The Girl From Down Under- Channeled (01/16/96)

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Archivist Notes: G'day, this month's podcast features Nicole, a friend of ours visiting from Australia, and her second time on tape during a channeling session. She had met some of the members of Hades Base previously through an earlier session so she was already familiar with the crew. Having someone from a completely different country gave us a unique perspective of her impression on the topics discussed such as the influence America had made on Australian society. The main subjects of side one revolved initially around the predictions of Nostradamus, the size of government and a call to Skip who was going through a stressful time. Side two sees Omal pick up again about the size of governments around the world while the healer in Karra comes out as she provides some advice to our Aussie guest regarding her sister who had fallen from a five-story building. That revelation led to another one where Karra explains how she had been shot through the arm by a laser during her time in the Sirian Defense Force. Finally came the party girl Kiri who, during her time channeling, managed to start up a swimwear company with our friend from down under. Those familiar with the podcast from April called "Marriage, Money and the Man with the Can" will recall that the completion of Kiri and Nicole's agreement took place during that channeling session.

   After Tia hums a bit of "Fantasia" she gets the session started with our visiting Australian guest by opening the floor up to questions. A description of Tia's job on the base Nostradamus gets us into a discussion on possible end times and the times prior to those. The threat of global decline is enough for Tia to suggest some actions to get her involved in causes committed to reversing that trend. What follows is the progression of that decline defined by countries starting to experience the initial stages. We get the viewpoint of our Australian guest who has her perspective on the economic influence America has on her country. She lets on she's an accountant in her country so she and Tia get along famously. The welfare system of Australia and the United States comes up as well as how that same system almost destroyed Tia's home planet of Durondedunn. Economics take up some of the time just prior to our call to Skip who was going through a bit of angst over this stage of his life where age puts the pressure of life's accomplishments becomes a bigger incentive. So it is that Tia makes the snap decision to organize a BBQ for the channel session group here on Earth before remembering that the climate-controlled base she lived in lacked the snowy decks we had in Tahoe at the time. She ends her time channeling clearing up some confusion over Kiri on the base and Carrie our occasional guest who we'd call during several times wed meet to channel. At that point, Omal comes on and we delve back into what Tia had been discussing. We chat about the size of government how many people it takes to run a country. He then reminds us that 200 years ago how few people were in government compared to today yet the country ran smoothly with fewer people. He gets us to the end of the side with more of his history lesson by acknowledging that the pioneers of early America were actually very literate in a lot of cases. It was productive people looking for new frontiers for their productivity.

   Omal returns back to the topic as side two starts by addressing the challenges students have with today's educational system and stresses the need for self-education. That segues into a suggestion that our guest with her eloquence and strong feelings for her country should take an active role in the way the government is run. His suggestion is that she becomes a member of the Australian Parliament so her voice may be heard. Should that happen, he finishes up with a reminder to be true to herself no matter the outcome. Karra changes place with Omal and it's her that our guest has been wanting to speak to about her sister who had recovered from a bad accident but still had some lingering neck pain. In talking to our guest, Karra notes she also has a pain in her shoulder and recruits my help to relieve it with Kiri's control of Mark's body but Kiri declines. So it would be myself aided by Karra that would work on our guest at the end of the session who would massage her shoulder. The subject returns to our guest's sister and any advice Karra was able to provide. Ideas like neck braces and MRI's are tossed around but it is the survivor's guilt our guest feels in her heart for her sister that leads to a revelation from Karra. During a time while serving with the Sirian Defense Force with her bond mate on a 3rd dimensional world she had the tragic experience of seeing him killed by a laser prior to herself having a shot from a laser go through her arm. She ends while an observation that while we are a loving race, we tend to hurt the ones we love. Karra then makes way for her sister and Kiri would take us almost the end of the tape. Kiri finds a kindred spirit in our Australian guest as someone who likes to party as much as Kiri. Kiri invites her to the local bar on the base should she manage to astral travel up there. Her making the ski team opens up a line of conversation on the line of swimwear Kiri designs. After working out some personal suit requests, a company is formed verbally to sell her designs in Australia. We next work out the compensation in terms of wine that Kiri would normally barter to figure out a conversion figure for the ideas proposed. The possibilities are endless as a position in the government could be helped in that goal by a successful business venture. We end on the high note that at least she wouldn't need to hire an accountant.       

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2.)(32:43)- Omal uses the answer about the financial economic health of Mexico to address the size of world governments. It gives him a chance as well to give a lesson on the high literacy rate of the American pioneers.

1.)(00:00)- Omal encourages people to become more self-educated and then encourages a guest visiting from Australia to become active in governmental politics so that her concerns about her country can be heard.
2.)(12:20)- Karra helps our guest with some advice regarding her sister who still had issues after falling from a building. It leads to Karra reminding our guest of when she was shot with a laser through the arm.
3.)(21:31)- Kiri announces the good news that she had made it onto the ski team and then offers to design a few swimsuits for our guest. That leads to the proposal of a company selling Kiri's swimsuit designs in Australia.
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(Tia begins the session by informing our guest of her age in our years)

Tia: 27, no, 26 in your years.

John: you got it in?

Russ: yeah, it’s working.

Nicole: what your name?

Tia: Tia, they haven’t told you about me?

Nicole: yes they have.

Tia: and what have they told you? No I’m not a ghost, we’ve covered that haven’t we? Or Mark covered that with you? What do you want to know? Relax.

Russ: how did you like Fantasia love?

Tia: hmm, it’s all right.

(Tia starts humming “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” after Russ starts her off)

Russ: who’s on tonight love?

Tia: who?

Russ: any special guests tonight?

Tia: who’s on first? Who’s on first?

Russ: I’m not playing, we'll go around and around in circles.

Tia: spoilsport.

Russ: yeah I know.

Tia: okay, down to business. What questions do you got for me guys before we get underway?

John: you still keep in contact with Durondedunn?

Tia: oh you're learning, you're learning, sometimes. Yes I do astral travel to my home planet.

John: have you ever had an opportunity to take a spaceship there?

Tia: no.

John: no.

Tia: they don’t let me.

John: oh okay. How often do you project yourself there?

Tia: oh once every so often but it’s a real strain on me, it’s quite some way out in space.

John: can Mark make it that far?

Tia: uh-huh, yeah.

John: he’s been that far?

Tia: uh-huh, he’s a smarty-pants clever, hah. It’s bad for your health you know.

John: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: so there is some wear and tear on your third dimensional body?

Tia: no, smoking.

John: oh, what’s that? Oh, yeah, I’m well aware of that.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah you should talk to Mark about it sometime.

Tia: I do constantly and what do I hear? It’s on my list of things to give up when I stop breathing.

(Tia sighs in exasperation)

John: well he did advise me to switch to the roll-your-own kind?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: the more pure tobacco?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and I’ve been able to do that.

Tia: okay and now the thing is to cut down on those.

John: I have.

Tia: oh good.

John: I’m working on it.

Tia: maybe we can…..

John: so I am making a conscious effort.

Tia: uh-huh, maybe we can get Buster here, this person to cut down and you smoke too don’t you?

Nicole: yeah.

Tia: it’s a bad habit. Hold out your wrist and go naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty........go on.

Nicole: naughty, naughty, naughty…… know my name.

Tia: vaguely, it’s Nikki isn’t it?

Nicole: that's what I usually get called.

Tia: oh.

Nicole: I prefer to be called Nicole now as I get older.

Tia: oh, as we get older huh? Well I can’t tell you my full name because you wouldn’t be able to get your tongue around it in my native language. So what do you want to know? Oh well, we’re going to sit here and look at each other huh?

Nicole: that’s what I’m doing with you.

Tia: yeah, it's hard to visualize me with Mark’s body isn’t it?

John: yeah, considering you’re five-foot two, strawberry blonde hair.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: she thinks you’re a lot prettier than Mark.

Tia: I am a lot prettier than Mark but Mark has his advantages.

Nicole: so what do you do on your planet Tia?

Tia: well where I am now, I analyze information, research data and I research all sorts of interesting things actually. Politics, world events, civil events, all sorts of interesting things. Go on, ask me a question.

Nicole: do you believe in Nostradamus’ predictions?

Tia: hmm, I’ve read his predictions but believing in them there is certain random factors that are inevitable. At the turn-of-the-century on your planet they were making movies about going to the moon. Totally impossible they said, totally impossible, flights of fantasy. And what are they doing? They’re going out beyond your moon. They’re sending probes to all sorts of places. Jupiter for one, where’s another one that they sent one recently to? I think they’re sending another one out here as well.

Nicole: so do you think the last prediction made, or not the last prediction…..

Tia: oh, the one about the guy with the blue turban?

Nicole: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: not the last one but in 3,900.......

Tia: yeah, about the guy with the blue turban.

Nicole: who destroys……

Tia: much of the world.

Nicole: yeah.

Tia: no, I don’t think he’s going to materialize. Now the question is, how did I know that that was your question?

Nicole: how did you know Tia?

Tia: because it’s right above your head. It was the first thing that you were thinking of.

Nicole: I watched a movie the other day, a documentary…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: and I thought it would be perfect, it's between the years 1994 and 1999….

Tia: uh-huh, yeah.

Nicole: I'm going to be still alive so I'm quite concerned.

Tia: uh-huh, well if my memory is correct on his predictions, he doesn’t make any reference to a Southern continent.

Nicole: no but still, I don’t wish that upon…..

Tia: anybody.

Nicole: anyone in this world.

Tia: I don’t think he’s going to come, there’s going to be continuing civil strife but as for the guy in the blue turban, there is a possibility that he’s already here and it’s not a blue turban.

Nicole: blue beret?

Tia: hmm, no, he hasn’t worn a blue beret.

Nicole: because there's a fellow that Mark was telling me…..

Tia: Mark is wrong, he’s never worn a blue beret.

Nicole: right, you know Mark mentioned that there is a certain Iranian or Iraqian….

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: that wears a blue beret?

Tia: hmm, I don’t think he wears a blue beret.

Nicole: oh.

Tia: other colors yes but I don’t think he’s ever worn a blue, blue beret.

Nicole: well, is there anything that could stop the destruction other than people that actually press the button?

Tia: uh-huh, action, one person can make a difference because with one person you can start a ball rolling. If you go out onto a mountaintop right? And you make a snowball in your hands and you start rolling it downhill it gets bigger and bigger doesn’t it?

Nicole: yeah.

Tia: and it gets to a point where it’s very big and will continue moving under its own inertia correct?

Nicole: right.

Tia: and that is what one person can do, they can start the ball rolling. And how you deal with political corruption and bickering would be to form action groups, pry into the government’s affairs, find out what’s going on, listen, analyze, think your own thoughts not what they tell you to think but what you want to think.

Nicole: political heads don't listen to little people like me.

Tia: yes they do, if there’s enough of you.

Nicole: it’s a matter of getting enough people.

Tia: uh-huh, I’m sure that there’s lots of people that you could get to help you. There was a gentleman here’re from the same place aren’t you?

Nicole: what place is that?

Tia: from the gentleman who that was here last year, what’s his name?

Russ: Ando.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: oh right, Ando yeah.

Tia: you know him?

Nicole: yep.

Tia: did he tell you about me teasing him?

Nicole: he told me about........

Tia: ohhh. Yes, I teased him, I’ll tease anybody that is that open and receptive.

Nicole: it is funny. It’s too easy.

Tia: uh-huh, it is easy. Okay, we were covering Nostradamus’ predictions.

Russ: so if you see one place then you see all over?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Damn….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh well.

Tia: yep, that’s the way it goes.

Russ: yeah, I can only hope.

Tia: uh-huh, some places are already in projection A already and progressing nicely into it although that’s a bad way to say it. They're progressing.

Russ: so, in another words, you got places that have got, because of the unbalanced budget….

Tia: of their nation.

Russ: oh, in their nation?

Tia: uh-huh, there’s a lot that are unbalanced. There’s one country in particular, and I know who’s been following this a little bit, that is having strikes and things because they want to balance their budget in three years.

Russ: who, France?

Tia: uh-huh, isn’t that so?

Nicole: I don’t know too much about France’s budget?

Tia: oh.

Nicole: sorry.

Tia: oh that’s all right.

Nicole: but I do have concern about the country…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: being that half my family live there.

Tia: yeah and people are striking all over the place or I believe the strike is over now.

Nicole: yeah I know they’re striking.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: would you say that the macro economic decline is pretty much planetary?

Tia: yes, because it’s reached a point in saturation of the markets. For example, let me see.....okay, you want fresh strawberries right?

John: yeah.

Tia: now, 10 or 15 years ago you couldn’t get them without paying a lot of money this time of year on your planet, right when it’s all white and wet down there.

Russ: yeah right.

John: yeah that’s true.

Tia: now you can go to the supermarket and buy them whenever you want, where do they come from?

Russ: greenhouses.

Tia: and?

John: other countries.

Tia: thank you.

John: with different growing seasons.

Tia: correct. So therefore what has happened is that the market has been expanded and it’s reached a point where you can get whatever you want whenever you want and it cuts down on the numbers of suppliers because it costs to bring things in to your local neighborhood so therefore it bumps up the price and pushes the smaller guys out of business which in turn makes the bigger guys have a much more bigger profit margin so they can push the price up little bit more.

John: yeah that’s true.

Tia: uh-huh, so you reach a point of saturation and when you reach that point, people get put out of work because the price plummets down having climbed up to a nice respectable number it plummets back down and the big growers have to lay off their workforce to be economically viable and you have an overbalance.

Russ: hmm.

John: so it would be safe to say that we are in a planetary A stage of deterioration?

Tia: hmm, very early stage, in some places it’s progressed further and other places haven’t progressed further. There is a gentleman that was in the…..hold on let me get my notes out here…..oh yes, gentleman responsible for banking problems in…'s around here somewhere……..ahh yes, banking problems……..I think his name is Keating?

John: oh yeah.

Nicole: even in Australia.

Tia: uh-huh and what did he do to the banks? He really goofed them up didn’t he?

Russ: Savings and Loan thing.

John: yeah, the Savings and Loans yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. So, Australia is in the early, early stages or pre-stages to situation A but the Savings and Loan scandals when Bush was in office…..

John: right.

Tia: were the startings of your problems…..

John: right.

Tia: you see? With Australia, there is still a chance to avoid it and to become an isolated, economically secure area.

Russ: so the way they do that is by becoming self-sufficient?

Tia: uh-huh and they can do it.

Russ: yeah, what’s going to promote that?

Tia: by watching the bigger countries with larger populations start to fall to pieces.

Nicole: yeah that’s our biggest problem, we like America’s big influence on us and we follow them a lot….

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: and I just wish that we'd stay the hell away from America as….

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: far as…..

Tia: economic.

Nicole: yeah, influence.....

Russ: it'd be healthier, that’s for sure.

Nicole: sorry?

Russ: it'd be healthier for you.

Nicole: yeah for sure. Yeah America….

John: well the impact with Canada and Mexico…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: NAFTA?
John: is very similar to the situation in the United States even though there's different social systems.

Tia: well Mexico is a fine example of a country that has progressed deep into territory A, they’re in the first stages……..not the first stages, second stages. Sorry, I do apologize.

Russ: so Tia, we could watch them and get an idea of what's going to happen here?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: because I haven’t followed them very closely, I should probably follow it more closely.

Tia: I’m surprised that you’re not following them because you do….

Russ: America, I know. But I don't understand……

John: they're suppressing a lot of that information of what’s going on down there.

Russ: oh they are?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I got told some information by some Latinos that is.......and they’re not really publicizing it, they're suppressing that information so it’s tough to come by from what I found.

Russ: oh I see.

Tia: uh-huh and another place to watch is a very big country that has broken down into minor countries and to watch that country is another place to watch. They are not as far as long as the place south of the border but they’re just as far down the road…..or a little bit further down the road than you guys are.

John: is it North America?

Tia: no.

Russ: no, Soviet Union.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: oh okay.

Russ: now the question is, if the country gets desperate enough, would there be an aggressive stance on their part toward us?

Tia: no, they will come to you to look for aid.

Russ: but if we’re going downhill?

Tia: you’ve got more than they’ve got and you can help them.

Russ: yeah but that will just send us down quicker right?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: especially without a balanced budget.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

John: snow.

Tia: oh.

Russ: now what were mentioning layoffs earlier, I was talking to Mark about the downsizing effect….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and how major companies where they had a 20% profit last year are looking at a 13% profit this year. The 20% was strictly all based upon the downsizing they did.

Tia: yes and 13%, what happens when they reach the point where they are starting to become economically unviable and they're looking at their 20% and their 13% and they want to get back to it? What happens is, I refer you to my answer I gave some minutes ago.

Russ: hmm, so they’re going to downsize again.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: but now the thing is, if they’re putting out 50,000 people out of work off at AT&T or something?

Tia: uh-huh, yeah….

Russ: then those people don’t buy products which brings other companies down even farther right?

Tia: uh-huh which again is a step down the road.

Russ: causes more downsizing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: well…..the actual….

Tia: relax.

Nicole: high employment….

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: low-inflation…….

Tia: that’s right.

Nicole: is what it all comes down to.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: employment and inflation has to balance off.....

Tia: that’s right.

Nicole: and that is what the budget really has to concentrate on.

Tia: uh-huh. You have to cut down the expenditures of the government, the size of the government is totally unnecessary. Even on my home planet we never had a government that big since we became a peaceable race.

Russ: hmm, well it’s a more independent kind of planet that you come from anyway though right?

Tia: uh-huh yeah.

Russ: I mean you don’t have welfare.

Tia: no, we had it and it almost destroyed our planet.

Russ: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: do you have currency?

Tia: yeah, on my home planet yes, up here no.

Russ: well what did you guys use for currency on your home planet?

Tia: oh…..

Russ: hamsters?

(Tia says jokingly) yes, hamsters.

(everyone starts laughing)

Nicole: I'm going to have one of Mark's cigarettes.

Tia: it’s bad for your health you know, it stunts your growth. I was about to say, you want to be five-foot two all your life?

Nicole: I’m not five-foot two, I’m five-foot seven.

Tia: hmm, so I’d get a crick in the neck talking to you.

Russ: I wish you were talking to me.

Nicole: how tall are you, five-foot two?

Tia: yeah five-foot two.

Nicole: I'll get down on my knees then.

(Russ and John start laughing loudly)

(Tia says jokingly) you wait, I’ll come down and I’ll bite you.

Nicole: I hope we’re still friends.

Tia: we are.

Russ: what a low blow.

Tia: oohh, that was low as well.

Nicole: I'm only joking Tia.

John: oh God, that was a good one.

Nicole: I'm only joking Tia, I mean no harm to anyone, I’m just a sarcastic person.

Tia: I can be sarcastic too.

Nicole: that’s cool, I can take it all in fun.

Tia: I’ve been told to behave.

Russ: okay so….

John: okay let’s….

Russ: all right, so we’re looking at Mexico as an example to watch out for.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now if they......because they have various forms of currency problems.....the fact that they use currency is different’s going to be the same thing we have right?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: but on a larger scale.

Tia: you see what they did was that their money started to run into problems so they printed more money and again that increased the problems, there was more money in circulation so they printed more money.

John: yeah and they didn’t have the gold or the….

Tia: resources.

John: resources to back it up.

Tia: yeah, that’s right.

Russ: will they privatize the banks?

Tia: hmm no, I don’t think they will, the government wants to keep control so that they can collect taxes for their treasury so that they can carry on with their social programs and keep paying the police officers and the army to stop them from branching out on their own.

John: now wouldn’t Mexico’s deterioration accelerate both United States and Canada’s economic deterioration?

Tia: hmm yes and no. In the areas in the southern part of your country, yes it will because that is where most of the trading goes on between Mexico and your country. With Canada, it’s the northern part of your country that does the bulk of the trading there so that wouldn’t be as affected as much. However, as people move from areas that have been affected by the economic problems in Mexico migrate to the north, they bring the problem with them. That there is overpopulation of those areas and it is necessary to find work for them and housing and so on and again that creates a stress on the population.

Nicole: and also their money, most of the Mexicans send it home don’t they?

Tia: uh-huh, so you….

Nicole: so that’s money going out of the country.

Tia: taking it out of the economy, you’re very quick to pick up on that.

Nicole: I’m an accountant back in Australia.

Tia: oh, you are?

Nicole: yeah.

Tia:  hmm, yes, I’m what you might say an analyst.

Nicole: I like analyism too.

Tia: yeah, it’s a lot of fun. Some of things I analyze I can’t say about.

Russ: so if this is going to affect our situation up here….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: as what happens in Mexico…

(Tia speaks only to Nicole who is giggling) no, they’re not those sort of things.

Nicole: I wasn’t thinking anything.

Russ: how is our do we work around that?

Nicole: sorry.

Tia: how do we work around it?

Russ: in other words, do we as a government or a country prohibit the crossing of the border or granting of visas or something?

Tia: you cut down on it. To make sure your country is stable, what do you have to do? And I’m going to make a quote here from a gentleman by the name of De Gaulle. I couldn’t say his first name, I couldn’t get my mouth to pronounce it and I couldn’t get Mark’s to make the right shape as well. De Gaulle he’s….

Nicole: De Gaulle the French?

Tia: yes, what did he say?

Nicole: I don’t know.

Tia: France for the French.

Nicole: yeah, yeah.

Tia: he was referring to America trying trying give them Trident missiles.

Nicole: we had a prime minister……sorry, I’m so used to president……we had a prime minister in Australia and his name was Bob Hawke?

Tia: uh-huh. Yep, I’m fully aware of Bob Hawke.

Nicole: he brought so many Asians or he believed in immigration big-time......

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: and I know what you mean, French for France or whatever......

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: Australia for Australia, America for America, Mexico for Mexico.

Tia: that’s right.

Nicole: Mexico have got no idea their government, they have a rich, they have a poor.

Tia: I’m going to quote a……I think he was the second or third American president....and he was the second.....and his statement was, "a little revolution from time to time is a good thing". Who was that Russ?

Russ: that would be Jefferson.

Tia: uh-huh. I was about to say if you don’t get it right I'll move on to the next person. Okay, now we'll come back to this but first of all we need to get Skip on the blower.

John: okay, I’ll give him a call right now.

Russ: before we get him on the phone I can ask you a question.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what we're basically looking at right now is Mark, me and Johnny are planning for our retirement years in about two of them right?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah, that’s a good way to put it.

Russ: so if you look at this card here, can you open your eyes.

Tia: move it a little closer. The three of…

Russ: wands.

Tia: what’s that meant to mean?

Russ: looking over the situation at hand.

Tia: ahh, no, it doesn’t work anymore. No it’s gone, can’t get a look. Kiri can though, she’ll open Mark’s eyes and look at people.

Russ: that’s basically where we're at right now?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we are observing around us but the time of action is also at hand.

Tia: yeah.

(John gets Skip on the phone)

John: hello, is Skip in please? This is John in South Lake Tahoe. Hey Skip, how’s things? All right, we’ve got Hades Base online here.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: oh yeah, well with the weather.........I’m going to a put you on the speakerphone. Okay, the speaker’s on.

Tia: okay it’s on?

Skip: okay?

Tia: okay, how you doing?

Skip: fine, who am I talking to?

Tia: there’s only one person with pointed ears you’d talk to isn’t there?

Skip: how are you tonight?

Tia: I’m doing fine.

Skip: are you sure?

Tia: absolutely sure, I’m boisterous, I’m full of energy. Don’t know about Mark though.

Skip: I got a question.

Tia: huh?

Skip: I got a question this evening.

Tia: okay.

Skip: I have a problem with being on the very verge emotionally of panic.

Tia: uh-huh, but you haven’t panicked yet correct?

Skip: no I haven’t, I’m in control of it.

Tia: now how have you been controlling it?

Skip: by becoming interested in something completely different than my emotions.

Tia: hmmm.

Skip: in other words working, concentrating on a problem, whatever it is but still hanging there right behind everything I’m doing.

Tia: hmm, I’ve got to think here for a second, I’m going to confer briefly. The thing is, what is causing the panic? Is it a particular thing that you think of?

Skip: nothing that I know of. I’m kind of at a loss to understand what’s happened to me.

Tia: uh-huh. Hmm, is it because……there is a possibility that you’re looking at the future and seeing things that you’re planning for not coming as quickly as you want, is that a possibility?

Skip: that could be.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: because there's more to life than what I’m doing.

Tia: hmm, I think we've just hit it on the head there.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: okay, what you’ve got to do is to plan and to....what’s the word? Maintain an even keel but plan for the next stage of what you want to do and I assume that involves making money with your business correct?

Skip: yes.

Tia: okay, so what you’ve got to do is you continue working so that you've got an income but you start to make that happen as well.

Skip: okay, all right, okay. In other words get off my duff and get going here?

Tia: uh-huh and I assure you that the feeling of panic will disappear once you start putting your plan into action. But first of all what you have to do is to formulate a plan of where you want to be in six months, where you want to be in a year, where you want to be in two years and five years and so on, okay? And you have to set goals. The first goal shouldn’t be too big in six months but the one in a year has to be at least twice the size of the one in six months. So by doing that, it’s keeping your mind totally occupied and you won't suffer from this feeling of panic or fear.

Skip: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: okay.

Tia: and what we will do is, not next week, the week after, we’re having a party.

Skip: we are?

Tia: yes, we’re having a party.

Skip: we are?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: next week?

Tia: no not next week, the week after which would be what day? Anybody got a calendar handy?

John: yeah I do, I got one right over here.

Skip: 28.

Russ: 28?

Russ: 30th.

Tia: 30th. They’re saying the 30th.

Skip: the 30th, okay?

Tia: yeah, okay we’ll have a party…

Skip: all right.

Tia: we’ll invite everybody.

Skip: okay.

Tia: okay?

Skip: okay, I’ll bring my lady too.

Tia: uh-huh of course.

Skip: right, okay thank you.

Tia: of course and what would you like for that party? A barbecue or…

Skip: I think it's going to be too snowy for a barbecue.

Tia: oh that’s right yeah, it’s winter isn't it down there?

(Skip starts laughing)

Tia: well I can’t help it, I live in a climate-controlled area.

Skip: well we got snow down here.

Tia: hmm yes, it was meant to…….

Skip: not here where I’m at but where Mark's at we got snow there.

Tia: yes, that’s what Johnny was saying just now about the snow.

Skip: yes, that’s why I’m down here in the Carson Valley.

Tia: uh-huh, very smart move. I don’t mind playing in the snow…..

Skip: hey darling, thank you very much.

Russ: hey Skip, need the snowblower back?

Skip: no, I don’t have snow down here.

Russ: oh okay.

Skip: you’re okay up there.

Tia: okay.

Skip: all right?

Tia: okay, we’re glad that we got everything taken care of and I look forward to talking to you soon.

Skip: yes indeed, me too. Hey you take care of the kids, love you dearly.

Tia: okay I will and give everybody a big hug down there and mess up Velvet's hair for me.

Skip: I sure will.

Tia: okay?

Skip: all right.

Tia: okay bye.

Russ: bye Skip.

Skip: so long people, have a good one.

John: bye.

Russ: you too bud.

Nicole: bye. He only stays on for…….

Tia: uh-huh, it’s a long-distance call.

Russ: right, yeah.

Tia: has it gone dead?

Russ: no, I turned it off.

Tia: oh you did? How did you do that?

Russ: I just pushed speaker.

Tia: oh, it’s dead. Hmm, okay Karra and myself conferred and when we got to the fact that he was having difficulty with where he was going in life, it was sort of like she sat up and went, "bingo, he’s got a fear of age".

Russ: well he said he's got a lady now?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: I haven’t even met her yet. Who is she?

Tia: I’ve met her a few times, I think her name's Jody?

(it is actually Judy)

Russ: younger?

Tia: yeah, younger.

Russ: oh that will be good for him then.

Tia: uh-huh yeah, I’ve met her a couple of times, she’s fun.

Russ: let's see, that’s two weeks…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we can get them up for a channeling session then.

Tia: well we're talking to Carrie next week aren’t we?

Russ: oh yeah right.

Nicole: can’t we talk to Carrie today?

Tia: no, we have to set it up in advance.

Nicole: oh really?

Russ: because it’s two hours later and it’s 11 o’clock back there right now.

Tia: yes, she is probably asleep.

Nicole: no I mean Kiri as in up there?

Russ: oh no, no, this is Carrie.

Tia: uh-huh.

Nicole: oh, a human being.

Russ: no, yeah Kiri......

John: yeah.

Russ: Kiri is up there. I know, it gets confusing for most everybody except for me and Mark.

Nicole: yeah. Because Kiri....

Tia: Carrie and Kiri.

John: and you spell that CARRIE.

Nicole: and the Kiri we're talking about is spelled KARI.

Russ: KI…

John: KIRI.

Nicole: sorry?

Russ: KIRI.

Nicole: oh Kiri.

Tia: I don’t read English.

Nicole: don’t you?

Tia: no.

Nicole: well how can you be so knowledgeable about….

Tia: I listen.

Nicole: data and world events?

Tia: because I listen, I have it translated on my computer terminal.

Nicole: but you’ve got to read that on your computer terminal.....oh, you have another language.

Tia: yeah, I have another language.

Nicole: oh okay, sorry.

Tia: yeah. Okay, we're going to put the next person on.

Russ: okay.

Nicole: see you later.

Tia: yeah, I’ll be back.

Russ: bye love.

Tia: I'm just trying to decide who I should put on next. I’ve got his leg going again.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Tia: well, I'll see you guys later.

John: all right, see you later.

Russ: bye love.

Nicole: bye.

(Omal begins his time channeling)

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Nicole, I do believe we have already met.

Nicole: yeah.

Omal: yes.

Nicole: my first time I didn’t really have a good understanding.

Omal: oh that is all right. So we were teasing Johnny over there, greetings Johnny…

John: greeting.

Omal: about his family forming an outlaw gang being the Hole In the Wall Gang.

John: yes you were.

Omal: so that is why there was a lot of laughing and smiling going on prior to your coming downstairs.

Nicole: right.

Omal: okay….

Nicole: first of all can I just ask…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Nicole: what are you knowledgeable about?

Omal: ask me a question on anything.

Nicole: really?

Omal: yes.

Nicole: as far as someone’s health is concerned, would you or Kiri be the best to speak to?

Omal: Karra would be.

Nicole: Karra.

Omal: I have limited knowledge on healing however I can confer with Karra if it is of utmost importance.

Nicole: it is.

Omal: okay.

Nicole: would I be able to speak to her tonight?

Omal: yes, she is present, she is currently sitting clipping her fingernails.

Nicole: okay.

Omal: somebody complained that they were too long apparently.

Nicole: okay, well I might leave it til she comes on.

Omal: okay. Questions.

Russ: hmm okay, Tia was talking to us about Mexico and the problems they’re having down there and with those problems that they’re having, how is our government do you feel going to respond to that?

Omal: give them financial aid and support, try to subsidize their operations of industry. In turn, creating a false economy and when a false economy runs out what happens? Things go kaput.

Russ: right.

Omal: and I will make a quote, "if you want to be happy for a day kill a pig", "if you want to be fed for a day kill a chicken. If you want to be fed for a week kill a pig. If you want to be fed for life learn to fish". In other words, what they need to do is learn to support themselves, not surviving on handouts.

Russ: yeah but they’re sort of used to it by now. I mean it’s just like welfare people up here….

Omal: correct.

Russ: they’re used to it and I think the point's past where they could get to self-support.

Nicole: maybe they just don’t haven’t got the initiative because the government has taken so much away from them?

Omal: that is very likely. After all, Mexico does have a very high tax rate, it also has some very lax laws which contributes to corruption.

Russ: hmm, so essentially what we’re looking at is both Mexico and ourselves doing without government.

Omal: you need a group of elected officials to represent you on the world stage….

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: so therefore a government is necessary but a large government like Mexico has, like your country, Canada, France, most of the world as a matter of fact, having a large governmental body and a large bureaucracy under that governmental body is a drain on the people. How many percent of your population works for the government in one capacity or another?

Russ: hmm, I don’t have any numbers.

John: about a quarter or 20% or so?

Omal: I think it is a little less, I think it is about 18%.

John: 18%?

Omal: now if you travel backwards in time 200 years to when your country was just a young nation, do you know what percentage of the population at that time worked for the government?

Russ: hmm?

Omal: less than 1%, much less.

John: yeah that’s what I would guess, yeah.

Russ: wow.

Omal: and your country did extremely well without such a large governmental body. Admittedly it was a smaller population but in proportion there were far fewer people working for the government.

Russ: is this just because of the lack of educational levels that were available at the time?

Omal: actually the educational levels, the standards were quite high for those people that could get education. However, being a pioneer society at that time, it was hard for people to get education and those that had were in high demand. Education was certainly very prevalent. If you just walk down the street you will see old schools. If you go down to the valley to the east of you you’ll see old schools, single room schools.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: and the educational levels were much higher.

Russ: I see.

Omal: that is part of the problem of a bureaucracy is that education no longer plays an important part. What is the average reading level of a child that leaves school today compared to one that left let’s say 20 years ago?

John: sixth or seventh grade.

Russ: no I’d say higher, I’d say more like around 10th, 11th.

Nicole: yeah, same in our country.

Omal: but it is less than it was when people 20 years ago were leaving school….

Russ: right.

Omal: much less. The average college student has a very poor education and is very poorly prepared in your country for going to college, especially children from the large inner cities where the actual level of reading skill is lower.

Russ: well has the emphasis on education changed then?

Omal: yes.

Russ: to what?

Omal: to a liberal form of education, you do not push the child because you do not wish the child to feel bad, you have to build up the child’s esteem of itself. Which in a certain extent, yes that is a good idea however if you take it too far, then it fails and fails dramatically.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now back then though, I mean you had a choice between going to school or working on your father’s farm…

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or whatever business he was doing. You learned your father’s business because someday you would be taking that over.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you didn’t have the proportion of people who went to school. I mean here you have mandatory school for everyone….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: back then it was optional.

Omal: yes and the standard of education was much higher.

Russ: right.

Omal: most people, especially the pioneers, were very literate. It is common for a country to lose its productive proportion because they see their own country becoming unproductive and they want to continue being productive so they move somewhere else were they can. Productive people tend to be intelligent, intelligent people tend to be literate.

Russ: I see. Well back then parents would teach their children….

Omal: at home.

Russ: at home whereas now people just kick their kids off to school and trust the school to do all the work for them.

Omal: and they have……




(Omal returns to the subject at hand)

John: but she works in one of the top school systems in the world.

Omal: and that is my answer right there, what Johnny just said is very true, teachers are paid quite well however some of the teachers are very poor in education. It became a popular pursuit to become a teacher, the market was flooded with teachers and in turn the demand for teachers was decreased, the pay scale dropped, all the good ones dropped out, what are you left with?

Russ: hmm, you're left with people who aren’t teaching our children the way they should be.

Omal: there are always the exceptions to the rules.

Russ: so now more than ever, self-education should be the….

Omal: should be….

Russ: the goal of everyone.

Omal: correct. There is a gentleman that I am aware of through various sources who was taught at home. The gentleman is about 80, he is a computer you might say wizz kid, he is very literate. His education has been finished off in a public school whereas he is looked upon as being very, very smart.

Russ:  hmm.

Omal: but he is no smarter than anybody else, it’s just that he has been educated.

John: well isn’t there a dramatic increase in people educating their children at home?

Omal: I believe so yes.

John: yes, I do believe that’s true. Because we do have the technology nowadays where you can do it but you’ve got to be a good, conscientious parent to do that.

Omal: and to push them to do their work. It has been a long time since I have been a parent.

Russ: uh-huh, okay. So what do we get from all of this then?

Omal: you get from all this that education is very important. The people that are out there are not very literate, they do not have a very strong linguistic ability of even their own language.

Russ: uh-huh, okay.

Omal: you could think of yourselves as being very lucky to be well-educated. I’m not fully versed on the young lady’s area of education from her area but I assume that it is of a high standard as she is quite eloquent when she has spoken.

Nicole: thank you Omal.

Omal: you’re welcome.

Nicole: that’s a nice complement.

Omal: okay, last questions please.

Nicole: yeah, can I ask one?

Omal: certainly.

Nicole: are you familiar with Australia’s budget at all?

Omal: no, I am not familiar with it but I can ask one of my analysts who is impersonating of those things that go up and down.

Russ: pogo stick.

Omal: yes.

Nicole: oh right, okay so I can you the question?

Omal: okay, ask me the question, there may be a delay.

Nicole: okay. In Australia our unemployed, we get Social Security, unemployment benefits and we get that on a fortnightly basis and we can be on that for as long as we want until we find a job whereas America is only on it 26 weeks. There’s people in Australia that I know one in particular who’s been on it 15 years. Now they’re thinking what they’ve done, every employer it is compulsory for the employer to give their employee a super enumeration which is 3% out of their wages into a super fund. So when they retire, then they’ve got that money to live on? Now that is all has come about so that they can cut out Social Security and unemployment benefits. Now Australia gives a lot of money, that’s one of their highest revenue brackets…….

Omal: uh-huh.

Nicole: not revenue, expense brackets so the government is going to be a lot better off but can you see what’s going to happen to the people that….

Omal: they are going to become very unhappy the people that are on Social Security because they will have it taken away so therefore those people would be forced to do some work. Instead of expecting a handout from their government, they will have to go out and work or they will starve.

Nicole: but the jobs aren’t there.

Omal: they are there if they are prepared to look. I am sure that people are capable of being entrepre....…..being capable of finding other ways of making money. People do not like to do jobs that they perceive as below themselves. For example, you have……no you don’t have a problem with litter in your country do you?

Nicole: sorry?

Omal: do you have a problem with litter in your country?

Nicole: no, not really….

Omal: what about the roads…..

Nicole: we have organizations that clean up the beach about three times a year.

Omal: why not have a group of individuals that are paid to do that? Or what about your roads in the interior of your country, they’re very poorly paved.

Nicole: why? Because…..well for instance cleaning up the beaches, we have organizations like Surfrider foundation…

Omal: uh-huh.

Nicole: that do that. They get together like for instance the Gold Coast?

Omal: uh-huh.

Nicole: they’ve got one branch on the Gold Coast and all their members get together and clean up the beaches and they do it for nothing for the love of their beaches.

Omal: of course.

Nicole: but what I’m concerned about is we don’t have a problem of… would I say it? Of people living on the street?

Omal: uh-huh.

Nicole: I mean we do, I mean it’s not a problem, we do have people like that but not like America? Like it’s very few and far between that you see a person that is down and out living on a park bench and that’s how I feel that are people on unemployment benefits are going to turn out.

Omal: hmm, it is a matter of being able to support them or not. If a government is prosperous and the nation is prosperous then yes they can support them however, if a government or a country goes into stagnation, then they can no longer support them. So, concerning the individuals that are not willing to achieve anything, it is their experience. If they wish to live the way that they live, then that is their choice but what they learn from that is up to them. If they can turn around and be productive individuals, even if they’re being paid under the table, then that is good for them. Maybe they can go on and open up their own business, maybe open up a surf shop?

Nicole: but the government's not helping by bringing immigrants into the country.

Omal: I refer you to a statement that was made a little while ago, French for……now you have me doing it.

Russ: France for French.

Omal: correct.

Nicole: right.

Omal: Australia for the Australians. Maybe you’re the right person with your eloquent speech to start things happening. Maybe just by talking to your friends it will start to happen. Maybe you can get a……a roots movement going? Grassroots movement going so that you can get individuals together to pester their representatives and their senators to do some action?

Nicole: I found that the governments are stubborn, they don’t listen to anyone else except themselves and they don’t think of the consequences of the future ahead. They look at it and they think right yeah, that’s an expense for our government yet they don’t think of you know?

Omal: what is the legal age in your country to become a member of your governmental body as a representative or senator?

Nicole: we don’t have senators.

Omal: oh, you have…..

Nicole: we have, oh what do you call them? Prime Minister’s…

Omal: oh you have a British type system.

Nicole: yeah.

Omal: that would be members of Parliament?

Nicole: yes.

Omal: how old you have to be……?

Nicole: ministers.

Omal: how old do you have to be one?

Nicole: well I’m not too sure of that but to have any say in government you've got to be 18 years old.

Omal: well, there is your answer, grab it by the horns and hop on for the ride of your life. It will never be dull but remember, to your own self be true.

Russ: hmm.

Nicole: okay.

Omal: you want to make things happen, take the bull by the horns, do it. You are eloquent enough, you are educated enough, you have the ability with your voice control to do so. Take it by the horns.

Nicole: what, like communicating? Because I’m better at communicating through writing.

Omal: whatever way do it, a newspaper.

Nicole: because I get all tongue-tied sometimes.

Omal: you will overcome that, it comes with maturity on being lacking in tongue-tied. Even myself, I get tongue-tied from time to time. I am sure that Russ gets tongue-tied from time to time……

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: but the more that you practice, the more you communicate, the less it becomes. So what I’m saying is become a member of your country’s government. Get involved, make things happen, become a member of Parliament. Who knows, you could be the first Prime Minister of your country of the female orientation. Wouldn’t that be cap in your feather?

Nicole: mean a feather in your cap.

Omal: it is your language not mine.

(Nicole chuckles)

Nicole: okay.

Omal: it’s one of many that I speak. Okay, I must depart.

Russ: farewell Omal.

Omal: live long and prosper, I believe you are into that Internet entertainment mode.

Russ: yes we are.

John: yes we are, see you later bud.

Omal: see you later Johnny. See you later Nicole?

Nicole: bye Omal.

Omal: see you later Russ.

Russ: bye Omal.

Omal: one to beam up.

(Tia gets us over to Karra)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay next person, we got to hustle.

Russ: okay love.

(Karra takes over from the Durondedunn pogo stick)

Karra: yes, she was up and down like a pogo stick wasn’t she?

Russ: maybe it was just her excitement to....oh who knows with Tia, probably just having a good time.

Karra: yes, I think she was having a good time.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: greetings.

Russ: this is Nicole.

Karra: greetings Nicole.

Nicole: hi.

John: hi Karra, how’s things?

Karra: hello Johnny, I am functioning fine and you?

John: quite well.

Karra: hmm, I’m glad to see that you’re cutting down on your nicotine intake.

John: trying to.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: working at it.

Karra: and how about your alcohol intake?

John: oh, I've cut down on that dramatically.

Karra: that’s good, that’s good. You’re starting to look a little bit more colorful in your cheeks.

John: yeah I feel better.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, let us get down to business.

Russ: okay, Nicole’s got a question for you.

Nicole: yeah, I'm dying to speak to you, are you aware of my sister, my younger sister?

Karra: younger sister, no I do not have any knowledge on her.

Nicole: all right, my younger sister fell from a fifth story unit…..

Karra: ahh yes and presumably she has broken a part of her anatomy.

Nicole: yeah, she’s broke a fair bit actually but she’s okay now. Her second and third vertebrae….

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: and forth are wired together?

Karra: uh-huh, would that be the lower vertebrae in the C area?

Nicole: yeah.

Karra: okay.

Nicole: that’s the one. But…..

Karra: hmm, she has pain when she lies down I see.

Nicole: no, not so much lying down, holding her head straight like when her head, when she puts a towel on her head she finds it really hard to keep her head upright?

Karra: it sounds to me that she needs to work on strengthening her neck muscles. I believe they have in your part of the world if Tia would sit down and stop bouncing around and talk straight, they have a very good medical system. I suggest strongly that she asks about strengthening her neck muscles and her back muscles. You okay there? You seem to be in a little bit of discomfiture.

Nicole: me, Nicole?

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: yeah I am.

Karra: what is hurting on you?

Nicole: why?

Karra: no, what?

Nicole: what is hurting on me or her?

Karra: no on you.

Nicole: on me?

Karra: yes, you’re having a little bit of discomfort sitting there.

Nicole: oh I have a sore left shoulder blade.

Karra: shall we Russ?

Russ: talk to Kiri.

Karra: Kiri is saying no, she’s not wanting to play at the moment. Okay, however Russ help you. What Russ will do is he will give you a shoulder rub just on that point and that will loosen up the muscles and he will have my assistance and I will point him in the right direction. Is that acceptable with you?

Nicole: yeah that’s fine, I just really want to…..

Karra: ask about your sister.

Nicole: yeah.

Karra: okay now back to your sister, what she needs definitely to do is first of all is not put towels on her head, that's a simple solution. Tell you what, light your lighter. Can you make it……?

Nicole: light Mark’s lighter?

Karra: uh-huh.

(we hear Nicole light up Mark's lighter)

Karra: okay put your finger in the flame until I tell you to stop.

Nicole: which part?

(Nicole starts laughing)

Karra: the tip of your finger.

Nicole: which part of the flame?

Karra: the top.

Nicole: I knew you’d say that.

Karra: okay, why didn’t you do it?

Nicole: because it hurts.

Karra: that is…..

Nicole: I mean it’s too hot.

Karra: uh-huh, that is the answer to your sister’s problem with the towel, don’t do it because it hurts. But on a more serious note…..I’m trying to make you laugh and…..

Nicole: yeah I know, I find it very hard to laugh because I was there when she…..

Karra: yeah, when it happened.

Nicole: when it happened.

Karra: yeah.

Nicole: yeah.

Karra: but she’s fine now, her leg is fine, she’s fine apart from she has difficulty with her neck. What she needs to do is strengthen those muscles. Is there much scar tissue there?

Nicole: I mean where they cut her open and operated on her?

Karra: uh-huh. Have you seen the x-rays of the bones with the wire and everything?

Nicole: no I haven’t.

Karra: hmm, I’d like a description on that, that would help me tremendously. Okay what she needs to do is she needs to go and see a doctor and get some exercises to strengthen her neck muscles. They may have her do a little bit of weight training for keeping her neck straight. What she could also possibly do is wear a collar that is stiff, a stiff collar. But that’s only a temporary measure or she can do that when she’s walking around the house with the towel on her head.

John: a neck brace is what you referring to?

Karra: yes.

John: yes.

Nicole: she’s worn that before a neck brace and a body brace….

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: she couldn’t wait to get it off.

Karra: yes it is very uncomfortable.

Nicole: yeah.

Karra: but it is something that once she starts to get the strength back in her neck it will get better quicker. So what she needs to do is see one of your doctors to get a regime of……a physiotherapist would be the best bet......would be to get some exercises to strengthen her neck. But yes, that is exactly what she should do, is see a physiotherapist about strengthening her neck muscles.

Russ: Nicole, has she had an MRI done on her?

Nicole: what’s that?

Russ: magnetic resonance…

Karra: imaging.

Russ: imaging.

Nicole: I don’t think so.

Russ: it’s where they put her in a big tube-like thing and they take a magnetic resonance and get a three-dimensional portrait of what her….

John: it’s very expensive but it might…..

Nicole: does Australia have that?

Russ: oh yeah.

Nicole: hmm, another thing…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: this is a little bit embarrassing but I have a lot of hang-ups……

Karra: yep, okay.

Nicole: about the accident.

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: I had nightmares for a couple years.

Karra: that is perfectly normal.

Nicole: and I mean it’s not as bad as when it first happened……

Karra: I still have nightmares that….

Nicole: but I still have really, really pains in my, in my......

Karra: yeah, when you think about it.

Nicole: in my heart when I think about it.

Karra: uh-huh, don’t worry about it, that’s perfectly normal and natural. I still have nightmares about an incident that happened in my thirties. I was a field medic attached to a platoon defending a colony and my husband at the time got himself killed and I took a blast with a laser right through the arm. I still have stress fractures there and I still have nightmares about it from time to time. So it’s nothing to be afraid of, it’s nothing to worry about. If you had no feelings about it or no emotions about it at all then I would worry but because you have feelings of guilt and remorse, that is perfectly acceptable, that is perfectly normal. As I said, if you didn’t have any of those feelings, then I might worry a little bit.

Nicole: uh-huh.

Karra: so it is nothing to be afraid of and don’t crucify yourself about it, it’s in the past but she will always be your sister.

Nicole: yeah, I love her dearly.

Karra: uh-huh.

Nicole: I mean I told her now on the phone that I do love her very much.

Karra: uh-huh, my experience in dealing with earthlings is that you can be a very loving group and those that you love dearest you hurt the most.

Nicole: yeah that’s true.

Karra: so don’t feel guilty about that, just learn from it.

Nicole: hmm.

Karra: okay?

Nicole: okay, thank you.

Karra: you’re welcome. Now I’ve got to have a little chat with Tia when she gets off the computer.....gets off of switchover. Okay, see you guys later.

Nicole: bye.

John: all right, bye Karra thanks.

(Tia returns as ring mistress of the session)

Tia: okay, let me put on the last person, the exhibitionist, the one that wants a cup of tea, the one that wants to take a car for



Tia: we can't have that.

Russ: no, I’m afraid not. The only closest doughnut shop open is at the "Y".

Tia: I don’t think it’s the edible type that she’s on about.

Russ: oh.

John: I had a feeling….

Russ: donuts around the parking lot.

John: parking lots, yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Nicole: oh really.

John: where's Mark's keys?

Russ: bye Tia

(Kiri begins in her usual exuberant self)

Kiri: yo, I’m here.

Russ: I know you are. Kiri this is Nicole.

Kiri: thank you.

Russ: this is El Crazy One.

Kiri: yo.

Nicole: what do you know?

(Russ and John start laughing)

Kiri: I’m Kiri. I’m Kiri, I’m a coercer, I’m also an engineer. What else do I do? I like to party.

Nicole: oh do you?

Kiri: yeah.

Nicole: oh cool because none of these guys will party with me.

Kiri: if we get you up here we'll get you partying. We have a great little bar, it’s called the corner bar, it is the hots. It is the best place to be. They’ve got great wine, they've got great beer, got some great flowers you can chow down on too.

Nicole: great.....I’m sorry?

Kiri: flowers.

Russ: non-addictive….

John: they eat psychedelic flowers.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: ahh right.

Kiri: uh-huh, they’re cool, they’re the best.

Nicole: oh man.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: now, besides you being six-foot one and mischievous at best, you’re a troublemaker.

Kiri: I am?

John: yeah.

Kiri: come here.

John: I mean what’s your hair like?

Kiri: come here.

(Russ and John starts laughing)

John: no way, no way.

Kiri: well at the moment I have it cut into a short, military bob.

John: okay.

Russ: congratulations by the way darling.

Kiri: one for me.

Russ: you’re on the team.

Kiri: yes, I’m competing, I’m racing.

John: oh, on the ski team?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: you made it?

Russ: she made it.

John: good deal.

Russ: fifth-place but she's made it.

Kiri: yeah, I’ll be in first place. Everybody’s very happy and contented and awesome and I’m ready to race, I have my ski suit made, I design clothes too.

Russ: Karra and I will be watching it from the.....

Nicole: oh do you?

Kiri: uh-huh, I design all sorts of things. Ski suits, I get some real great designs for ski suits.

Nicole: oh cool.

Russ: she designed mine.

Kiri: I also design swimwear.

Nicole: really? Do you want to design me a new swimsuit?

Kiri: yeah sure, what sort of swimsuit?

Nicole: something that America or Australia hasn’t got, a two-piece?

Russ: she showed those designs you made for Bethany?

Nicole: a two-piece?

Kiri: two-piece bikini, okay. Something really flashy. How much skin do you want to show?

Nicole: parts of the….

Kiri: how much do you want to show? A lot of skin, a little skin….

Nicole: yeah well I usually show a lot of skin except for the parts that…...

Kiri: that shouldn’t be.

Nicole: mustn't show, yeah.

Kiri: okay. What are your favorite colors? Blue and…..

Nicole: yes.

(chuckling breaks out among the participants)

Kiri: and……you like green as well.

Nicole: I like a pale green yeah.

Kiri: yeah, pale green.

Nicole: I like mauve as well.

Kiri: what about a sandy brown? Okay, tell you what, next week, I want paper, crayons……..paper, crayons of assorted colors preferably….

Russ: I have some colored pens.

Kiri: that will work.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and somebody to draw a figure for me to draw a bikini on.

Russ: I'll have one ready for you.

Kiri: okay.

Nicole: cool.

Kiri: in fact make several figures so that I can do various designs.

Russ: do you need measurements or anything?

Kiri: no, no because it can be adjusted once I give the descriptions. Now what sort of lining do you like? Do you like a nice, fine lining or do you like a……padded?

Nicole: I like a good quality.

Kiri: a good, padded….

Nicole: a very good quality.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: not like anything flimsy or see-through.

Kiri: no see-through kind of takes away the imagination part.

Nicole: yeah. Well okay, that’s good.

Kiri: okay, how about a shimmering blue?

Nicole: yeah, that'd be nice.

Kiri: uh-huh, something that can look like light blue but when you turn into full light it looks like a darker blue? Oh, I’ve got a design developing right now. How about one that comes like a halter top right? That comes down with a stripe, one-piece that comes down and kind of wraps around?

Nicole: I’ll leave it up to you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: for my pair of bikinis.

Kiri: okay I can…

Nicole: you can do both if you want.

Kiri: yeah I’ll do both actually. In fact I can do about four or five different types that I’ve got planned...that's a hot one.

Nicole: can you picture, like people from your planet, can you picture things in our mind?

Kiri: sometimes.

Nicole: because there’s this ski jacket that I like, it's.....

Kiri: that’s a nice one, funny place to put a black widow though.

Russ: Spyder.

Nicole: oh right, on the back?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: oh it's just their design.

Kiri: yeah, that's their logo I take it. Hey, you could start your own swimwear line.

Nicole: yeah, but you have to design it and I’ll come up with the capital and the marketing.

Kiri: okay, I design them, you market them….

Russ: we’ll fax them.

(we all start to chuckle down here)

Kiri: yeah.

Nicole: because you know what, that could be a real……..because where I come from up the Gold Coast….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: that could be a big moneymaker.

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: yeah, you get summer almost all the year.

Nicole: yeah.

Kiri: how many cases of wine should each one go for?

Nicole: sorry?

Russ: Australian wine?

John: she was asking how many cases of wine should each suit sell for.

Nicole: oh you’re saying, oh okay.

John: yeah.

Kiri: yeah I barter.

John: they barter.

John: yeah.

Russ: because she can’t send it to you so…..

Nicole: you’d have to come to my country.

Kiri: hey, I would fit right in being six one and….

Nicole: oh yeah.

Kiri: blondish but I can get my hair to change colors as quickly as you can change color of your fingernails. I just pop a tablet and my hair changes color in about three hours.

Nicole: can I ask you something?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: can you guys bring something from your planet down through Mark to here?

Kiri: Mark doesn’t have the manifestation ability to bring something through.

Nicole: oh right.

Kiri: the only things that he normally brings back with him are cuts, nicks and scratches.

Nicole: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: on his back.

Nicole: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: are you one of his wives?

Kiri: yeah.

Nicole: oh right.

Kiri: and Tia’s the other one. Tia is in hysterics here, she is having….

Nicole: did Tia tell you about that I have to get on my knees to speak to her? She didn’t like that. She stuck her tongue out at me.

Kiri: oh she pokes her tongue out at everybody that she finds funny and amusing. But yeah, now back to swimwear. Okay, I can do three different, distinct types. Do you have a stiffish fabric? That this particular design I have in mind is a little risqué, right it has no straps whatsoever, it just relies totally on the stiffness of the material. Well actually up here it relies on….

Nicole: can you send me some of that in the mail?

Kiri: I wish I could.

Nicole: oh bummer.

Kiri: uh-huh. It’s kind of a little bit like a plastic-type material, it breathes and everything but it can be rigid….

Russ: relies a lot on luck and gravity.

Kiri: and PK but I was thinking you might have a material that is a little bit more rigid that would maintain that shape.

Russ: just plastic.

Kiri: no, plastic would be uncomfortable.

Nicole: wetsuit? Sort of, what’s that made out of?

Russ: no, that's neoprene.

Kiri: yeah, yeah that wouldn't work. This particular design I have is a little risqué.

Nicole: all right so, let's shake on it, let’s have a swimwear company.

Kiri: okay.

Nicole: yeah, you do the designs…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: and then I’ll get them going in Australia.

Kiri: okay.

Nicole: I know a lot of people in swimwear.

Kiri: uh-huh. And we can mess around with the colors and everything but the designs, some of them are pretty…..

Nicole: so you’re a good designer? Do you….

Kiri: uh-huh.

(Russ starts laughing loudly)

Russ: oh Jesus, some of the stuff she’s designed you couldn’t wear on earth, not without getting arrested.

John: yeah.

Nicole: you got a be a little bit discrete.

Kiri: yes.

Nicole: but like Gold Coast…..

Kiri: what are of standards there? Are they fairly liberal or…….

Russ: they can get topless on the Gold Coast.

Nicole: oh yeah, we go topless on any beach in Australia.

Kiri: okay, okay.

Russ: you can work with that.

Kiri: yeah I can work with that quite easy.

Russ: like just one covered up, something like that?

Kiri: that actually might be quite popular, a design, an old design that we have on Sirius. It’s kind of….

Nicole: one side covered up and then not other one?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I remember that one.

Nicole: no, that would be a bit odd. I mean…

Kiri: oh you're concerned with sun tans aren’t you?

John: yeah.

Nicole: yeah, yeah.

John: yeah is going to say, that would really mess up your suntan.

Russ: it looks good on Hades Base though.

Nicole: like, yeah it would be good for a sort of like a swim.......

Kiri: okay.

Nicole: oh man, I’m going to become rich.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: well don’t forget what Omal said though.

Nicole: hmm, yeah.

Russ: you’ve got….

Kiri: oh yes.

Russ: you've got responsibilities on top of that too after you become rich.

Nicole: oh yeah, I……

Kiri: you can use that as a key to get the money so that you can get into your governmental assembly.

Russ: or just have the pull to write something that would get noticed.

Nicole: oh yeah, I’m going to get onto that as soon as I get home.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Nicole: I can do many things at once.

Kiri: okay, so I’m going to take some spare time, I’m going to have to work on....yeah, okay.

Russ: saves you a lot of money on CPA's.

Nicole: yeah, sorry.

Kiri: oh I was just thinking on what I’ve got to do over the next week.

Nicole: oh we're going to have so much fun.

John: now are we going to have a channeling session two weeks from now when we have this party?

Kiri: maybe, depends on how many people show up. Ooohhh, okay I’m going to put her back on.

(Russ and John break out in laughter)

John: okay.

Russ: bye Kiri.

Nicole: bye.

Russ: see you next week love.

John: see you Kiri.

Kiri: okay, I’ll be back as Omal might say.

John: congratulations on the ski team.

Kiri: oh thank you, see you guys.

John: see you.

(Tia finishes up the little bit of tape left)

Russ: hello Tia.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the human pogo stick.

Tia: yes, I’m having fun.

John: how come you're so bouncy tonight?

Tia: I've had a lot of fun, guess........


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