to
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hey, hey, hey,
joins the channeling session to
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Skip: how are you
Treebeard: I am functioning well. Greetings
Skip: Treebeard, let
me introduce this young lady. This is my lady and
her name is VickieÖ..
Skip: this is
Treebeard: I am honored and being of
pleasure to meet your acquaintance.
Vicki: thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you are most welcome.
Greetings young man.
Shane: is your name Tweety Bird or
Treebeard: Treebeard although that is
not my real name. It is not within your linguistic
ability to distort your tongue to being of
able to say my name.
Skip: do you
remember this young man Treebeard?
Treebeard: I am of remembering many
is Shane my grandson.
Treebeard: that is correct.
Skip: okay all right
I didnít know if I introduced you or not.
Treebeard: I believe being of few
Treebeard: okay let us say at this
time that we are of answering questions. As
much time has been of taken by Omal, we will keep
things of short as I am being told that we have
extra person of showing for talking. So instead of
being of dissertation, I give of answering questions
Russ: recently in one of the
sessions that Iím transcribing that you were
speaking in when we were talking about devas, you
mentioned the fact that devas use our energy and Iím
wondering how do devas use our energy?
Is it for in positive in working with making the
garden more beautiful or negative in making it so
for example if someoneís hurting a place to make it
so it was less beautiful?
Treebeard: I would think that would
being of evident that both being of used depending
on situation as you stated.
Russ: so the devas work off the
person's energy thatís involved?
Treebeard: that is being of correct.
As you stated, if negative then use negative, if
positive then being of using positive.
Russ: okay. I guess the question I had
was, why did they use our energy, why not just use
earth energy or ether energy orÖÖ?
Treebeard: what is nearer
and easier and is of causing either being benefit or
negativity? Why not use the root cause of either
positive or negative?
Russ: thatís true.
Skip: human energy
would be more accessible than anything else.
Treebeard: it is not so much being
accessible but for being that that is source of
either benefit or negative.
SIDE ONE ENDS
gets back to expanding on what he had been saying)
creating environment that for being of if let us say
great trees to create feeling of beauty
by dappled sunlight through branches or necessary to
being for drying so that seeds can germinate
through great intense fire but not so intense as to
destroy all. Part of problem that I perceive is that
by interfering with natural cycle, fire becomes far
more catastrophic then little natural fires that
burn through creating necessary nutrients for soil
and in some cases being for germination of seeds. So
solar energy being for used in many different ways
and devas help and use such energy by manipulating
branches and fauna and flora for purpose to maximize
effect of solar energy. So you are correct in asking
Russ: hmm, now is energy strictly
energy like a generic kind of energy? Are there
different kinds of energy? Like is human energy more
creative than solar energy?
Treebeard: there are many different
kinds of energy but define energy.
Shane: like waterpower,
because it makes electricity and thatís energy.
Treebeard: okay we have electrical
Skip: then you have
your soul and physical energy, you
have your healing powerÖ.
Skip: you have your
Treebeard: define difference on each
Skip: there is no
way to define it other than itís a force.
Treebeard: please define.
Russ: isnít it electrically charged
particles that is the difference
between all forms but thereís more electrons for
energy then there would be without?
Shane: isnít energy power?
Russ: yeah but itís
also, you have energy, I have energy.
Vicki: a rock has energy.
Russ: a rock has energy.
Skip: so itís the
creation of atoms in different forms.
Shane: there you go.
Treebeard: correct, it is
all the same but depending on source of storage
depends on what type of energy. Spiritual energy is
just the same as electric energy except for being of
stored in different way.
Russ: so howís it generated?
Shane: it's stronger.
Treebeard: correct, stronger as well.
Russ: but how is it
generated, how do you generate spiritual energy?
Shane: I donít know.
Vicki: you have it or you donít.
Skip: now wait a
Vicki: if you have it you work with
Skip: wait a minute.
Skip: energy is
formed by positive and negative electrons,
everything is formed by it, everything.
Skip: and if you
have no energy you donít exist.
Skip: so you are a
form of energy, it isnít produced, you are a form of
Skip: there's no
production here, youíre a form of energy, thatís a
form of energy, this is a form of energy, heís a
form of energy, the wall's a form of energy. Itís
not produced, it exists.
Treebeard: the air is a form of
Treebeard: it exists from positive and
negative electrons, atomicÖÖhow do you explain it?
Russ: so energy isnít created? Energy
Skip: itís not
produced, itís not manufactured okay? Is what Iím
trying to say, itís not manufactured. It exists.
Russ: all right.
Treebeard: I am thinking it being of
better to take up with someone that knows more of
what Skip is talking about.
Skip: Iím sorry.
Treebeard: that is okay. Okay I am of
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
Skip: thank you
Russ: you brought up some interesting
(Kiri comes to
transfer between speakers but stays to answer
Russ: oh yeah
Skip: hi sweetie.
Russ: hi Kiri.
what we said? Remember what we said about healing?
You do not heal the person, youíre a jumpstarter for
their own energy?
Shane: just like a car.
Skip: Iím sorry
darling, we got into a discussion here.
Kiri: I know, I was listening with
great interest. Okay energy, all
matter is energy, energy is stored in all matter. If
you were to condense all the matter in your
universe into one area, let us say the size
of your planet, the energy would generate so much
intense heat that an explosion would release that
energy and put it into motion. Energy cannot be
destroyed, matter can be destroyed. If you use the
symbol E equals MC equation, all matter in the
universe will not even help you to transform to the
speed of light. In doing so, it is very clear that
another mode of transport is used to reach and go
beyond the supposed light barrier.
But, it is also a misnomer to say that you canít
create energy, energy already exists. That is true
but you can create energy or rather you can take it
from a source that isnít in your universe and put it
into your universe. Now here we get really heavy. As
a star collapses within upon itself and compresses
down and keep compressing down and compressing down
sucking surrounding matter in, it gives off that
energy in radioactive amounts that are detected
hence the reason why black holes are detectable. As
the black hole sucks in more matter, the
gravitational pull.......a funny thing
happens to the gravitational pull,
becomes less. The more dense and gravitationally
dense the hole becomes, the denser and less strength
the gravitational pull is. Can anybody tell me why?
Russ: I don't understand.
Skip: what sheís
saying is, the deeper or further the star condenses
and pulls in matter from outer space
creating a black hole, the less the gravitational
field is within that black hole. Outside of it it's
atrocious but in the hole itself there is nothing.
Kiri: no, what is happening is the
gravitational mass becomes so dense, the actual
gravitational pull into the black hole becomes less.
Skip: oh okay I got
it backwards then, I'm sorry.
Kiri: yeah, doesnít disappear all
together but it becomes less as it gets bigger, why?
condensing down and getting ready to explode.
Kiri: that happens much, much later.
Russ: well what happenedÖÖ..isnít
there a point of no return?
Skip: yeah, yeah a
Russ: well that means if what youíre
sayingís true which goes against everything I ever
thought would happen, then you can actually enter a
Kiri: yeah but once you cross over the
event horizon you canít get out, the gravitational
pull will not let you out.
Russ: but itís less?
Kiri: it is still stronger then you
Skip: but itís less
than it was when it started.
Kiri: much less, it is not so much of
what happens, it is why.
Skip: because as it
keeps compressing, itís compressing energy and a
fantastic amount of energy.
Kiri: but you cannot destroy energy.
Skip: so whatís
going to happen when you keep
compressing it down?
Shane: itís going to burst.
Skip: it has to reverse.
Kiri: thatís not the reason why the
gravitational pull becomes less, I want you guys to
work out why the gravitational pull becomes less.
Russ: well you said last time we
Russ: that gravity is caused by
Skip: there'd be no
Russ: so if there is no rotation,
thereís no gravity or there is less
gravity depending on how much rotation there is.
Kiri: can we find spherical object for
Shane: a what?
Russ: spherical one?
Russ: oh a ball,
Kiri: a ball or a
Russ: hereís an orange,
does that help?
Kiri: that helps, perfect.
Russ: one orange.
Kiri: put it on the center
there. Okay, see what happened?
Kiri: let me do it. God, canít trust
men. (Skip chuckles) Okay, one orange, this is your
nuclei for your imploding star. Okay, this here and
itís good that it's visible, is a black
hole. Lets get it moving. Okay as it gets more and
more dense and more and more stuff is pushed in, my
is acting as a force pushing in, whatís happening to
Skip: so youíre
Kiri: thank you.
Skip: so youíre
losing your gravitational pull.
Russ: that doesnít make sense though,
isnít it like a whirlpool that as you go deeper it
Kiri: no, it doesnít work that way.
Skip: probably the
deeper you go the slower it would get.
Russ: in a whirlpool? No Iíve
done the thing with pennies where itís going down
and it spins faster.
Skip: now wait a
minute, wait a minute, a
whirlpool pulls from out to the edge of it. As you
go down through the center of it you hit nothing, it
doesnít whirl anymore down there, it just sucks
Kiri: now what is happening is as the
black hole gets deeper, the fabric of
space around it is bent and as it bends down right?
Of course all matter gets sucked in and as more
matter get sucked in, the deeper it pushes down
which means that it becomes less of a pull because
it is getting longer and longer. Now
when you reach the event horizon you could actually
cross over the lip of the black hole. A
massive black hole you could cross over the
lip into it and you can go down but as soon
as you reach the event horizon
claps her hands loudly)
itís got you, there is no escape. Thatís it,
itís over. Now, sorry, you were going toÖ
Shane: is it like a Venus fly trap?
Skip: is it
like a Venus fly trap?
Kiri: yes exactly, like a Venus fly
trap, itís got you.
Russ: so is there a way to break out
before it gets to the event horizon?
Kiri: of course.
Skip: but where is
that, the event horizon?
Kiri: the event horizon is that
instant just where you can go either way. You can
get out or you can go in
but as soon as you pass the event horizon, that
split second and it is a split second, a millionth
of a second.
Skip: that would beÖÖ
Russ: but where you go
once you enter the event horizon?
Kiri: you accelerate and accelerate
beyond the speed of light but, when you approach the
speed of light you are traveling so fast that time
no longer matters. Time
stands still so you would not be aware that
you had gone over the event horizon because the
acceleration is so phenomenally fast, time would
stand still and you would cease to exist and you
would be returned to the universe as radiation
energy. Now, somebody mentioned critical mass.
Shane: critical what?
Skip: critical mass.
Kiri: critical mass and what happens
with critical mass?
Kiri: uh-huh, somebody actually had an
answer to my next question without realizing it.
Okay my next question is, what happens when the
amount of energy is equal to the amount that is left
outside of a black hole?
Skip: hmm, it
Kiri: now who said that originally?
Skip: it was
Einstein wasnít it?
Kiri: no, who in this room?
Kiri: or that room down there.
Russ: you did.
Russ: I mean Skip did.
Kiri: Shane did. Somebody answered the
next question by thinking ahead. What happens when
you reach critical mass of a black hole when it has
the equal amount of energy inside and outside?
Skip: it explodes.
Kiri: now when that happens......this
is where gets very interesting........as a
black hole explodes, it has sucked in so much matter
that it cannot hold any more, obviously
otherwise it would not explode. When that happens,
something wonderful occurs.
Shane: whatís that?
Kiri: something fantastic.
Russ: energy creation?
Shane: a new life?
Kiri: much more beautiful than new
life but new life comes from it. Okay,
a black hole explodes and it can only explode when
it reaches that critical mass and that
can only happen when what?
Shane: it canít hold anymore.
Kiri: true but there is one reason why
it canít hold anymore.
Russ: itís gotten too deep.
Skip: no, its energy
has built up to a point where it canít hold anymore,
it canít compress anymore, it has to explode.
Kiri: uh-huh, I'll give you a clue,
involves other black holes too.
it would create a new galaxy.
Kiri: getting close.
Russ: it warps.
Kiri: uh-uh but no, thereís
only one way that it can occur. Hereís your black
hole, hereís another one.
Skip: it could go
into another black hole or form a black hole between
makes a sucking sound)
the one sucked the other in.
sucked it in. Hereís a star......
makes another sucking sound)
hereís another star, hereís a galaxy, hereís
another galaxy, hereís another black hole thatís
been doing the same thing. In fact they're the
last two left.
thatís it, itís not a big crunch. Itís not a big
crunch at the end because everything has already
been compressed prior to that point. Two black
holes meet, theyíve got extreme equal amounts of
mass. One tries to suck into the other one, the
other one tries to suck the other one in. They
fight, what happens from that fight?
they kill each other.
pretty close to it, they have equal amounts of
matter and energy stored within them.
they would cancel each other out.
claps her hands together)
collapse into each other, in turn what happens
when you have two negatives?
they blow each other away.
thatís right, they blow each other to pieces.
and in doing so you get?
the Big Bang.
that implies multiple Big Bangs though.
well what makes you think that theyíre not
happening now? Theyíre just too far away from us
to realize that theyíre happening.
and donít forget, what weíre watching now through
telescopes and photographs has happened a million
well they got that new x-ray telescope they just
launched, it's designed to see black holes.
right, we'll be able to see black holes but what
we're still looking at is our past.
anything is from the past. Shane, the image that
youíre seeing of the host body right now is in the
past. Very slippery concept huh?
no, because someone told me something a long time
okay what is it?
tomorrow is always today but today is always
okay bring that to the now. Light traveling from
the body of the host that you see reaches your
eye. Itís got to travel. It may be a billionth of
a second but itís still in the past. It may be 10
billion, billionths of a second but itís still in
the past. Every image you see is in the past, even
if it is only a inperceptual past, itís in the
but what weíre seeing in the skies are millions
and millions of years ago.
Iím taking up too much time.
yep and we're running into some pretty deep
(Wing Commander Taal
stops by for a visit)
Russ: greetings Taal.
Russ, greetings Skip.
Skip: yes. This is
Vickie, my lady friend.
Russ: this is Taal.
Taal: I am one of
the pilots that patrol so that you may sleep as
safely as possible from other groups that wish to
make you visit them without consent. I am here
briefly for saying that you have pen and scribe
Russ: ready to go.
Taal: even though I
only know as you call him Baron as a instructor and
visiting officer on assignment to us, it is of great
sorrow that we lose one of the finest persons that
has been my honor to have ever known. It is part of
life that we all say goodbye. It is not that we are
of saying goodbye nor is it of how we
say goodbye but it is of how we say hello and what
we do for those that we hold around us. As you call
him Baron, to me he was one of
those people that when he was on duty saw
everything. Mistakes that I made that in other
situations could of cost me my life,
he would inform me of alone saying that if I did
that in a touch situation I wouldíve died
and pointing out these mistakes guaranteed that I
live. Even though to us death is a period of waiting
and happy release, it is hard to think of a friend
that you wonít see until we are with him in waiting
it is not for sadness but for joy that I say to your
friend and mine, see you in a while.
Russ: thank you Taal.
Taal: thank you.
Russ: very excellent.
Taal: I will answer
question if necessary but remember it is always a
smile to live and the end happens to us all. Any
Skip: none for me.
Russ: not really, he went like he
wanted to go.
Taal: no he did not.
Russ: oh, thatís true.
Skip: he wasnít in
(Shane comes back in the room)
Russ: it's Taal.
Skip: the Baron
Taal: okay, no questions,
I must depart as I have duties I need to be of
Russ: thank you Taal, give our love to
Taal: I will.
Taal: it is not for tears, he is
(Kiri makes the quickest of transitions between
okay, everybody up, down, flying around, doing the
loop and defying the ground. Okay.
(Karra gets in her turn as
Karra? All right okay, all right.
Karra, is my lady friend Vicki, this is Karra.
itís a pleasure to meet you. I see you have a bit
of a respiratory problem.
I notice a tone of cynicism.
just a little.
okay, I will explain if nobody else is explaining
themselves but I will explain as Omal is the only
one to explain. Primarily and happily I am a
healer. Sadly, I have been assigned the detail of
representing Sirius on Hades Base to the Earth so
therefore I donít get as much healing practice as
I would like. Iíll answer questions, weíre short
on time. Any questions?
donít think so.
how you doing love?
Iím doing good.
whatís the latest scoop?
anything fun and exciting going on right now?
not that you want to hear about.
not what you want to hear. You want to hear
reasons? Reasons for excuses.
excuses are just like opinions, everybodyís got
uh-huh and Iíve seen plenty just recently.
uh-huh, very fun. You have to excuse me being a
little cynical, as you know thereís a lot going on
up here and other things.
no rest for the wicked, I guess that makes me
downright evil, in fact it must make me
no not really.
uh-huh, as the host is fond of saying, ďmy cloved
feet are killing me. My horns hurt........and my
tailÖ..Ē And eventually I will change my name to
something like Mephistopheles or Lucifer. Okay
hereís a question, Russ, you are exempt from
answering this question.
anybody can tell me what Lucifer means?
is it like a lost angel or something?
Lucifer means light bringer.
light bringer, the Devilís called that?
thatís his name.
thatís what he was known as.
uh-huh. When he was an angel in your mythology. He
sat on the right-hand side......
and got a little egotistical.
got a whole bunch egotistical.
because he wanted to be better than him.
more or less, he thought he could get into
competition with the Almighty that balances
everything, the good and the evil.
uh-huh, you canít have one without the other, you
got to have one. It goes back to Kiriís equations
how would you know good if there was no evil?
because if there is no evil you canít learn.
if you laugh all of the time how can you cry?
there you go.
and if you laugh all the timeÖÖactually can
somebody tell me can laughing kill you?
it sure can.
uh-huh. Okay, can laughing be a disease?
can somebody tell me what the name of that disease
no I canít tell you.
okay what causes that disease?
what causes the disease?
laughing gas, lack of oxygen?
because you can be sad and be laughing.
this is a ailment, this is a disease and
originally it was primarily one tribe that
suffered from this disease.
suffered from it?
uh-huh, from New Guinea and they have a not a
unique but a interesting eating habit.
the Inca tribe?
no, no, no, they were from New Guinea and they had
an unusual eating habit?
it must have been pygmies.
uh-huh and this disease comes from only one part
of human body.
thatís right and not all people carry the disease.
all of them do?
no, not everybody does in fact very, very few do
otherwise this tribe wouldíve been extinct a long
time ago and it's calledÖ..its local name is
laughing sickness and you laugh yourself to death.
The scientific name from your planet is Creutzfeld-Jacobs
sounds like something else.
and basically what happens is the brain turns into
a huge sponge-like substance and you go crazy and
like you were like a baby because you have to
no, no, no, no. I mean like a real sponge, not
soaking up knowledge but like a real sponge. It
gets full of holes and all sorts of things.
then itís very rare.
it is very rare but it has a more common name at
mad cow disease. Okay letís continue, letís talk
about something cheerful and entertaining. Let's
get all of our minds on something cheerful, I know
I could do with it................okayÖ.(sighs)
well that was a.....
of course you could tell me how to build a warp
I wish I could, I donít know how to. I can tell
you how to set a leg. I can tell you how to lay a
settle to but as for setting a warp core engine, I
havenít got the foggiest.
this has been a joke between this young me and me
for quite a while.
wrong young lady.
you are talking about my little sister.
yes I am, Iím sorry again.
yes, the mischievous one who gave you a lecture on
quantum physics and I know we do sound alike
yeah I know.
especially when we both got things on our minds.
Okay, I will hop off and hand you back to the
engineer with the twisted sense of humor.
(Kiri's back to finish up
Shane: someone is here.
Kiri: uh-huh Iím here. Okay, where
were we? Oh yeah, how much time do we have left,
Skip: maybe, just
about enough time to tell me how to build a warp
Russ: yep, about five minutes.
Kiri: that wouldnít be enough. If I
just started off with the equation, that would have
so mind boggled and the explanation
would take so long.
Skip: honey Iím just
teasing you, you know that.
Kiri: I know, I know, I know and you
know what happens when you tease.
Skip: make a joke
and thatís it.
Kiri: okay, now where were we on black
holes? We were talking about black holes werenít we?
Shane: a little while ago.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay anybody heard any
Kiri: you havenít.
Kiri: so how did you find America
Russ? Shane, how do you find America?
Shane: how do you find it?
Kiri: well Iíd turn left at Greenland.
Kiri: nobodyís talking so I might as
well make a comment towards everybody.
Vicki: well we have a lot of problems
Vicki: itís probably still one of the
best countries in the world.
Kiri: Iíd say itís from what Iíve seen
and what Iíve read and I really would like to come
down there. It does seem like a nice place, it seems
like youíve got everything there. You can travel
within your country without showing one of your
certificates to travel between countries.
Shane: you're not required to have
Kiri: uh-huh but youÖ.
Skip: a passport.
Kiri: yeah, you can go from rugged
coastline to palm lined beaches, you can go from
high mountains to low meadows, you can go from
bitter cold and skiing in the winter to sunning
yourself on the beaches of Florida all
in one day I should imagine.
Shane: Florida is onlyÖ
Vicki: only because we're allowed to.
Skip: and you can go
to the deepest spot in the world
thatís on dry land.
Kiri: uh-huh, you canít go to the
highest but you can go to something like the 10th or
seventh highest. Okay, I know
something you guys donít.
Skip: what's that?
Shane: well a lot?
Kiri: yeah I know, thatís besides the
point. I know something about your country that you
Skip: whatís that babe?
Kiri: okay, whatís the highest spot in
the United States of America?
Shane: itís underwater isnít it?
Skip: the highest
spot can be underwater? Come on.
Kiri: actually Shaneís not that far
from the truth but that doesnít really count. The
highest mountain in the United States.
Vicki: where is it, in California?
Skip: no, no, no.
Kiri: no the way that Shaneís looking
at it and heís correct but thatís not what Iím after
Shane: up towards
Alaska or Washington.
Kiri: heís getting close, he's
getting close to the highest one above sea level.
Russ: well that would be Mount
Shane: the highest mountain is in the
water isnít it?
Kiri: Russ had it, Russ said it.
Russ: yeah Mount McKinley in Alaska.
Kiri: uh-huh but the actual highest
mountain from the ground to its peak, Shaneís right.
Shane: itís in the water.
Kiri: uh-huh, do you know where it is?
Skip: Atlantic Ocean isn't
Shane: I don't remember, I just
remember that itís in water.
Skip: oh, the
Kiri: thatís right.
Skip: yeah, the
actually even taller than the Everest if you
were to go from the bottom to the top.
Skip: yeah, yeah the Hawaiian
Skip: and they're
Kiri: thatís correct so Shane is right
again. He answered one question and was ahead on
another question, he is doing good tonight and
you know it's the truth Shane.
You want to
know why I know itís the truth? Because Iím the
hippest chick in my class, Iím so cool I donít have
to think. Iím also the smartest in
my class. Iím also the award of two years in a row
for top coercer.
Shane: top what?
Kiri: it means I can control people by
my mind if I wish. Oh Iíve got a message from Omal,
itís nice and cool isnít it?
Russ: uh-huh, quite nice.
Skip: yes it is.
Kiri: uh-huh, took him a while but I
think he did it.
Kiri: okay anyway Shane, I know where
youíre coming from. Just remember that
because I do the same thing, donít I dude?
Kiri: Iím the ditz,
Iím the party animal....
Kiri: and youíve all seen me
except for Vicki of course, all seen me goof around,
be silly, get up, wander off and cause trouble.
Skip: and throw your
Kiri: uh-huh. But I can boast about my
IQ because Iím very comfortable with it and
everybody knows that I may be silly, I maybe goofy,
I may be a flake but Iím smart too. And the thing is
the most important thing about being smart is
accepting it yourself. So, you want to be a flake.
So, you donít want to bothered with people expecting
things from you because you are smart. Put on the
actÖÖ..put it on well but remember, itís an act,
itís not a way of life. To be intelligent and to
succeed, you can be as goofy as you want, you can be
as eccentric as you want, you can be a flake but as
long as you keep that spark that you are smart, that
you are capable of doing whatever you turn
your mind to, then youíre not playing the game that
they want you to play and they know that you are a
flake but youíre not. Remember that. Read all the
books that you can, be as smart as you can, continue
to be the flake, continue to be the punk, continue
to be the party animal, continue to have fun but
also continue to be smart, donít become dumb because
if you become dumbÖÖ
Shane: because you already are smart,
you canít be dumb.
Kiri: uh-huh, got to be smart and
youíve proved it twice tonight that you are smart but
what Iím saying is keep it up and I expect a joke
from you and I expect goofy
comments from you and I expect you to be wild. You
want to know why?
Kiri: because Iím wilder and I donít
care what people think. Okay, any questions?
THE TAPE ENDS