The Tower of Babel and the Quarter Speed of Light-

Channeled (01/30/1996)

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Archivist Notes: We have a rare treat for the archives where this May channeling session that was recorded in 1996 so the sound quality is a few steps up from what are sound engineers have been able to master. As for the content, it's just the four main speakers but we get a history lesson and a psychological examination. As usual, we have Tia answering questions from a larger than normal group and the topic quickly goes to a theological discussion where we discover the belief system of Tia's home planet Durondedunn and also Sirius. Another thing we discover is that when she had been a priestess in training and so she admits to being very curious about different religions. That prior vocation gave her a good background in discussing the similarities in each. As the conversation turns to the biblical, it revolves to the Tower of Babel and the reason for the similarities. A theory tossed around is that an ancient war was the reason for a number of sites in ancient times being destroyed. We wrap things up with her helping out a young guest in the best ways they could channel their anger. Tia then steps aside for Omal who then extends the conversation as we expand on what has been discussed. We consider again on how the nuclear destruction that may have been possible back then would have been the result of a clean mini nuclear device. It is something that explains many of the mysteries of ancient times but is still a mystery itself. Something that is considered is that the Internet helps us to understand one another no matter the language translation software. That would make it a modern Tower of Babel that Omal says is something that has been thousands of years in the works. He also notes that the ability to comprehend each other is one of the steps to again connect with our star brothers and sisters. We end up his time talking by moving up to the present day where the use of nuclear weapons and energy is headed for the future.

Omal continues on the same line of questions and answers as we begin side two but doesn't stay on long before deferring to the expert. He takes nuclear power to the next step by bringing up cold fusion as our way of advancing technologically. While it would go a long way toward solving our energy needs for clean energy, it could have also help us to seriously explore space. The starting of the international space station's operations was still a year away and bringing it up as a launch platform for further explorations meant we needed to speak to Kiri on how to make that happen. What she gets into right away is a very detailed description of how to use cold fusion to reach a quarter of the speed of light. Faster than that and the molecules start to break down. She also points out that you don't need engines constantly pushing you in space as they do in Hollywood movies. Just the first push is what is needed due to the lack of friction in space. We next go over the mechanics of traveling at the quarter speed of light in that it would take sixteen years to travel for light-years. The person doing so would only age for years in that sixteen years. While we could get to Alpha Centauri, she has doubts about our ability to survive there. We then get ready for the next part of the channeling session in which she would be blinking minds with her sister to help our guest with some mental help he had been seeking. So it's Karra and Kiri who take over from here and try to offer some helpful advice to someone in need. Our guest had been suffering from chronic insecurity it appears and was having panic attacks over not achieving the goals he had set himself. At sixty-two, he thought he was at the end of his life and feeling he had failed at most everything. Karra is quick to defend him and point out all the positives in his life. She then set some goals for him to achieve to get past his procrastination. He was to sit for up to ten minutes staring at a spot on the wall. It is a very professional psychoanalytical session with some great advice for anyone. We end with Tia coming on as Karra finishes up with our guest. As usual we get a few laughs before the tape cuts out. The clarity alone makes this a great session for the archives.
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

TIA- Co-Ring Mistress


1.)(0:00)- Tia gets unto a philosophical and theological discussion about the religions of her home planet and Sirius. We also consider the possibility all religions have a root origin that all are based on originally.
2.)(24:36)- Omal contemplates the theory that the Internet is now our modern day Tower of Babel and how it may be connected to Atlantis. Omal reveals that our coming together has been a long-term plan.


1.)(0:00)- Omal helps us to realize the potential of fusion power and how it may some day explore other planets. This was at a time when the International Space Station was still yet to be built in space.
2.)(4:20)- Kiri rejects Hollywood's space battles of having engines running constantly when you just need a single push to get started. She also explains how to reach quarter the speed of light with fusion power.
3.)(21:07)- Karra gives a Psychoanalytical session with a guest of ours who had been looking for some life advice. She looks back on her life as examples of the decisions of others that determined their life path.

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(Tia comes on after staying silent for a bit)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: can't out stubborn me, hah. I can sit and wait all night. Hello, hello, hello, hello.

Skip: good evening Tia.

Tia: greetings, good evening.

Russ: good evening.

Tia: questions and answer time, huh? Who's the new dude?

Judy: I've met you before Tia.

Tia: I know, you're........don't tell me, don't tell me....Judy.

Judy: uh-huh.

Tia: and.....

Judy: you've never met my son....

Tia: no.

Judy: this is my son, Tyrell. Say hi to Tia.

Tyrell: (speaking through a glass ) hello.

Tia: your voice sounds funny. It sounds if it's echoing from the bottom of a cup.

Judy: it was.

Tia: uh-huh. That's all right.

John: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi to John in Durondedunn)

Tia: how's it going Johnny?

John: good, I can't participate tonight. I'm going to run off here in a couple minutes.

Tia: uh-huh, good luck.

John: I've got a couple things to take care of.

Tia: good luck.

John: thank you.

Tia: okay, let's get down to business. Questions and answers. You've got questions, I've got answers.

Russ: I'm not going to take it all up myself this time though.

Tia: oooohhhh, aren't we being mighty brave.

Skip: you're going to do what tonight?

Russ: I'm gonna let you guys ask here because I always take up all the questions. I'll spread it out a little bit here.

Skip: oh, you're going to spread it out a little bit here, go ahead Tia.

Russ: tear it up.

Skip: Tia?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I got a personal problem.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I've been on the verge of total panic for about a month now.

Tia: uh-huh, yes. We've discussed it and we brought in a specialist. Mind you, she's always around.

Skip: yes.

Tia: uh-huh. She's been doing some studying on human psychological disorders.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and she will be some other people that were supposed to be here at 8 o'clock, that arrived after the time.

(Russ and Skip laugh)

Russ: I was here before 8 o'clock darling.

Tia: not according to our chronometer you didn't, you got there like five minutes after seven which is eight o'clock your time.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh, so that's after.

(Skip chuckles)

Russ: well it's not eight thirty, is it? Which is normally what it would be.

Tia: true, normally yes.

Russ: and I did get further in everything I promised, didn't I?

Tia: uh-huh, we'll let you off.

Russ: thank you.

(Skip chuckles once more)

Tia: only slightly.

Skip: is it your turn in the barrel tonight, Russ?

Russ: always is.

Skip: anyhow, I've got another question.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: do your people or you personally believe in a supreme.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: being?

Tia: supreme deity. Well it's more along the lines of a supreme mental......

Skip: creator?

Tia: yeah, kind of. On my planet we have slightly different beliefs. We believe in the goddess and we believe in the tree spirits and the water spirits and all different sorts of spirits.

Skip: hmmm.

Tia: but where I come from, the supreme being as you would say would be a goddess.

Skip: a goddess?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: okay, but she created all things?

Tia: all things. She created first and then she created everything else.

Skip: okay, all right.

Tia: the story goes that she was lonely and wanted companionship so she created lesser gods. And then the lesser gods were also lonely because they wanted things to play with and then they created our race, and the birds, and the antelope, and the trees, and the fungus's, and all sorts of things.

Skip: oh, okay.

Tia: and last of all they created the dogs.

Skip: hmm, all right. That answers my questions.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: thank you.

Tia: but in my research when I was studying religion when I first arrived here, it seems that every race has a supreme being. It doesn't matter if it's a male or female. I think it's interchangeable now. Male or female is whatever it wants to be to suit the environment.

Skip: yeah, I don't think that there's any gender per se......

Tia: no.

Skip: okay? I don't believe that there is.

Tia: yeah, the Sirians believe that it is a consciousness.

Skip: okay.

Tia: uh-huh, that we're all parts of, for want of a better word, a supreme being.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: that all our minds make up this supreme being.

Skip: I think we got the same basic belief.....

Tia: uh-huh.

To: as human beings because we're all children of the supreme being.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: okay?

Tia: yeah. I got into a theological discussion with a Sirian who is called a heretic, I think that's the correct phrase? And his comment was, "who created the creator?"

Skip: yeah, that would be a very profound question.

Tia: uh-huh. And we argued backwards and forwards that the creator was created himself.

Skip: came into being consciously.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: so it's a very deep philosophical and theological discussion to get involved in.

Skip: yeah, I agree. You could argue that one for days on end.

Tia: oh, we're still arguing it. He works for me, he's one of my best research analysts.

Skip: hmm, okay. Well like I say, you could discuss that for days on end.

Tia: yeah. Apparently he's not allowed back to Sirius because he's in disgrace because of his beliefs.

Skip: oh oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: oh oh. Well, it's just like, in this world people won't die for money but they'll sure die for religion.

Tia: uh-huh. Yes, even on my planet there were more wars caused by religions......

Skip: different faiths and religions....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: and any other possible.....

Tia: well we've had one basic religion on my home planet for about five hundred years......

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but there's all the different beliefs of that religion.

Skip: the spinoffs of it.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: yeah, I know what you're saying.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: we have the same thing here in the human race.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: we have so many spinoffs from the original faith......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: or original religion.......

Tia: yeah.

Skip: and everybody kind of........well not everybody, but a lot of people have interpreted for their own......

Tia: personal gain.

Skip: yeah, personal gain or their own way of believing, okay?

Tia: yeah.

Skip: maybe not personal gain per se but.........

Tia: well, studying your own religious background, you have your Christian God.....

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and then you have Islam that has another God.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and then you have Buddhism that has another God.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and they all teach love thy neighbor, unless of course he's a different religion.

Skip: by the way, even with all these different names for their gods....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: the basic concept of all these faiths kind of run parallel right from the beginning all the way down to the present day.

Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, they all have their basic.......

Skip: supreme being.........

Tia: yeah, their basic laws. Love thy neighbor, that shall not take somebody's life.

Skip: or steal.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: or bear false witness.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: or honor thy father and thy mother.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: in other words, all these things in almost every faith run kind of parallel. I don't know why.

Tia: yeah, one faith will go to war with another faith.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: it's very confusing.

Skip: because they're different.

Tia: yeah. It's the fear........I think it's your race's fear of being different.

Skip: yes. People are afraid of difference.

Tia: uh-huh. The wars that we had on our planet when the one religion was coming into being was more along the lines of territorial conquest.

Skip: oh.

Tia: and it took a lot of life and lots of people were killed and it was quite nasty.

Skip: that would be about the same thing that's going on in the Eastern world right now.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: with the Jewish faith....

Tia: yeah.

Skip: and the other faith's religion per se going on around them territorial wise, okay?

Tia: yeah.

Skip: it's about the same thing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: but anyhow, that's just kind of basically what I wanted to find out. I didn't want to get into a couple week discussion on this thing.

Tia: yeah, it can go for a long time.

Skip: yeah, right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: thank you.

Tia: you see, on my home planet I was training to be a priestess.

Skip: that's what I understood.

Tia: uh-huh. So it is kind of a thing that makes me very curious of different religions.

Skip: I just picked up a book from a lady friend of mine.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: that discusses all the human religions per se, okay?

Tia: yeah.

Skip: the ones that you mentioned plus quite a few others.

Tia: yeah, the nature of ones.

Skip: and that's how I picked up on the supreme being of each faith.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: plus the down the parallel line of the different things and different faiths that more or less correspond with each other. Like Buddhism has a prayer wheel and a rosary and they have a lady and child as a goddess and her child.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: and if you look at the Catholic faith, they pray to Mary Magdalene and Jesus which is her child.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: with rosary beads and that's kind of parallel right there.

Tia: yeah, oh there's lots of parallels.

Skip: even though the languages are different.

Tia: uh-huh. Makes one wonder if there was contact between the two in the early formative years.

Skip: well according to the author of this book......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: he believes that these are parallel in the sense that our supreme being, when they were building their Tower of Babel.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: he confused people's words so they couldn't understand each other so they couldn't continue to build this tower to reach the heaven.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: not per se for the simple reason of not reaching the heaven but for the simple reason that they were so preoccupied with building it that they had lost.....

Tia: contact.

Skip: their contact with the supreme being.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: so he confused the languages and yet they all came from the same source more or less, okay? So that their faiths and their languages run quite parallel in a lot of their legends and stories and backgrounds and so on and so forth.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: even though that they had spun off into different faiths.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh.

Skip: hmm, yeah, it's quite interesting, it's quite interesting.

Tia: yeah, I didn't know that story about the tower, have to look it up.

Skip: oh, the Tower of Babel?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: well, all people spoke the same language in Europe at one time.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: they decided amongst them that they would build this tower to reach the heaven to see God personally, okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: now, they concentrated on the construction of this tower so complete and absolute that they quit worshiping the supreme being.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: they lost their contact in prayers and so forth because they were so obsessed with building this tower. To stop this and put the people back on the right track more or less, this is why they call it the Tower of Babel, because the contractor or the architect couldn't understand the bricklayer because God confused their languages.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hey Skip......

Skip: yes.

Russ: hold on a second. I want to interject something real quickly.

Skip: go ahead.

Russ: I'm just kind of had a thought that maybe the Tower of Babel story is actually the solution of what actually took place really in history. In other words, what really took place in history that we've studied with Omal....

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: is that in Babylon, which is real close to Babel......

Skip: yeah, go ahead.

Russ: okay? They used to build what are called ziggurats. The ziggurats are basically tall pyramids....

Skip: okay.

Russ: or stepped pyramids with a square top on top.

Skip: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: and that's exactly what the Tower Babel has been portrayed as in the pictures I've seen of it. It was like a ziggurat only really tall.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: well what we studied is that in prehistory, there was a battle tween a couple of alien races in which a nuclear device was set off in Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Sinai Peninsula.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: and it could be that the story of Babel is actually a handed down version of what happened to Babylon.

Skip: it's possible. I hadn't......

Russ: it was early Babylon....

Skip: yeah.

Russ: before Babylon was rebuilt.

Skip: yes, yes, I know it was.

Russ: but in Sodom and Gomorrah about the same time and Babylon were all pretty much wiped out.

Skip: yeah. Now I haven't looked it up in the text, okay? The Bible itself.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: so I can't really give you an answer on your context of it, okay?

Russ: uh-huh, right.

Skip: I'll have to look it up in the Bible and see if that's the way they portray it, okay?

Tia: yeah, hmm.

Russ: well I'm thinking, boy.....

Skip: it's really close, yeah, it really is.

Russ: yeah, if something destroyed that particular tower that was just so destructive. It just wiped out everything around it.

Skip: well.....

Russ: I mean it wasn't like a huge blast, it was like a little baby nuke. And there's still radiation being found there.

Skip: okay......

Russ: in those areas.

Skip: from what I understand, it wasn't wiped out.

Tia: the people fled.

Skip: the people fled because they couldn't understand each other.

Russ: it might be that they didn't understand each other perhaps because of such devastation......

Skip: that could be too.

Russ: would maybe wipe out some hearing, take away various sight, ability to speak.

Skip: yeah, right.

Russ: sounds like things are handed down as the diluted version of what actually took place in history. Because Omal and I have discussed this....

Skip: yeah.

Russ: in other terms and it just clicked right now
when you're talking about Babel, Babylon, boy the two it just....

Skip: yeah, it's so close, it's really close. Well they call it the tower of Babel for the simple reason that when the words were confused between the people....

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: one person couldn't understand the other so they babbled, all right?

Russ: right.

Skip: like the cement masons couldn't understand the contractors or the architects or they couldn't understand the laborers or so on and so forth.

Russ: what if it's possibly a tale told by mothers to their children saying......or to preachers or ministers, elders whatever, teaching about the hazards of trying to reach to God's level?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: and they took a story that was actually factual but so far back and they turned it into something to make it into a lesson, the lesson made it into the Bible.

Skip: well now, okay according to as I understand it, okay? The Bible isn't man's recording, it's God's word.......

Russ: right.

Skip: okay? As I understand it okay? Is what I'm trying to stay.

Russ: right.

Skip: all the stories, all the words of the book are God's word given to man to record. But it's quite interesting.

Russ: I've got a Bible around here somewhere, you go ahead and go on with Tia and I'll see if I can't do a little bit more research while I'm working on it.

Skip: anyhow, sorry to open up that can of peas but....

Tia: oh that's all right.

Skip: I was just kind of curious. Uh-huh, I'll put on the next person and we'll work through the roster.

Skip: okay, go ahead.

Josh: I don't have anything.

Tia: no, nothing? What about you young man?

Tyrell: no.

Skip: you got no questions at all?

Tyrell: no.

Tia: none at all?

Tyrell: nope.

Judy: how do we control his anger Tia?

Tia: focus it, use it.

Skip: you want to elaborate a little bit?

Tia: uh-huh. What are you angry at Tyrell? What gets you angry?

Tyrell: a bunch of stuff.

Tia: a bunch of stuff, such as?

Tyrell: ummm, you stumped me.

Tia: I stumped you?

Tyrell: yep.

Tia: hmmm, you like to prove people wrong, don't you?

Tyrell: me?

Tia: uh-huh.

Tyrell: sometimes.

Tia: well, you can focus your anger into proving people wrong. People say that you can't do such a thing. Let's say, you can't get straight A's all the time. You want to prove them wrong? I'd bet you you can get straight A's if you put your mind to it. And the thing is with doing homework, is the quicker you get it done, the quicker you can get out and have fun. What do you want to be when you grow up?

Tyrell: a baseball player.

Tia: a baseball player, huh? Well, the thing is to focus that anger on hitting the ball. But you're not gonna be a baseball player forever, are you?

Tyrell: no.

Tia: what do you want to be after you're a baseball player? You want to be something great, right?

Tyrell: yeah.

Tia: what things are you interested in?

Tyrell: football.

Tia: football.

Tyrell: hockey.

Tia: hockey. So you're very interested in sports, huh?

Tyrell: yeah.

Tia: hmm. Well, so to be good at any sport, you've got to be able to do maths, right? You know, work out the arc of the ball. You see the ball coming towards you, right? You know where to hit it but you know how hard to hit it and how far you're going to hit it. That involves maths and physics. So, by studying maths and physics, you know how to play the game. Now, if they give you a book on the rules of the game and fitness and technique and so on, you've got to be able to read those rules very carefully. So therefore you need to learn your English very well. And by using your anger, right? You can focus it on being the best that you can be at being involved in sports. And the more you learn about sports, the more you know about it and the more you can tell people about it which teaches you confidence and how to be eloquent in communication. So by doing that you're focusing your anger on being the best player of any game that you want to play. So when you're angry, what you do is you remember that if you control your anger and focus on what you're doing, right? You can do a good job.

Tyrell okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Judy: now, if I could just get him to practice it.

Tia: uh-huh. I think he's big enough to realize that time's running out.

Skip: he will.

Tia: not going to be in school forever. And if you want to be something like..........Ruth, Baby Ruth?

Skip: yeah, Babe Ruth.

Tia: oh well, so I was a few letters off.

(Everyone laughs)

Judy: one letter.

Tia: one letter, hmmph. I don't read English very well. You want to be somebody like him that is remembered long after you're gone, you've got to learn how to focus that anger and use it. You've got to learn how to hit the ball just right so that it's hard for the people to catch. And when you hit the ball, you hit as hard you can with all the anger that you can so it goes flying great distances.

Skip: Tia?

Tia: uh-huh?

Skip: can I interject something here?

Tia: yeah, sure.

Skip: you wouldn't believe what kind of an artist this young man is.

Tia: oh, you're an artist as well, huh?

Tyrell: yeah.

Tia: hmmm, have you thought about being an architect? Building houses or drawing houses and getting people to build them for you?

Tyrell: no.

Tia: you see, when you've finished playing baseball you've got to have another trade. You can't live off the money that you made as a baseball player. That's going to disappear so you've got to learn all sorts of things. You can build the house that's like a baseball diamond. You could build the house that's got all the key parts of baseball. I don't know what they are but I'm sure that you could translate them into building something. Or you could become whatever you want to be. But the thing is that you have to focus your anger where you want to be in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, 25 years. Anyway, I've gone on enough time, I've got to put on the experts.

Skip: you're in rare form tonight.

Tia: oh yeah.

Skip: you going to check out on us for a while?

Tia: yeah, I'm going to, I'm gonna go off and do some research.

Skip: okay.

(Omal is on to answer questions from the group)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Skip.

Skip: good evening Sir.

Omal: greetings young man, greetings young lady, greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay.....

Skip: how are you doing Omal?

Omal: I'm doing fine, and yourself?

Skip: great, but I'm getting better.

Omal: good. Okay, I'm here to answer questions.

Skip: okay, are you the one that's.....

Omal: ahhh, that is Karra.

Skip: oh, okay. All right, never mind.

Omal: healer extraordinaire so I have been told you could say.

Skip: okay, I'll pass on you then.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, we're doing a discussion on the Bible, Omal.

Omal: uh-huh, I was paying full attention.

Russ: okay, here's something I want to interject here then real quick.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, in the chapter before the Tower of Babel which is Genesis ten? It describes the nations descended from Noah....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: chapter ten, verse ten.........actually I'll take verse nine......he was talking about Kush beget Nimrod and he began to become a mighty one on earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord therefore it was said like Nimrod, the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel and Kelnick in the land of Shinar.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: then you went over to Chapter eleven and it says, "now the whole earth have one language and one speech". And they said to one another, "come, let's make and bake bricks" and they made bricks for stone and the asphalt for mortar. And they said, "let us build us a city with a tower whose top is in the heaven". And the Lord looked down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, "indeed the people are one and they all have one language and this is what they begin to do. Come, let us go down there and there confuse the language that they may not understand one another's speech". The Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, therefore its name is called Babel because there the Lord confused the languages of the earth and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the earth.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Russ: but I get the feeling from reading the two different chapters that there is a time lapse......

Omal: yes.

Russ: that takes place.

Omal: quite the time lapse.

Russ: quite a time lapse. Now we know, most people that we're talking about here are descendants from the fall of Atlantis.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay?

Omal: hence the one language.

Russ: hence the one language, Sirian.

Omal: dialect.

Russ: dialect of Sirian.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now, if we were discussing the, the nuclear blast that we were discussing before in past sessions......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and this is one of the places where that happened, then that would scatter people because they wouldn't want to be anywhere near where this came about.

Omal: correct. And it would be taken as an act of a deity.

Russ: a deity, correct. And the same thing with with Sodom and Gomorrah....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: it would be taken as an act of the deity and I mean scientists have shown that a nuclear blast, though low in radiation, is very possible for the same affect that took place in Sodom and Gomorrah and caused those things to happen.

Omal: you have to remember that the technology difference between then and now is quite different. A nuclear device could be of quite a small size and if it is refined and cleaned enough before being used, it does not deliver a high yield in radioactive.....

Russ: yeah, we use dirty nuclear's, right?

Omal: correct.

Russ: and there it could've been a real clean nuclear reaction.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so it sounds like what it is is that these are.......

Omal: describing the side effects from a blast. The Tower of Babel is a metaphor for a projected goal. A union to rebuild and it said, a city.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: to rebuild what once was. And most cities of that time did have a very high point in them. A point where they could worship a higher deity. But unfortunately, any person of military knowledge will inform you that you build something high, it is visible from a great distance. Whether it is from the ground or from the air, it is visible for quite a distance so therefore it becomes a target. And rival factions from other places will take the opportunity to disable the ability or the error. Also the towers that they built at that time were a little bit like your communication masts that you have but on a much vaster scale with their own power source.

Russ: sort of like the Great Pyramid but on a smaller scale.

Omal: correct, and narrower but higher.

Russ: and narrower but higher, correct. Kind of like a airport tower you might say.

Omal: kind of.

Russ: right. Now how about the correlation between the name Babylon and Babel?

Omal: it is a translation error.

Russ: how so?

Omal: you have to remember that the translations from the various languages of your Bible from its original conception until the present day has been translated how many times? At least five I believe.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: in words you get change.

Russ: I see. Now with the people being scattered, their own languages would develop from that point, correct?

Omal: correct, yes. Also damage done by a nuclear blast would maybe necessarily confuse the brainwave patterns of individuals and affect their speech patterns.

Russ: well that's a point I hadn't thought of.

Skip: hmmm.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: so there would be an instantaneous damaging for some people and those people would be unable to communicate with people of the same language but now it has become a different language.

Russ: what about genetic differences taking place after such a blast, anything?

Omal: certainly, there would be genetic differences occurring. There would be mutations due to the low radiation yield but genetic deviations would occur.

Russ: so in other words, it wouldn't be like where you made a nuclear blast now, people are like falling apart.

Omal: no, but there would be disruptions of.....

Russ: because their DNA would be significantly altered compared to what it was prior to the blast.

Omal: not significantly....

Russ: oh.

Omal: but enough to rewrite the DNA in their personal codes systems of the body.

Russ: so that would show up in different physical traits, correct?

Omal: correct.

Russ: so people going from that point would not only speak differently but they would look differently......

Omal: eventually, yes.

Russ: eventually, correct. So we're talking about a long time lapse here.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see.

Omal: there are hints in your Bible of longevity.

Russ: well yeah, just after that it talks about guys living two hundred plus years.

Skip: well, even six hundred years plus.

Russ: well before that. Before the Tower of Babylon it was six or seven hundred years. After the tower Babylon it was two hundred years.

Skip: well Moses lived six hundred years.

Russ: right. But that's prior to the Tower wait.

Skip: no, that was.......

Russ: yeah, afterwords.

Skip: that was afterwords because he was in Egypt and he took his people out of Egypt.

Russ: that's right, that's right.

Skip: he parted the Red Sea.

Russ: so that could be one of the strains that weren't maybe affected as much?

Omal: it's possible.

Skip: that could be, that could be.

Russ: okay.

Skip: in excess of six hundred years.

Omal: there are people that are recorded in your Bible living longer.

Skip: yes there are.

Russ: okay, so in other words, our shortened lifespans could be perhaps a byproduct of these explosions but....

Omal: there are other contributing factors for the shortening of the lifespan.

Russ: true.

Skip: yeah. And now that we're becoming aware of our environments, our lifespans are starting to increase again. I think that the average lifespan in the 14th century was something like thirty-five years.

Omal: that is about correct.

Russ: but the early Hebrews and other people in that land especially back in Genesis time........

Skip: yeah.

Russ: knew more about locust and honey and..........

Skip: yeah, right. Time progressed, people lost that so their lifespans started to shorten.

Russ: right.

Skip: now, they're getting back to it. We're starting to expand out our lifespan again through medication, through the taking care of the human body and taking care the environment and so on and so forth.

Russ: now a lot of healing techniques were carried off from Atlantis, correct?

Omar correct.

Russ: some were left in Egypt.

Omal: a surprising high percentage of healers survived Atlantis.

Russ: hmm. But unfortunately, most of the information they carried was either passed word-of-mouth or held on scrolls.

Omal: correct.

Russ: none of which would survive to the present day except.....

Omal: unfortunately no.

Russ: correct. So it could be that the longevity also could be contributed to a higher healing skill that....

Skip: this is possible. Because we're getting more education now....

Russ: right.

Skip: than you had in the 14th century, or the 13th, or 12th century, you know what I'm saying.

Russ: right.

Skip: we're getting better educated. More conscientious of what's going on around us rather than being a small island of every family.

Russ: right. It's almost as if we're coming back together again, doesn't it?

Skip: yeah, it seems.......

Russ: especially with the Internet that I'm going back onto.

Skip: yeah, we're getting back to correspondence with other people rather than being an island by ourselves.

Russ: right.

Skip: by expanding your consciousness like this by being in contact with other people, you're learning more faster than ever before.

Russ: true, exponentially Omal, we're like growing in leaps and bounds, aren't we?

Omal: yes, you are learning rather rapidly. Sometimes it is alarming on how much you do learn. But in comparison with the elapsed time from one race to another, it is surprisingly slow.

Skip: well yeah, but to our short terms of lifespan, it's very swift.

Omal: yes.

Skip: because in my generation which I'm considered an older person in human years, okay? To this young man here, he's learned more in his eleven years that I have learned in probably in twenty. But anyhow, what I'm trying to say is the younger generation now is learning so much more, so much quicker than we did.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: in my time. I say my time, I'm talking about my generation.

Russ: yeah, of course.

Skip: my generation was kind of a self-centered family orientated generation where you didn't go outside of that. You didn't have that much contact with other people or other races or anything else. Now these young people that's coming up now, they've got contact with everybody.

Russ: more extended.

Skip: yes it is. Way more extended. Because my grandfather never got over fifty miles away from his own property in his whole lifespan and that was eighty-five years.

Russ: so Omal, where is this all leading to then if what......?

Omal: it is leading to a time when races will start to come together as one. You already have a area where races are unifying.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: where other parts of the world they're tearing themselves apart. But it is a process that will go on throughout the whole entire planet. There are factors coming into play that will slow down which is necessary as if you into the world too quickly you spoil it. So by having a dissolution of societies and races, may in actual fact benefit because it pulls those people that are intelligent enough together to achieve a common goal. It is almost like the Tower of Babel. A projected engineering, a process to achieve a goal.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: and things that are hurried are normally made a mistake of.

Russ: would you consider let's say the Internet as being sort of our Tower of Babel then?

Omal: it could be.

Russ: I mean because people speak with one language thanks to the ability of computers to be able to just translate instantaneously words from one language. Like I could speak to Japan. They could be typing in Japanese, I'm typing in English but we both understand each other's languages.

Omal: correct. It is the same sort of process. It is a project which has been many thousands of years in the works.

Russ: hmm, is this taking us back then to the Atlantean roots from whence it all sprang?

Omal: that is possible. Remember, we're talk in cycles.

Russ: oh yeah, that's right. We're talking about the one goal that we set forth from Sirius.

Omal: uh-huh. To achieve a utopia.

Russ: correct.

Skip: okay, would this possibly be a goal of putting us into space to explore other worlds?

Omal: returning to space would be a better word.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Omal: returning back to space.....

Skip: oh, okay, all right. But what I'm trying to say is by unifying......
Omal: yes, that would be the perfect objective. To reunify and to reachieve and reestablish the contact that you once had.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: that would be neat, that would really be neat.

Omal: and that is where you as a engineer come into play, Skip. Maybe not this time around.

Skip: I'd love to. Oh goodness gracious, I'd love to.

Omal: maybe you should write down some of your dreams of engineering that you have had.

Skip: oh, I'd love to go back to space. I really would Omal.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: it would just tickle me right down to the ground.

Omal: okay, let us continue.

Russ: okay, anybody else?

Skip: this is quite interesting tonight, it really is. I guess I opened a can of peas, I'm sorry about that.

Russ: that's where our best sessions come from. It's just off the top of our heads.

Skip: oh man, but this is really super interesting tonight, thank you Omal, I appreciate it.

Omal: you're welcome.

Russ: now Johnny had a question about nuclear testing that China and France are doing and where that is leading right now?

Omal: that is one of those factors that throws a insect into the ointment. At the moment they are little insects but if they are not controlled carefully and monitored carefully, they can be very detrimental.

Russ: hence the whole process we're talking about.

Omal: correct. Because they are not clean for one thing.

Russ: correct.

Omal: secondly, they are done in ill-conceived areas. Thirdly, it is creating friction which will accelerate the process that we have discussed in the past.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: those countries now have become un-trusted which is the problem of reunification. That that cannot happen until everybody trusts everybody else.

Skip: that's a big step.

Omal: yes. It is a very big step and a very necessary one.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: there are other uses for nuclear devices than blowing each other up.

Skip: well, we have power plants today in this country and several other countries around the world......

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: that..........




(Omal returns and the subject at hand)

Skip: at least I would say probably 60% of us are trying to use atomic energy for peaceful purposes.

Omal: uh-huh. But there is another step from the atomic power plant that you can use.

Russ: you mean fusion?

Omal: that is a step, yes.

Skip: Omal, I got a question. I need to change the subject here just a minute if you don't mind, please.

Omal: yes.

Skip: okay, they have been talking for I think about ten years, maybe a little longer than that, about building what they call a collider.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: now this is a huge underground system to collide atomic energy as I understand, now maybe I'm wrong, for some other use rather than energy or blowing people up.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: is this correct?

Omal: that is correct.

Skip: now what is a collider?

Omal: it is where atoms of a radioactive level are collided at high velocity to create an explosion which can be harnessed and used. And it does dovetail with the conversation very nicely actually because next step on the power level, it creates enough energy for fusion and if you use fusion as an engine, what can you do?

Russ: you power the world with clean nuclear energy.

Skip: well, now wait a minute, is there way of harnessing it to put it in a container so that we can use it for rockets.....

Omal: yes, exactly.

Skip: to get off of Earth's surface?

Omal: correct.

Skip: is there a way to harness this and put it in a container?

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh yes, most definitely.

Skip: because atomic energy won't do it the way we're using it now.....

Omal: no.

Skip: in watercooled heater rods.

Omal: no, that would not work.

Skip: that doesn't work for rocket engines. There is no way that you can use that system or application for a rocket engine. But if there's a way to harness fusion to put in a container would I say that?

Russ: you can use it into a smaller.......

Skip: a better application than the water.......

Russ: you would have to build it in space.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you couldn't build it here on earth and send it up. You'd have to build it in space and it would have to launch from the space station. Let's say the one they're building.

Skip: okay, all right. They haven't started that yet, they still got that on the planning board or whatever.

Omal: I believe it is projected for '97.

Russ: yes it is.

Skip: it is?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh, oh absolutely.

Skip: they started?

Russ: the last shuttle flight that they just did, did a lot of experiments that were based on enabling space astronauts for working for long extended periods while in space. The new spacesuits are they just developed.

Skip: oh well great.

Russ: that was one of the main keys for this last shuttle mission.

Skip: well super.

Omal: maybe I should put on the engineer herself.

Skip: well no, no, that's okay Omal. We're having a ball with you, believe me.

Omal: I believe it would be enhanced by putting on the engineer.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: okay, all right and it's been nice talking to you.

Omal: it's been nice talking to you.

Russ: farewell Omal.

Omal: farewell. Live long, prosper, and I'll be back.

Skip: thank you.

Omal: I believe the young man will appreciate that comment.

Skip: I'm sure he does.

(Tia comes to switch speakers)

Tia: I suppose I better hustle and put on the engineer.

Skip: good evening darling.

Tia: I'll be back.

(Kiri is in to answer questions)

Skip: she's orchestrating this tonight, huh?

Russ: yeah, tonight.

Skip: okay, all right.

Russ: hi Kiri, what up love?

Kiri: yo, I'm here. Okay, business time, huh? Engineering.

Russ: tell us all about it sweetheart.

Skip: good evening Kiri.

Kiri: seems like I've been given a blue light.

Skip: no, you been given a green light.

Russ: green light darling.

Kiri: hmpphh, blue on our planet.

Skip: okay. All right, okay.

(Kiri sighs in jest)

Kiri: propulsion systems. Okay, a random propulsion system powered by a cold fusion reaction fired at a steady stream will give you a velocity approaching quarter lightspeed which will take you how many years to travel four light-years, quarter speed?

Russ: take you......

Skip: sixteen years.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay, that's as fast as you can travel safely without having other devices to stabilize the molecule constructions of the occupants and the vessel itself. Okay, now, if you take a reaction of a nuclear system and you create the power necessary to can use nuclear reactors in space. They're the power source to create the necessary chemical reaction but not directly. They're like the battery of your.....

Russ: car.

Kiri: car. They're the electrical supply for the reaction. After all, your car doesn't really need an electrical device to make it go, doesn't it?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: you could use heated bits of metal to create the explosion. Very inefficient but it does work and that's what you're headed for in space is a explosion that is focused and therefore propels a vessel. You see, you don't need a continuous power source. You don't need it putting out power all the time because in space in zero gravity there is no friction whatsoever. You could have something like this traveling in this direction you don't have to worry about friction because there is no air, there is nothing to create friction.

Russ: in other words, you could fire a rifle and the bullet would travel until it hit something.

Kiri: correct and it will keep going. And it's the same with creating an explosion. You have to focus the explosion away or in the opposite direction of your projected target and it has to be strong enough to create the necessary speed. So, what do you use a nuclear reactor for is for the ignition system. You use cold fusion for the power source for the engine, not the ignition system.

Russ: there's no environmental danger because in space you have nuclear energy going around you all the time from various stars.......

Kiri: that's correct, that's correct.

Russ: so a nuclear explosion in space is not going to affect anything whatsoever.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and there is fuel all around you in space as well.

Russ: hydrogen atoms you said?

Kiri: correct. So what you use is a chemical or a mixture of chemicals which are very volatile and create a explosion that is focused. But you need the nuclear reactor to create the right circumstances to ignite the chemicals that are to be detonated.

Russ: so you're talking about two reactors basically?

Kiri: basically, yeah.

Russ: one hot, one cold.

Kiri: uh-huh and that's as far as I can tell you without getting into deep trouble.

Skip: yes, yes, I figured that.

Kiri: yeah, I could tell you how to build an engine that you wouldn't need a nuclear reaction at all.

Russ: yeah, we know about those.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I do anyway.

Kiri: and what do you think you know?

(Skip laughs again)

Russ: being as I've seen one.

Kiri: yeah, but do you know how they really work?

Russ: I've got a pretty good idea and we discussed it before. I've got the tape that tells you all about it.

Kiri: yes, but I've left out some very key parts.

Russ: true, but those could be figured out.

Kiri: uh-uh.

Russ: if you say so darling. You know more than I do on the subject.

Kiri: oh thank you. I'm glad you remember that.

(Russ chuckles)

Skip: but then, from what Omal said......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: fusion can be harnessed into a container.

Kiri: yes.

Skip: hmmm.

Kiri: it is a little bit like your rocket systems. You have a fuel tank, right, like this?

Skip: yeah, right, right.

Kiri: you have another one below it, you have a pipe coming down from this side and a pipe from this side coming to a chamber where it's ignited.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: it's a little bit like that. That is the storage area right here where the explosion happens.

Skip: yes.

Kiri: the chemicals are mixed together but they will not explode until the right proportion happens.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so by having the right mixture in the right proportion, you have the power supply right there. That is the container that Omal is wanting.

Skip: okay, all right. Okay, I got you. All right, now I understand what you're saying.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay, thank you, I appreciate that. I don't want to get you into trouble so.....

Kiri: oh, that's quite all right.

Skip: so we'll leave it at that, okay?

Kiri: yeah, because I can get very technical because we can actually do away with these two here.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and we can substitute them for an inlet here and a direct reaction from here.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay, but I guess I don't want to get you in hot water.

Kiri: oh that's quite all right, that's quite all right.

Skip: oh.

Kiri: I'm used to being in hot water.

Skip: yeah, but that's not fair.

Kiri: no, true, true. Often as not I put myself into trouble.

Skip: yeah, I know. It still isn't fair.

Kiri: but back to chemical reactions in a vessel with the technology that you have.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: you have your nuclear reactor, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you have your collider which is powered by the nuclear reactor. The collider creates the energy supply and the inlet for the reaction to occur with the outside inlet.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay, that in turn creates a very unstable condition which explodes.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: when that explodes with the correct angles and deflections for the explosion, you have the explosion going this way and the vessel going this way.

Skip: uh-huh, huh-huh.

Kiri: the stronger the explosion and the stronger the containment field, right?

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: the tighter the stream that comes out which pushes the vessel away. The tighter the stream the faster it goes.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: ideally, you would have a chamber let's say the size of this room, right?

Skip: uh-huh, yeah.

Kiri: and you'd have an outlet hole this big.

Skip: about an eight inch outlet port.

Kiri: yeah, about eight inches.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: that would be about three units of our measurement. And it has to be precise and detailed. Too big, and you waste too much energy. Too small and it blows itself to pieces.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: it has to be spot on.

Skip: yes.

Kiri: and having an interior that is highly polished again helped to focus the energy......

Skip: okay.

Kiri: and that's where the angles come into play. I can't tell you the angles because that would take the experience of learning out of the formula.

Skip: yes, yes, I understand.

Kiri: so by doing it that way, you have a propelling system that will give you the maximum amount of energy yield and thrust that is necessary to propel a vessel of whatever size that you want over a distance.
But you cannot approach anywhere closer than one quarter lightspeed.

Skip: because it will start tearing tearing the molecules up, you'll start melting your molecules?

Kiri: correct, you'll start breaking down to a molecular level.

Skip: yeah, you're starting to actually melting everything away.

Kiri: yeah, and also traveling at that without curving or bending space, you start to experience problems with time as well.

Skip: yeah, I.....

Kiri: the closer you reach the speed of light, the less time that is expelled for the person in the vessel.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: for example.....

Skip: okay, in other words, you're saying you're traveling the speed of quarter light-year.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that would take you sixteen years to travel four light-years.

Kiri: uh-huh, correct.

Skip: but your aging process.....

Kiri: would be slowed down by one quarter.

Skip: yeah. So you would age less than four years.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: in the sixteen years you travel.

Kiri: correct. The best way to look at it is that clock up there, right? You are traveling at the speed of light, right? And that clock says, what? Twenty after the hour?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: traveling at the speed of light, that's what it would say forever to you until you stop traveling at that speed.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay, now let's say that you traveling at half speed speed of light, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, the clock will go half as fast to you as it does for everybody else.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the observer in the field that is traveling at half the speed of light will see things being streaked, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: people will move and half the speed that they're moving at.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so you can get up and walk along the whole entire length of the room and a person walking at the same speed will only travel half the distance.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Russ: in other words, you go sixteen light-years and you age one year.

Skip: no, you age four.

Russ: four.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because you going one quarter.

Russ: oh, right.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: so by traveling four light-years in your perception, you're actually traveling sixteen.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: okay?

Russ: but the nearest star that's habitable would be the Alpha Centauri.

Kiri: Alpha Centauri's is a little bit iffy. You could inhabit it, yes.

Russ: I mean a planet within four light-years.

Kiri: oh, yes.

Skip: how far are we from Alpha Centauri?

Kiri: actually at the moment about three point nine.

Russ: yeah.

Skip: 3.9....

Kiri: light-years.

Skip: light-years?

Kiri: uh-huh. That is your nearest habitable planet. Sirius? No, there's not a habitable planet there anymore. Not your dimension anyway.

Skip: no, okay. All right, okay.

Russ: still, who needs it? That's twice the distance, we don't have to go that far. We can merely go to Centauri.

Kiri: you might go there for the ruins.

Skip: a little bit of digging, huh?

Kiri: yeah, with a high radiation suit.

Russ: oh, no digging's necessary, it's right there on the surface.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: not that you'd actually want to go visit it.

Kiri: no, because in the third dimension it's a hot, radioactive wasteland.

Skip: hmm, okay.

Kiri: in your skin you would last probably maybe twenty seconds?

Russ: very nice in the sixth dimension though.

Kiri: uh-huh. In a spacesuit I would give you about a minute. You'd have to use a very high radiation resistant suit to spend any time there and then you'd have to spend a long time being decontaminated.

Russ: we wouldn't need to, just send down probes.

Kiri: yes, but what you bring back is going to be radioactive.

Skip: you'd have to decontaminate it.

Russ: bring back pictures? I mean just set it down and broadcast from there.

Kiri: uh-huh. But radioactivity does affect transmission of information.

Russ: heavily shielded maybe.

Kiri: it'd have to be tightly focused.

Skip: that's quite a deal.

Kiri: uh-huh. So, if you can run experiments on creating a focused explosion that is let out of an outlet, then you might be up for a Nobel Prize in your physics department.

Skip: well, I won't do that in my time.

Kiri: oh yeah?

Skip: oh yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Dovetails with what my sister's going to talk about.

(Skip burst out laughing)

Skip: my time is just about done..

Kiri: no it's not, uh-uh. I'll let my sister handle that in a few minutes. Your time is just beginning.

Skip: what do you mean my time's just beginning? What's all this?

Kiri: I'll let my sister cover that.

Skip: okay. Are you the one to ask about this......

Kiri: my sister and myself will be working together. I'm going to be supplying the mobility while she does the brain work.

Skip: okay, all right, okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. And she's sitting down getting ready at the moment.

Skip: all right.

Kiri: we're going to enlarge the field in a few minutes.

Skip: okay. I was just kinda curious. I just didn't know who I was going to have to talk to.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: to find out what the heck's going on with me. I do have my problems.

Kiri: oh yeah. But there's a little bit of it right there I think.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. But in the meantime, do you have any questions, guys?

Skip: Tyrell?

Tyrell: no.

Skip and Kiri: Judy?

Judy: no.

Skip: are you sure?

Kiri: oh, come on, you got questions.

Judy: my mind's blank.

Skip: well, we got into some pretty heavy conversations.

Kiri: oh, you think this is heavy? You ought to hear the conversations I have with a couple of my lab assistants.

Skip: I don't usually get into this real heavy, heavy.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I'm usually pretty quiet.

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh. But physics is very important. Especially astrophysics and engineering, combining the two. Most people don't realize that astrophysics and engineering go hand-in-hand.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: I mean, back on my home planet when I was attending our learning institutes, as an engineer, I spent a lot of time learning physics.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: for example, gravity works.

Skip: yes it does.

Kiri: but I bet you I can reverse that.

Skip: I'm sure you could.

Kiri: uh-huh. I'd just create a magnetic energy field that has a resonance between the two that keeps it balanced in the middle.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: very simple physics.

Skip: I just wish I could tack on some more of my memory to help me along in this life but.....

Kiri: yeah, all's you need to do is tap into the right one and you're set for the next hundred years.

Skip: well, I just can' eludes me. It isn't that I can't, it eludes me.

Kiri: maybe you're not thinking in the right avenues?

Skip: that's possible.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well I do know one thing, I'm getting very disgusted with myself about my procrastination.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it's getting to be an obsession.

Kiri: yes. Okay, we're going to link minds. Big sis is ready.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: yeah, she says she's ready. We're gonna set Mark's body up in a sitting position.

Skip: and play with the pussycat.

Kiri: not as bad as Tia does.

Skip: okay.

(Karra takes over with the help of Kiri)

Karra: greetings.

Skip: good evening.

Karra: good evening, how's it going? Yes we know. Okay, here we go. Psychoanalyst time.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay, now, you mentioned that you have a disgust of not achieving your goal.

Skip: that's correct.

Karra: right, you have a great fear of that. Also, you made comments earlier on whilst I was arriving about not having long.

Skip: not having what?

Karra: not having long left.

Skip: oh, yeah.

Karra: you have a long time left. You're going to try to outlive your father that lived to eighty-five, right?

Skip: that was my grandfather.

Karra: grandfather.

Skip: yeah, I have no idea about my father, okay?

Karra: you're going to outlive him. Put your mind to it and you're going to outlive him. And you're going to focus on being active, okay?

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now, it seems to me having to listened to you on the telephone and from talking here and my sister and Tia talk to you, that you have a fear of age. How old are you?

Skip: sixty-two.

Karra: how old do you feel?

Skip: oh, forty-five.

Karra: we can do better than that.

Skip: no, I'm serious, I'm dead serious, okay?

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, well first of all what we've got to do is we've got to get you focusing again because you're not focused properly, are you?

Skip: uh-uh.

Karra: okay, I believe on the telephone they discussed setting goals........

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: objectives, okay?

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Karra: right, we're going to set a new objective tonight, right?

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay, we're going to set an objective for you to relax, to unwind. But this business of yours, you can't do it if you're not focused or relaxed, can you?

Skip: I don't believe so.

Karra: okay, what we want you to do is tonight when you get home is to sit with your legs crossed like we have Mark's legs sitting.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: okay? Pick a point on the wall, close your eyes and visualize that point.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: think of nothing else and just feel yourself breathing and focusing on that point. Put your hands like this.....

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: and go....

(Karra breathes deeply)

Karra: just like that.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: okay? And think of nothing. Just imagine that point on the wall.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay. And when you're thinking of nothing, listen to your heart, listen to yourself breathing and keep visualizing. Those are the three things that we want you to do.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay, now that will get you relaxed. Now, once you have achieved being relaxed, what we want you to do is write down the first thing that comes into your head. The following night we want you to do the same thing. It doesn't matter if it's only five or ten minutes, ten minutes would be perfect. Five minutes would be acceptable.

Skip: okay.

Karra: just pick a point, breathe, and listen to your heart. And then on the second night doing the same thing, we want you to write down a person that comes into your head and label it day one, day two. On the third day we want you to do the same thing but don't look at the first two days. When you write it down, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: the person that comes into your mind, you put it in an envelope, you put it face down somewhere, put a weight on top of it and then you put day two down on top of that one and day three and we'll do this for five days.

Skip: okay.

Karra: right? First thing that comes into your head. And you'll see from day one to day five a difference in the person that you think of.

Skip: okay.

Karra: right? That is focusing.

Skip: all right.

Karra: that will be focusing on the one thing, okay? And, as you focus and become relaxed, the fear will go away. Fear is a tool to be used. Tia talks about using anger as a tool, fear can also be used as a tool.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay? Now, also it seems that you have a fear of failure, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: now, the next time that you have that panic attack say, "hey, it doesn't matter, I will face the fear. I will turn around and I will see the fear coming at me and the fear I will spit on. I spit at its eye and laugh at it". And when you feel that coming on think of something funny. Make yourself laugh and that fear will just go (poof) gone. Okay, now do you have some questions so far?

Skip: no, you answered them for me.

Karra: okay. Now, back to the fear again and using it. If you look at the fear, right? You know what the face of fear is?

Skip: it's within myself, I know that.

Karra: uh-huh. I know what the face of my fear is and it's my face.

Skip: well, I think my failure is probably my biggest fear....

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: because that's all done all my life.

Karra: you've never failed. Tell me one thing that you have failed at.

Skip: well, I'm not rich and famous.

Karra: rich and famous, what does that achieve? People coming to you and calling you at all hours of the night?

Skip: they do that anyway.

Karra: I'll tell you a story that Kiri told me.

Skip: go ahead.

Karra: okay, she heard that this gentleman phoned Carl Sagan at 2 o'clock in the morning and he goes, "Mr. Sagan, what is the theory on time travel?" And Mr. Sagan goes, "you know what time it is?" And the guy goes, "yes, it's 2 o'clock in the morning". And Carl Sagan goes, "why do you want to know this?" And he goes, "well, I want to know it right now" and Mr. Sagan goes, "that's not the question, why do you want to know this?" And he goes, "I want to know what is the theory of time travel, I want to know right now". Carl Sagan goes, "why do you want to know right now?" And the person on the phone that was in a bar and run said, "because in the morning I won't care" and that's what failure is, okay? So at the moment, it upsets you but tomorrow, why care about it? A failure is something to learn from. It is somewhere to head to. If you fail, you know why you failed.

Skip: I don't know, I don't even know why I failed. All I know is that I just prodded through life, mediocre all my life.

Karra: no you haven't, you have been a great success, more than you realize. Look around you, look at these people that are with you. If you were a failure, would they be with you?

Skip: well, I can't really answer that either.

Karra: uh-huh. I will point out a failure to you. There's a gentleman on the corner of a street that you go past every morning, right? His clothes are dirty, his beard is unwashed, his hair is yellow with dirt. I believe he sleeps in a hotel that is paid for by the government. The person drinks a lot. He has failed in his purpose as a human being. You haven't failed at all, you have a house. You have a family, you have good friends. You may think that you failed, you may have set yourself goals which are impossible but who wants to be rich and famous?

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: talking to somebody that is rich, I'm not rich in money but spiritually I am rich. Yes Russ?

Russ: you are too rich.

Karra: we don't own the land, we only live on it. The land belongs to all the people.

Russ: yes, but you administer the land.

Karra: that's right and that is the burden of being rich.

Russ: correct.

Karra: but the most richest person on your planet is the person that has peace and harmony.

Judy: in other words, it's not monetary value.

Karra: monetary value? You can take that away and you can burn it. After all, you can't live off of it, can you?

Skip: and then I have another question to ask you.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: why has so many people abandoned me in my life?

Karra: people go on to different things all the time. If I was to say all the people that I grew up with when I was a young girl and all the people that I served with when I was in the defense force, lots of those people have left me, I don't keep in contact with them. But the people that are friends are always there. Acquaintances, whether they live with us, whether they are people at work or family members, they all leave at one time or another. But the thing is to remember that they're always with us in here.

Skip: that's just the problem, they're in there too hard.

Karra: remember really the fun times. Everybody goes at one time or another. My mother, I was very fond of her and she made a choice that she had to leave. She did something very brave but yet very foolish and she had to leave, she had to go away

Russ: darling?

Karra: uh-huh?

Russ: what about your ex? Did he make a choice?

Karra: yes, he made a choice to save my life.

Russ: so, how can you be sad about that?

Karra: I'm not sad about it.

Russ: so then why can't I play that song?

(The Grateful Dead's "He's Gone")

Karra: because it's still a deep wound.

Russ: I know darling, I was just wondering.

Karra: it's something that is hard to talk about.

Russ: I know.

Skip: yes.

Karra: but it is something that when I close my eyes and I think about it......

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: I smile. I remember him in my arms as he said goodbye. And I remember the look on his face and he still had a complete, whole face, that smile was of peace and contentment. But, he's gone, he'll be back one day.

Skip: I can't say that.

Karra: are you sure you can't say that?

Skip: yeah.

Karra: people are reborn all the time, you'd be surprised. But the thing to remember is that one day, you will be with them and as long as they're in here they're not gone. They'll never be gone. My ex-husband is always in here. All's I have to do is close my eyes and I remember his smile, I remember his practical jokes, I remember him singing.

Skip: is there that much hurt in there?

Karra: sometimes hurt can be a good reminder, very good reminder. It's painful, certainly, but it's that pain that keeps us going. And besides, those people that come into one's life briefly and are gone again, we've helped them. Whether or not it is good or bad, we helped them, Whether they learn, that's up to them but we've helped them. And we're never really alone, there's always people around. I mean you've always got Russ, you got Judy, you got Tyrell, you got Mark, are they going to leave you?

Skip: I can't even see that.

Karra: no, I don't think they're not going to leave you. They may move out of the house but you'll always be their Skip. You'll always be there for them and they will always be there for you. You may fight with them but fighting is a part of learning, fighting's a part of growing. We fight, don't we?

Russ: constantly.

Karra: uh-huh. And I'm pretty sure Mark, Tia and Kiri fight. Kiri says yes, she does fight with Mark.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: and that is part of growing, those are the people that we fight with that are always around. I fight with Kiri frequently. Mainly over clothing apparel but they are always there and we're never alone. The person who is alone is deluding themselves. The person that thinks that he has no friends is again deluding himself. Even that guy that you pass every morning that stands on the street corner, he has friends. He may be failing at what he's trying to do and no longer care but do you really want to go down his road?

Skip: no, I don't want to go down that road.

Karra: so, are you really alone, are you really a failure?

Skip: no, it's just bothering me that the panic kept coming up inside me. I've never been panicked, never, in my whole life.

Karra: not even when you were under fire?

Skip: no, that was total terror, that wasn't panic.

Karra: that's the next stage on.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: but you see, you overcame that so you can overcome something that isn't as bad quite easily.

Judy: can I help him?

Karra: uh-huh. Let it out Skip, Judy's offered to help you. I let out my hurt from time to time, don't I Russ?

Russ: oh yeah. Yeah, mine's a little blue period.

Karra: uh-huh. Everybody sheds water from their eyes from time to time, let it out. That sometimes is the strongest release.

Skip: hmm..

Karra: but remember to laugh at it afterwards.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: and Judy, as for helping Skip, I think you know the questions to ask to bring it out because it does take two to heal. But, you can help him pull out the hurt because once the hurt is gone he will be healed. He will be Skip of old, confident, strutting down the street. But there is no fear, the fear something to be used, to look at. If I had a mirror I would show you the face of fear.

Skip: hmm, okay.

Karra: if you remember that the face of fear wears the face that you see in the mirror.........

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: then there's nothing to be afraid of.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: failure is not failure so you can't be afraid of failure because total failure you learn nothing. And I bet when you think you failed that you learned something so therefore it's not failure.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: and that's the thing to remember. And as for people leaving you all the time, there's always other people coming along and they never really leave you, they're always in here.

Skip: yeah, but that's just the problem right now, they're in there.

Karra: uh-huh. Remember them as they were, the fun, the adventure, the trouble......

Skip: sure.

Karra: you can laugh at them.

Skip: okay, thank you darling.

Russ: I have a question for you off the subject before you leave.

Karra: uh-huh?

Russ: now, Tia was talking about a gentleman that she worked with who they......

Karra: the heretic.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, he's not allowed back on Sirius because of his religious belief.

Karra: no, that's not quite true.

Russ: oh, well that's what she said.

Karra: she only told half the story.

Russ: well, I want to hear the other half darling.

Karra: he's a great orator.

Russ: okay.

Karra: a very great orator. He's a very analytic mind which is why he works with Tia. He's also very, very confident, you might say overconfident and he's very persuasive. In fact, he's in Kiri's class of coercive ability.

Russ: oh.

Karra: put all those combinations together and what do you have?

Russ: Hitler.

Skip: more or less.

Karra: more or less. The heretic did have a number of followers and believers in what he preached. I won't get into what he preached because it is heretical.

Russ: what about freedom of religion, sweetheart? I mean, we have that down here, not that it brings us much happiness.

Karra: yes, but this was dangerous, this was dangerous.

Russ: oh.

Karra: it was more of a hearkening back to the time of Tonar.

Russ: okay, I get it.

Karra: uh-huh. And of course, on a small base with the select individuals that we have, he has no audience.

Russ: I don't doubt that.

Karra: yes. No, we haven't had any luck, you can tell Nicole we haven't had any luck with finding anyone who looks like him yet.

Russ: oh no, she's going to be so disappointed.

Karra: well, I've been busy as you know and Tia's been busy, we haven't been able to get down to the corner bar as much. And Kiri's been busy with designs.

Russ: wait a minute, ask Treena.

Karra: oh, Treeny.

Russ: Treeny.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll bet she knows.

Karra: I'll bet she would.

Russ: she tends bar there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: show her a picture.

Karra: okay.

Russ: or show her a picture of Val Kilmer.

Karra: I'll punch one up on the computer and I'll take the holo down.

Russ: perfect, that will work.

Karra: uh-huh. You just thought of Willow, you want a picture like that?

Russ: no, just like this, the Doors.

Karra: oh, the Doors picture. I was thinking more Willow.

Russ: I like that too but this is more the guy that she's looking for.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: not the Willow brand, the Doors brand.

Karra: oh, you want somebody more like in that flying movie with, what's his name that was in Legend?

Russ: Tom Cruise.

Tyrell: Tom Cruise.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh yeah, Val Kilmer was in Top Gun.

Karra: yes, uh-huh.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: I think she would like something more like that.

Russ: than the Top Gun version of Val Kilmer.

Karra: I'll see what I can find.

Russ: good luck. Show her all three, see what she comes up with.

Karra: okay.

Russ: something between Willow, the Doors, and Top Gun.

(Skip chuckles)

Judy: interesting combination.

Russ: I'll tell Nicole that you're working on it.

Karra: uh-huh, yes, I will take personal charge of the thing. We're gonna put the monster back on.

Russ: all right.

Skip: okay. Thank you.

Karra: okay, no problem. And Skip, before I go, anytime that you need somebody to talk to, I'm sure that Russ and Mark will be available.

Russ: yeah, absolutely.

Skip: okay.

Karra: I know that Mark's gonna be available for six weeks. Any time of the day.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay.

Russ: bye love.

Skip: so long.

(Tia comes in humming in to finish the session)

Russ: did she mean monster as in Godzilla or the mummy?

(everyone chuckles while Tia continues to hum)

Skip: we don't need any yellow ribbons tonight.

Judy: King Kong is a little strong.

Russ: yeah, that's true.

Tia: watch it, I have PK, I can pick things up and throw them. I just can't throw them from here down to there.

Russ: that would be a trick.

Tia: uh-huh, it would be quite a trick.

Russ: that would be a good one.

Tia: uh-huh. I'd even get Omal to raise his eyebrow. And as for Korton, Korton I think I could impress Korton too. Mind you, apparently I impressed the hell out of Korton when he heard about my computer skills.

Russ: well, I'm sure a report got to him, yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. It might have involved communications so I imagine it would.

Russ: yeah. Okay darling how much time do we got left?

Tia: we probably got about five minutes.

Russ: five minutes, okay. I've got a bunch of serious stuff I can work with or we can just go with the fun stuff.

Tia: let's go with the fun stuff. Session's almost over.

Russ: fair enough.


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