THE BROTHERHOOD OF LIGHT 06/29/99
Archivist Notes: This channeling session
was during a pregnancy of Tia so Kiri filled in as
ring mistress, doing an excellent job of it during her
absence. This is a two part session with the special
guest speakers mentioned on the tape coming in next
month's podcast. Since she led things off, Kiri went
over some crucial questions to ask oneself before
using coercion. Omal came next and when the
conversation moved onto the Brotherhood of Light,
provided an elucidating discourse on their purpose.
Lyka provided the surprise of the night when
discussing her hip laser while Treebeard finished up
side one helping us understand devas better.
Treebeard started off side two with a
project to solidify our understanding of what it is
like to stand in the metaphorical shoes of a
deva. A very tired Karra commented on the 3rd
dimensional practice of the over-use of chemical
treatments for ills where they only mask the problem.
Kiri closes out the night with giving us some
additional parameters to work with on a project she
had assigned both Skip and myself.
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(Kiri gets busy as ring mistress.)
first of all, where were we? Let me see, what were we
talking about? Coercion right?
Kiri: okay, coercion and the necessary protocols to protect
oneself from getting into trouble. Okay, one of the
important things to remember and we harp on this many times
is what is the golden rule? Never for....
Russ: personal gain.
Kiri: right but there are exceptions which we have covered
in the past.
Kiri: one is if by using your skills let us say in a job
interview so that you get the job which is paying you more
money so that you can exist better and therefore support
those people necessary to you as well, then that is a good
use of coercion and you're using it it for personal gain. By
defining personal gain we can lay out a framework that gives
you an area that you can work in. For example, personal
gain, what is the definition of personal gain? Anything that
benefits yourself for yourself. So by using your coercive
skills in a job interview to get that job that you need,
it's not exactly benefiting just you is it?
Kiri: it can be looked at another way. Supposing that you
believe you are the best person for the job and the only
person you have to support is yourself. You already have a
current job but you're going for a better one. Now, is that
right or wrong?
Skip: I'd say it's right.
Kiri: okay first of all, let's see why Russ says it's wrong.
Russ: well due to the fact that you have the job you're in
Russ: by using coercion to get another one, you're actually
affecting your fate and your course of your life.
Russ: by using coercion do so.......
Russ: you're changing for the better but it's for personal
Kiri: Skip, why do you think that it's for good?
Skip: you mean why it's right?
Skip: because you're stepping yourself up in life which
means you can help other people more.
Kiri: Skip's closer to the truth. Okay, for example, let us
say that I go for a job as an engineer at a
facility......let's say that I'm a third dimensional being
and I have strong coercive ability and I go for a job
interview at an engineering plant that I want to work at
that's going to pay me better and I use my coercion to get
it. The way around it is by using your coercive
skills.....and the fact that I'm one of the best engineers
around, means that the company will benefit from use of my
skills as an engineer which means that it's not for personal
gain. You see?
Skip: in other words, you're helping them by helping
Kiri: that's correct. Now to define personal gain in more
detail is something that is beneficial to only you. For
example, let's say that I have the hots for a guy right?
Again I'm a third dimensional being and I use my coercive
skill to get the guy to sleep with me and to have sex with
Kiri: that's bad because I'm using my coercive skill at that
point for personal gratification.
Russ: like you'd ever need to.
Kiri: that's besides the point, that is besides the point,
only the listeners and readers don't know what I look like.
I mean for all's they know, I could weigh 300 pounds, be 5
Russ: well we described you excellently and we put a picture
of you in there.
Kiri: yes I know but I'm saying, some of the first time
readers might not know.
Kiri: but what I'm saying is that to use it for personal
gain....let's say I am trying to buy a car right? Don't know
why but I'm trying to buy a car. And I use my coercive
skills to get the best possible deal and in actual fact I
get the vehicle for cost. Again that is using my coercive
skills for a negative purpose. Or, I'm at a market and I'm
haggling over the price of some kind of vegetable matter
that I'm going to be eating. Again, that is negative, I am
using it for a negative purpose. So the rules of coercion
are very, very strict..
Kiri: and are laid out in such a way that it is very
important to be able to grow spiritually by learning what I
can and cannot do. Now there are some gray areas which I'm
not going to go into at this time but we will cover that at
a later time. Okay now, report time, Skip?
Skip: huh? I'm sorry, go ahead hon.
Kiri: okay, I want to hear your report.
Skip: oh about my verbal coercion?
Skip: well, I got my grandson to cut the lawn and water it.
Kiri: oh good, and is he doing it on a regular basis now?
Kiri: good, good, good.
Skip: no, I have to keep after him.
Kiri: ahh, so you have to keep on coercing him.
Kiri: okay, we'll give you half a point for that. Okay,
Russ: now there's a certain ethical question I've got.
Russ: about coercing people to give me more money.
Russ: and that becomes from the fact that I'm increasing my
Kiri: but that's not exclusively yours. What do you do with
the increase in the personal gain? What purpose does it
Russ: oh and the cats.
Kiri: and the cats and......
Skip: doesn't it pay for the utilities and stuff in the
Russ: and what?
Kiri: well what do you do with the money once you split it?
Russ: spend it.
Kiri: spend it, good and what does that do?
Russ: that buys me more stuff.
Kiri: which in turn does what?
Russ: well now let's clarify this. Personal gain is being
only to me?
Kiri: to you.
Russ: well nothing I make moneywise is only for me.
Skip: there you go.
Kiri: you see?
Russ: so another words, I can coerce for any reason to get
Skip: yeah as long as you are spending it to let others
support themselves by giving you the products.
Kiri: now what you do with the money depends on whether it
is good or bad that is a moral issue, that is not coercive
issue. If you use it to go out and buy alcohol and you live
in an alcoholic state of consciousness that's bad, that's a
moral question, that's a health question.
Skip: or gamble it away.
Kiri: or gamble it away, that is a moral and a health
question. If I'm playing cards and I'm bluffing a lot and I
use my coercion to win money, that's negative.
Russ: what if you're using it to feed your family?
Kiri: if I'm using it to feed a family, that becomes a gray
area. It depends on is there another way for me to make a
Skip: hmm. See you're smart enough you don't have to do
Russ: I don't do that.
Skip: and I don't do it.
Kiri: so you see that the moral issues and ground works are
something that are very important to coercion. Being able to
decide for yourself with a good, strong moral upbringing on
what is good and what is bad. I mean we've laid out a basic
framework to work within to add things on. A lot of the
lessons that you learn with coercion and especially the
lessons that I've set you up to learn teaches you what is
good and bad. You Russ have a moral question of that you
were only benefiting yourself. By analyzing it and looking
at it, what have we learned?
Russ: it's benefiting others.
Kiri: that's correct. And with Skip, we've learned the same
thing. We didn't touch on it as lightly but or as deeply, we
only touched upon it lightly. If you want Skip, we can go
into it in more detail.
Skip: no that's enough.
Kiri: okay. So it is very important to have a good laid out
groundwork for the coercive capability. Coercion in itself
is neither good or bad, it's what you do with the coercion
that makes it good or bad. As I said earlier, if I use it to
coerce somebody for my own personal gratitude, then that
becomes a negative purpose because I am manipulating
somebody's free will to serve myself and myself only. But if
I'm using it to create an income or to create goodwill or to
create an opportunity for others, that is good. If I use it
for self advancement that serves no purpose apart from
myself whether that is a new job interview or for a
transportation device or to get income so that I can go and
drink it away or gamble it away or sniff it away or smoke it
away then that is bad but that is a moral issue. It is
something that is necessary to be laid out and looked at is
the moral issues.
Russ: I see.
Kiri: I mean Tia with her strong moral upbringing is a very
good person to give a good example of moral coercion. To use
her morals which are very high and very strong is something
that is very, very important to lay out for yourself if
you're going to be a coercer. In coercing somebody, you have
to ask yourself the moral questions of, is it for personal
gain, will it benefit them, will it benefit others, will it
benefit myself, will they learn from it? These five
questions are just the start of the kind of questions that
you should ask yourself. But you should already know the
answers before you coerce. So the thing is to select a
representative that is going to be the person that will be
coerced but you're not going to actually coerce them because
what you're going to do is think, "if I'm going to coerce
them, do they meet these criteria?" And you have to lay down
your own rules and regulations and criteria for coercion.
The framework that we've given you is just a framework that
you build upon and trial and error will be best suited to
give you what works for you because not everybody is the
same in coercion. Some are weaker, some are stronger, some
have a different moral persuasion than others. So it is
something that is very necessary to lay out for
Kiri: within the frameworks that we've given. Of course we
will augment and change and improve upon the framework as we
look at how you progress with learning your coercive whether
it is vocal coercion or mental coercion.
Kiri: but you didn't answer the question Russ.
Russ: no, no success. I have plenty of ten hour blocks but
the people already have them. (At the internet café I ran.)
Russ: doesn't quite count.
Russ: now I did do some coercion last night.
Russ: which was separate from the test.
Russ: but was very effective.
Kiri: so I hear.
Russ: and that was something on my spare time for extra
Kiri: and that doesn't count in class unfortunately.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: it's not extracurricular activity. But, by using your
coercion in a classroom environment even though the
classroom happens to be at your shop, what are you learning?
You're using your coercion in your free time for getting
what is necessary to be done.
Kiri: whether it is successful in the classroom is a moot
point because now you're using it on areas that are needed.
Russ: correct. Which is good.
Kiri: uh-huh. But that doesn't count toward the points.
Russ: ahh well.
Kiri: okay Skip gets half a point, you get no points.
Russ: I should at least get a semi-good point. Kind of like
a star or something, a gold star, a no point gold star.
Kiri: what's with these gold stars?
Russ: you never went to kindergarten down here so you're not
familiar with them but if you go kindergarten and get like a
good score on a test or do something good, they give you a
gold star. It depends on your you know elementary school.
Russ: for small ones.
Kiri: ahh, no we don't do that. We know if we've done good
or bad or if we've learned or we have not learned. Okay, now
(The cat meows.)
Kiri: yes feline? What was your question? Can you enunciate
that a little better?
Russ: yeah, give the floor over to Bobkin there. (One of the
Kiri: okay, any more questions?
Skip: I don't think so.
Kiri: well as I'm ring mistress, I have my shorts on and
I've got my whip and I've got my waistcoat on and I've got
my tall hat.
Skip: you've covered it pretty thoroughly tonight.
Kiri: oh thank you, thank you. Okay, catch you guys in the
Russ: okay, I'll start some tea I think. Want some tea Skip?
(Omal comes on to share his wisdom.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations, I see Russ is being
Russ: getting tea.
Skip: how you doing Omal?
Omal: I am doing well.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: I will be brief and to the point and again Russ,
Omal: okay I will be brief and to the point about Kiri's
comments and again comment on the fact that she is batting
extremely high at this time on her seriousness and has not
got overly rambunctious in the last few sessions. Maybe it
is something that has aided in straightening her out even
though we did have an incident two channeling sessions prior
where she is throwing items of clothing at people but in the
actual sessions themselves she has been more serious and not
Omal: again I must comment on the fact that wearing the
mantel as ring mistress may be suiting her. Okay, let us
move along to other topics that need to be looked at and I
believe Russ, you have some questions for me.
Russ: numerous questions, news, things like that.
Omal: okay let us first of all start with Skip and see if
Skip has any questions that he wishes to ask.
Skip: not this evening Omal, go ahead with Russ okay?
Russ: all right, I'm not sure if you were kept up to date on
the latest changes on the webpage?
Omal: no I have not been so.
Russ: okay, we're making some............Karra and I are
working on revamping the entire page.
Omal: you have to remember I do have a base to run.
Russ: I understand, I wasn't sure if people had kept you
up-to-date but this is just recently tonight before the
session so it's pretty quick notice.
Russ: so anyway we're basically......we're tearing down the
site and replacing it with a more easier interface for
people to navigate through.
Russ: plus it's adding a lot of the more tools that we have
available for us to bring it more up-to-date with the other
webpages that are out there and people are using to you know
bring more attention to it.
Russ: so hopefully by the time Ashtar or I mean.......yeah
Omal: Ashtar, Monka and president Tanaka and his lady wife,
Lady Gronofsky. (Gonzo)
Russ: right, we're hoping to have that all up-to-date and
rocking and rolling.
Russ: on other news, we have a report I got today on the
Internet on the email about a metafest conference the
happened in Florida recently.
Russ: and in fact it's this week. One of the things I
noticed that caught my attention was that from all the
people that were there was a really high level of energy and
people are sensing that something big is about to happen.
Russ: "thing is, there is an absence of fear and panic, It's
like we all knew we were here at this very time for a
reason. A feeling of belonging and community came forward as
each speaker shared their talent, insight and truth for
all." Later on in the article it goes down to, "those in
attendance at this event will be least likely to be affected
by the sudden trauma that could occur as the earth changes
escalate. However they are now better prepared to help
others who may be less informed or even in denial."
Russ: which brings about a good point about our fellow
humans who are either uninformed, do not wish to be informed
but in that, we're trying to enlighten people as to the
changes that are happening.
Russ: and any ideas on a more a way we could.....
Omal: disseminate the information?
Omal: I believe that you are doing what you do best. I also
believe that those that do not wish to be informed, do not
wish to be informed no matter how much you put the
information out. If they do not wish to be informed, they
will not be informed. So I believe that they have their own
lessons to learn. If they wish to learn, they can learn from
many different sources, not just the Hades Base News. We are
not just the one mouthpiece, there are many different
sources of truth all leading towards the same point. As is
stated, everybody has their own lessons to learn. Whether it
is from the Hades Base News or from other sources is besides
the point. The fact that they will learn when they need to
learn is what is important. Whether or not they wish to
learn is up to them. By going out and forcing the
information on people instead them coming looking for it,
defeats the purpose of the lessons. It is saying "look, this
is what you need to learn." It is not letting them learn and
saying, "oh, that was a good lesson, we have learned
something." Instead of hammering it into them, you are
offering them the opportunity to come and find the
information if they wish to do so. If they do not wish to do
so, then it is irrelevant on how much publicity and
information you disseminate. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh. Okay, that makes sense. On another note, we
have........I did find another channel that might be able to
participate in the conference but she channels
Russ: so that would give us another representative group
though aligned with Ashtar Command......
Russ: it will at least give us....that would be three plus
if we can get René to work on it.
Russ: that would be an extra one.
Omal: okay so that is four but the majority of them are all
under the Brotherhood of Light in one capacity or another.
Omal: we're still having problems getting ahold of the
Zeta's, the Reptiloids and the various other factions.
Russ: well I just keep striking out on that Zeta link. I keep going
into it and finding more channels on like I said for
Peladians but for the Zeta Reticuli, I cannot find this lady
to the save my life.
Omal: she is out there. Whether or not she is Internet
access or not yet is besides the point. The fact is that she
is out there and our guestimates are that she will have
Internet access here if she does not have it already.
Russ: well good. One thing I noticed was that somebody
called Ashtar Command the air wing of the Brotherhood of
Russ: so kind of like the blue guys (The pilots of the
base.) being the air wing of Hades Base.
Omal: yes, in essence.
Russ: in essence.
Omal: you have to remember Ashtar Command is a very large
organization, we are but a very small cog.
Russ: well it is almost as if this was mentioned that Ashtar
Command was actually a part......a small part of Brotherhood
Russ: well how big is the Brotherhood of Light?
Omal: it is big.
Russ: oh, I'm just trying to get some reference.
Skip: would that include all forms of life, the Brotherhood
Russ: I'm not sure on that point, Omal?
Omal: it is something that........it depends on how you look
at things. The Brotherhood of and Sisterhood of Light is
made up of many, many different entities and beings, all
intending on the same purpose but from different angles. It
is hard to put a number on how many there are but it
certainly counts into very high numbers. The thing is that
we all work from different angles and objectives and
purposes, all for the same goal which is to increase the
vibrational awareness of your planet and therefore to
enhance the spiritual growth and learning capabilities so
that when the time for changes come, you are ready.
Depending on how many people wish to listen depends on
whether you define the number as a large number or as a
small number. A large number is something that depends on
your perspective. To some, a million is a large number. To
others, it is a small number. A billion is larger and there
again there are differences on the definition of a billion.
Omal: is it a million, million or is it a hundred million?
Or is it a hundred, million, million, million? It depends on
Russ: hmm, now that puts Earth in its perspective of well
the Brotherhood of Light is like extremely large and Ashtar
Command is smaller and then Hades Base is smaller......
Russ: Earth is smaller.
Omal: no, Earth is just as important as any other planet
that is being aided in its spiritual advancement and
Omal: every planet, every being is just as important as
every other being. To sacrifice one for another is not what
our purpose is. Our purpose is to help all beings that wish
to be helped. Any that do not wish to be helped, we cannot
help them because they do not wish to be helped but the hand
is always there for them to change their minds, to change
their awareness at whatever time they wish. Whether they
believe in a single deity, multiple deities, male duties,
female deities is besides the point. It is all there for
help. Whether somebody chooses one path is up to them. We
cannot force a path on an individual. We cannot tell you
"Skip, this is what you must do. Russ, this is what you must
do, feline, this is what you must do." That is wrong because
you have to learn for yourself what is necessary for your
advancement. We, as Kiri said, lay a framework for you to
work within if you desire to do so. Kiri is a little bit
more adamant on the fact that it is a framework for you to
build upon. For my saying, I say that it is a framework that
you may wish to use or may not wish to use.
Russ: okay. Hmmm...interesting.
Skip: yeah I understand what Omal is saying but I think in
our 3-D society it is more of the foundation perspective
word. In other words, if the foundation's there it's built,
if it isn't there it isn't.
Omal: exactly, that is a different way of wording it.
Skip: yeah, it's just a different perspective on words is
all it is Omal.
Omal: yeah, but regardless, it is whether or not you wish to
use the foundation or the framework, that is your choice, we
cannot tell you "you must." For me to say "you
Skip: we can't even do that to our people.
Omal: that is correct. Is taking away your choice, you're
free will and as Kiri pointed out, that is very wrong.
Skip: yeah we can't even do that to our own kind. Some
people try it......
Skip: but it still don't work.
Omal: but you see the importance of the choice.
Omal: choosing is very, very important. Okay, any more
Skip: no, not from me.
Russ: just one.
Russ: Skip, myself, others who have joined our group,
yourself and others on Hades Base and Mark..........
Russ: all of us have all agreed at some point to come
together to work together.
Russ: our work influences other people in various
ways. We kind of are at a point where we'll see those
benefits or not so much benefits as our lessons throughout
the lives that we lead and what we do. Our influence is
going to be so important for ourselves. That's the key
Russ: is to work on....each of us even though we come into
group, with work together with each other.....
Omal: but also independently.
Russ: also independently right.........to enrich ourselves
and each other.
Russ: okay, so those people who come to our page are coming
in the same way, they've agreed to join us in this learning
Omal: correct. It is.....sorry.
Skip: excuse me I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Omal: no, no.
Skip: either to join us or to get the information where they
can learn and join us in the future is what it looks like to
me. Because you put out a heck of a page.
Russ: hmmm, well we do a lot of work there, makes it kind of
Omal: but you are quite correct in saying that whether or
not everybody comes together that reads the Hades Base News
for one time is besides the point. It is more along the
lines of that they read, they're participating by reading
and by learning. But we cannot force them to learn, we
cannot force them to read. That is their choice. It is
important to stress that everybody has free will. We are not
telling anybody "this is the way it is. This is the end-all
and be-all." No it is not. There are many different paths
for many different individuals and it is up to them to
choose the path that is right for them.
Russ: hmm okay.
Russ: excellent, thank you Omal.
Omal: no problem. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri's back to hand off to the next speaker.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Skip: how you doing sweetie?
Kiri: I'm doing good.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, so I'm still batting very high in miles
before a reckoning huh. Okay, let's see what mischief I can
Skip: just nevermind.
Kiri: party pooper.
Skip: behave yourself.
Kiri: if I could throw stuff at you I would.
Skip: I know, like your blouse and your britches.
Skip: just never mind that too.
Kiri: okay, I suppose I better do the ring mistress thing as
I'm in charge and hmm, that's interesting. Okay, I'll put on
the next speaker and I'll be back doing my ring mistress
duties and I want to discuss a few things towards the end
that I want to see how things are progressing with other
(Speaks to one of the technicians in the channeling room on
the base. )
Kiri: okay, where'd I put my notes....pass them over please?
(Lyka takes her turn in the channeling
Lyka: (sighs heavily) hello.
Lyka: hey, hey.
Skip: hi sweetie.
Lyka: how's it going?
Lyka: thank you, it's going good as well. I can't stay too
long, have pea brain for a bladder. Well?
Lyka: want me to kick your butt Russ?
Lyka: you're having brain lock there aren't you?
Russ: I am.
Lyka: hey Skip.
Skip: yes darling?
Lyka: shall we blow something up?
(Skip bursts out laughing.)
Lyka: of course.
Russ: of course.
Skip: oh darling.
Lyka: I'm tired, I've got a pea for a bladder and.....
Skip: and have you had the baby yet?
Lyka: no, it's not due until September.
Skip: oh, no wonder you've got a painful bladder.
Lyka: late September.
Skip: late September?
Skip: oh my goodness gracious.
Russ: we haven't heard from you in a while darling.
Skip: yeah, where you've been?
Lyka: where have I been? I've been studying.
Skip: up at the study.
Skip: every week?
Lyka: every week.
Skip: what have they got chained up to the table up there?
Lyka: oh you saying that my education is not as important as
coming down to........
Skip: no, no, no, no, no. I wasn't saying it that way. I
asked you if they had you chained to the table up there.
Lyka: not to the table in the library or the classroom. I've
been chained to the bed but that's besides the point.
Skip: I've got to make a joke with you once in a while.
Lyka: uh-huh, I was about to say, you want me to kick your
Skip: no, you ain't going to do that.
Russ: well it's good to see you darling.
Lyka: oh thank you. Okay, guys got anything you want to ask
or talk about? Strategy, brainstorming sessions.
Russ: absolutely, we can go all night on something like
strategy and other things like that.
Skip: well I've got my cement block wall up in the back of
Lyka: what's this?
Skip: with a steel gate.
Lyka: ahhh, steel gate.
Lyka: how thick?
Lyka: chain-link hmmm, doesn't offer much protection does
Skip: yeah quite a bit. It rolls, it don't swing.
Lyka: but chain-link has holes in it right?
Skip: that's okay, I can see them coming.
Lyka: uh-huh oh okay. What kind of thickness of the wall and
Skip: oh they're let's see.......the blocks are eight inches
thick and they're filled with cement and rebar.
Lyka: okay, will that stop penetration?
Skip: oh yes, with small arms, it won't stop armor
Lyka: no, no.
Skip: but it will stop small arms.
Lyka: okay, small arms is defined as what size?
Skip: up to I would say......
Russ: 50 caliber?
Skip: oh yeah, it will stop 50 caliber. It won't stop 20 mm
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: Gatlin gun, it'll just chew it up.
Lyka: sizes are confusing me a little bit.
Skip: small arms is anything that's carried with ease I
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: okay? Machine guns, rifles, well stocked grenades.
Lyka: so Thompson is a small arm then?
Skip: yeah, it's small arms.
Lyka: and a Kalashnikov is a small arm?
Skip: a what?
Skip: oh yeah, yeah because that's just a .223.
Lyka: and a Beretta 50 caliber?
Skip: 50 caliber?
Russ: it's not going anywhere.
Skip: it would chew it eventually but it will stop it for a
Skip: but a 20 mm Gatling gun which is a rotating barrel
gun, it'd just chew it down because it would be so much
Lyka: okay so the impact is also a defining.........
Skip: small arms, yeah.
Lyka: so my hip laser would be classified as a small arm.
Skip: laser? I don't know what your penetration is with a
laser so I couldn't answer that.
Lyka: I can penetrate through solid rock to about 2 feet.
Skip: then it's not classified as small arms.
(Russ starts laughing.)
Lyka: okay I'm confused now.
Skip: no, you have more capabilities with a laser then we
have with projectile type weapons.
Lyka: we use projectile weapons too, it depends on the
environment that we're in.
Skip: yeah but your lasers have more penetration then our
Lyka: but it won't penetrate our body armor.
Skip: what, lasers?
Lyka: no, it won't penetrate. Projectile weapons will. They
will you know, a repeated blow from a projectile weapon, let
us say you're firing......you fire ten shots at a particular
point, that will make it penetrate because the concussion
will fracture the material whereas a laser if you leave it
on full blast will penetrate because it cooks the armor and
breaks it down. But the repeated blow of a projectile on the
same spot, and it has to be the same spot, will break down
Russ: so it means it's a ceramic-based armor?
Skip: oh okay well we don't have ceramic-based armor.
Russ: no we have Kevlar.
Skip: we use Kevlar and that's not ceramic.
Lyka: that's made out of a fabric correct?
Skip: yeah it's a carbon....
Russ: right which means that a laser would penetrate it but
a projectile wouldn't.
Skip: that's correct.
Russ: so it's the opposite of what you're using.
Skip: yeah our armor would be the opposite as your armor.
Skip: where a knife will penetrate our armor....
Skip: our body armor, a projectile from a gun will not.
Lyka: ahh but wouldn't the velocity of the projectile be
burnt off with the discharge, the heat from the discharge?
Skip: no, just the projectile foot per second makes the
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: we don't have.....we do have but we don't use them
because they're in military hands, projectiles out of rifles
that will explode on contact.
Lyka: uh-huh, yes I've seen those, they're nasty.
Skip: yeah they are, they get awful nasty.
Skip: but they're pretty good sized, they're about the same
size as probably an 8 gauge shotgun which is pretty
Lyka: okay, bigger size?
Skip: okay, 8 gauge shotgun, how we classify shotguns is you
take a pound of lead.
Skip: and cut it into 8 balls and one of them balls would
fit down the barrel.
Skip: that's how they gauge shotguns in this 3-D.
Lyka: yeah I'm being shown how big a pound is.
Skip: okay a pound is probably....I'd say probably as big as
Lyka: okay. That gives me an idea.
Skip: so that gives you all the gauges for our shotguns.
Lyka: could you hold your fist up a little higher so I can
have a looksee on the monitor? Okay.
Skip: that gives you all the gauges for all of our shotguns.
Skip: if you're talking about a 20 gauge, there are 20 balls
to a pound.
Skip: 16? 16 balls to the pound. 12, 10, 8, 4, each one gets
Lyka: okay, I think I understand now.
Lyka: okay. I better go, I've got a micro bladder
Russ: okay, fair away.
Skip: okay, you gotta go, she's gone. (Chuckles.)
Skip: she's getting pretty uncomfortable, September? Let's
see this is July, August...she's only got three months to
Russ: it's getting there.
Skip: hi baby.
Kiri: yo, I'm back okay.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: before he dozes off again.
(Treebeard joins the channeling
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings Skip.
Skip: how are you tonight Treebeard?
Treebeard: I am functioning well. Greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Treebeard, an honor to have you with us
Treebeard: thank you, it is my being of pleasure to being
here. Okay, will we continue where we being left off a few
Treebeard: I am asking, not saying.
Russ: oh, yes.
Treebeard: okay, if we continue on the explanation being of
the deva and interrelationship with the trees, you being of
Russ: okay. The problems that one sees when let's say a tree
is cut down or a forest is leveled, the deva who is
protecting that forest is going to feel kind of upset
because of that but let's say there's new growth planted,
will a new deva come in perhaps to take the charge or will
the old deva stay and watch the youth grow?
Treebeard: it depending on purpose of area that is being
cut. If it is as I being of seeing on your planet farming,
it is more than likely that deva not being of concerned with
tending so much to of trees but overall caring for area
being of different kind of deva. But if it is forest that is
being of cut for first time and of great age, then deva
being of very upset react in numerous ways. Being of either
anger and hostility or sadness and dejection. But depending
on reaction of deva depends on whether or not it turns to
tending or gives up and leaves. It is uncommon from my
perception of devas being giving up unless it of happening
repeatedly and fact being that devas of great age, it is
hard for them to see it as of being common for area to be
cut and cleared regularly. Also because of great age, they
are knowing of that it is all part of cycle. So it is more a
feeling of temporary loss as you would feel for the loss of
a plant in your garden.
Treebeard: I am thinking of exercise to give you
understanding of deva's reaction. In your area, you have
Treebeard: what I am thinking of doing for you is asking you
to dig up one small sapling tree and being putting in pot
and seeing it grow.
Treebeard: and if failure to grow and of dying, get another
one until you get one of growing.
Russ: we've got lots of little saplings growing.
Skip: yeah, yeah, you've got that whole lot.
Treebeard: or another option is you are taking of seed and
planting seed. One seed and seeing if it being of growing
but I suggest due to your short attention span, it would
being of better to pick one......
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Treebeard continues from where he
Treebeard: that would being of harm for you to be of
patience to watch a seed grow or not grow.
Treebeard: you do not have gift of ultrasence to being of
probing to see if seed is fertile and active as opposed to
not being fertile of active.
Treebeard: so it would being better for you to experience
deva not from very conception but from early stage of
greening. When plant being of greening, you will see many
times how of growing and by not telling anyone of what is
purpose, you will also see lessons of deva of what deva
experience when people unthinkingly do harm to of greening
Treebeard: so it is only you and Skip that know of project
and host when he listen to recording.
Treebeard: so it is lesson to see how little harm can being
of done without consideration and feeling of deva. But being
of remembering that you as deva will have to tend and care
and look after and think of all possible happenings to
protect this seedling.
Russ: good idea.
Treebeard: lesson for you Skip if you wish so, do you?
Skip: I have....I have about 4 trees in pots at home that
were a gift to me.
Skip: they're only about maybe a foot to 18 inches tall.
They're very small and I've been taking care of them.
Treebeard: and so you've being of understanding.
Skip: I've was thinking about putting one of them in the
Treebeard: okay that is good starting for you.
Skip: okay. Yeah, center of my front yard.
Treebeard: okay you will have to being of thinking as of
Treebeard: it will be for you the same as Russ, no one being
but of Russ and host to know what lesson is.
Treebeard: so even young man who tended of garden must not
know that you will be overseeing and watching that of
greening young growth.
Skip: okay, that's understandable.
Treebeard: so it give you both lesson in devaship.
Skip: okay great.
Skip: super yeah, that will work super. Thank you.
Treebeard: no problem. I also of thinking that it will give
you pride in watching of greening to happen.
Treebeard: okay now, let us talk on other matters that you
are thinking on.
Russ: okay, my question is in relationship to devas and
their interaction with other etheric entities. For example,
how do they work with weather to help get rain and so forth
onto areas that need rain and so forth and keep that
delicate balance of nature going?
Treebeard: they work of energy manipulation as best as
possible. If no moisture being able to get, they will turn
and look at area and see what can be protected. Even if
being of whole area dies because of no precipitation, then
they will make sure that opportunity for greening will
re-occur. In such of helping trees of certain tolerances
breed so that they lay down of seeds that once precipitation
comes, then greening can return. Or they work in way where
it is common for fire and fire devas that seeds that become
necessary for roasting and burning to germinate. So working
within environment is of importance of the greening that is
necessary. It is almost like of you manipulating genes for
specific characteristics within plants or other such.
Russ: hmmm, yeah because we're experiencing a drought right
now in many parts of our country.
Russ: being blamed on a weather phenomenon known as La Niña.
And it's something I was wondering how the devas work on
such a problem where there is just no growth.
Treebeard: you being having to of remember that devas of
great age have seen many different of climates on your
planet in areas. For example area that once was a shallow
sea is now of being of desert. So it is of necessary to
realize that they have long view even in planning of now.
You think of hot time to being of coming calling global
Treebeard: devas look further ahead to of time where global
cooling will be of occurring.
Russ: the next ice age.
Treebeard: that is being of your cooling.
Treebeard: but devas plan that far ahead. Whether it is a
1,000 of your cycles or 10,000 is a point of little
concerning of devas. Their concerning is of long term.
Russ: hmm, I didn't realize that, I think you know us being
living short-term, we don't see it far ahead but....
Treebeard: even my age of long time is small comparing of
devas. On home world devas haven't been there for many
millions and one deva that I call when I was much of younger
then Russ to area that I adore and make garden, feeling I
get of deva was of being of great age and when I say of
great age I mean of inconceptual length of time.
Russ: there's a raccoon on the porch.
Skip: oh is there?
Russ: one of our local wildlife were looking in the door
Treebeard: I see faint aura outside of scavenging animal.
Russ: right, that would be the raccoon.
Treebeard: I also of notice incredible energy burst towards
Russ: yes the kitten is rather wondering about that.
Treebeard: Kiri is of saying that the scavenging animal
should be made sure not to enter.
Treebeard: okay let us of finishing........
Treebeard: as I am of tired.
Russ: all right well I'm all done myself.
Skip: yes so am I, thank you Treebeard.
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you are being of welcome.
transitions between speakers.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo, yo. So, you've got one of those bandit guys
Russ: yeah, he was looking inside the door.
Skip: I closed it down far enough they can't get in. He's
off the porch now.
Russ: it's kind of neat though, little guy going.....looking
right at me.
Kiri: okay, let's....I'm glad that Treebeard thinks in
Sirian and transmits it to us up here so we can hear what
he's actually thinking because I was trying to follow that
in English. Some of that was very hard to follow.
Skip: I thought it was pretty neat.
Russ: I thought it was very informative.
Kiri: but his phraseology is hard.
Kiri: you've got to remember, English isn't my language.
Skip: no, this is true too.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: even though I try when I'm talking to you guys and I'm
talking to Mark, I try to think in English, it's very hard.
Skip: but even with him reversing his words........
Skip: it's still pretty easy to understand what he's putting
Russ: definitely understandable.
Skip: yeah he translates real well, he really does.
Kiri: well if I get to be that age and I'm that learned on
my chosen field, I'll be very, very happy.
Skip: hmm, he does a good job.
Skip: he really does.
Kiri: and as he gets up slowly and picks up his...his
rabbit, doesn't have the snake with him tonight. Do you know
what he calls his rabbit?
Skip: oh just a straight rabbit.
Skip: oh okay.
Kiri: and actually calls him lepus I've been corrected.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: which is Latin for rabbit I believe.
Kiri: but snake is called snake, and snake is big. I think
the nearest thing you would describe him as would be
something like a cross between an Anaconda and a Python.
Russ: big snake.
Skip: it's a snake.
Kiri: okay, I better put on my big sis.
Skip: all right then, bye.
(Kiri gives a big sigh.)
(Karra starts to channel.)
Russ: hello love.
Karra: hello hon, how's it doing?
Skip: hey sweetheart.
Russ: hey, how's it going Skip?
Skip: just fine, how about you?
Karra: oh a little tired, it's been a long day.
Skip: whatcha been doing?
Karra: getting everything ready for the visits.
Skip: oh okay.
Karra: yeah we've got podiums to make, we've got things to
analyze before they arrive.
Karra: uh-huh. Going to give a little speech. I've got to
give the speech for when they arrive, the acceptance and
Russ: oh okay. Have you found an ambassador yet? (An
ambassador from Sirius to oversee the conference.)
Karra: that's what they're coming to discuss.
Russ: all right, sounds good.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, what are we here to talk about tonight?
Russ: well I could talk about the webpage but....
Karra: I already know about that.
Russ: I'll think of other things to talk about.
Skip: why don't you pick a good subject.
Karra: my mind's tired. Russ, how tired am I?
Skip: and the mind isn't functioning too well.
Karra: so it is more......as I am at a low ebb energy wise,
more for you to pick my brain.
Skip: let's go with this, why don't you just relax?
Karra: okay, ask questions, I'll relax and answer whatever
comes to mind.
Russ: go ahead.
Skip: all right, this isn't the engineer?
Russ: no this is the healer.
Skip: the healer okay, okay.
Karra: yes the engineer is my.....
Skip: all right, that's.......okay.
Karra: my little sister.
Skip: all right, thank you. I have a question to ask.
Skip: and it's been bothering the hell out of me for quite a
while. I'm a healer or I have that gift.
Skip: what I can't seem to get through my thick head is why
all these educated practitioners have to or seem to think
that they have to induce chemicals in everybody's body to
cure something that 99% of the time is not physical but
Karra: because it is part of we discussed last time,
rituals. You remember?
Skip: yeah I remember the ritual but hon, even a ritual
Karra: use the chemicals?
Skip: these gentlemen or ladies however they are that
graduated from these schools of medicine, are all what can I
Karra: yes, physical practitioners.
Skip: practice but they've come down to a point of where it
seems that 90% of them want to use chemicals to try to cure
something that is not physical.
Karra: oh, I see where you're going. You're talking about
the psychiatrists? People that deal with the minds of....
Skip: well even they induce chemicals in their people
to.......this whole society seems to be going chemical happy
is what I'm trying to get at and why? Chemicals don't do
anything for the body.
Karra: the way I think things are happening, in my planet's
history we went through a phase very similar where we used
chemicals to control what we perceived as imbalances. What
we were actually doing was masking the problem. It
was........let's take a child that is hyperactive.
Skip: uh-huh, go ahead.
Karra: the question you have to ask is why is the child
hyperactive? What is first of all making the child
hyperactive? Is it something in the diet, is it a particular
person, is it a particular environmental factor? Once you've
ruled out all these factors and there are numerous other
ones......you'll have to forgive me for only taking
three.......I'm as I said a little tired.
Skip: no go ahead.
Karra: let us say you've ruled out all the environmental
factors and the child is still hyperactive. That's the way
the child is. But if you look over the long-term at a
hyperactive individual, or take an individual that was
hyperactive, they serve a very important purpose. People
that are hyperactive may be hyperactive because they have a
lot to achieve and have set themselves lots of objectives
and goals that they need to achieve. So by prescribing
chemicals to slow them down, you may be doing them a
disservice. Or you could be doing them a service in
extending their life so that they can fulfill all the things
that they wish to do. Or you may be making it so their life
is cut short because of the chemicals interacting in a way
that slows down their processes and they live their natural
length of time that they were supposed to live but do not
achieve the goals and objectives that they had set
themselves so they have to do it all over again. There are
certainly times where it does become necessary to slow an
individual down to a point where they can step outside and
see what they're doing and lay a path work or pathway that
will slow them down naturally once the chemicals are
removed. But the chemicals should only be used as a
temporary measure whilst other options are looked at if
absolutely necessary but not willy-nilly handed out like
confectionery. That is something that is alarming to hear
that there is a large number of people being given chemicals
to calm them down.
Skip: or to fix something that isn't physically wrong with
Skip: now I have the reputation of being a workaholic or I
have had for most of my life.
Skip: I was hyper, that's all.
Karra: okay, so you're hyper, you know what it's done for
Skip: made a heck of a good life.
Skip: for me and my family.
Skip: if I hadn't been hyper I wouldn't have been able to
make that good of a life.
Karra: that's correct. Would you wish to be no ambition, no
will to do anything, somebody else will take care of you,
somebody else will look after you.
Skip: uh-huh, that won't work for me. That still don't work
for me even at my advanced years.
Karra: well if I was on earth years, I would be in my late
20's to mid-30's.
Skip: yeah I know. I'm almost 3 times that okay? But I still
can't let other people take care of me. In fact I'm still
looking to find somebody to take care of for me.
(Skip starts to laugh.)
Karra: uh-huh, that is good.
Karra: that is good to have those ambitions and goals and
Skip: oh yeah, I'm not going to stop just because I've got
into the 60 years.
Karra: age is irrelevant.
Skip: yeah well I figure I've still got another good 30
Karra: that's good, that's good.
Skip: and I'm going to enjoy 'em.
Karra: uh-huh. I've got at least another good hopefully 800
Skip: yeah you bugger. (Laughs)
Karra: that's something I do not enjoy.
Skip: but what I was getting at is, I've run across so many
people just in the last I would say 10 years that
physicians, now I'm not specifying male or female but
physicians okay? Have kept pumping into them different
chemicals trying to cure something that's not curable
physically, it's a mental thing.
Karra: uh-huh, well also I think it's having looked around
and seeing research when I was more concentrated on the
healing, it was more of a thing of "well that fixed the
problem but you've got to take these medications and
chemicals for the rest of your life." To me that is a waste,
I totally agree with you Skip. But you see getting back to
the children, it is also an importance on laying the correct
foundation and if necessary, taking a harsh hand and laying
down parameters that are important that will form in later
life. If you have a hyperactive child, you have to think
"okay, how can you harness that energy from that child to
benefit the child and improve the surroundings for that
Skip: I think this is why I've been trying to learn so hard
of my physical and spiritual healing powers.
Karra: yes and then on the other side is what you do with
somebody that has no will and ambition and how do you get
Skip: yeah well, the only thing you can do in my estimation
on something like that is continue to feed them energy and
keep setting examples for them. But it still comes down to
what we were discussing earlier, it's their choice.
Karra: yes, Omal did cover that.
Skip: yeah, it's their choice. You can set all the examples
and give them all the energy in the world but it's still
their free choice to do or not to do. It helps, it really
Skip: coercion will help, or energy examples. All these
things help but it still really when it comes down to push
and shove, it's still their choice.
Karra: yes you're very correct on that. Anyway, I'm going to
wander off as I've been offered to sleep in the guest room.
Skip: oh, fantastic.
Karra: so I'm going to go and lie down for a little while.
Russ: take care love, get some rest.
Karra: I will.
Skip: thank you, thank you, I appreciate it.
(Kiri returns to close out the session.)
Skip: it's starting to irritate the heck out of me. Hi babe.
Kiri: hey, carry on talking, I'm listening.
Skip: feeding them all kind of medications to try to fix
something that's not physical but up here in their spirit
and their mind.
Russ: well they don't understand that part, the only know
one way of dealing with it. That's all they were taught.
Skip: yeah right. Go ahead sweetheart.
Kiri: no I'm just listening with interest.
Skip: no I'm just running my big mouth.
Russ: I've got an engineering question for you sweetheart.
Russ: have you ever heard of a gentleman, a third
dimensional Earth gentleman named John Hutchinson?
Kiri: doesn't he do what's it, spatial engineering? Not
spatial engineering, constructional engineering?
Russ: not sure I don't think so. This is a guy who lives up
in Canada and he went aboard a bunch of old battleships and
other naval vessels that were getting ready for the scrap
heap. Took a bunch of electronic gear out of them with their
permission and bought them or was given to him.
Russ: and proceeded to go ahead and build an antigravity
Russ: basically creates a electric field and used a lot of
stuff from Tesla to actually create what's called the Hutchinson affect
which is a fact of antigravity.....
Russ: and you know I've seen like a selection of videos on
TV of this stuff actually rising up in air.
Kiri: it's very easy to do actually to build an antigravity
thing. You know how you do it?
Kiri: and I can't tell you, I've had it confirmed.
Skip: you ornry thing.
Kiri: it's very, very simple. You get yourself two
electromagnets. You make sure you have the positive side
facing the positive side. Now what happens when you have
positive facing positive?
Russ: they repel.
Skip: they repel.
Russ: repel each other. Right, which is what they think
happened here but.....
Kiri: very simple.
Russ: pretty interesting stuff to watch. Because it
actually....it wasn't magnetic, due the fact that paper was
doing this too. And paint, and other things which aren't
Kiri: then what they're doing is they're electrifying the
surfaces so it's positive to positive or negative to
Russ: so they're charging it?
Skip: yeah, they're giving it a charge. We used to do the
same thing with paint.
Russ: yeah I mean that's what I was watching, cans of paint.
The paint would actually go up to the ceiling.
Skip: no I mean actual paint, not cans of it, paint.
Russ: yeah, the paint would come out of the can and go
straight to the ceiling.
Skip: okay, we do it all the time in industry.
Skip: you negative charge your parts, throw them through the
paint booth and you positive charge your paint and the paint
goes right to it and there's no overspray.
Kiri: uh-huh, very easy, very simple.
Skip: they've been doing this for 25, 30 years with paint.
Kiri: uh-huh, you just take something that you.....
Skip: but I've never seen what you were talking about.
Russ: big globs the paint, straight to the ceiling.
Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah. No I've never seen that.
Kiri: that's easy to do.
Skip: for you.
Russ: so they put a charge to whatever it is.
Skip: yeah they put a positive charge or vice a versa,
whichever but they put one charge to the parts that needs to
be painted, and put the reverse charge on the paint and the
paint will actually suck to the metal.
Russ: now how's it that you can charge a piece of paper?
Kiri: same principle.
Russ: I mean it's like it seems like paper can't
be......it's not a conductive......
Skip: it's got atoms in it.
Kiri: everything has a conductive ability, some lesser, some
Skip: including you and me.
Kiri: uh-huh. For example, where's the feline?
Russ: it went scattering off.
Skip: but you can comb your hair and make it stand straight
up. Yeah that's what she's doing to Mark's hair right now.
Kiri: apart from he doesn't have very much hair left.
Skip: but that's static electricity rather than charged
Russ: charged electricity.
Russ: what's the difference though?
Skip: and yet there isn't.
Russ: I didn't think so.
Skip: because the static electricity can be harnessed and
still used as current.
Kiri: okay, sidetracking for a moment.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: sidetracking for a moment, totally off on a different
Skip: go ahead.
Kiri: okay, how are we......I want a progress report on your
Russ: the 10,000 people.
Russ: I don't have one so I've got a month to work on it
Kiri: yeah but just interest for my sake.
Skip: I think I've got it pretty well figured out to where I
come down at okay but I want to do a little bit more
Kiri: okay, that's good, that's good.
Skip: I really do because I'm looking at how they're going
to handle summer, winter.....
Skip: growing seasons, water, fuel.....
Skip: light and dark.....
Skip: housing and a growing period and what can be grown.
Kiri: okay, have you looked at environmental factors such as
the safety of the land, the surrounding areas,
Skip: a little bit but not that much because there's several
different areas where this can be established to defend
yourself against wild animals or even if the 10,000 people
split up and they become two tribes or four tribes or
whatever. You still set up a defensive environment with
still all the other things with it.
Kiri: uh-huh, you've thought this out very carefully, I'm
Skip: well the defensive idea or mode of this thing is going
to be of the lowest priority for me. The biggest priority is
feeding these people.....
Kiri: oh of course.
Skip: and housing them and clothing them and being able to
make it through the year.
Kiri: uh-huh, I've actually picked a location that I believe
is ideal but I can't disclose that.
Skip: no, no, no, no, no, just let me pick out my own
Kiri: of course, of course but also what I want to do when I
tell you my location is to pick fault with it.
Skip: no, I don't thing so.
Kiri: when the month time is up.
Kiri: okay let's...
Skip: I've been working on it.
Kiri: that's good, that's great. It's a nice little project,
Kiri: it keeps you very.......gives you lots of things to
think about and lots of variable factors. Now why did I give
you guys this project?
Skip: to keep our mind occupied probably.
Kiri: and there is a learning lesson behind it.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: there's a learning lesson behind it.
Skip: oh is that right?
Kiri: uh-huh. I will reveal that at the end of the month.
Kiri: okay Russ, how are you doing? I know you haven't
thought about anything as you just said that you didn't.
Russ: right. I have some questions about it.
Russ: and that is, we are picking a place on earth.
Kiri: that's correct.
Russ: now, is this place prior to civilization?
Kiri: no, it is right now.
Skip: oh right now?
Kiri: yes but the planet is uninhabited with what you have
on your planet.
Skip: ohh right now?
Russ: let's say it's a major city, wouldn't you have to deal
with the buildings and stuff that are already there or do
you imagine that they're not there?
Skip: that changes a lot.
Kiri: there's nothing there. There's nothing there, it is
your planet as it is now but with no inhabitants and no
history. It's a fresh planet but your planet now in your
Russ: so we have to imagine a place in present time without
Skip: okay, the cites are gone. Okay there's no hard top and
Russ: but there wouldn't be any trees either.
Skip: that would be correct.
Russ: because that would be the future and not a past time
when there were trees and then they were all cut down to put
the city in.
Skip: that's right. The city's gone.
Russ: so the city is gone but so are everything that
would've been there prior to the city being there.
Kiri: correct. It is right now. For example......
Russ: these are important keys for me to know before I start
making any serious....
Kiri: let's take your current location right? 200 years ago
it was a nicely tree'd area.
Kiri: where the trees weren't too densely, they weren't
tight together. They didn't have all the diseases and
everything that they have now. It's now but the houses
aren't there, the people aren't there.
Skip: okay I gotcha, I gotcha, that changes things.
Kiri: I should've been more clearer on that.
Russ: no but I was thinking about that right after I left
and going "wait a minute, what do I've got to plan on here."
Kiri: yeah it is.....
Russ: because I was planning on looking back at the past and
seeing, well okay let's....
Kiri: no, that would make it too easy.
Skip: yeah because we'd have known exactly where to set it
up in the past.
Skip: because of what flourished.
Skip: okay. But if we're setting it up now and all the
cities are gone.....
Russ: yeah, what didn't flourish?
Skip: and everything's bare where the cities were.
Russ: Virginia City used to be a city of 10,000 souls.
Skip: I realize that but that was a mining town too.
Skip: so was Butte Montana, they had over a 100,000 people
in it at one time but it was a mining town and nothing would
grow there. Did you know that?
Skip: on account of the mine waste and the stuff that was
dumped out on the ground.
Kiri: that's something else you have to take into
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: that's something else you have to take into.....
Russ: now are we dealing.....
Skip: now we know.
Russ: now are we dealing with pollution that's there in the
Skip: that's right, dealing with pollution and yet not the
buildings and stuff that put it there.
Skip: okay. That changes.....
Russ: that means you can't put it in any current, civilized
place due to the fact that the pollution there would
probably kill any plants you're trying to grow or leave your
residual stuff that would cause birth defects in the future.
Skip: well not only that but your pollution like you say
would be so great that nothing would grow there anyhow.
Skip: and don't try to use the Los Angeles Valley.
Russ: oh no, that's gone.
Skip: because that is called the valley of smoke even back
before a city was there.
Kiri: you see, it's not as easy as you thought it was going
Russ: no I just had to know what the rules were before I
start thinking about it seriously.
Kiri: well I do have e-mail Russ.
Russ: well I know darling but I don't want to bother you
when you're busy, I know how busy you get.
Kiri: yeah, I do actually. Talking of busy, can we somehow
lighten her load?
Russ: that's not till after the delegates go through.
Kiri: yeah I know.
Russ: the dignitaries. Until then, she's got
responsibilities that she can't break away from.
Skip: yeah that's true too, she's got commitments.
Russ: and she knows that and I know that but there's not
anything that can be done.
Skip: that's why I backed off and just told her to relax.
Kiri: yeah she looks very, very tired.
Kiri: I offered the guestroom for her to sleep in as long as
she wants. I know she'll only sleep for a couple of hours
and then go back to her residence and work some more.
Kiri: how much time have do we have left on the recording?
Skip: oh I have no idea, Russ will have to take a look at
Russ: oh about five minutes.
Kiri: okay we can burn through that....we can chat idly.
Russ: actually eight minutes and 30 seconds.
Skip: you ornry thing. Oh no.
Kiri: you timing again?
Russ: no, just took a look at the tape though.
Kiri: uh-huh, okay. You think you're that good?
Russ: no but I'm just past experience. I've been doing this
for how many years I've been doing this? Seen so many tapes
going through right now, you can get it down to a point
where you can figure this all out.
Kiri: uh-huh. I don't even bother looking at the
chronometer, it's just sort of like.....we'll talk until
it's done. But okay, so the project is to find a spot that
can be colonized on your planet in the current time that
it's at with all the problems that.....
Skip: and 10,000 people.
Kiri: 10,000 people
Russ: now what kind of technologies does this 10,000 people
have when they get here? Nomadic, civilized.
Skip: oh yeah okay, yeah.
Kiri: how are they getting to your planet?
Skip: they're getting here by spaceship.
Russ: oh well there's the question, if they're getting here
by spaceship then, then they've got high-technology tools to
terraform the area they're in right?
Skip: so it's possible they've got good
technology.....right, right. They have high-technology.
Russ: so we're talking terraforming.
Skip: yeah but they'd still have to use a certain amount of
hand tools too.
Russ: maybe, we don't know.
Russ: well what if it was a bunch of Sirians coming down
Skip: a bunch of what?
Russ: Sirians. Let's say 10,000 Sirians came down and set up
a colony right now. Good God, they have enough stuff they'd
never have to go near a city.
Skip: I thought we was talking about human beings.
Russ: yeah we are but, Sirians are pretty close.
Kiri: genetically yes......
Skip: no cigar.
Kiri: genetically........no I don't like cigars, the kind of
make me itch afterwards. (Joking about the Bill Clinton
Russ: see they would have technology, they would need to be
in a city. They could just....
Skip: yeah that's true.
Kiri: ahh you want to bet? When we do or when we did the
colonizing in the past, we didn't bring all our high-tech
technology because it's bulky, cumbersome and takes up
valuable space that is used for other things.
Skip: that's true too.
Kiri: and why take quantities of material such as lumber,
ceramics when that's going to be available there anyway?
Skip: oh yeah it's all here.
Russ: ships could be broken down into very usable parts.
Skip: it's all here, you don't have to.....
Russ: you know, figure that there's going to be ships they
could break down.
Kiri: well why break down a ship if that's going to
be........if something goes wrong on the colony or something
happens and you find that the world is unsuitable because of
seismic activity, you've broken down your lifeboat to escape?
Skip: yeah you don't take your ship apart.
Kiri: uh-huh. And, if you land your ship on the planet and
start dismantling it, where are the people going to sleep
whilst you're dismantling it?
Russ: well you can always......yeah that's true.
Kiri: okay, where you can put them if they become sick? How
are you going to feed them if you dismantle where your
hydroponic chambers are? How are you going to......but to
think that if you're an advanced technology and you're
colonizing a planet, what would be on board your ship? How
big would your ship be? Big enough to have some.....
Skip: pretty good size. Yeah, it'd have to be a good size.
Russ: they would have multiple ships, at least three like
Skip: no, not really.
Russ: you could have one for just carrying supplies, one for
carrying the people, one for carrying the rest of the......
Skip: uh-uh, no you've already said that your technology
already advanced, you don't have to carry supplies other
than....the supplies that you would only need would be
Russ: no you need things for defense, things for hunting,
offense, things for....
Skip: well yeah that's.....you come back down to tools
Skip: because if you have the tools, you can make anything.
Kiri: okay, here's a little suggestion. You two decide on
what technology level you're at. Okay, let's make it a
little......let's give you two months and you're going to
plan the total trip, manifest, location, don't forget, it's
20th century Earth, no inhabitants on there but as is now.
Russ: yeah you have to scouted it out.
Kiri: you're going to have the whole entire ship's manifest,
categories of people doing what, everything that you're
going to need to colonize a planet plus the location. I'll
give you two months to do that. Or we can do the other one
where you just find the location that you're going to be
colonizing that has all the suitable requirements. Which are
you guys want to do?
Russ: I will do the second one......the two-month thing, I
like the challenge.
Kiri: okay Skip?
Skip: I'll go for it.
Kiri: okay you've got two months to come up with a
Russ: now how much are we talking, how much capacity has the
ship got to hold, did we decide that?
Kiri: it's your ship.
Russ: I can make a pretty big damn ship.
Russ: I don't know what the laws of physics are for bigger
Skip: no, the laws of physics don't count because
technology's ahead of it. Now there's been some of course
Hollywood style okay? Where there's been 2 million people on
Skip: 2 1/2 million in fact. In "The Visitors", they had....
Russ: 10,000 people could get lost in a ship that size.
Skip: sure you would but "The Visitors", they had over
30,000 people on one ship.
Skip: the new one had 1,800 on it just as crew.
Kiri: and only one bathroom.
Skip: everybody carried Porta Potty's.
Skip: no, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, you gotta think.
Skip: two months puts us at 1rst of September right?
Russ: now is this.......are we talking.....are we talking
hydro..I mean are we cryogenically freezing people, putting
them in suspended animation during the trip?
Kiri: that's up to you.
Russ: I mean are they living and breathing during the trip?
Skip: that would have to be your choice.
Russ: so it have to be their ancestors getting here?
Kiri: that's up to you.
Skip: be your choice.
Russ: well I mean the crew would have to....
Skip: now okay, now one other question I need to ask you.
How long are we going to be in space?
Kiri: got to work with the laws of physics.
Russ: which are? We don't know the laws of physics in space.
Kiri: then you've got to find out.
Russ: we don't have that information really. Not for
something that big a project.
Kiri: let's say it's a five year trip.
Skip: five year trip?
Russ: five year trip.
Skip: that's fair enough.
Kiri: okay, five year trip.
Russ: I can work with that.
Skip: five years okay and you've got 10,000 people, all
right. Gives me what I need to know.
Kiri: so that will give you guys something to think about.
Skip: first of September you want a report.
Kiri: before things start to get hectic around the
Russ: okay, very cool. Hey by the way, do the Brotherhood of
Light have any kind of logo or symbol or anything?
Kiri: probably. Probably for easy earth recognition for the
people that they're dealing with but what it is, don't ask
Russ: oh well, I know what Ashtar Command's is, that's
Russ: it's an A with a little spaceship in the bottom or in
Kiri: with a wing.
Russ: yeah with a wing right.
Kiri: I never liked that design.
Russ: I didn't either, I'm thinking of tweaking it out a
Kiri: hey, it's all over the base.
Russ: well that's what I'm thinking of doing, I'm thinking
of taking that design and just really just bringing it up to
the 21st century.
Kiri: which 21st-century? Are we talking 21st A.D. or BC?
Russ: 21st-century, third dimensional Earth.
Kiri: ahh okay. I was about to say, are we talking
Russ: that's the weakest graphic I've ever seen. I mean I
understand that it works good it's easily understandable but
still it's like........
Kiri: you have to remember also, it comes in different
colors and incarnations on the base as well.
Kiri: three-dimensional, metallic, reversed. Some of them
are obtruse like, you know there is a logo that right
outside the corner bar? (The eating and drinking
establishment near Kiri, Tia and Mark's apartment.) The
Hades Base logo?
Russ: I did not know that. Hades Base has got a logo?
Kiri: no the Ashtar....
Russ: Ashtar Command logo yeah.
Kiri: but you look at the garden there, you'll see it in the
Kiri: but the only time that you'll see the whole entire
thing, is early, early in the morning and you don't get up
Russ: no I don't.
Kiri: I've been up that early a few times, leaving the
Kiri: hey, I was sober, well reasonably sober.
Russ: you were just staying awake to see it.
Kiri: no, just enjoying myself.
Russ: all right well I'm going to tweak that symbol out a
Kiri: a few Sirian clarets.
Russ: I might work on designing a Brotherhood of Light
Kiri: you'll have to ask them.
Kiri: okay I think the tape's about done.
Russ: no, we've got another.....oh, should've been done two
Skip: well darling, you have a good one.
Kiri: you too.
Skip: I'm going to head down the hill tonight.
THE TAPE ENDS
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