SIDE ONE
(Omal comes on as
the first speaker)
Omal:
greetings and felicitations.
Russ:
greetings Omal.
Omal:
greetings Russ, greetings
Skip.
Skip:
good evening Omal.
Omal:
okay, how is everything?
Russ:
spectacular.
Omal:
and how are you doing Skip?
Skip:
great but I’m getting better.
Omal:
that is good. Okay, let us get
down to business and start
discussing upcoming events and
occurrences and also past
events. We will start in the
past and proceed into the
present and then finally,
hopefully into the future.
Okay, first of all let’s go
over the past three weeks and
the occurrences that have
happened within those last
three weeks. Let us travel
back a little bit further to
approximately a year ago when
a similar spate
of communiqués were released
with the various situations
going on in other parts of the
world and some also being
similar parts of the world. It
appears to be a cycle that
takes place in early September
and goes right through getting
progressively worse until it
gets the point where it becomes
necessary to monitor. As we
have seen this year compared
to last year, this is far
worse. In previous years it
appears to be a continual
trend on an upward level of
aggressive actions, political
unrest, social and economic
unrest and also planetary
unrest. The reasons why the
planetary crusts and shifts
occur more frequently in the
later part of your year is as
you approach closer to the Sun
on
the cycle which during your
winter you’re actually closer
to the Sun than you are during
the summer. The pull
seems to be more intense at
this time. The
photon cloud certainly has
played a part in this and it
seems to me that the increased
gravitational effects have
been more pronounced recently.
This is also part of, if you
study closely, you will
notice that this plays very
much into sunspot cycles. Also
the effect of these
earthquakes do have a social
and economic nature attached
to them making the struggle
even harder. You will notice
in manufacturing parts of your
world an increase in prices.
If you look at various events
going on right now in the
present, you’ll notice that
there has been a lot of
precipitation activity in
North Carolina,
first
of all from hurricane Floyd
and now from hurricane or
tropical storm Irene has
dumped a lot of water on these
producing areas which in turn
has an economic effect which
would be?
Russ:
higher prices.
Omal:
that is correct which in turn
puts a burden on the
production and the retail
side. So you see the problem.
Now moving a little bit into
the future, we see as the
winter gets more closer in the
northern hemisphere, that
there will be more
concentration on survival as
opposed to unrest. For
example, this time of year,
Chechnya is becoming cool,
the nights are definitely
getting longer, the
temperatures are getting
colder. It’s
a very mountainous terrain and
therefore as winter gets near
the fighting will taper off however,
before that arrives there will
be some big pushes. It seems
to me that Tia’s analyzing
what occurred and saying that
she was incorrect in that it
was the rebels that had caused
the problem…..that it was the
Russians that
caused the problem and she
corrected herself by saying
that that was incorrect and it
was a small minority that was
causing problems for a large
majority. What appears to be
happening now is unfortunately
Russia is attacking a small
minority in trying to
stabilize the area and in
doing so unfortunately the
majority is being harmed by
both sides. Now there is a
situation occurring in Belarus
at this time where a more of a
shall we say a
old-style Soviet dictator
is jockeying for position and
power and could actually
present some serious problems.
He is trying to reunify with
Russia into a greater Russia
so that it would give him more
influence and power and the
dictator is a little I
hesitate to say dangerous but
certainly somebody that is
worth watching and it’s very
reminiscent of the early
Soviet Union under
such people as Lenin and
Stalin. That is something that
is worth watching. Last week
there was also a comment made
by Mme. ambassador (Karra) in
regards to a
possible isolationist movement
occurring within the United
States. That is a possibility
but one at this time that
needs to be downplayed but
watched carefully for that
movement. At the
moment we do not see anybody
strongly suggesting an
isolationist movement but if
that was to occur, and that is
a possibility, it would be
something that would be a
benefit in a very, very short
run and in the long run would
be very detrimental to the
United States even
possibly leading up to a
breakup of the United States
which again would be very
unuseful for a global society
and economy. However, we do
not see that as a strong
potential, just something very
minor and worth looking out
for and maybe if necessary
becoming very vocal in your
capacities against this and
not leading a charge but
certainly getting the word out
there against a isolationist
movement. In the past any
country that has isolated
itself in the short
term it has benefited it but
in the long term it has been
very harmful. To give a few
examples, the Peoples Republic
of China is one example,
another example is Japan and
finally the Soviet Union. The
isolationists tend to end up
being more backward in the
long run. Okay, having covered
the past, the present and the
future, let us open up for
discussion.
Russ:
okay, the situation happening
in Chechnya…..
Omal:
uh-huh.
Russ:
how does that differ from the
situation that happened
between Indonesia and Timor?
Omal:
it differs in the fact that it
is a totally A, different
setup, you
have a area where a lot of
damage has been done by a very
small minority of individuals
to an external
power. I have not seen a small
group of individuals attacking
Indonesia from East Timor.
Conversely it has been the
opposite in East Timor that it
has been the larger area
attacking a
small
minority……or majority in that
area but a
minority overall. So they are
two
totally opposites.
Russ:
but prior to that before this
current problem back when
Russia was trying to quell
Chechnya’s bid for
independence where there
weren’t anything like
movements into Russia to
actually to use terrorist
actions there,
Chechnya was just a smaller
power that was basically a
former part of Russia but
still considered a
protectorate and then they
wished to be completely
independent of all kind of
rule from Russia and set out
to make a stance about that.
Omal:
unfortunately Chechnya is one
of these areas where I hate to
use the term backward but they
are certainly not in an ideal
position
to be able to be independent
from an area which is very
beneficial for
it. It is a shortsightedness
that is national pride which
is certainly a good thing to
have but to be aware that for
a better and greater
area, they
certainly should be protected
and looked after and trade,
not necessarily in commodities
but trade in all sorts of
possibilities with someone
such as the Soviet Union.
Russ:
hmmm, and Timor of course is
now I guess the world’s newest
nation.
Omal:
and one that is unfortunately
not very capable of supporting
itself independently from
Indonesia.
Russ:
correct which brings
me to that point I
had just brought up.
Skip:
it doesn't have the economic
power.
Omal:
that is correct.
Russ:
yeah.
Skip:
hmm.
Russ:
going to be propped up by
world governments until it can
actually get itself on its own
feet which might never happen.
Omal:
exactly.
Skip:
that’s what I was looking at,
yeah it may never happen.
Russ:
so I’m wondering how much of a
wise move it was for
anybody to really rock the
boat, especially Indonesia and
its efforts. I think could
have been done a little more
diplomatically to maintain
Timor’s dependence on
Indonesia.
Omal:
unfortunately it is something
that
when
somebody sees the opportunity
to be independent, "we can
be our own country", national
pride is something very
powerful and has
caused many problems in the
past. If you look at some of
these nations that have had
great national pride within
themselves, they have
normally ended up in deep
trouble. If you look at your
history, you can see many
instances of that and people
do not learn from those
historical instances. A lot of
people do not even
know the history of those.
Russ:
well I’m sure it’s not
restricted to just this
planet.
Omal:
no unfortunately,
it
seems to be a condition of the
third dimensional life form.
Russ:
unfortunately I have to assume
that would be correct. Until
we get to that higher
dimension where we can
understand that all is all,
we're still stuck with
independence and I am me and
you are you. Okay, oh oh
Skip, let me go
and pass the ball over to
you for a few.
Skip:
do what?
Russ: do you have any
questions?
Skip:
no, no, no. I’m just
listening.
Russ:
okay. Now in the isolationist
movement Karra talked about
America and staying out of
things, isn't
the question more or less
though even if there was an
isolationist movement that due
to the Internet and the
greater communications
available to people that you
can’t really maintain an
isolationist movement due to
the fact of the amount of
information coming in from the
world would pretty much
incense enough people to
stifle any movement that might
be
started?
Omal:
no, it is very easy to cut
Internet access from the
outside the world to an area.
You saw that very recently
what happens when a important
communication center is made
inactive.
Russ:
what,
Faxdave. (?)
Omal:
no I’m talking about
yesterday’s incident.
Russ:
oh, where
Microsoft went down.
Omal:
now imagine if it was
deliberately set up that
telephone communications could
not get into your country.
Would you have an Internet
external after that?
Russ:
I don't
know, isn’t
there also a satellite system
that's set up?
Omal:
certainly and satellite
transmissions can be very
easily blocked.
Russ:
hmm.
Skip:
they could jam that.
Omal:
very easily.
Skip:
that can be jammed okay?
Omal:
so therefore it is something
that would be very easy and if
people were being monitored or
major leaders were being
monitored, they could be
manipulated in a way that they
would receive erroneous
information that would be
altered as it were, it is very
easy to do.
Russ:
hmm okay.
Skip:
in other words you could
coerce a nation.
Omal:
very easily, it is the
Internet on that side is more
dangerous than if you were
having information coming in
through the Internet,
all's
you have to do is alter it
slightly and it serves your
purpose.
Skip:
changes its whole meaning.
Omal:
correct, a few choice words
here, a few choice words there
and things would change as Skip
pointed out their meanings
totally.
Russ:
hmm.
Skip:
just like, can I make a
personal example?
Omal:
but certainly.
Skip:
have you ever been in class
when they have what they call 'pass
a whisper'?
Russ:
huh-huh.
Skip:
when the teacher whispers
something to the front student
and it’s passed all through
the class and by the time it
gets back, it ain’t nothing
near what was said to begin
with?
Omal:
I believe a good example would
be an incident in the First
World War where I believe it
was a US Marine force was
about to attack Belleau
Woods and the order was
whispered down the line, “send
for reinforcements, we’re
about to advance.” By the time
it got halfway down the line,
it was, “send two and four
pence, we’re going to a
dance.”
Skip:
uh-huh.
Omal:
so it is very easy to do.
Skip:
people do not repeat what they
hear, they repeat what they
think they heard.
Russ:
hmm.
Omal:
okay, let us progress, let us
answer more questions please.
Russ:
okay, you mentioned the photon
cloud and that's
something that we haven’t
really dealt with in a long
time but it’s something since
you brought it up, worthy
to explore just
a little bit.
Omal:
okay.
Russ:
at that time when we last
discussed it we were on the
fringes of it and it’s been
approximately about a year
since then that we discussed
it….
Omal:
uh-huh.
Russ:
and I’m curious as to how much
of that cloud are we starting
to really fully get into now?
Omal:
you’re starting to see more
denser patches, you’re still
certainly very much on the
fringe of it but it is
certainly more further in than
you were last year and
therefore like a cloud where
you first get into the fringes
and it is very light and wispy
and you can still see around
you, you’re now into patches
where it is more dense and you
cannot see out of but a few
moments pass and
you're into a more wispy area
progressing into a more denser
area.
Russ:
okay, as such, the results and
changes that might occur
because of this?
Omal:
I believe we covered them
pretty extensively when we
were discussing it about a
year ago when we initially
started discussing it.
Russ:
I was going to use it on
the website, I can’t remember
what I wrote down now.
Omal:
ahh, you do not have shall I
say long-term memory?
Russ:
I only have short-term memory.
(Skip
chuckles)
Omal:
ahh, I see humor going
backwards and forwards. Okay,
more questions please?
Skip:
yeah, yeah, yeah I have one.
We have destroyed or punched a
hole in our own ionosphere…..
Omal:
uh-huh.
Skip:
I've heard reports from
different sources within the
last six, eight months that
it’s slowly closing itself
back up, is this true?
Omal:
that is correct.
Skip:
okay, then that means that the
Freon
isn’t being discharged like it
was years ago?
Omal:
that is correct.
Skip:
okay, all right,
I just wanted to verify that.
Omal:
now something that I may add
to that is that the ozone does
regenerate itself. Ozone
at a lower level is a health
problem, high up
it is a protectorate. So the
ozone that you generate that
adds into such things as smog
is actual fact something that
is being generated and
repaired. However there is a
natural cycle involving the
hole in the ozone layer over
Antarctica, it
will decrease and increase.
For your species to be
concerned about it is very
wise to be concerned about it
however the knowledge that you
have of the natural cycle of
the hole in the ozone layer
over Antarctica only covers
maybe 30 years, 40 years at
most. So you really don’t know
the cycle and
the long-term effects that are
being attributed to the ozone
layer. Now too much ozone in
your atmosphere is again a
problem. Do you know what
happens if you
have too much ozone in your
upper atmosphere?
Skip:
it probably replaces the
oxygen.
Omal:
up at that altitude that is
not a
problem.
Skip:
oh okay.
Omal:
you do not go that high.
Skip:
okay.
Russ:
start
to block solar
radiation more?
Omal:
it does the opposite, it traps
it.
Russ:
hmm.
Skip:
oh, that’s why we’re getting
the UV rays heavier,
heavier.
Omal:
because it is again part of
the natural cycle.
Skip:
uh-hmm.
Omal:
it gets thicker and denser and
then it thins out and moves
around and there are quite a
few different things that go
on with the ozone layer that
you’re not fully aware of. As
I stated, you have at most 40
years worth of
knowledge on
what the ozone actually does.
Skip:
in other words, it acts like a
magnifier……excuse me, I didn’t
mean to…..
Omal:
oh certainly.
Skip:
it acts like a magnifier.
Omal:
in one way yes.
Skip:
huh,
okay that makes sense.
Omal:
just as you start to name
phenomena using Latin names, I
don’t mean you personally but
I mean your local scienity.
Such things as El Niño and La
Niña are pretty new terms in
your vocabulary that until
recently weren’t understood or
even named so
you had four dry
years of extremely dry weather
where you had a drought.
Conversely you had a number of
years where you had a wet
period and high precipitation.
These are not new phenomena,
they’re just old names being
revised to replace phenomena
that was, “okay it was a bad
winter, it was a good winter,
it was a dry winter, it was a
wet winter.” Now it is looked
upon as new terminology and
something worth
studying.
Russ:
hmm.
Skip:
inventing new words for old
terms.
Omal:
more old terms, the
El Niño and La Niña are terms
that were introduced by the
Hispanics when they came from
Spain into the new....what you
call the New World.
Skip:
uh-huh, we are the New World
yeah.
Omal:
so it is something that if you
were...if the indigenous
aboriginals of your area had
kept written
records of climate,
temperature, precipitation and
so on, you would see a very
distinct and definite pattern
after all. A lot of the
civilizations that have been
around, if their records had
survived, you would have two,
3,000 years worth
of records
which would give you a very
interesting pattern that would
be worth
studying and analyzing and
seeing the regular cycles.
Those cycles are not clockwork
regular but they are within
five years of a
cycle which over two to three
thousand years, is
fairly regular. Okay, any more
questions?
Russ:
uh-huh. Since
we’re on cycles, one
quick question on that is, are
we at the point of a
cycle where had we better
records we can keep more track
of this but through the
civilizations since the dawn
of man where social
phenomenon, I mean natural
phenomena set
off social pressures
that have either increased or
decreased the population’s
ability to deal with it where
you see civilizations go under
or build up due to
natural phenomenon and the
pressures held back by that.
Are we like unconsciously or subconsciously
feeling
those pressures again as the
cycle reaches its point?
Omal:
certainly, certainly. If you
had extensive records for the
last let us say 5,000 years of
natural events, space events,
solar events, you would see
that there is a definite cycle
and civilizations either
flourish or become extinct on
how they handle those events.
If you were to take something
like the events of Atlantis,
you would see that there are
certainly very interesting
cycles that a civilization if
it survives becomes much, much
stronger. Conversely, if the
civilization is hit by it and
is weakened,
eventually the civilization
fades away and becomes
extinct. They’re not just
natural phenomenon. If you
take for example the Incan
Empire, as soon as they had
contact with the Western world,
they had serious problems and
eventually it became an
extinct civilization.
Russ:
couldn’t handle the pressure.
Then what about with Rome with
like say Pompeii? Pompeii
happened just about the last
part of Rome.
Omal:
yes that certainly had an
interesting factor in it. It
happened in I
believe 75 A.D. which
definitely wasn’t the end of
Rome.
Russ:
right.
Omal:
Rome flourished for another
couple hundred years. The rot
that was causing the problem
for Rome had already started
at that point,
this
was
just a factor that occurred and
caused problems later on.
Certainly there were a number
of very prominent and
well-to-do individuals that
were caught in both the
catastrophe at Pompeii and
Herculaneum which did play a
part in the more widespread
corruption that developed
later on.
Russ:
hmm, okay. Well
done, thank you.
Thanks Omal.
Omal:
not a problem. No more
questions?
Skip:
no.......
Russ:
no.
Skip:
not for me, thank you.
Omal:
okay, live long, prosper and,
I will be back.
(Kiri takes over
as ring mistress.)
Russ:
definitely
worth studying,
phenomena what we do know of
from records that
have been discovered
and civilizations beginning or
ending shortly thereafter.
Skip:
well from what I understand is
astrologers that
are
studying these
stars
and what’s going on in the
universe are coming up
with a lot more
history than they have
before.
Russ:
hmmm, you mean like what place
where
the stars were
at when a
civilization was
rising or
falling?
Skip:
yes, yes, yes.
See
because some of the lights
from the stars are still there
even though
the star is gone
because it’s
millions and millions of
light-years away so the light
is still there but the star
could possibly be
gone.
Russ:
hmm, interesting.
Skip:
okay? So they're.......with
the
new computers and new
telescopes that
are being satellited,
they’re coming up with more
and more and more continuous.....it’s
amazing how much information
they're coming up with. I’m
sorry I didn’t mean to
interrupt.
Kiri:
oh that’s quite all right,
quite all right. Actually you
brought up a very good point
that I happen to have a little
bit of an interest in……you’re
going to love this one Russ.
There is a theory on your
planet that the pyramids are
obviously older than they
actually are and so is the
Sphinx.
Russ:
uh-huh.
Kiri:
this is because a theory is
going around from a tomb that
was discovered a little bit
earlier than the pyramids that
has a landscape picture of the
River Nile and overhead is in
alignment is
the
Magellan cloud.
Russ:
hmmm.
Kiri:
and within the picture of the
landscape is a construction, a
very early construction of a
great pyramid.
Russ:
great pyramid?
Kiri:
and……
Russ:
thought
it looked
almost like a swampy area too.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
which is definitely not
holding up with when the
pyramids were said
to have been built which would be a
dry, deserty
area.
Kiri:
uh-huh and, if you do the
maths and run the
computer simulations which has
been done, you would find that
to have that exact alignment
of the Magellan cloud and
Orion....or what’s the......Osiris
are lined up in the
configuration that
they have it
would be much, much earlier
than previously thought,
considerably
earlier.
Russ:
well that would explain the
water runoff onto the Sphinx
which definitely points to a
much wetter
climate then when it was
built.
Kiri:
which puts it at current….
Russ:
or survived.
Kiri:
wait for the number……..puts
it current 12,000
years for that particular
alignment to have occurred.
Russ:
12,000 years BC?
Kiri:
no, from now.
Russ:
from now.
Kiri:
well from the eclipse.
Russ:
year 10,000.
Kiri:
10,000 BC.
Russ:
BC, 10,000 BC was
before any known civilization
was upon this planet.
Skip:
not anymore.
Kiri:
uh-uh, Skip’s
quite correct.
Skip:
not anymore.
Kiri:
they now have proof
that there was a civilization
in Egypt that was developed, very
developed 10,000 years ago.
Russ:
I hadn’t heard of that yet.
Skip:
didn’t they just find…..oh mercy…..I got
to stop and think,
didn’t
they just find a petrified
person that is 50,000 years
old at right at the present
and this was just
discovered less than a month
ago?
Kiri:
it is very possible that they
have discovered another one.
There was the famous gentlemen
discovered in the Alps that
was estimated to be 8,000 and
had a very extensive herbal
knowledge.
Russ:
hmmm.
Skip:
hmmm.
Kiri:
but that was quite a few years
ago.
Russ:
50,000, that puts it……
Skip:
that puts it way back there.
Russ:
so that puts it back at
Atlantis.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
pretty close to it, yeah.
Russ:
which would be…..that wouldn't
be an Atlantian, that would be
an
indigenous species of
the planet at that point.
Skip:
yeah because that wasn’t
discovered on the coast, any
of the coasts, it was
discovered inland and
I
think if I’m not mistaken, it
was
discovered in North America in
Canada.
Russ:
well 50,000 years ago, North
America was much different
than it is now.
Skip:
well yeah.
Kiri:
there was a land bridge.
Skip:
there was no Atlantic.
Russ:
oh yeah there was.
Skip:
no there wasn’t.
Russ:
10,000 years ago? Sure there
was.
Skip:
it was part of Europe.
Russ:
no it wasn’t Pangaea, Pangaea
broke up 50 million years ago.
Skip:
okay.
Kiri:
oh a lot longer ago than that.
Skip:
okay.
Kiri:
okay,
let us see what mischief we
can create. Okay, spirituality,
where
were we last time we talked? We
were dealing with the
spiritual side of guides
and the development of the
gentle prodding,
the gentle directional control.
The slow, gentle
guiding
hence the term
guides,
ability of a
guide.
Okay,
now
having talked to my
grandmother and she again is
very hesitant and reticent to
give us any definite yes or no's
because of the nature of her
monastic life and
the nature of the business
that she’s in or as she put
it, the nature of the beast,
there are certain things that
she obviously would not
disclose to us.
(Kiri
and Karra's grandmother is a
nun high up in the mountains
of Sirius and communicates
with guides and those on
the other
side as
needed)
Kiri:
but
guides
seem to serve more than just
coaxing and pointing and
advising and prodding for
action or a particular pathway,
there
is almost a symbiotic
relationship between the host
or the guidee from
the guide. But yes, one does
need the other, it is a mutual
symbiotic relationship that
both have. Certainly there are
times where a guide will gain
as much knowledge and
experience from
one individual and move on to
another or where an individual
no longer is cooperative
or manipulative to
the actions of a
guide. There has to be a
certain amount of
similarity and personal
behaviors between the guide
and the guidee.
This is because if you have
two totally, radically,
different personalities, they
cannot work together for a
mutual beneficial advancement.
So that a
guide that is temporally there
as an antagonistic influence
is there purely to push
somebody in an
opposite direction at the
request of another guide so
that the antagonistic nature
forces the person to go in the
direction that the guide that
is more permanent wishes that
individual to go by using the
antagonistic attitude of a
guide that has a more opposite
attitude and persona than
the person being guided. I can
see that's opened
up a can of worms.
Skip:
yeah.
Kiri:
okay…..
Russ:
is signs of guiding others in
our physical world a sign that
we’ll be a good guide or a
guide in our afterlife?
Kiri:
not necessarily, not
necessarily. Sometimes guides
are purely working with just
the living, that is all they
are interested in, that is all
that they need to learn. There
are guides that as you
progress and become older are
more both. So it really
depends on the individual.
There
are incidences where guides
will hand over at the point of
departure from one group of
guides to another group of
guides but a majority of it is
as you progress later into
life you have guides that are
there for the crossover, for
the departure.
Russ:
I don’t think I got that
question right, maybe reword
it maybe. If for example I
like working with someone in
like a school kid or something
for example……
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
I want to help them out to
learn how to become a better
adult and so on and so forth or
I go to retirement homes and
help out the elderly
and maybe teach them various
skills like computers or
something like that,
is
this a sign that when I die, I
would naturally progress
toward being a guide for
someone who is living?
Kiri:
not necessarily, not
necessarily. You could be
setting yourself up for
that certainly but there again
you could also
be equally be giving a gift of
knowledge.
Russ:
like the pilot part that we
were discussing.
Kiri:
uh-huh but actually doing it
physically.
Russ:
hmm.
Kiri:
whilst
being able to do it more
strongly than if you were
in a guiding capacity.
Russ:
I
see.
Kiri:
oh I got to
watch both of those,
the
one
about the World
War II pilot and…..
('A
Guy Named Joe')
Russ:
oh, oh, oh, 'Always'
and
the whatever one
Mark was talking about….
Kiri:
yeah I got to watch both of
them.
Russ:
how did you like 'Always'?
Kiri:
it was okay, I like the one a
little better.
Russ:
really?
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
hmm, I haven’t seen of other
one so I can't tell you.
Kiri:
it has more meaning, it’s more
out to save a
life.
Russ:
oh, I really like Richard
Dreyfuss so....
Kiri:
uh-huh, I thought he was funny
but it’s a little bit
confusing in spots how they
portray the guide
of a guide.
Russ:
oh you mean....yeah
what's that lady’s
name where?....yeah
right, I got it.
Kiri:
uh-huh, the time, it
gives a distortion of
time.
Russ:
right.
Russ:
and as such we don’t really
have much of that concept to
look back on our history like
when we talk about the
pyramids being built at an
earlier age and
such....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ:
we have no way how
to really grasp how
many tens of thousands of
years have passed since even
the earliest known parts of
Egypt.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
yeah.
Russ:
even
the pharaohs,
the pharaohs whole
time
period, incomprehensible
for us to really even grasp
much less you even
try to shoot for
the dinosaurs.
Kiri:
yeah.
Skip:
well what do
they figure, 5,000 years? For
the Pharaohs?
Russ:
yeah.
Skip:
some 5,000 years?
Russ:
right.
For
me, I can’t think that far
back but yet
here were talking about
instances in civilizations
rising up 10,000 years ago
which is twice
that.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
I can’t grasp that kind of
time span.
Kiri:
well the thing is that when
you don’t have the long life
expectancy, yeah a hundred
years is a long time,
a
1,000 years is a hell of a
long time. For
us, that's like 10,000 years.
To
look back on a race that is
10,000 years old, that is a
long time for us. A 1,000
years, the average life
expectancy is somewhere
between 850 to 900 years,
that’s a long time for you,
for
us, it’s a lifetime.
Skip:
yeah, for us it’s
incomprehensible.
Russ:
yeah, we can’t think that far.
Skip:
we can’t think that far
because we’re talking about
our lifespan is one
tenth of that amount.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
we're like candles burning
brightly.
Skip:
and they go out quicker.
Russ:
and they go out quicker.
Kiri:
which yeah brings us back to
the Sirian problem of the
dwelling, the thinking because
we do have the time and to us
time is a concept of, "well,
we've got between
850 to 900 years, no hurry, why
hurry?" And
that takes that in itself is a
problem whereas for you the
other problem is that you
don’t have enough time to achieve
everything.
Skip:
we're
racing around to get it done.
Kiri:
uh-huh, which is something
that happens to us later in
life when we realize that time
is starting to run short. Yeah,
by
being a race that is known
for its dwelling and
contemplating, it’s certainly
been a problem for us. It’s
something that until I think
we as a race
address that problem, we won’t
progress higher. That for us is
our learning lesson in the
sixth dimension whereas yours
is learning to be spiritually
active in a
third dimension,
the
sixth dimension is definitely
learning to realize that there
is a time where you do have to
hurry and a time where you
don’t have to hurry
or
it is a matter of finding that
equal balance whereas for you,
you don’t have that 850,
900 years leeway time,
you
have at most maybe a 100, a
110 years.
Russ:
that’s what I like about these
channeling sessions, is that
we're both helping each other
grasp
those
concepts because we're in so much
interaction we're
working
with here
plus our
twin soul mind linkup that
we have of course helps us
immensely.
Kiri:
oh immensely
yes but for us our
guides are just as aware of
the time difference and
the dwelling difference.
For
us they are of
a much higher frequency
than are for you. So that the
development is very different
for our
guides as opposed to your
guides.
Russ:
hmm.
Kiri:
now if you take somebody that
lives in the now, in the
moment, take for example Sarah.
She lived very much once
she was free and realized what
was going on, she lived in the
now. She knew there was the
possibility of
no tomorrow and
the past had been
so radically altered and
changed for her, that it was
very difficult for her to look
to the future so she lived in
the now. One of the problems
that if you look at people of
great age in our planet and on
your planet, let me take a
couple steps backwards here
for a second. First of all, a
new child or a child lives in
the tomorrow, always in the
tomorrow. There is no past for
a child, everything that has
happened in the past is
hearsay for that child so it
lives in the now and
the tomorrow. As you
get older, there is a past so
you draw a little bit in
the past of the good old days
or, "remember when we were
younger, remember this?" But you
also live in the now and
the future because tomorrow
you have to get up and go to
work and take care of the necessary
needs for tomorrow. But as you
get progressively older, it
becomes more of the past than
the future and the now until
finally and especially if you
have a life expectancy of a
race such as ours,
you dwell a lot in
the past. If you take somebody
such as our sleeping tree, (Treebeard) he lives a lot
in the past but still has the
one important thing that keeps
him going of the quest for
knowledge.
Skip:
uh-huh.
Kiri:
I mean there is more of
yesterday for him then there
is of tomorrow.
Skip:
I think that same thing holds
true with our 3-D existence.
Kiri:
oh yes, very much so, I……
SIDE
ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(Kiri
starts side two by picking
up from side one where she
left off)
Skip:
........just,
I
hit what we
call a stagnant
point.
Kiri:
uh-huh, it is something that
is very common in any species
that has a mortality factor
that when you reach the point
of that you no longer desire
to learn, you no longer desire
to proceed with tomorrow,
then
it is certainly the start of the
time to depart. As
long as you keep looking to
tomorrow and the now,
certainly dwelling
in the past is good because
from the past,
what do you
learn?
Skip:
the
experience…..
Kiri:
keeps you alive.
Skip:
yeah.
Kiri:
you know that if you go
outside after showering on a
cold winter's day,
you’re going to get sick, you
may even die on
a really cold day.
Skip:
I have a question darling.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
a person that has passed their
halfway point
in
their particular existence….
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
if
they continue to teach, they're
also learning correct?
Kiri:
that’s correct.
Skip:
and
by doing that, they're
prolonging their own existence.
Kiri:
uh-huh. Now Skip,
here’s a question, do you
think you’ve passed
your halfway
point?
Skip:
yeah I'd say so.
Kiri:
maybe
you haven’t, maybe you're
going to live to
be a 130.
Skip:
well it’s not likely but it’s
possible.
Kiri:
it’s possible, it’s possible,
you
don’t know.
Skip:
no I don't.
Kiri: you
could defy all the odds and
live to be a 130.
Skip:
oh yeah.
Russ:
medical science comes around
and gives you a new cure to
extend your lifetime.
Skip:
rejuvenate me. (laughs)
Kiri:
exactly, exactly. You honestly
can’t say that you've have
passed the
halfway point.
Skip:
well in our current existence
and current beliefs and
current scientific
revelations, yes I have passed
my halfway point.
Kiri:
no, you may have, you may
have. You may actually live to
be 130.
Skip:
well like I say, it’s possible
Kiri:
it’s possible so you don’t
really know.
Skip:
no I don’t know, there’s no
way of me
knowing.
Kiri:
exactly.
Skip:
but I consider myself past
halfway okay?
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
that doesn’t mean I’m going to
kick off tomorrow, I don’t
mean it that way.
Kiri:
no but you can always keep on
telling yourself, “maybe I am
going to live
to be 130.”
Skip:
well I figure
about 130.
Kiri:
think of the wonderful
things
that you could
see, think of the wonderful
things that you could teach,
think of the experiences.
Skip:
well darling, actually
I never thought I'd
make it to 30 let alone 130.
Kiri:
well there you go, you see?
Okay but what I’m…..
Skip:
yeah I understand.
Kiri:
is that we really don’t know.
I mean you could
honestly live to be 130 or 140
so therefore you cannot say
that you’ve passed
your halfway point.
Skip:
well
even at 130, I’ve got to the
halfway point.
Kiri:
uh-huh,
not quite.
Skip:
well
right…..
Kiri:
yeah just over.
Skip:
yeah, just...
Kiri: okay,
140.
You don't know, you
don't
know.
Skip:
you keep stretching it out
there baby.
Kiri:
you really don’t know.
Skip:
no I don’t know, no nobody
does.
Kiri:
maybe you have enough Sirian
blood to make it to 850?
Wouldn't that be a shock?
(from
a life with Kiri prior to this
one)
Russ:
well now here’s a concept, the
fact that we do die and
reborn and die and
reborn, we really are immortal
so time difference as far as
that goes is something we have
to take into the fact that
well this is merely our
current period of awareness but
we’ve
got more current periods of
awareness ahead of us forever
and ever and ever.
Kiri:
yes exactly but
the thing is that the
condition of the third
dimension is you don’t
remember the past.
Skip:
that’s it exactly, see
we have no concept of what
happened in our past.
Kiri:
occasionally you see glimpses
in
dreams or emotions and
thoughts and so on.
Skip:
right but we can’t continue.
Kiri:
no.
Skip:
in other words, when we lay
aside this body or existence or
whatever, this
lifetime and go to the next
one, we can’t continue
experience wise into the next
life.
Kiri:
no you can’t.
Skip:
we can’t take it with us.
Kiri:
no unfortunately.
Skip:
our knowledge, our experience,
our education. We
do take parts of it, don’t
misunderstand me.....
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
it’s just like we talked about
this before a couple years ago
I believe.....
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
where did I get my mechanical
ability?
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
my dad couldn’t…didn't
know one end of a
screwdriver or hammer from the other.
My mother was not
a mechanic,
she was a farmer.
Kiri:
uh-huh, no short term memory
loss there is
there?
Skip:
yeah, where did I get my
mechanical ability to walk
into any situation, take it
apart, repair it, put it back
together and make it work?
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
well
the point is our memories are
locked inside of us.
Skip:
well true but you still can’t
call them up.
Russ:
but I wonder if somehow,
someday we'll be
able to figure out a way to do
so to where
you’re born, you get to a
certain age and suddenly they
put you in a machine, the machine
reawakens all your memories from
your past and suddenly
you’ve got all this experience
and you go on to the next part
like the Dalai Lama.
Skip:
the only way that I could
foresee that becoming into an
existence would be to record
your memories from your
particular body before you schuck
it off.
Russ:
yeah but how do you get them
back once you come forward?
Skip:
well they’d have to be
recorded and this has
been science fiction
for many years about recording
a person’s memories and
experiences and replacing them
in that person when they come
into existence again but
you would have to know where
that person is going to go in
their next existence.
Russ:
right that’s the trick.
Kiri:
uh-huh, that's the
trick.
Skip:
that’s their trick.
Russ:
thus
the Dalai Lama like I mentioning,
that’s how they do it.
Skip:
yeah.
Russ:
they find, they have all these
tests to find where that
person…
Skip:
has gone to.
Russ:
incarnates into in his next
life and then that person is
given a certain amount of or
given certain rituals that he
goes through to reawaken those
memories and then
he remembers all those other
past lives as Dalai Lamas to
aid him in this life now.
Skip:
yeah.
Kiri:
okay.
Skip:
thank you sweetheart.
Kiri:
no problem, I’ll be back.
Don’t
forget, I’ve got the tight
shorts on and the waistcoat
and the whip and the tall hat.
Russ:
good.
(Leonedies
follows his mom as the
next speaker)
Leonedies: greetings and
felicitations and welcome.
Okay, we’re
getting down to business and
we’re starting discussions and
looking at personnel possibly
happening soon for the
upcoming discussions leading
to the conferences. I am
making myself available at
this time again to be able to
answer questions in a way that
will facilitate a beginning to
the discussions necessary for
the lead up to the
conferences. Okay, let me
answer questions.
Russ:
okay, the gentleman who will
be coming and
representing Sirius for these
conferences has been narrowed
down to I believe it's three
candidates?
Leonedies: four.
Russ:
four candidates.
Leonedies: first of all, may I
correct you in saying
gentleman is an incorrect
assumption.
Russ:
oh correct.
Leonedies: it could be either.
Russ:
my mistake. And the parameters
that you are currently looking
for is someone who could have
an unbiased view of our planet
and its history and the people
upon it correct?
Leonedies: correct.
Russ:
okay.
Leonedies: or rather having
the knowledge of your planet’s
history would be detrimental
for the individual that we're
looking at.
Russ:
okay.
Skip:
can I ask a question?
Russ:
sure.
Skip: have
you came up with any
candidates from this planet
yet?
Leonedies: that is something
that you would have to discuss
amongst yourselves and search
amongst yourselves. I believe
you're
looking for a group of
individuals approximately
anywhere from 4 to 8
individuals, is that correct?
Russ:
correct.
Leah:
okay, those individuals I
believe will make themselves
possible candidates or
individuals will make
themselves available as
possible candidates that will
be agreed upon by everybody
else that is involved in
the discussions being from
your planet, not from other
species.
Russ:
right, the other channels for
the species.
Skip:
oh, oh, oh, I see what you’re
saying okay. In other words,
we have to get in contact with
these other people......
Russ:
that’s what we’re doing
currently right.
Skip:
and start fathoming
this thing out.
Russ:
but what he’s discussing now
is the candidate from Sirius
who will be representing
Sirius in these discussions.
Leonedies: a person that might
be beneficial for your planet
that has a linguistic skill
and capable of aiding in this
may be was the young lady
present last week.
Russ:
hmm, I hadn’t thought of that.
Skip:
hmmm.
Leonedies: there is one
representative from your
planet, now to
find others.
Skip:
oh yeah.
Russ:
not an easy
calling.
Skip:
that’s not a……..
Russ:
okay now, are there questions
you’d like to ask us to assist
in your choosing?
Leonedies: we
have all the information that
we have gathered necessary for
our decision, the only
question that I would have
that would be worth asking is
that a strong linguistic
capability and
not just one language would be
beneficial correct? Or the
ability to learn many
languages would be beneficial?
Russ:
correct but strong in
English would be the best bet
so primary English, secondary
and
trinary
something else.
Leonedies: okay now what form
of English would this be?
Russ:
this would be standard, I
would say American English due
to the…..
Skip:
I would say American slang
English, yeah.
Russ:
it’s been the most common
throughout our
planet right now as far as its
use and availability to all
the inhabitants
of the planet and the
Internet.
Leonedies: okay that is the
only question that will
serve any function that I
would ask.
Russ:
so really our
questions wouldn't have any
effect whatsoever upon
your decision so….
Leonedies: not at this time.
Russ:
I’m not really quite sure of
what I would ask anyway.
Leah:
I am available to answer
questions in regards to the
setup and
upcoming discussions.
Russ:
okay, excellent. We’re
discussing currently a slight
hitch we’ve run into as
far as our medium for
exchanging information among
the inhabitants of our planet.
The current mode of transfer
of that information was an
Internet site called Spirit
Web.....
Leonedies: I am aware.
Russ:
which has now changed their
format to make it much more
obnoxious and….
Leonedies: obnoxious is an
incorrect use of…..
Skip:
irritating, irritating.
Leonedies: irritating is
acceptable. Obnoxious
is a reference to a gaseous
substance that smells.
Skip:
it’s just irritating that’s
all.
Russ:
as such, a idea on how we
could bring about a change in
this would be of course
voicing our opinion, anything
on your end?
Leonedies: that is something I
cannot get in involved with but it
is something that needs to be
rectified and remedied.
Another option is something
that my mother
says QCI?
Russ:
ICQ.
Leonedies: something like
that.
Russ:
yeah,
instant message. Hmmm…well ICQ
chat? That might work. It’s
similar to Spirit
Web
except it’s in a chat
frequency allowing only
certain numbers of people in
that are allowed in. So
therefore all channels could
be brought in and chat among
ICQ chat, the
conversations could
then be distributed from that
point because all that text
would be saved to archive.
Leonedies: that is correct.
Russ:
that’s a possibility I hadn’t
thought of.
Skip:
uh-huh.
Russ:
you can put lovely
letters in there too and nice
colors and everything.
Okay thank you, that’s a good…
Leonedies: I believe a
different color for each
species but each species will
select its own different color
and
particular time
once conversations start commencing
for the preparation for
the conferences.
Skip:
one question Daniel….
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Skip:
have you selected a site where
these conferences are
going to be taking
place?
Leonedies: we were hoping a
discussion through your
Internet forum.
Russ:
we're hoping Spirit
Web.
Skip:
okay.
Russ:
okay and so in the meantime.......but
here’s the other point is
that’s one idea and the ICQ
chat and then distribute it on
Spirit
Web
is another.
Skip:
is this eventually going
to come down to
face-to-face people in a
conference area or is this
always going to continue
by.....
Leonedies:
the
Internet medium
or a communication,
electronic medium?
Skip:
yeah.
Leonedies:
eventually it would be
ideal
if all species were
face-to-face but
that is something that, using
the Sirian
problem, is not a immediate
problem. It
is something that will take
place at the appropriate time.
The
appropriate time is an
indeterminate time at this
point. When all races feel
equally comfortable and do not
have a problem with
the appearances of
other races.
There
are
certain races that have
a problem where
the other race appears
repulsive to another race, then
that would be the time to meet
face-to-face but in the
meantime we have to use a
faceless communication
method through
your medium of the Internet.
Ideally it would be suitable
and ideal to speed up the
process would be to have it
face-to-face but unfortunately
because of certain natures and
personalities and functions
and appearances and beliefs, that
cannot happen at the moment.
There are a
few races that do have
problems with the appearance
of other races so that in
itself is a problem that will
be eventually addressed and
remedied.
Skip:
in other words what you don’t
understand you fear.
Leonedies: exactly.
Skip:
I can't believe
that.
Leonedies:
it
seems to be a problem of the
third dimensional species
overall, not just the human
species but all species that
has that same root cause.
Skip:
yeah I can believe
that, I can see that, I can
understand.
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Okay
more
questions?
Skip:
no, not for me.
Russ:
nor me.
Leonedies: okay thank you.
Skip:
thank you.
Russ:
thank you Daniel.
Leonedies: and oh, Leonedies or
Daniel works either
way. For
your
web reference, it is best to
be Daniel.
Russ:
right,
that's what I
figured we're
using for the
tape here.
Leonedies: okay.
Skip:
yeah right, thank you.
(Kiri transitions from
her son to her sister)
Skip:
excuse me, I’m sorry.
Kiri:
that’s quite alright.
Russ:
hi.
Kiri:
I give
you away, ishue,
it’s a Sirian
word. It means the same thing
basically, ishue.
Actually it’s a highland
word. I wish I could get him
to slow down.
Skip:
well he’s doing fine, he’ll
slow down. Darling, he’s got to
learn.
Kiri:
uh-huh, he’s got to learn
but…..
Russ:
he’s not dwelling very
hard.
Skip:
just let him go
he’s doing just fine. As long
as we can understand him
that’s all that’s necessary.
Kiri:
that’s true but it’s actually
funny to hear him talk in
Sirian with other super
operants, they do talk very,
very fast.
Skip:
well....
Kiri:
very, very fast.
Skip:
as long as we can understand him,
that’s all that’s necessary.
Kiri:
or occasionally they don’t
even talk vocally and they
will talk on the declam mode
which is where everybody can
hear and they will
talk very fast and you will
get what would take us on the
declamatory mode five minutes
to say, they will
say it in one of two
seconds.
Skip:
yeah.
Kiri:
and if we’re
talking let’s say that
vocally, in the five minutes
that we talk,
that’s more like a 20 minute
conversation.
Skip:
uh-huh.
Kiri:
so
that
gives you an idea of the speed
that they think and talk at.
And they have their own
communication and they will
deliberately talk very fast so
that we can’t pick it
up on the declam mode.
Skip:
uh-huh.
Kiri:
okay, I better put on the…
Russ:
the illustrious and wonderful…..
Kiri:
the pompous one and I can get
away with saying that. Oh
pompous one, oh ambassador
one, oh gifted one.
Russ:
oh special….
Skip:
huh?
Russ:
special.
Kiri:
special my right tit.
(everyone
laughs)
(Karra starts
off with a sisterly
compliment)
Karra:
and
a very pretty right
tit
that
is too, hello.
Skip:
hello.
Russ:
hello my love.
Skip:
how are you doing darling?
Karra:
I’m doing pretty good.
Skip:
good.
Russ:
the cheering squad over here.
Karra:
sisters rivalry, it is worse
than
you and Mark sometimes.
Russ:
oh I can imagine. I can’t see
it for being
as
worst than ours
but I can imagine.
Karra:
oh I don’t know. There are
things that go on between my
little sister and myself that
you could not
believe.
Russ:
it’s kind of funny.
Karra:
it is like our fiscal rivalry,
I can’t touch her.
Russ:
right and she makes a deal out
of that I'm sure every
once in a while.
Karra:
not vocally
but sometimes visually. For
example, buying a brand new
set of custom-made skis that
even though I enjoy skiing
tremendously, I would not
consider paying the quantity
of favors that my little
sister paid. That
would be exorbitant and she
does not even
flinch or bat
an eyelid.
Or how expensive
her clothing is or how
expensive her gifts are.
To
me that is something that
makes me wince but she does
not flinch and it
doesn’t seem to affect her in
her trade good capacity, she
always ends up with more.
However I do have more land
and property…
Russ:
and more charm, skill,
beauty…..
Karra:
careful, don't forget he
will will hear this
recording and he would beg to
differ which is acceptable. Okay,
let us get down to more
serious nature and get
away from the humorous,
frivolous side. How much time
do we have hon?
Russ:
sweetheart, we have got
currently 25 minutes.
Karra:
okay. Okay
let us start discussing
things. The idea of bringing
Leonedies in...Daniel in was
that it is needed to
keep the discussions going.
Yes I was a little optimistic
on the date for setting
everything up, maybe other
individuals that are receptive
that do not have a sympathy
one way or the
other way but has
the
best interest of
your species. It would be
necessary to set up a kind of
questionnaire but it would
have to be one that would be
acceptable to
all species involved within
the discussions. Let us get
this out of the way first
before we go into more joyous
matters.
Skip:
darling question.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip:
you're saying setting this up
and picking and choosing or
recommending whichever…who
are you having in mind to form
this particular committee to
choose and pick the people or
candidates for this?
Karra:
we don’t have anybody in mind
because we’re trying to
minimize our influence with
your species as much as
possible so that you decide
yourselves. We cannot tell you
who the ideal people are.
Skip:
okay that’s fine but I
understand that you can’t
infer your influence, I
understand that but we're only
two or three individuals in
a whole planet.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip:
for some reason or another,
the concept of doing this is
getting away from
me or it’s out of my
comprehension.
Karra:
I see the problem that you’re
having is that you're
trying to figure out
how is it going to be set up
with your species.
Skip:
yeah, correct.
Karra:
okay, what is being looked at
and is hoped is that people
that are at a
spiritual point in their life
that know that
there is another level are
the ones that are
candidates for the discussions
to be involved for the re-birthing
of your species on a higher
level, on the sixth dimension
which is something that will
happen naturally at the end of
an individual's cycle when
they're ready. The
best way to describe it is
that when an
individual departs and they
are being reborn and they are
ready for the sixth
dimensional life, they will be
reborn on the sixth dimension
or they will be held until
there is enough individuals,
this is up to them,
I’m speculating I must add
that....there will be enough
individuals available to have
a healthy community on the
sixth dimensional earth.
Skip:
okay but I understand where
you’re coming from but to get
back to this.
What
I see happening is probably
more than a
million candidates to come
into this particular realm of
being chosen, picked,
qualified or whatever to be the spokesman
for our planet.
You understand where I’m
coming from?
Karra:
oh I understand and I
understand the concerns that
you’re having that such a
small group, having so much
power and influence…
Skip:
no, no, no, I’m not
worried about the group,
what
comes down
to the....what
did
we figure, 4 to 8 people being
chosen as representatives of
our planet?
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip;
what’s bothering me is who or
how the peoples of our planet
are going to sort out them 4
to 8 people to represent us.
Karra:
I think it’s more of a matter
of holding back those that
aren't suited because I
believe there’s going to be a
lot of people that will want
the job that have their own
personal interests…..
Skip:
yeah I understand that too.
Karra:
and their own personal
agendas. To use a
quote and I don’t
know where it comes from, "the
person least, the person best
suited for the position is
somebody that actually doesn’t
want it but will take it on
upon themselves and do the
best that they can." Those are
the candidates that actually
are more suited than those
that want it. Those that want
it
are actually the least suited.
Skip:
they’ve got ulterior motives.
Karra:
correct.
Russ:
well Skip,
your number of a
million is fairly optimistic.
If we were to take and put the
questionnaire
here that Karra mentions into
Spirit
Web
and to ask
everybody who’s on Spirit
Web
and most of those folks are along
the same lines we are to go
ahead and put in the question,
fill out the questionnaire and
send it back to us so that
all the races can
review that person, at best you'll
get a 100 questionnaires
returned.
Skip:
no that’s not what was
bothering me Russ. We're
only looking at
one facet of this, just one
facet and you’re looking at a
20 carat
diamond that’s got so many
facets it’s ridiculous.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip:
because you’re talking about a
whole world, you're
not talking about just one
area.
Karra:
you’re talking about the whole
planet.
Russ:
well
we can’t really involve the
whole planet because we can
get that much information
access to the whole planet.
Skip:
yeah we do.
Russ:
to everybody on the planet?
Skip:
to the people that are
spiritually aware, yes all
over the world.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip:
even though we're connected
with Spirit Web
and
the Internet, how many people
are we connected with in the Spirit
Web
and I know that I would say
probably 50% of them are not
spiritually aware, they're
just in there to bullshit,
excuse my French.
Karra:
oh…
Russ:
excused, no problem.
Skip:
okay, so they have no concept
of what we're talking about,
they’re just in there to rap
their jaws at everybody else.
Karra:
uh-huh and Skip is quite
correct but I would say that
the other 50% are the ones
that go to other spiritual
chat places, other spiritual
chat rooms and maybe they
contact 50% of the
other chat rooms. And I would
actually drop it down to 40% are
spiritually aware and active
but those 40% contact 40%
elsewhere and 40% elsewhere,
it’s like one person telling
ten.
Skip:
because you’re asking an
awful lot of a person.
Karra:
oh yes.
Skip: I mean this is a hell
of a big challenge for
anybody.
Karra:
oh it is, it is a very much
a very big challenge but the
benefits that will come are
so incredible. The
best way to describe it is
you're betting everything
that you have on a horse to
win.
Skip: yeah but it’s pretty
hard to put your faith into
one
person to represent the
whole planet when you
can't even put your faith in
a
person to represent your
country.
Karra:
I know, I watched that with
interest and
Russ and myself had
some interesting
discussions.
Skip: you know that’s a
tough one.
Karra:
uh-huh, well that’s why we
think that a committee or
not a committee
but a group of individuals
between 4
and 8 is
ideally suited because there
would be enough
conflicts between
them to…
Skip: to keep each other
honest.
Karra:
correct which
is very, very
important.
Skip: yes they have to.
Karra:
it is even better if they
are antagonistic to each
other because if they agree
on one thing, that is good
because that one thing is
important then. If they
fight and
fight over
different things and agree
on one item, then that is
the important item.
Skip: that’s scary, it’s
scary.
Karra:
oh it is. The way that it
looks like it's
setting up is that the
conflict within the group representing
your
planet is very necessary to
be able to form a united
front and to have an
interest of
your species.
skip: rather than somebody's
own personal
interest.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Russ: clarification please,
now we have a 4 to 8 person
committee that you are
talking about and we have
channels for the
representatives for
the various species correct?
So we're talking about a
total of perhaps 16 people?
Karra:
uh-huh.
Russ: roughly 12 to 16
people?
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: that we're talking
about. Now the channels
themselves, we're not going
to have a lot of leeway on
who we can get since the
species themselves really
only channel through........well
they could channel through
anybody but unfortunately
only a few people on the
planet are actually
channeling and….
Skip: have that talent yeah.
Russ: accessing themselves
on the Internet and make the
information available for
people to track down like
myself.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: so, my suggestion is
we set up a separate webpage
designed to attract those
people who we can then work
through, we explain the
conference, like a whole
conference webpage separate
from the Hades Base
News.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Russ: that is based on what
we're looking for or what is
needed for the conference I
should say and people to
respond with their ideas,
their applications let’s
say, their resumes,
spiritual resumes, I’m just
making this up as I go and
go looking for channels to
represent the species.
Karra:
let me say that we will be
getting a visitation again
from Monka and
various other high officials
in Ashtar
Command
that will make themselves
available. They will not
tell you anything, you will
ask them and
they will answer
the questions in a way that
well
I'm not too sure what their
way is but we're expecting
them sometime in the first
quarter of next year.
Russ: okay.
Karra:
okay, any more questions for
me?
Russ:
no, I’m set.
Karra:
I need
to go
and deal
with.........
Russ:
that’s got my head going now
anyways so.
Skip:
that’s why I was rapping
as much
as I was because it's just very.....
Karra:
well any questions or comments
that you have are greatly
appreciated.
Russ:
well
it's a good little line
we're
going off on now that we
really needed to
go on that I
hadn't really thought
of until we
brought it up so.
Karra:
voice any concerns that you
have Skip.
Russ:
absolutely.
Karra:
okay, I’m off, I need to go
and deal with something.
Skip:
okay.
Russ:
okay, have
fun dear.
Skip;
thank you.
Karra:
oh yeah.
Russ:
who’s next?
Karra:
I'm
putting my little
sister back
on.
Russ:
okay.
Skip:
okay.
Russ:
bye love.
(Kiri closes out
the session with
a few last
details)
Kiri:
you did a number on her there,
didn’t you Russ?
Skip:
what?
Russ:
I didn’t mean to darling.
Kiri:
her headlights came on and
everything.
Russ:
ahh well, a little fun and
frivolity this evening.
Kiri:
hey, she had a full blush
going.
(everyone
laughs)
Kiri:
okay….
Russ:
all right.
Kiri:
now, questions, answers. Okay
we’ve got what, five
minutes left?
Russ:
four minutes.
Kiri:
four minutes left.
Russ:
okay, well we worked on the
separate webpage, got any
ideas for me sweetheart?
Kiri:
me?
Hell no.
Russ:
oh come on, yes you do and
you're just hiding them.
Kiri:
I’m just 'Miss
Rich
Bitch'.
Russ:
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Come on 'Miss
Wonderful
Ideas'
you, what do we
got
that
we can play with here
on this webpages that
will help this
conference get off the ground?
Skip:
yeah because we need
to start putting it
together.
Russ:
we need to start getting
putting it together fast.
Kiri:
okay semicircular table with a
selection of flags very much
like your United Nations.
Russ:
hmm, I like it.
Skip:
what?
Russ:
like the United Nations flags
the table with flags around it
and just make a
different flag for each
species.
Kiri:
the flags are
blank until the species submit
their
flags.
Skip:
hey that works.
Russ:
you guys got
a flag you want to submit? Hey
I already know one, what am
I talking about, the
Ashtar Command
symbol. Does that work for
Sirius?
Kiri:
no.
Russ:
oh, nevermind. Does Sirius
have flag?
Kiri:
yes, kind of,
it’s
the
binary system on a…..you
don’t even have that color.
(we
laugh)
Russ:
well that could be a little
challenging.
Skip:
yeah that is going to be a
challenge darling.
Russ:
Karra is not giving me nothing
I can work with.
Kiri:
no and I can’t because we
don’t……..you don’t have that
color. I could come up with
something that would work but
again that would have to be
dealt with with the
representative from Sirius.
Russ:
well yeah, there you go, let’s
have him decide.
Kiri:
him?
Russ:
her, whatever.
Kiri:
do what we do, the
representative. Gender is not
applicable.
Russ:
okay. The rep.
Skip:
how about Mrs. ambassador?
Kiri:
Mrs. ambassador is unable to
do that because she is the
representative….
Skip:
oh no, I was is talking about
just the flag itself, nothing
else.
Kiri:
ask Mme. ambassador?
At
the moment I would say asking
her
any questions when she’s ohhhh.
Russ:
I can’t help it.
Kiri:
she can’t help it either and
there goes my toy selection
for the night.
Russ:
oh well.
Kiri:
anyway, where were we? Okay........
Russ:
flags dear.
Kiri:
next week’s schedule we
will have briefly, probably if
she feels up to it, 'Miss
Buff'
that wants to fight everybody
at the moment. (Lyka)
Russ:
oh cool.
Kiri:
hopefully we’ll
have Tia back
but maybe not but I wouldn’t
count on that as if it
remains quiet, Tia
has been invited to numerous
places on Sirius. All expenses
will be taking care of, the
Cubs are
invited.
Skip:
that’s neat.
Russ:
wow, VIP
treatment.
Skip:
that’s neat.
Kiri:
oh yeah, I have a feeling Omal
set that up.
Skip:
yeah, I’m sure he did.
Kiri:
at the moment, Tia
is camping on the beach with
the Cubs and Mark's down there
and if the back chat that I'm
getting that's going on
at the moment, they are feasting
on fish, freshly caught fish.
Russ:
excellent.
Skip:
good, great.
Russ:
sounds like an enjoyable time
and I look forward to it. I’ll
start working on webpage ideas
and got a report for you dear,
when do you want this dang
thing?
Kiri:
okay, next week.
Russ:
okay.
Skip:
Treebeard will be here next
week.
Kiri:
he’s here right now but he’s
sound asleep. I sent Alex to
put a blanket over him and get
a cushion. He is
out cold and there's a
rabbit on his chest so he’s
not going anywhere and then
there’s Piglet thumping
around in the bamboo
with I think if I get
it, his
girlfriend.
Skip:
all right darling.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Skip:
got a lot of information
tonight I do
think.
Russ:
so
we're going to
have
to....well wait a minute, what
kind of information? Well
we're going to have
to put in
the application.
Skip:
we'll
have to put together an
application.
Russ:
that’ll be a chore right
there. Do we have to
wait for the
representative from Sirius or do
we figure out one
ourselves?
Kiri:
start figuring out one
yourselves.
Russ:
yeah,
that's what we're going to
have to do.
Skip:
well
we'll have to figure
out one for ourselves
because we
can’t use Sirius' input, we have
to
do it for ourselves.
Kiri:
that's right.
Russ:
oh yeah
right.
Kiri:
anything that I say and
suggest you cannot use.
Skip:
that’s correct.
Kiri:
anything that Mme. ambassador, my
horny sister suggests.
Skip:
yeah
I felt asking about was the
flag that you
want to use as
your representation.
To representing Sirius, that's the
only thing I was asking about.
Russ:
I
thought Ashtar Command was
being represented not
Sirius? Or Ashtar
Command and Sirius?
Kiri:
that's correct.
Russ: so
we can do a flag
with the Ashtar Command's
symbol.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Russ:
I can do that, I've
already got that ready to
go.
Kiri:
I cannot give you any
information at this point
because immediately I do that,
I’m
influencing
things.
Skip:
that’s right see,
so each
race will have to submit their
own flag.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
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