Archivist motes: This session took place when Karra was still a healer working for Kornas and before she became an ambassador. Due to a new policy that was handed down from above, new channeling rules were put in place to maintain the seriousness of the knowledge being shared. True manifestation is discussed by Omal on that theme while Kiri pushes the edges of allowed information with her discussion on warp engine technology.

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SIDE ONE


(Tia starts things off)


Tia: going better than you guys are going. 

Russ: you can say that again.

(it had been raining cats and dogs for an extended length of time)
 
Tia: well?

Russ: well you heard Mark and I discussing the economic issue.

Tia: oh, yes, the economic issue.

Russ: I'm looking, and I think we have discussed it before but the welfare reform as being a triggering effect for a scenarios B or C coupled with a collapse in the economy. Mainly a depression or recession, deep recession.

(possible scenarios as described in the Defcon messages from the time)

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I wanted to get your views on that.

Tia: well, there are other contributing factors that go into that, not just a recession.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: increase in frivolous expenditure. For example, feel good programs to make people feel good about buying cars that they already own. Programs that are frivolous.

Russ: got that out of "Dave"?

Tia: yeah I did actually, cribbed that but they do have programs like that. You see the Democratic party seems to be interested in one thing and one thing only, power.

Russ: well it beats the Republicans who are only interested in money.

Tia: well money is a useful tool. Power, absolute power does what?

Russ: corrupts absolutely? Okay, so we got frivolous expenditures out of the way.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what are some other contributing factors?

Tia: okay, the government bickering and arguing over factors such as shutting down the government itself. Feel-good programs that actually do nothing. For example, saving fictional endangered species, stopping alternative growth, buying external oil when the country is quite capable of supporting itself using ethanol as opposed to petroleum products. Expenditures like that that drain the very financial lifeblood from the country.

Russ: well let's remember the country's not the one who buys the oil, the gas companies are.

Tia: the gas companies could easily buy internally, change over to ethanol which works just as well as petroleum products.

Russ: well the government doesn't control the gas companies.

Tia: they do. True they do not control the gas companies but they can control the imports and exports. Sending military forces overseas to protect VITAL oil resources. One third of the United States Armed Forces are overseas protecting oil resources which is frivolous when your country is quite capable of surviving totally independently without importing petroleum products. These external frivolous expenditures are a drain on the people because who has to pay these men that are overseas? Who has to pay for their transport? Who has to pay for their food? Who has to pay for their clothing? Who has to pay for their entertainment? You guys do. The further they are away the more it costs, the longer they're overseas the more it costs.

Russ: okay well let me go ahead and put for the sake of the tape what Mark and I were discussing tonight.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and that was the fact that the government is now working on various forms of welfare reform......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: namely taking welfare from illegal immigrants and minorities. By doing so they are getting upset a group of people who, if there was a recession, wouldn't take much to go ahead and go over the limits.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: or go over the top causing the scenarios where we do see chaos in the cities.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so with that, is it better to hope against welfare reform or go with that?

Tia: it depends on what path you wish to go down.

Russ: okay, explain the different paths then that we...

Tia: okay, let's say welfare reform doesn't happen.

Russ: okay.

Tia: right? But a recession does.

Russ: all right.

Tia: okay, everybody suffers.

Russ: correct.

Tia: everybody suffers equally but it's not that bad and recovery does happen but it takes time. It takes time to get back to where you are now.

Russ: right.

Tia: a long time, a 100 years at least. Now let us assume welfare does occur and the crash happens and all the right circumstances occur to facilitate rioting, mass disobedience and so on. There is one of many things that could happen. One is that the government re-institutes welfare programs, food stamps and so on but that doesn't really help because there is no money anyway because where does the money come from? The people and the people have to pay these other people to have food.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: so in actual fact they're taking money from one group and giving it to another group forcibly which upsets the other group you see?

Russ: hmm.

Tia: let us say that there was no re-institution of welfare right? The group that is worse off in actual fact in the long run is better off because they go through the suffering and the growth and the learning and understanding the necessary behavioral patterns that are needed to be stronger and they will recover quicker. The people that have had money squirreled away will spend their money and spend their money and spend their money until they achieve the status of the first group but the first group is already recovering. They know how to recover. The other group who has lived fat and luxurious lives don't. They suffer, they go to the government, they beg, they whine, they riot, they fight, they cause problems dragging the first group back down with them so therefore the disobedience happens all over again but much more nastier this time. The government has to step in and institute programs. So things occur that forces the level of learning to be learned the harsh way. The recovery rate in this I should say is about 30 to 50 years. So, when they re-achieve their balance, it is not the parents but the offspring that know how to proceed and how to go on from where they were. This brings into play an enlightened, accelerated purpose. I think Mark mentioned something along those lines didn't he?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: not as well detailed though. So that it occurs much more rapidly and the development of the mind, because of the suffering is needed whereas the long slow, insidious decline in the first part I discussed creates a lackadaisy attitude, it prolongs the growth. It's like if you go out and prune roses. You prune them hard and the first year they don't come back very well, the second year they come back a bit better and the third year they bloom incredibly. Now if you're only pruning them lightly, the following year they bloom beautifully. The year after that they bloom not so well and they become a little bit woody and long. The third-year they bloom a few flowers but have put out quite a bit of growth and again get very woody and you have to prune them back hard. That is the way that scenario B and C look. The harsh pruning is scenario C, the light pruning is scenario B.

Russ: hmm, so there's a difference between a 100 years and 30 to 50 years essentially.

Tia: uh-huh, basically yeah.

Russ: and scenarios A, the good scenario, isn't happening at all.

Tia: I don't see it happening.

Russ: okay.

Tia: so you are in either B+, A- almost or scenario B.

Russ: okay. So welfare reform as itself won't bring about scenario C?

Tia: no, not on its own.

Russ: no, quite a few contributing factors.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now what about the fact that the middle class is shrinking? Won't that add to the bulk of the people who would get fed up with many of these different programs that you are talking about as contributing factors?

Tia: well the definition of the middle class keeps on chopping and changing, it's really hard to define what the middle class is. To start off with when your current president was elected it was anybody that earned over $250,000 a year was upper-class. Which meant anybody below that but earned more than $20,000 were middle-class. Then it changed to anybody that earns over a $100,000. All of a sudden there is a whole group that earned a $150,000 more than a $100,000 that were taken out. They suddenly got shunted into the upper-class hence the shrinkage. Then suddenly, the middle class became anybody that earned under $70,000. Bang, there goes another load of people up into the upper-class bracket. Very clever manipulation here if you think about it. What's it doing? It's creating class envy, it is creating the environment where a group of individuals that are power-hungry can get control over the people that are disgruntled, the middle class and the lower class by saying, "look at all these people that have suddenly made it into the upper-class, the wealthy class." Very clever move.

Russ: yes but won't the upper-class be the ones who will be the last to learn?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean, even though they have more opportunities and more chance to study, they really don't take advantage of that. They're only interested in enjoying the fruits of their labors.

Tia: no, you would be surprised how many are actually spiritually aware and involved.

Russ: maybe their wives or daughters or sons or something maybe........

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but not they themselves.

Tia: no, what did I say about the ones that matter? It's not the parents......

Russ: right.

Tia: it's the kids.

Russ: okay, now with that happening then, like you say they'll be more insulated from this but they'll still come down the ladder a ways.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and that's when the real learning will take place?

Tia: correct.

Russ: I see. But in the meantime, those who have already been through it will already be starting on the way out, recovering.

Tia: correct.

Russ: ahh, okay. Well that's all good for me.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll be on the way out.

Tia: whilst they're coming down.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now, where does that leave for those of us who have already learned from this to those who are coming down to that point before they start back up? We'll be as teachers then?

Tia: correct. Teachers, helpers.

Russ: okay. Now on the other hand, we have a system in place now that will allow us to recover and start to teach. But you're saying.....let's say we go into the easier scenario where's there 30 to 50 years. Could you break that down into more or less when people start coming down and when people start coming up?

Tia: yes I could but it would take me quite a while tonight because I would have to.....

Russ: we don't have the time.

Tia: well not so much the time as I would be thinking out loud and saying, "no, this works.....no, no, no, no it doesn't work, let's try it this way." And I would take up a lot of time going over matters in my mind trying to get to the goal that you are trying to achieve.

Russ: okay well if you could maybe.....

Tia: work on the format and a formula for it.

Russ: just break it down so it's just an open mic night kind of thing.

Tia: really want to work me don't you?

Russ: at your leisure darling.

Tia: okay.

Russ: take a year, two years.

Tia: hmm.

Russ: I'll just put it "to be continued section" after this.

Tia: oh, okay, to be continued.

Russ: Tia continues her discussion on scenarios.

Tia: okay but the main things look out for is continuing frivolous expenditure, stock market going hot dogs and all of a sudden going kablooy. Welfare reform which is both a Republican and a Democratic issue as well as a presidential issue. What else? There's about six or seven other things that I can't think of at the moment.

Russ: just save it for when we do the continuation.

Tia: okay. But this will be the precursors to a desperate situation.

Russ: okay.

Tia: any questions?

Russ: uh-uh.

Tia: you sure?

Russ: uh-hmm.

Tia: okay. I'll be back.

Russ: I know.

Tia: I am ring mistress. The way that you put it on the Internet that Tia comes back in between speakers, you ought to say that Tia is the coordinator that introduces the next speakers.

Russ: I'll work on your section there.

Tia: thank you.

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(Omal takes over from Tia)


Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, let us cover some of Tia's issues before I cover mine.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay let us look at her case scenarios first of all. It is better to describe them more as possibilities than scenarios. Possibilities have a function of seeming more important than scenarios. Scenarios are something that you see on games and in military strategies. Possibilities are something that is useful, that gives people something to think about. When you're editing and putting it on the internet device, you should strike scenarios and put in possibilities.

Russ: okay. Well hello Skip.

Omal: greetings Skip.

Skip: greetings.

Russ: Omal, Skip, you all know each other.

Omal: yes, please take a chair and we will continue. This is a pleasure to see you.

Skip: my pleasure sir.

Omal: thank you, mine also. Okay let us give a brief dissertation, before we do that I will explain to Skip that the format has changed a little due to circumstances that were beyond our control and Russ' control and Mark's control. Okay the format works this way, I give a brief dissertation, I answer questions. Tia puts on the next speaker, after that speaker, I take over and explain what the speaker meant and answer any questions that the speaker could not answer or answered inaccurately and it proceeds that way. The reason for this as I stated were circumstances beyond our control. Okay now let me get to my dissertation, okay, concerning the development and evolutionary purpose of the mind. Now these problems that we have been discussing concerning economic and possiblatil effects such as depressions, welfare reforms, political expenditure in a frivolous nature as Tia puts it, are all key elements into the learning process and how the mind interacts with these learning's. The reason for these learning's with such abilities as healing, manifesting, coercion, astral travel, psychokinesis, all have an interconnected network within these learning patterns. Those people that seek knowledge, astral travel is the way to do it. Those people that seek to control and teach, coercion again is a very useful tool. Those people that are put on your planet for the higher purpose of helping, not only through education but through their manifesting capabilities that have that unique gift of being able to create nothing, or something out of nothing. From a pile of debris on the ground to a useful tool such as a truck bed spring being created into a piece of art. A fanciful piece of art at that but a very useful talent in itself. And another unique group of individuals, the healers that are put again for a higher purpose on your planet to help heal and educate for a spiritual pathway not only for themselves but for other people. Those lucky individuals that have the opportunity to come in contact with healers of exceptional gifts that can take away their pain and make them feel better and accelerate their healing process. Lastly, the group of psychokinesis individuals, they are again another extraordinary group of people that have an extreme purpose, not as high as the manifestors or the healers but their purpose is equally as important as all the other purposes. Being able to move and manipulate objects with the mind is a unique and very useful gift. They are more the engineers and the builders. Even though they do not have the manifesting capability, they have the ability to visualize and construct things that they have at hand. For example, building a wall of large blocks or a building with large blocks serves a unique purpose of being able to construct shelter quickly and rapidly. All the groups working together in unison create the ideal situation for the next evolutionary advancement of the planet. From this, comes the next logical step, the step of higher abilities, spiritual awareness and what the liberals are seeking, a utopia. But the two pathways of the spiritual and the political cannot meet due to the fact that one group is concerned with everybody and helping everybody, the other group is concerned with helping an elected few to have power over the majority. Each group has its purpose, one is the end result and something to aspire to, the other is something to look at, learn and avoid. Okay, let us start with Skip's question as he is dying to ask a question.

Skip: I am?

Omal: there is one on your mind.

Skip: I'm not aware of it.

Omal: okay, let us look at the.......let us put it this way. What is the most important thing that you feel is your goal?

Skip: at the present time?

Omal: correct.

Skip: I don't know, just helping other people. I don't have any other goals than that Omal.

Omal: that is a very high goal, helping other people.

Skip: that's what I've done all my life.

Omal: that fits into the esteemed category of a manifestor and a healer which you are both.

Skip: uh-huh, yeah I know I'm both.

Omal: so that puts you in a unique position. Something that is able to be an objective, a goal. Heading on a pathway of such a high purpose, almost self-sacrificing purpose, which is what you have done for many years. You have had the opportunity in the past to be extraordinarily wealthy if I'm not mistaken.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: and you have turned down that opportunity every time because of one thing that you really want to do and that is to help. That is where you get your wealth reward. It is not a fiscal or currency reward.

Skip: one question.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: am I ever going to have a partner to help me with this?

Omal: umm, that is something that I really can't answer.

Skip: figured you couldn't, I just thought I'd insert that little bit okay?

Omal: okay Russ, your question.

Russ: okay, you mentioned about idealists looking for utopia.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: doesn't this reflect back to Atlantis and the same sort of utopia that was being searched for then?

Omal: correct but the same situation that is now also occurred, greed, dominance, the seeking of power to control others.

Russ: so we're seeing a turnaround from that same point going full circle let's say?

Omal: yes, basically.

Russ: okay.

Omal: but not quite. You don't have long-distance space travel. Admittedly, it did take approximately six months to travel from Sirius as it was then to where you are now, to your planet.

Russ: quite a long time for what it is now.

Omal: well for us it does not take that long.

Russ: right.

Omal: but for you in your current technology, traveling at your current speed, it would take approximately...

Russ: six years.

Omal: no, you do not have light travel do you?

Russ: oh yeah that's right, six light years.

Omal: correct. So you're talking at your current speed, it would take approximately 150,000 years at full speed, doesn't work.

Skip: we can't build anything that big to hold that much fuel.

Russ: you couldn't build anything that would support anybody for that long.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: well the fuel is unimportant, once you are in motion in space with its nature, you continue at that speed. For example let us say you are on the space shuttle? You are outside the gravitational field of your planet, you fire a rock off into space, it will continue.....let's say you fire it at 5 miles an hour, it will continue at 5 miles an hour indefinitely until it reaches a gravitational field that alters its speed and trajectory or until it hits something.

Russ: now it could hit something, come off its gravitational field and could shoot off at a faster speed......

Omal: correct.

Russ: or it could be sucked into the gravitational well of the body that it hits.

Omal: correct and ultimately stops.

Russ: right.

Omal: but, where you are now is the starting point of where you could go or the finishing point of where you have been. Okay, next questions please.

Russ: tell me I can put that all on the Internet.

Omal: yes, you can.

Russ: bonus, cool.

Skip: why couldn't you use a gravitational field as a slingshot effective to acquire the speed of light?

Omal: oh you can, you can but your ships do not have the shielding necessary to withstand the extreme heat that is generated from a gravitational source that has that potential. Your nearest source is 93,000,000 miles away. To get there would take approximately six months to have the correct trajectory to be able to hit it and to create the necessary slingshot to be able to do so. If you were to use somewhere like Jupiter that does not have the heat to get to the point where it would be able to sling you at.....(coughs)

Russ: want some water?

Omal: yes please. At the appropriate speed would crush the vessel because of the gas and the depth that is needed to generate the speed.

Skip: okay, all right. In other words our technology isn't high enough yet.

Omal: not yet but it will come soon. Soon is a relative term. When you have seen the Aurora Borealis 100,000 years ago and it is like yesterday for you, soon is a relative term. For you soon is tomorrow, for me soon is maybe a 1,000, 2,000 years.

Russ: okay.

(Omal takes the glass from Russ and drinks some water)

Omal: interesting vessel, cut glass I believe.

Russ: uh-huh, yes.

Omal: okay, now where were we?

Skip: about soon.

Omal: soon yes, soon is a relevant term. What is soon for one person, for a child, soon is some time within the next 30 seconds, within the next hour. For a teenager, soon is some time this afternoon, possibly tomorrow morning. For a young adult, somebody in their mid-20's, soon is tomorrow, maybe next week. For somebody that is a mature adult, soon is some time maybe next week, maybe next month. For a individual that has been around for a while, soon may be next month, the month after but no more than maybe a year. So the term soon is a relevant term to the individual. It is little bit like Einstein's theory of relativity, everything is relative to everything else from the observers point of view. That is something that is needed to be reiterated. From the observer's point of view, all things are different than another observer, Russ.

Russ: what is soon for you?

Omal: soon is maybe a hundred, maybe a 1,000 years.

Russ: now in you're mentioning with Skip that helping others is a high goal and signs of a healer and manifestation.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that would be the same with what I'm doing with the Internet, is sort of a form of manifestation?

Omal: yes it is, in a way.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: so in essence, everyone is really a manifestor.

Skip: to a point.

Russ: to a point.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: what determines the fact that they are a true manifestor?

Omal: how they use it.

Russ: please explain.

Omal: for example, let us go back to the bed spring from the truck.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Skip will be able to understand this better. What is the bed spring from the truck now?

Skip: just a spring.

Omal: no, it is not just a spring, I'm making a reference to a specific bed spring from a truck. The long, flat piece of metal.

Skip: yeah it's the load spring that holds the axles on.

Omal: yes but what have you done with one?

Skip: I'm sorry?

Omal: what have you done with one?

Skip: what have I done with one?

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: I've made prybars out of them.

Omal: uh-huh, but you made something very special out of one, something that you lug around. I may be inaccurate in saying that it's a bed spring.

Skip: oh no, no, no, no, no, you are inaccurate. That's just a piece of my old steel stock, that wasn't a spring.

Omal: okay but, that is an example of manifestation, something of beauty has been created from something that was laying on the ground.

Skip: just a piece of steel, yeah.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: that is a true manifestor. Taking something that is a piece of dull, inanimate metal and turning it into a work of art, that is manifestation. Taking a pen and a paper and creating a piece of literature that is pleasing to the heart as opposed to something that is dry and boring. Being able to create a fluid, moving sentence on a computer screen and being able to place it with the gift that you have for technology is a form of manifesting. A different from admittedly but it is manifesting your thoughts into designing a page. Being able to take pen and paper and create something from nothing is manifestation.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: being able to see an object not as it is but as you want to be, is manifestation.

Russ: and taking thin air and turning it into something solid.

Omal: that is true manifestation.

Russ: correct.

Omal: but also the other things, taking a lump of metal and turning it into a masterpiece of art, that is true manifestation.

Russ: hmm, I never thought of that way.

Omal: a different kind certainly but it is true manifestation.

Russ: you're right........

Skip: hmm.

Russ: just never saw it that way.

Skip: I do it almost every day.

Russ: okay, just a couple last things from me unless Skip, you have something more?

Skip: no, I have no more questions.

Russ: okay, in the future sessions, a couple things I'd like to work on before July.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: one of which is shielding, a how to.

Omal: okay next week.

Russ: okay fantastic. The other thing is, I'd like to get working on a couple movies that are coming up here by July. One is "Contact" and the.....

Omal: and the other one is "Men in Black".

Russ: correct. I'm sure Karra already passed that on to you.

Omal: yes.

Russ: their relevance to how our society is evolving in regards to other races?

Omal: I have not have the opportunity to witness these "Contact" or "Men in Black".

Russ: well they're just previews right now, they're not out on screen til July.

Omal: oh we have our ways of getting access to view things.

Russ: oh well, it's kind of like I'd like to see if we could get some kind of update on where that's going. Not only that, but we're seeing as I pointed out to Mark this evening a commercial showing a spaceship coming down and aliens suddenly materializing into this Lincoln Continental or something and loving the whole feel of it and if aliens came to earth, this is what they'd drive.

Omal: yes. (said very dryly)

Russ: but it shows where we're taking a newer view towards extraterrestrials.

Omal: no not quite, it is not new, it is a cyclical motion.

Russ: okay.

Omal: or circular motion.

Russ: and this goes back to our comments on Atlantis?

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see.

Omal: that your medium for entertainment has always had a cycle. Last year I believe it was the aliens are bad.

Russ: yes.

Omal: the year before that, they were good.

Russ: right.

Omal: "ET"...

Russ: right.

Omal: "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". They were helpful and benevolent. Then they turned bad, then they turned good, then they turned bad so it is not something new and in fact I believe you asked me a while back about "Cocoon"?

Russ: right, and "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and....

Omal: correct and so on.

Russ: right. Okay so it is just cyclical and we are coming full circle again?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, it doesn't show any preparation that's being made toward real contact though I take it.

Omal: not at this time, no.

Russ: okay. All right, that pretty well ties it all in together, that's all I pretty much have.

Omal: okay, thank you.

Skip: yeah I have nothing else, thank you Omal.

Omal: no problem. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.

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(Tia jumps back in)


Tia: Skip!

Skip: yes darling.

Tia: how's it going?

Skip: great, how about you?

Tia: oh it's going good, good, better than these two. So what can I do for you before I put the next person on?

Skip: you can manifest me a lady. (laughs)

Tia: you're having lady problems too huh?

Skip: yeah. Well, no not really, I don't have one. (laughs again)

Tia: oh, but Judy?

Skip: well she's a nice lady, she's a real nice lady.

Tia: oh you're friends.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Tia: you're friends.

Skip: yes.

Tia: oh that's good, it's sometimes good to have a good lady friend.

Skip: very, very good friends.

Tia: that is wonderful, that is absolutely wonderful. Any questions for me apart from manifesting you a lady? Besides, I'm not a manifestor, I am an astral traveler and a PK head.

Skip: just had to tease you a little.

Tia: oh good.

Tia: okay, next speaker.

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(Karra takes her turn in the order of things)


Karra: hello.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: hello, hello Skip.

Skip: hello Karra.

Karra: it's good to see you.

Skip: my pleasure.

Karra: it's been a little while hasn't it?

Skip: yeah, quite a while in fact.

Karra: about six months.

Skip: yeah, maybe even a little longer than that.

Karra: I think the last time you were up was sometime in October.

Skip: could be, yeah.

Karra: my, that's seven months.

Skip: yeah, it sure is.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: eight, nine months.

Karra: yeah, wow.

Skip: this is the sixth month already darling of our calendar.

Karra: yes I know, that's it threw me. So it would be eight months.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: my math sucks tonight as you guys might say.

Skip: yeah it's been quite a while.

Karra: yes it has.

Skip: sorry about that, I just haven't had the opportunity to get up here.

Karra: well these things happen unfortunately.

Skip: oh yeah.

Karra: what with snow and floods and avalanches and mudslides and forest fires.

Skip: and water.

Karra: and water.

Skip: and water.

Karra: and more water.

Skip: you got that right.

Russ: we did see a lot of it.

Skip: we've had a whole bunch of it the first of this year.

Karra: yes, you guys need to buy life vests.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Karra: life vests.

Russ: life vests? You know life preservers?

Skip: oh life....no.

Karra: flotation devices.

Skip: no, no.

Karra: why not?

Skip: I don't know, never thought about it.

Karra: I'm joking.

Skip: be nice.

Karra: it is a.....

Skip: but you do it with such a straight face I can never tell.

Karra: I know. Your earth humor is sometimes very difficult to follow. Sirian humor is something that you take cynicism and use it as a humorous tool. For example, yes you had a lot of water, maybe a life vest might be in order sometime in the future. That way it's a play on words. You take the cynicism of the possibility with the past and you have a humor.........


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Karra takes off from where she left off)


Karra: two people walking down the street, two young people, a male and a female and they're walking down the street and they're very much in the bloom of first love. And the guy turns around, this is a sixth dimensional joke as well, turns around to his first love and goes, "Honey, marry me." And she turns around and looks back and she goes, "but darling, we are married." Hmm, okay let me explain that.

(everyone laughs)

Karra: the way it works is that they are experiencing both the now......he's experiencing the now and she's experiencing the past where they were and he wants the now you see?

Russ: I can see where you need to be sixth dimensional to really be able to really pick that one up on the first part.

Karra: yeah it's a mind joke.

Russ: hmmm right. Best told telepathically probably too.

Karra: yes, it's hard sometimes to tell some of our jokes orally. Here's an oral mountain joke. The Sage is sitting on the top of the mountain and the devotee climbs up and says, "Oh wise one, how do you get to be so wise?" And the wise one stands up, lifts up the back of his robe, pulls down his underwear and says, "Look at the calluses." (Skip chuckles) Skip got that one. It's a lot of hard work to be wise. Russ, you didn't get it did you?

Russ: I did, got it from let's see, sitting around a lot thinking?

Karra: he's got it hasn't he? My.

Russ: just thinking.

Skip: oh golly, anyhow......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: how's everything going with you?

Karra: it's going well, it's going well.

Skip: how's your children?

Karra: the boys are doing well, Klarra's being a typical young girl. I've been pretty busy with things going on. Certain things, you know Lyka's platoon has left and we've got a replacement platoon. We have them here, we are working with them. There's quite a few individuals that are not very well. It's a sad thing.
So they party a lot, which means that a bunch of soldiers partying, I have do a lot of medical work afterwards which is good for them because they're letting off steam.

(they are back from a firefight on a 3rd dimensional planet)

Karra: how is your work going?

Skip: I'm sorry, I just.......

Karra: how is your work going?

Skip: oh, too much of it, my hours aren't long enough.

Karra: join the club, join the club, I do know what you mean.

Russ: I have never seen you down in the med lab as much as I have lately.

Karra: well there's a lot of work going on, as I just stated that well........

Skip: I don't have enough days in the week or enough hours in the day.

Karra: tell me about it.

Skip: my goodness gracious.

Karra: I got called the other morning at 2 o'clock in the morning, it wasn't a medical emergency, it was one of the soldiers wanted somebody to talk to and I happened to be the first person that he thought of calling so of course he called me. I go down to the med lab and he's climbing up the wall having serious psychological problems so I had to talk to him and talk him down and get him relaxed and sit him back down and get him straight so that we could do some work on him. He had taken off some of his bandages unfortunately.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: he had a serious infection as well which is why he was tweaking out.

Skip: hmm, and they make you do it.

Karra: oh yes certainly.

Russ: you broken any hearts among that group yet?

Karra: quite a few unfortunately.

Russ: I can well imagine darling. Fall in love with the nurse syndrome?

Karra: it's....it's prevalent.

Russ: I can well imagine, especially with such a lovely nurse such as yourself.

Karra: I have six current guys that want to be the father of my children.

(everyone laughs)

Karra: it's quite funny actually, especially how I have to turn them down.

Skip: oh golly. Yeah in fact, that's why I'm here tonight.

Karra: oh.

Skip: a gentleman called me last night and wants me to build an extension on his building.

Karra: oh really?

Skip: and I've got a lawn to mow and I'm pulling guard every night five days a week and working 10 hours a day and running out of time.

Russ: wow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and I thought I'd just stop by and say hello.

Karra: hello.

Skip: hello.

Karra: hello. Okay, as Skip, I get the feeling that you don't have as much time as you would like correct?

Skip: no, there just isn't enough hours.

Karra: okay, I'll tell you what we'll do. Let me quickly consult with Omal, I will put Tia back on temporarily and we'll see how we can go, okay?

Skip: okay.

---

(Tia pops back in)


Tia: hey.

Russ: hey Tia

Kiri: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Skip: hello sweetheart.

Tia: hey, how's it going?

Skip: if I could get some sleep, just fantastic.

Tia: oh cool.

Russ: you know you just can't put a real channeling session on the internet properly.

Tia: no you can't. Not with everybody up and down, up and down.

Skip: no you can't, there's just no way huh-uh.

Tia: uh uh.

Russ: no you have to have one long page that keeps going and going and going.

Skip: yeah right.

Tia: and going. She didn't tell you about your rabbit did she?

(a voice-activated Energizer Bunny robot Kiri built for me)

Russ: no.

Tia: no, it's going and going and going and going.

Russ: I didn't start it.

Tia: apparently you did.

Russ: how? I didn't do anything to it.

Tia: well you told it to go.

Russ: did I?

Tia: apparently, that's what Karra said. Anyway, they're still trying to get it working. So we'll put Karra back on in the meantime.

---

(Karra comes back on briefly before handing off again)


Karra: okay, as my little sister over there is going nuts trying to help rewire something.

Russ: well it's a nice shot anyway.

Karra: okay, I've got to put Omal on now.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay.

Russ: bye love.

---

(Omal comes in to review what can and can't be added to the web)


Omal: okay greetings once again, as I said Skip, this is the new format.

Skip: okay.

Omal: okay, well you can't put down the letter from Lyka. You can't put down the discussion on where and what it's like unfortunately.

(these were edited out)

Omal: you can put down the healing parts and the jokes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: which doesn't make much a page.

Russ: well that's all right, these are good sixth dimensional jokes, I think it will be a good analogy to put on there for people to learn from.

Omal: yes, you can probably weave it in with the one that you're working on at the moment from her.

Russ: okay.

Omal: do a continuation, just put continued from such a date.

Russ: okay.

Omal: that is about all that I need to go over except for the technical difficulties that are being experienced at the moment. Okay, I shall put Tia back on.

---

(Tia returns to coordinating the chats)


Tia: yes well, seems like there's two ring.......well a ring mistress and a ringmaster. Basically I still have a right to say who does and who doesn't go on, also the order but Omal seems to have the veto affect. Excuse me for a moment.

Russ: isn't it Democratic?

Tia: no it's not Democratic. Democratic is where everybody has a say.

Skip: right.

Russ: well at least it's an autonomous collection then.

Tia: oh yes but it's good so far that Omal hasn't had to make any major corrections or say, "you cannot put this on the internet whatsoever and forget that you ever heard it".

Russ: well yeah, we haven't gotten that far.

Tia: no. He's definitely keeping a tight rein on us. There is no longer any partying down in the pyramid, we're up here in the lab in a channeling room. Oh well, such is life.

Russ: well that's all right, like I say, we're learning more.

Tia: uh-huh certainly, certainly. Okay.....what?

Russ: oh nothing, just relaxing. I've got to go in a couple minutes though.

Tia: oh, okay. Well I'll put on the engineer, the expert, the one that apparently was saying very rude things in Sirian that got a glare from Karra.

---

(Kiri begins her part of the session)


Kiri: yo dudes. Hey Skip.

Skip: hi sweetie.

Kiri: hey how's it going? What can I do for you?

Skip: I'm still working on that warp engine.

Kiri: getting close huh?

Skip: no.

Kiri: you're going to find your new toy when it's finished is going to help you tremendously. You want to get a program called a CAD designer, is that correct?

Russ: uh-huh, computer aided design program.

Kiri: it will give you......

Skip: are you....oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay all right, now I'm with you now. I'm sorry, my mind's slow.

Kiri: oh that's all right, that's all right. It will give you a three dimensional design capability. You will be able to construct things in three dimensions. Now there are other programs that go with it that will be able to say, let's say you design a room like this one right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you could put pillars in there, bumph, bumph, bumph. Let's say Athenian pillars, those nice slender ones. You can see how it would look, you could color the walls, you could put pictures in, you could color the walls whatever color you want. If you want the top part a tan color and the bottom part a cream color, that works or vice versa. This will help you tremendously and with that you'll be able to design warp engines. I can't tell you more than that because I'm getting glared at the moment, I'm the one that Omal's watching you know, notice that?

Skip: yeah I know.

Kiri: I'm the one that pushes the edge of the envelope.

Skip: that's okay, I'm still working on it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I just....I can't recall enough to give me some of the answers that I need.

(from a past life)

Russ: it's all on tape if you want me to give you a transcript.

Kiri: uh-huh but don't......

Skip: what now?

Russ: her original dissertation on warp engines.

Kiri: uh-huh but don't do a Nikolai Tesla, tell somebody, don't keep it to yourself.

Skip: why not? I told somebody about a trailer hitch that's on the market.

Kiri: uh-huh but what I'm saying is.....

Russ: well patent it and then tell them all about it.

Kiri: that's right. Do the smart thing, patent it first and then tell them. Don't do what Tesla did, he was working on the exact same thing.

Russ: Tesla patented all his stuff.

Kiri: all the ones that he told people about. The ones that were in here, (points to her head) what use are they if they're in here and not patented and being worked upon?

Skip: I put mine on paper.

Kiri: uh-huh, that's good, keep it on paper so that they can see it.

Skip: but I didn't patent it.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: now it's on almost every trailer on the road.

Kiri: I think that goes back to Omal's thing about potentials and being helpful.

Skip: I helped everybody. (laughs)

Kiri: uh-huh

Skip: self-contained trailer brakes, I designed them almost 20 years ago.

Kiri: uh-huh and in return you've saved lives.

Skip: true enough.

Kiri: you've helped people to have an easier life. Just that one thing has paid hundreds of dividends. Think of how many people would have been killed if the brakes weren't there.

Skip: yeah, true enough.

Russ: if you made lots of money and become a millionaire, we might never have met you there Skip.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah that's true too.

Russ: you wouldn't be the person you are now.

Skip: oh I don't know, probably give it all away.

Kiri: see you could open a can of worms there, big can of worms. Okay....

Skip: anyhow, you can't foresee the future and can't reiterate on the past so.....

Kiri: no you can't unfortunately.

Skip: second engineering is better than first because you see the first engineering and you can always improve on it.

Kiri: that's right.

Skip: so second engineering is always better than the first.

Kiri: uh-huh. Well the trick is that when you take something that is in existence......

Skip: and improve upon it.

Kiri: and improve upon it. For example, let us look at this thing here.

Russ: I got to go darling.

Kiri: okay. I'll see you later ace.

Russ: all right, have Mark just go ahead and label this and date it.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: bye Skip.

Skip: so long there there Russ, I have to go down myself here pretty quick.

Kiri: now you take this thing here right? This is a PA system right?

Skip: it's a what?

Kiri: not a PA system, a intercom.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay, now I can make something half that size right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: how would we improve upon this?

Skip: for one thing, cut the wire off of it.

Kiri: no that's.....you mean put batteries in there?

Skip: why should you put batteries in it?

Kiri: to give it power to work.

Skip: it can work on voice.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you don't need batteries.

Kiri: okay, let's not worry about the power supply at the moment.

Skip: okay, go ahead.

Kiri: okay, how could you make that better and more efficient?

Skip: well, right now I don't know exactly what it does. I know it's an intercom but you could make it a lot smaller I know that.

Kiri: uh-huh, that is the first thing I would do, I'd make it smaller.

Skip: and VOX it, voice operated transmitter.

Kiri: uh-huh, that makes it smaller still.

Skip: yes it does.

Kiri: does away with all the buttons.

Skip: that eliminates your buttons.

Kiri: uh-huh, so in other words, we've eliminated all this area here.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: except for the volume. We've eliminated this part which is the power supply.

Skip: no you don't have to have a volume on it for the simple reason that volume can be created by your own distance from the whatchamacallit, you don't need a volume switch on it. And as far as power supply, you don't need one for the simple reason that you can buy a VOX, you can create power from the speaker itself which would transmit through the microchips in it to no power at all, you don't need any power.

Kiri: yeah, using an electromagnetic field.

Skip: yes.

Kiri: so we've taken something that is, what's it? That's about 5 inches long by about 3 inches wide?

Skip: yep.

Kiri: and we've reduced it down to I should say probably maybe an inch by an inch.

Skip: either that or about that.

Kiri: uh hmm, I could actually make it smaller.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: what I would do is I would mount the microphone on a cord right? Which gives you the antenna for the receiving and transmitting right? Use the cord from the microphone down as the antenna as well as the microphone cord.

Skip: okay, if you're going to do that then when you touch it you're automatically increasing the volume because you are a radio receiver.

Kiri: that's right, soon as you touch it you increase the volume.

Skip: that's right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because you are.......a 3-D body is a receiver.

Kiri: that's correct. Okay, we've got the electromagnetic power, we've got the speaker on the bottom right? As well as the receiver....

Skip: at the top.

Kiri: at the top next the microphone. So basically we've got something that's maybe about that wide right? And probably about that long on a flexible tube.

Skip: you could even shorten the antenna.

Kiri: oh certainly.

Skip: to be only just approximately 3 to 4 inches.

Kiri: well I was just thinking if you want to grab it.

Skip: that's what I'm saying, just 3 to 4 inches to get your fist in between the two units.

Kiri: so you've created something that is much better, much more efficient.

Skip: and that goes back to what I said before, second engineering is better than the first.

Kiri: exactly and that's my point that you can take something like that. Okay now the trick is to take that idea right? Well we've actually gone to the next stage where I was going to go, we had your initial idea which was the second engineering and we've gone to third engineering.

Skip: yeah because we discussed it between us.

Kiri: okay, now how do we go to the next logical step from there?

Skip: research what we've talked about and find out if everything that we have said is practical to a point of commercial application.

Kiri: uh-huh, yes exactly.

Skip: and then if it's all practical in commercial use or in everyday use, go ahead and patent it that way and try to put it into production. To try to put it into production is sometimes a real long and drawn out affair.

Kiri: yeah, okay, let us assume we've done that, how do we improve on the product?

Skip: oh yes definitely.

Kiri: you've got to keep improving.

Skip: that's right, you got to.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay the next stage would be, let's make it a little bit more advanced and sophisticated. Okay, instead of having a speaker, let's say we put a little liquid crystal screen in there.

Skip: LCD?

Kiri: uh-huh. In the top you put a fiber-optic camera and a fiber-optic speaker or microphone. You mount underneath the screen, you mount a little micro-speaker.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you now have what?

Skip: TV.

Kiri: well you have......

Skip: telecommunications.

Kiri: exactly, which is what we have all over the place up here.

Skip: and you can make it this size.

Kiri: exactly, be able to look at your watch and go....

Skip: talk to the people.

Kiri: uh-huh. And using the electrical field of the body right?

Skip: it is your receiver and transmitter.

Kiri: uh-huh, as well as your power supply. So you don't need the batteries, you don't need the storage device of the power, you don't need the magnet anymore.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you now have a total, independent, biochemical, electrical system.

Skip: uh-huh around your wrist.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: pretty cool device huh?

Skip: then it would go to a lapel pin.

Kiri: well actually, the way that I do it is I have a device like this, this thing here and it has a projector in it which I can project the holographic image of the person I'm talking to.

Skip: all right okay, you're going into the holographic okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I was going into the miniaturization.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: of the LCD.

Kiri: yeah but I have a device that is actually a lot thinner than this one, it's probably about yea thick. And it projects the picture of the person and the sound comes from the picture. It's only a mini picture. For example, if I was talking to you and I was using my watch, I would press the answer button and it would project out and there would be a picture of you about yea tall standing on my desk talking to me and you would have the exact same picture if you the exact setup of me talking to you. And I mean, it's easy, it's like having you actually there or the person that you're talking to.

Skip: easier to talk to, easier to talk to.

Kiri: instead of talking down to an empty.....

Skip: you have a tendency to feel like you are talking down to people.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: over communications.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: why that is, I don't know.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: even over what we call a telephone.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: people do talk down to you and they try to intimidate you over a phone and I won't allow it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I won't allow it for me and I won't....I've tried to teach my offspring not to allow it to happen to them.

Kiri: yeah uh-huh.

Skip: so the button on there shuts them off.

Kiri: uh-huh, oh most certainly, most certainly.

Skip: same with two-way radios, same with television, same with any means of communication. If you are not happy with what you see or hear......

Kiri: there's the on-off switch.

Skip: turn it off.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah the great thing is that I can give my communicator a command, a voice command, I can say for example let's say I'm having a conversation with somebody and they are being rude to me right? I've got their holo there, I can say, "communication device, switch off". And that tells the person I'm upset right? Or I can say, "communication device", they don't hear that part, they won't see that part. And I can say, "non-vocal switch off"and it would just switch off and cut out the command. They won't see any of that. There's a whole load of root commands that you can use that override the command pattern.

Skip: uh-huh. I have a question I hope you can answer it, you don't have to tell me the elements okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: in this.....like I said, I'm still working on this warp engine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the application of the.....see if I can word this right. I don't want to get you out over a barrel. The chemicals or combination of propellants is available to us at the present time?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: okay, all right. To create a warp engine?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: metals also?

Kiri: no.

Skip: ah-hah, that's what I was afraid of, that's what I was afraid of. Because I was...there has to be something. And this has got to be a biochemical engine?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: we don't have the metal to control it.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: okay, all right.

Kiri: to contain....

Skip: okay no, no. You have to go any further, that's all I've got to hear about.

Kiri: I can say what I'm about to say as I'm transmitting to Omal and he goes, "hmmm, gray area, try it". And I.....

Skip: I just don't want to get you in trouble.

Kiri: yeah I don't think you would quite.....you might understand it, that's the risk that we're going to take is that it's not a metal that is going to be used. It's not a metal that you have at present. It is a combination of substances that have a high....

Skip: energy source?

Kiri: no, a high resistance to heat. For example, you take a heat tile from the space shuttle right?

Skip: yeah it's black sand.

Kiri: you get your blowtorch right? And you put it on the top side of the tile that's facing out.

Skip: uh-huh, you can hold it your hand.

Kiri: yeah exactly.

Skip: I know.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I know what black sand is.

Kiri: yeah, okay. There is a number of substances needed to contain that kind of explosive force that will be able to be channeled and focused in a controlled way.

Skip: okay all right, okay all right, okay. Enough, enough.

Kiri: there you can see that I'm editing myself very severely here.

Skip: yeah, yeah, just enough. Just enough okay?

Kiri: okay but you get the picture?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: I mean if it wasn't for all this damn editing and stuff, I could set you up for....

Skip: don't worry about it, don't worry about it we'll get there, we'll get there eventually. I just.....my biggest problem is, is I can't recall........

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: from my engineering experience.

(from a past life)

Kiri: uh-huh, how to do it.

Skip: I can't recall my engineering experience period okay?

Kiri: well you get flashes of it, flashes of it from time to time.

Skip: yeah once in a while.

Kiri: yeah, but the problem....

Skip: this 3-D world's interfering with me.

Kiri: yeah I know, I know, I know. The way to look at it is when you do figure it out, you've got to design it in such a way that you filter out the waste and turn the waste into a useful, safe tool. Otherwise, you're going to end up with people doing what my mother did which is the what you would call the "Spock routine". The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one or the few.

(Kiri and Karra's mother was an engineer on a space ship that developed engine trouble and she sacrificed herself to save the ship and its crew fixing it)

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri:: but if you can't, it doesn't matter it's.....

Skip: it's got a be recycle engine.

Kiri: well that's what I'm saying would be nice.

Skip: it's got to be a recycle engine.

Kiri uh-huh.

Skip: because if you have waste, you're only using 80% of the potential.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because the waste is 20%.

Kiri: that's right. That's what they have on the third dimension is what we have been discussing is third dimensional, higher-technology engines that you guys don't have access to.

Skip: yeah and they're 20% waste.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: fumes, whatever. There's still a 20% waste. I don't care what engine talking about in 3-D, there's still a 20% waste.

Kiri: correct. To have a ship that runs at 99% of efficiency.........

Skip: it's got to be higher than that if it's going to go warp.

Kiri: no, they run at 80% efficiency, ones that travel at warp speed.

Skip: 80%?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: hmm.

Kiri: they don't work quite the way that you're thinking that they work.

Skip: you can't do that.

Kiri: yes you can, yes you can.

Skip: no you can't. Now wait a minute, don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to dispute your knowledge.

Kiri: oh no, no, no, no, no, I know that.

Skip: I don't mean it that way. What I'm doing is editing my own thoughts.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: but if you have a 20% waste on any engine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it's not self-sustaining.

Kiri: no it's not.

Skip: it's not self-sustaining.

Kiri: they need refueling.

Skip: that's right so you have to have......90% still isn't giving you a self-sustaining engine.

Kiri: no. 99.999 is what the engines up here run on. It's actually higher than that.

Skip: that is right at the very, very edge of complete self-sustaining.

Kiri: correct. If let's say we have a quantity of fuel and we're using the same fuel that you're using right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you take the fuel, let's say it's an ounce of fuel and an ounce of fuel will get you on your planet a mile.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: we take the same ounce of fuel, we put it into one of our transportation devices right? And we can get over one light year of energy from that ounce of fuel.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: in actual fact that ounce of fuel, if you're traveling in a warp capacity, will give you unlimited distance due to the fact of the area that you travel in when you reach the required dimensional specifications. Where the fuel is actually used is in the entry and the exit. So you take an ounce of fuel and you can travel let's say oh a million light years with that fuel and that is because of entry and exiting. Now the thing is that the further you travel, the more fuel that you need for your reentry.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so that fuel will burn totally, be used. You can travel a million light years on that piece of fuel. Half of it will be used....well actually about a quarter is used on entry.....on exiting and then three quarters is used on exiting.

Skip: okay.........biochemical engine.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: biochemical.

Kiri: now there is a popular theory on your planet that I've just been handed a rough transcript of and what the theory is, is that to travel within space, creating the warp engine.......

Skip uh-huh.

Kiri: what you do is, you have to bend space so that you're traveling within a bubble that is external to space whereas space moves, the bubble does not. You are within the bubble and you travel within the bubble and the bubble itself is moving within space but you are not moving within the bubble. Now, by projecting a beam of a particular type of energy which is generated from the engines, you create a hole that will open and the bubble actually plugs the hole, sealing the hole behind it. It is not so much of a hole as more of an opening like this kind of effect.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, your spaceship travels within a particular part of space. Some people call it on your planet a gray area.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you travel within that area and then projecting a beam in front of the vessel at the appropriate time opens up another hole and you pop out at your location where you want to go, you see?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: that theory is........all I can say is that theory is that theory. I can't say whether it would work or whether it would not work, rather I can say that it's a theory.

Skip: uh-huh. Dog gone it, I wish I could draw upon my past experiences.

Kiri: you will, all in good time, all in good time.

Skip: okay, anyhow, that's enough of brainstorming.

Kiri: oh pity, I was just getting warmed up.

Skip: I know, you do that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but I.....

Kiri: one of these days when you have time, we'll have to sit down and brainstorm and what makes it more challenging for me is what I'm not allowed to say.

Skip: yeah I know, I don't want you to do that. But we're.....

Kiri: you're running out of time as well aren't you?

Skip: yeah, well not only that but I can't seem to pull on what I know I know.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it just won't come back to me.

Kiri: no it's there for a reason.

Skip: I know.

Kiri: and it may be that the reason that you can't access it at this time is that the environmental setup is not ready yet.

Skip: it could be.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it could be. If I come up with something completely out of context with what everybody believes, I'd be laughed out of the world.

Kiri: well sometimes that happens, sometimes people that are thought of as jokesters and fools.......

Skip: I know.

Kiri: in actual fact are the ones that are way ahead. For example, a steam turbine.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: here's a nice little one, you take a spherical ball right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you insert two tubes.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you bend them so that one is facing down like this and one is facing up like this.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: so they're into the ball like this and then facing like this.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the ball is filled half with water.

Skip: yep.

Kiri: you heat the ball from an external source right? Say heat radiating up. The water starts to boil.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the shaft that the ball is sitting on to keep it over the heat source right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: is freestanding so that it can rotate one way or another.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: what happens when the water inside starts to boil?

Skip: it has to escape.

Kiri: and it escapes from?

Skip: through the tubes.

Kiri: which makes the ball do what?

Skip: spin.

Kiri: which makes the shaft that it's connected to do what?

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: turn.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: it turns. Who invented that?

Skip: I have no idea.

Kiri: a gentleman called Hero. He invented it about 3,000 years ago. Now let us look at that and say what would've happened if he had connected a wheel to the drive shaft?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and then used a rope to connect to another wheel?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: let's say a wheel on a lathe.

Skip: uh-huh. Or even a wheel on a vehicle.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: a form of transportation.

Kiri: incredible form of transportation.

Skip: the one that amazes me is this generator.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I can't think of the man's name right now. He invented quite a few different areas of electricity, oh he's attributed a lot of inventions way back when.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and this generator puts out a lot of voltage and no amperage.

Kiri: oh, a Van de Graaff generator.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Kiri: the Van de Graaff generator.

Skip: there you go, that's his name.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: he's attributed with a whole raft of different inventions.

Kiri: oh yes.

Skip: I've got a book at home, a catalog that the names of it is "Things you never knew existed".

Kiri: yeah. And I do apologize for taking that thought out of your head. I saw the device and I go, "I know what that is".

Skip: uh-huh, that's quite all right, that's quite all right, no, no that's fine but they have a complete histories on a lot of this.

Kiri: uh-huh. I just thought I'd tap it, see if it....anyway, let's wrap this up.


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