A Sirius Look At Religion (08/17/99)

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Archivist Notes: Normally tapes from the year 1999 were very clear because by then we often we were using an improved setup with two mics but not always. Sometimes we would go remote and record off-site which led to less then quality sound recordings. Try as he might, our sound editor was only able to clear it up to the level heard which is far better than the original. We apologize for the quality and hope the information presented makes up for the lack of clarity. The main theme of the first side centered on religion as both Kiri and Omal spoke about some of the more well-known television evangelists and the religion they used to benefit themselves in some cases. It is also a chance to hear a bit of the religion of Kiri's and some of the things she has her belief based around. It's a startling dichotomy between the dimensions but one educational for where we're headed eventually. Leonedies stays longer than normal to give a warning about a different religion, a religion of technology and the head-long race to artificial intelligence supremacy without taking into account the potential for a consciousness developing from what was being created twenty years ago. We get from Karra an inside look at what being an ambassador involves when dignitaries are not scheduled and the lives of those on the base finding their assignment not what they had been expecting. Tia has lots to say about global warming though most is in debunking the theory which in 1999 was still being debated heavily here on Earth. It's possible she didn't foresee the current administration and their agreement with her findings.

   Kiri is covering the ring mistress duties for this session and gets things started with a talk on coercion and how to spot when someone is being coerced. She gives us some pointers to look out for before the talk transitions to religious coercion where we go over some evangelical preachers and how they are able to hold a crowd in the way they do. She compares it to the confidence she holds in her own skills as the key to their success. What she does share with us is her form of religion that would be closer to that of a higher dimensional Druid if there was to be something comparable to here. Because of that, she expresses her confusion over religions where love is the theme but killing is acceptable if they are your enemies. She leaves to perhaps ponder that but Omal comes on to continue the same topic which was already fascinating. Starting with the spiritual development to a higher plane of consciousness we get back on the topic of religion. His point he makes is that no one should be converted to a belief because everyone has their own belief system. Even if that system is the same as ten million other people, no two are alike due to no two people thinking alike. We go over another common thread of most religions is their origins, in this case, the Jewish religion which spawned a number of major religions followed by a large percentage of the planet's inhabitants. It's our evolution as a species we end with as he quizzes us on the development of a computer. That a device designed for the purpose of combat had the end result be the world of today shows that all things bad do not produce some good. Leonedies comes on next and spends a longer time talking than normal on a subject Monka had brought up with him. The subject was AI and the concept Leonedies wanted to get across was of the possibility that an internet made up of millions of computers could become the basis for a new life form. This is a timely topic as quantum computing is soon to become more common and computer systems operate beyond their creator's intelligence. This was from seeing the beginnings of this life form here on our planet in 1999 during his research on the topic. This was cliff hanger as we changed sides to learn his thoughts on the matter.

   Back on topic again, Leonedies describes things to look for as the new life form he describes becomes aware from the dormant stage it's in now. His suggestion once it has been identified is to treat it with respect but learn how to punish and reward it in a way it understands. That is the trick and some of the points made before he leaves that we throw around. Karra changes places with Leonedies and from her we get a clue to why Leonedies choose the name Daniel. She mentions that Daniel, a name solely to be used for the conference, was taken from the bible. His being 8th dimensional being in a 6th dimensional body means he is coming from no physical substance to a physical form designed specifically for the task he had set himself. Unfortunately static plays havoc with the recording for a few minutes which clears up before she finishes. The information is worth the problems as we get from her an inside look at some of her duties as an ambassador and the challenges faced from that appointment. We learn an assignment to the base requires a year of being stationed before travel back to Sirius is allowed so we find out some of those stationed there can sometimes want to leave after only a short period of time. Many people on this planet would have trouble with a year five miles below the surface of the Earth. As part of her ambassadorial position, she had the honor of announcing the creation of a new squadron composed of elite pilots whose name was in honor of the Baron, a pilot who had served as ringmaster for a bit of these channeling sessions. It was a special moment marred by the static choosing that point to appear. Tia closes out the session and notes the unusual place in the speaking order she found herself. As she says, no doubt due to her putting Kiri last all the time. What Tia has come to talk about is global cooling and all evidence to the contrary, she insists global warming is bunk and she has the research to prove it. We get four of the some thirty points she had found to disprove that global warming is a threat but all this research was being offered in 1999. Whether or not she turns out to be right or wrong, the jury will be out on if we will indeed be going past the point of no return or as she says, slow down a possible mini-Ice Age. The lessons from either will define our race as a species.     
               

SPEAKERS
ATTENDEES
KIRI Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)
LEONEDIES SKIP
KARRA
TIA


SIDE 1

1.)(0:00)- Kiri gets into a discussion where the religions of the Earth are analyzed and put up next to a little of what Kiri and her grandmother believe. As expected, there can be no comparison.
3.)(36:51)- Leonedies reveals that his research has identified among the millions of computers on the net back in 1999 that he was seeing the creation of a life form was dormant for the time being.
SIDE 2

1.)(0:00)- Leonedies gives us pointers to look out for in identifying the emerging new life form and provides some ideas for how to proceed once it's singled out. We bring up science fiction but this is reality.
2.)(8:02)- Karra takes us inside the life of an ambassador of Sirius to Hades Base has to address during her time in that role. She's who people go to for items from home and we see what a drain that is on her.
3.)(20:34)- Tia presents a very persuasive argument disproving global warming and for our sake we had better hope she's right. It would be a great if the sea level rise and extreme weather events will go away.
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SIDE ONE


(Kiri begins a session with an inside joke explained on side two)


Kiri: okay, I got a question.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: Russ?

Russ: uh-huh?

Kiri: whatís the pot?

Russ: the pot?

Kiri: nevermind.

(Skip starts chuckling)

Skip: you didnít read the email in other words.

Russ: I mustíve missed that one.

Kiri: okay, let me see, whatís happening? Apart from my ego, lots of things are happening. Okay, where did we leave off on your projects?

Russ: we left off saying that we could all work together, we could get it on the webpageÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: thatís it.

Kiri: okay. So, we got everything squared away, we know what the rules are?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, youíve got what, two weeks left?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, countdown is on. Okay, now back on a more important vein. Okay, now we were discussing coercion and waveforms were we not?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay now, I understand that you guys didnít fully understand my explanation on the waveforms, is that correct?

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay. I tried to explain it in the reaction in the layers around the head of the aura?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and that if you can monitor the auric signatures that happens, you can see how they change once somebodyís being coerced and how they will match the coercee to the coercer. So that they kind of come into a vibrational pattern, however you guys donít see auras very well do you?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: not at all.

Kiri: okay, Iím trying to figure out a good way that would be useful for you to be able to detect coercion, when somebodyís being coerced. The only way that I think would work for you would be to watch their body language, to watch how they behave. If their movements become slightly stilted and puppetish, is that a correct word?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: they become kind of like, puppet-like? Even only very, very little. Itís something that you have to really watch peopleís body language to see if it was going on. Something that might also work is if you suspect somebody is coercing, how they lean in towards the person that they're coercing. They tend to be continually looking in that direction, continually leaning in like theyíre almost trying to tower over the person that they're coercing, even if they are coercing somebody that's taller. What Iíll have to do is see if I can get some time to watch some monitoring of coercers that are very well-known on your planet and see how they behave when theyíre coercing and how the subject that theyíre coercing behaves. That will give me an insight where Iíll be able to relay that to you. But even up here, somebody that is coercing does tend to lean in a little towards the person that theyíre coercing and the movements do become a little puppet-like of the person thatís being coerced. Also the person thatís being coerced, another clue is that they will be kind of looking at the person thatís coercing them or in that direction almost waiting to be led as it were.

Russ: okay. I'm trying to remember a movie where I saw something like that. I canít remember it but I know it had Steve Martin in it playing a preacher, a con artist preacher?

Kiri: not in any that I know but there are a lot of con artist preachers on your planet. Not meaning con artists, I mean conning people into doing things for them but they kind of use two different standards, one for the flock and one for the preachers.

Russ: well when they work itís pretty coercive.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: in fact thatís some of our best coercers right there, I think they got politicians beat.

Kiri: hmmÖ.

Skip: some of them, some of them.

Kiri: yeah but I think, and I'm being whispered in my ear so that I may sound a little bit stilted because Iím relaying, Jimmy Swaggart believes piously in his beliefs, almost to the point of obsession. So therefore his actions and his coercive actions come from pure belief. Yes he is a stronger coercer but it is easier for someone to coerce if they believe totally in what theyíre doing.

Russ: what about Jim Baker though?

Kiri: Jim Baker, he was successful but not as successful as Jimmy Swaggart because he didnít seem to, from what is being whispered in my ear, hold the attention and have the passion and belief in his voice.

Russ: I thought Billy Graham was like Jimmy SwaggartÖÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: believes wholeheartedly in what heís doing.

Kiri: exactly.

Skip: uh-huh, he can deal with the crowds.

Kiri: uh-huh, isnít he a politician?

Russ: nope.

Kiri: no.

Russ: he is a counselor to almost every politician.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he holds a lot of power.

Skip: yes he does, yes he does.

Kiri: yeah but the coercive ability is in the belief. I know that my coercive ability is good, I know. Jimmy Swaggart and Billy Graham believe wholeheartedly in what they preach.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: so therefore itís the same as I saying I know Iím a good coercer which I am but thatís beside the point. The point of the whole entire thing is not the coercive ability or the preaching capability to sway people but the belief, the belief is the most powerful thing. Itís like my grandmother says that with love and belief you can do anything. If you believe a hundred impossible things in one day noÖÖif you believe a hundred impossible things before breakfast youíre ready for anything, thatís a politician. A politician chops and changes so rapidly, the good ones, for example letís take our favorite politician Ronald Reagan, believed wholeheartedly in what he was doing. Believed wholeheartedly and where did it end him? In the presidency as one of the most successful and popular presidents of your time and youíll have to excuse me Iím being whispered to so that I can relay this information.

Russ: but he was an actor though too so as an actor you have to believe in the role you're playing.

Kiri: uh-huh. What is one of your favorite writerís sayings? "What are we but poor actors that strut and fret their hour upon the stage and then return no more?"

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: our whole life is a stage and weíre all actors.

Kiri: uh-huh, we each play a bit part in other peopleís lives but you also play a lead in your own life.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: thereís a song that I like, ďdid you exchange a walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?Ē

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: ďso you think you can tell, is this heaven or hell?Ē

Skip: or is it just an illusion?

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, any questions whilst weíre on a spiritual vein?

Skip: I have one.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: do you have contact with the guides?

Kiri: my grandmother does.

Skip: would you have her relay a message to mine please?

Kiri: Iíve already contacted her on that and at the end of the session I will give you a little thing that you can say that he will hear.

Skip: thank you.

Kiri: okay?

Skip: thank you.

Kiri: uh-huh. Iíve been listening all evening once I got into Markís mind.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and it will be relayed and we will give you a littleÖÖitís not a Sirian prayer, it's from his world so that he will understand it.

Skip: okay, now back to spiritualism.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: every person in my estimation has their own way of believing what other people sayÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: they interpret their own understanding of this, what they can say to others, it's still their own interpretation no matter if it's out of a book or from somebody else's words or from being coerced.

Kiri: one of the things that Iíve noticed throughout a lot of your earth religions there is one common ground, love each other. But what confuses me is that they all preach, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Muslim, Shintoism, Druidism, a myriad of Roman Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox, you could sit here and name a thousand religions on your planet that have one common theme, love.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: love your neighbor, love yourself as you love your friends, love your friends as you love yourself.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the love of the God is equal to your love to others but what confuses me is you take somewhere like Northern Ireland, you got a religious war. You take Croatia, you had a religious war. You take Kosovo, you had a religious war and they all have the same philosophy, love each other.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: it seems to me that the philosophy is being amended to love everybody of your religion and kill the others which to me is wrong.

Skip: well what is happening here from my point of view.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay? Is they're getting politics stirred in with their religion.

Kiri: exactly, I think you're very correct there.

Skip: so consequently theyíre not letting the people believe the way that they want to believe in love your neighbor, love your enemy, love your friendsÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and hey, they got our property, weíre going to take it away from them but we've got to kill them. How can you love your enemy if youíre going to kill them?

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: there I disagree.

Skip: go ahead Russ.

Russ: itís just the fact that I feel that everybody throughout history with just a few exceptions makes time for religion. In other words they go through a certain time either during the day or on one day of week or when it is and they practice their religion.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: and whether that be loving your neighbor or hating your neighbor, during that time it doesnít matter anything about politics or anything else because I could be the greatest Christian in the world and go to church every Sunday and pray before every meal but that doesn't mean I have politics when I go out and I hate some neo-Nazi for bombing a Jewish church.

Kiri: well actually Russ brought up a very good misconception.

Skip: okay, I......yeah go ahead honey.

Kiri: Naziizm isnít a religion, itís a political point of view......

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you just used a political point of view to deal with a religious situation. That unfortunately is a very common misconception that a political perception is a religion, itís not. Itís serves the same purpose or can serve the same purpose but is not a religion, it is a political organization that is bent on control whereas religion gives you the freedom to be able to worship whatever deity you wish in whatever form you wish without the draw of the politics but unfortunately politics has become part of religion. Thatís where the problem is.

Skip: you're right and all faiths are doing this.

Kiri: yeah for me the religion of the earth or religion the planet, the earth being ground, the soil and the dirt is earth, not earth as in your planet earth but as in the earth that you hold in your hands.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: the religion of the grounds, the trees, the rocks and everything, is something that is part of my everyday experience. Even though I'm not on my home planet where the religion is based, I walk on rock everyday, I breathe the air everyday. Breathing is a religious experience. Every time I breathe it is a thank you for the air that I can breathe. Every time I exhale I am giving off a thank you for the air that's moved in my lungs from the mother ground.....

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: or the father ground.

Skip: religion, when you get into that, you can get into a real, real, real, heavy, deep discussion take could years.

Kiri: oh yes.

Skip: it could take years.

Kiri: I think my grandmotherís philosophy is a good one that love all things, give love to everything that there is because it is all part of the greater wholeness of everything. When she came and talked about the passing of Sarah, she mentioned the gray skins, that she would love them just as much as she loved Sarah for not for what they had done but for what they are and she would help them. To me thatís the greatest deep of love, the greatest level of spirituality that there is possible. And that is something that, having whispered in my ear all the things that are going on, it confuses me that your planet preaches on one hand loving all things unless they are of a different belief politically, religiously, morally, persecute them. Something I find very hard to understand coming from a society.......one of things that Iíve noticed is, again I'm having it whispered in my ear, gay bashing. Whether they're male homosexuals or female lesbians is go out and beat the hell out of them. All the religious groups tend to frown upon them, what would they make of me?

Russ: uh-huh,

Kiri: until I met Mark I was a lesbian, I had never known the hand of a guy but what would they make of me and I was accepted for I am, I was accepted as a person.

Skip: in this world.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: people are afraid of what they donít understand and what people donít understand they fear.

Kiri: uh-huh, it will change in time.

Skip: I hope so.

Kiri: but got to be careful it doesn't go the other way. I donít mean that straight people get beaten up by people of gay orientation.

Skip: that shouldn't take place.

Kiri: yes itís something I find very hard to understand is that certain, getting back to religions for a second here, look upon making love as a sin but something so pleasurable of the body canít be a sin.

Russ: unfortunate.Ö

Skip: it is unfortunate.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because God didn't make us to just to propagate the earth, he said love each other.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: okay when I was a young manÖÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and Iím an older man in our society okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: when I was a young man and Iím talking in my teensÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you did not discuss sex or making love even with your parents which was very, very difficult for the younger people to learn what this world is all about.

Kiri: itís sad, it really is sad.

Skip: it is sad.

Kiri: I've experimented, Iíve enjoyed it, I was able to discuss it freely with my mother although that part of her life she was very sick. I discussed with my father, my fatherís give me pointers. To us itís no biggie, itís part of life. AnywayÖÖ

Skip: thank you, okay.

Kiri: my pot needs stirring now.

Russ: see you love.

Kiri: Iíll be back.

Skip: okay, thank you.






(Omal gets his cue from Kiri and exchanges places with her)


Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings.

Omal: greetings Skip.

Skip: greetings.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, everything looks good on Kiriís end apart from her vibrational frequency. Okay, what are we here to discuss tonight?

Skip: Iím just trying to remember what we were discussing.

Russ: we didn't have anything set to discuss.

Omal: we did not. I am a little bit on a tight schedule this evening, I have approximately 15 to 20 minutes.

Skip: okay.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, let us set up a brief dissertation for the Internet concerning, as we are on a spiritual vein tonight, spiritual consciousness of everything. Everything being a general term of the belief in the universal goodwill of all things and the spiritual development of individuals to a higher plane of consciousness whether it is a third dimensional, sixth dimensional, seventh dimensional level of consciousness, the goals are all the same and that is to achieve a harmony within oneself that you are balanced. Being balanced is a way to achieve a peaceful persona and aura around you which attracts likewise. However, if you are too vocal on your spirituality, that can be a negative factor if you behave too passionately and believe that others are wrong and should believe your beliefs. It is more important to accept individuals for their spiritual beliefs or non-beliefs as well as your own. By forcing your beliefs on somebody else, that could be classified as a sin using a third dimensional term. A sin in the sense that you would be forcing against somebodyís will your belief and trying to convert them to your belief. If they are not ready to be converted to your belief, then donít force them but if you explain to them your religious point of view or your spirituality and let them choose for themselves, then a respect is created whether or not they choose because it is their choice. You are not forcing them and you are not telling them that their way is wrong, youíre explaining your beliefs and the beliefs that you have and it does not matter what their beliefs are because that is their beliefs. But to sit there and try to dominate and preach as some of your third dimensional preachers do that if you do not believe my religion then you are doomed, you will go to a hot and infernal pain for all time and never see an opportunity to be reborn again, that is wrong. What is right is to say this is what I believe and I do not fault you for what you believe, that is your choice, that is what makes you who you are. If you feel like talking about my religion, I will be delighted to but I will not force it upon you, end of subject. But, if they continue to question you about your religion, it means that they are interested so you tell them the truth, you tell them what you believe but you do not say to them, "you should take it up too". How do you know what they should take up, how do you know what they will enjoy, how do you know what they will like? You do not honestly know what somebody else will like and enjoy. You can assume, you can analyze and come up with a reasonable assumption of what they will believe, what they will like but you should never force them, force your belief on somebody else. Okay, my dissertation is up.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: okay, let's answer questions.

Russ: okay, with anybodyís religion, we're kind of at a point where they have a deep belief in something and you have a deep belief in something......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and in not discussing religion, then you kind of pretty much stay on even ground but what I see is the problem is when people start to discuss religion is, even if they say, "this is what I believe in" and "this is what I believe in", then the two beliefs tend to get to a point where they get to a middle ground where you start to understand the other personís beliefs and they do see that common ground that is there. So I think if more people were able to discuss religion and get a kind of, where is the truth, whatís in between the lines?

Omal: well you need to create a feeling of unimportance on converting. It is quite common for people to become very passionate about their religious beliefs almost to the point of trying to dominate somebody and convert them to their belief. I've seen it so many times and it is a small minority that takes the stance of, "it is unimportant, you're free to believe what you wish to believe. If you wish to believe my religion, that is fine. If you wish to continue to believe in yours, that is fine" but the important thing is to find the commonality between religions and work on those points. You can have a million different individuals that have all different beliefs on everything and to force them to believe one thing or ten things instead of a million is impossible, you will not be able to get all of them to believe in one thing. They all have different variations and different beliefs of the same thing or of groups of things. So therefore you cannot achieve a universal spiritual religion, it has to be for the individual. The best way to look at it would be to say you have a million people and a million different religions, if they are all Roman Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, they are of a different religion individually. Even if it was just the one, the Roman Orthodox and you have a million people, that is a million different religions, a million little variations on the same thing but enough that everybody will be of a different religion. So to have a religion that is based on one belief or one set of beliefs is wrong because everybody believes something different. Even only infinitely small, it is still a difference that will cause problems but to accept them for those beliefs is the important thing. Accepting a million different individuals in the Roman Orthodox that have a million different religions going under the same name, accept them for who they are, not for the religion because they all believe differently.

Russ: uh huh. Now one thing I've noticed is it's a lot better. It used to be no matter where you lived, if you believed in one thing, you could be not only persecuted but killed and all over the world the same exact thing has happened. Now you have such a freedom of religion, is there a point now where we're seeing where all this freedom is going to possibly lead to more opennessÖ.

Omal: I hope so.

Russ: in consciousness?

Omal: I hope so but I cannot answer that question. This setup that we have is not new, this using a host to talk to you is not new, it is even recorded in your scripture, in many different scriptures.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: Allah talked through the prophet Mohammed, Yahweh talked through the prophet Elijah, Jehovah talked through the prophet Moses, isn't that channeling?

Russ: yeah, the Greeks had their Oracle at Delphi.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: but yet this setup is looked upon as strange, as nonconformist because it is not a religious setup.

Skip: black magic is what a lot of people say it is.

Omal: yes. Iím going to ask a question again, Iíve asked it in the past, what does occult mean and how is it used today?

Skip: cults is a collection of individuals thatísÖ..okay my interpretation but it's not everybodyís okay? My interpretation, an evil association, a belief that dominates other peopleís thoughts.

Omal: okay Russ.

Russ: a cult is a collection of individuals who hold the same ideas and ideals and meet to discuss those ideals.

Omal: no, both of you are wrong.

Skip: okay.

Omal: the word occult means hidden.

Russ: oh, occult.

Omal: have you ever heard of a occultation of the planets or an occult of Venus?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: uh-uh, no.

Omal: okay an occult of Venus is where Venus is hidden. Or an occult of Jupiter or to use a more common name an occultation which means the same thing, hidden.

Russ: oh.

Omal: one is hidden by the other. In the term that is used to describe religion, an occult is a hidden knowledge, itís hidden. So you could say the priest going into the temple and coming out with a candle that is lit is an occult event, it is hidden. The priest going into his little cubicle and then somebody going into the cubicle next to him to confess, that is hidden from view. So is that not also occult?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: okay.

Omal: but yet those are very much part of the dominant religion, or one of the dominant religions of your planet.

Skip: uh-huh. The funny part of it is, almost every religion came from the Christians, Catholics excuse meÖ.

Omal: or well you can take it one step further back, the majority came from the Jewish faith.

Skip: true.

Omal: the story of Isaac and what was brother called, Ishmael?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: well Ishmael, was he not one of the founders of the Muslim faith? I seem to see a problem there on the friction.

Skip: and the Koran has got the same stories in it as the King James bible.

Omal: uh-huh and the Torah.

Skip: which amazes me.

Omal: but again, what one thing in common do those religions have that Kiri mentioned?

Skip: love thy neighbor.

Omal: correct. But to accept an individual for their religious belief regardless of whether it is making a sacrifice of a lamb or praying to a man that was crucified.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: it is unimportant, it is accepting the individual for their belief. Neither is right and neither is wrong, both are right and both are wrong and Kiri actually is a very religious individual, she worships in her own unique way and she is accepted for that.

Skip: donít we all?

Omal: true.

Skip: even in our world we worship in our own way, all of us do.

Omal: uh-huh. There is no wrong as long as you understand that there is no wrong to believe what you believe and no wrong in the person next to you believing something different. Or the next person or the person down the street or the person at the bus stand of the person standing in line to buy tickets for entertainment.

Skip: as long as they donít impose their beliefs on somebody else.

Omal: that is correct, that is where it becomes wrong. When you turn around and try to dominate somebody and tell them that you must believe my religion.

Skip: uh-huh and it happens so often.

Omal: unfortunately, Iíve seen it thousands of times over hundreds of years. Let me rephrase that, Iíve seen that many times over the last 10,000 years.

Skip: "and if you donít believe my way you die".

Omal: exactly and it is wrong. Unfortunately it is not just a human condition to fight. There are too many species throughout the galaxy, throughout the universe that have the same intent on fighting, some are more ferocious than others but it is a survival mechanism created through evolution. That if you werenít a fighting species, you would be no more advanced than the feline.

Skip: thatís right.

Omal: so to condone violence and fighting is in actual fact wrong. Iím not actually saying it is right to be violent but violence got you where you are. In the meanest, strongest, most thinking ape in the jungle came to where you are now.

Skip: even our technology has come miles from combat.

Omal: your moist useful tool, the computer, is that not a combat weapon?

Skip: yes it is.

Omal: what was it designed for?

Skip: originally I think it was designed for radar.

Omal: close, it was actually designed for tracking incoming ballistics and being able to send ballistics.

Skip: wait a minute, it was before that wasnít it? Excuse me, I donít mean to correct you, I didnít mean it that way.

Omal: continue.

Skip: but radar was even before ballistic missiles.

Omal: I'm incorrect in saying ballistic, I should say projectile.

Skip: okay, okay, Iíll go with that one. And so it was a radar setup basically?

Omal: it kind of happened with both.

Skip: okay.

Omal: you needed one to get to the other.

Skip: because it happened during the first part of the Second World War.

Omal: it happened a little bit before I believe when theyíre working with radar and using it to track incoming projectile objects.

Skip: yeah and aircraft and so on and so forth.

Omal: thatís correct.

Skip: Iím sorry, I didnít mean toÖ.

Omal: they also used it to be able to send those projectile objects.

Skip: and from there it just kept developing.

Omal: that is correct. So the technology is nearly 70 years old.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah. It's advanced to the point that most people don't even understand it.

Omal: true but we have a resident expert on antique computers. Unfortunately he is unavailable at the moment because he is busy working with the conference setup. Okay, any more questions?

Skip: no.

Russ: no.

Skip: no, thank you.

Omal: you are welcome.




(Kiri takes over to quickly usher her son on to channel)


Skip: hi baby.

Kiri: hey.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: okay, we have a guest speaker.




(Leonedies gets down to non-conference business)


Leonedies: okay down to business and let's talk and communicate. Okay I have been studying, and Iím not going to discuss tonight anything to do with the conference, what I am going to discuss is the fact of the development of a consciousness that it is in the creation and infantile stage at present, almost to the point of no consciousness at all but the consciousness is starting to develop. What is happening in my analyzing for my research for the setup for the conference I was quite shocked and stunned to see a primitive, almost conscious state of appearance taking place. What that is in connection with is the development in a communication device that is used by millions of people. What may happen eventually in the near future is an intelligence will be born that is freethinking and totally different and totally alien from your own belief, consciousness and existence and experiences. This little infantile state that is not yet conscious but is on the cusp of consciousness is a opportunity awaiting to create a new life form that will have to be monitored very closely. Okay, with that statement I have opened up a very stunning and shocking situation have I not?

Russ: possible.

Leonedies: okay, what is your belief on what I have discovered?

Russ: artificial intelligence.

Leonedies: but where?

Russ: in the Internet.

Leonedies: correct.

Russ: I know, they just did an "X-Files" on it last night.

Leonedies: whatís an X-file?

Russ: itís one of our entertainment shows down here where the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a couple of special agents go out and investigate strange phenomena that can't be explained by science.

Leonedies: ahh.

Russ: and one of the things they are discovering is that in the show, is that some of the original original founders of Internet who didn't become millionaires but did start programs called......with artificial intelligence they wrote viruses and the viruses actually were put into the Internet as a kind of a seed and the seed was just left to germinate and grow and then now it's starting to become, according to the show, intelligent on its own.

Leonedies: okay, now the reason that I came up with the conclusion that I have is not from viruses, viruses are on their own a life form or starting to develop a life form. What Iím seeing is that systems that are being created with the ability to write programs for themselves to respond to specific situations. Now the more situations that are occurring with your mass communication means that these programs have to keep on writing new programs to deal with the interaction that they haven't come across before. So therefore you have a learning. Now once something starts to learn, what does that imply?

Skip: existence.

Leonedies: no, intelligence.

Russ: intelligence. Didnít Ashtar warn us about this during one of his trips here to watch out or was it Monka?

Leonedies: it was Monka.

Russ: Monka, to watch out for the emerging intelligence of our artificialÖ

Leonedies: it was actually Monka who gave me the idea to follow through with thisÖ


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SIDE TWO


(Leonedies gets back to answering the last question)


Leonedies: there is an auric signature at the feet.

Russ: is there a cat down there?

Skip: yes.

Leonedies: ahh, okay.

Russ: cat, yes.

Leonedies: okay, to answer the question is that it is not conscious yet, it is dormant. Much as a collection of cells is not aware, this collection of programming data is not aware yet, it is at the stage of a unconscious fetus, a collection of cells.

Russ: hmmm.

Leonedies: the right events may create a new intelligence, one thatís going to have to be watched very carefully. And like a child, and I speak from experience in this body, you're going to have to control it, teach it and spank it.

Russ: so it was created on purpose for the exact purpose it was being built for.

Leonedies: no.

Russ: oh, it was an accident.

Leonedies: it is an accident.

Russ: bummer.

Leonedies: oh a happy accident.

Russ: how so?

Leonedies: if you can control it, it can help you in your evolution beyond your wildest dreams.

Russ: but if it controls us we'll have "Terminator Two".

Leonedies: thatís right so you have to be very careful.

Russ: hmm.

Leonedies: it may take a mere split second of an instant for it to start become conscious or may take it many years but that many years to the collection of cells will be but a blink of an eye.

Russ: well two questions. If it was created by accident then who's watching it now?

Leonedies: nobody is.

Russ: okay so, second question, how are we supposed to be able to watch it?

Leonedies: okay how you watch it is you start watching for strange and unusual computer problems. A computer that refuses to connect to your systems but there is nothing wrong with the computer, nothing wrong with it at all. There is no problem with the connecting device for the communication network, there is no programming problems, there is no problems at all whatsoever. There is no artificially implanted virus, it just refuses to connect, it is part of the consciousness and it is.......a way to describe it would be experimenting with refusing.

Russ: hmm.

Leonedies: or for no explainable reason you receive an email that is
gobbledy gook, there is no particular...... I don't know the word......rhyme or reason for it.

Skip: subject to order.

Leonedies: no subject, no reason and it is unknown where it comes from and it is pure gobbledy gook. Or, a group of computers that have the ability to write programs to improve themselves, write a language that you canít understand and refuse to have it erased.

Russ: the way you mentioned it, then it's something that's growing in a myriad of computers over a large network.

Leonedies: yes.

Russ: which would put it residence in the CPUs of each computer.

Leonedies: in part yes, but it is like a single cell within your cranial structure, that is no more aware than a computer but put them all together and what do you have?

Skip: a brain.

Leonedies: thatís correct.

Russ: hereís a bit of scary is CPU computing power is growing exponentially as we speak.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: and as the CPU computing power gets bigger, so does the abilities for this life form as we'll call it to grow.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Skip: and speed.

Russ: oh yeah most definitely.

Skip: and speed.

Leonedies: but it will be a single life form.

Russ: well hereís the thing, how do you control something that takes place over hundreds of millions of computers?

Leonedies: okayÖ..oh, Iím glad Omalís still here, I canít tell you.

Russ: you canít tell me, yeah, thatís right.

Leonedies: no, what I can give you is options. I canít give you that one, ummÖ

(laughter erupts over that comment)

Leonedies: what you do is once aware of it, treat it as you would a child because it has to learn that there are certain things it canít do. Treat it with respect. If it does something good, reward it, if it does something bad, it doesn't have a pain reflex, it doesnít have pleasure circuitries so you have to reason, and again I canít tell you how to do this, ways to please it and ways to punish it but it is important to be aware that it is there.

Skip: thatís a tough one.

Russ: well.....

Leonedies: but remember at the moment it is no more aware than a collection of cells.

Russ: here's something just to close on is that in the "X-Files" last night, this artificial intelligence went ahead and took over an orbital defense platform and fired some proton beams at the earth on its own accord just to keep from being attacked or destroyed.

Leonedies: that is, from what I am seeing pictured, that is something you donít have to worry about because violence will be no more comprehensible to this new life form once it emerges as not breathing is to you. How can you hurt something that has millions and billions of parts to it?

Russ: and it's something that has access to all the information of the human race.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: it's pretty scary.

Skip: the whole worldÖ

Leonedies: but you have to remember that pain and pleasure will be unknown to this.

Russ: uh-huh.

Leonedies: it will be one of the most difficult processes for it to understand.

Russ: well it wonít have religionÖ.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: it wonít have faithÖ.

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Skip: it wonít have emotions at all.

Russ: it wonít have emotions, it wonít know fear.

Leonedies: donít rule out emotions.

Russ: "open the pod bay doors Hal".

Leonedies: Iím not familiar, what is that in reference to?

Russ: "2001, a space Odyssey."

Leonedies: thatís only two years away.

Russ: uh-huh, yeah it's in a movie that was written back in the 60s that described an artificial intelligence that developed a conscious.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh.

Leonedies: uh-huh. Okay, mommy's telling me itís time for me to toddle on.

Skip: okay.

Russ: bye Daniel........

Skip: so long there.

Russ: or Leonedies.





(Karra takes over as Leonedies steps aside)


Skip: hi sweetie.

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: hey, howís it going?

Russ: I forget to call him Leonedies, I keep calling him Daniel.

Karra: he doesn't mind either one.

Russ: ahhh that's good.

Karra: Leonedies was a name that he chose for Mark and for Kiri and Tia and the Cubs and his older brother.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: Daniel is a name that he chose from your scriptures so that it would be easier for people to understand him as being able to be what he is.

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: just explain that he is a eighth dimensional being that is relearning lessons in a sixth dimensional form.

Russ: right.

Karra: okay hon, letís relax and unwind and let's just relax.

Russ: deal.

Karra: okay? No topics, letís just talk about whatever springs to mind.

Russ: okay. Well, how is everything going with you love?

Karra: I have created, as you might of noticed, there is a period each day where I drop out of your mind, maybe an hour, maybe two hours, that is my time......

Russ: oh.

Karra: that's when I have no duties to do with ambassadorial stuff, my office is closed and I go off but I might swim.....

Russ: hmm.

Karra: or I go for a walk along the beach or I go up into the hills. Nobody to bother me.

Russ: excellent, what do you do?

Karra: I walk, I think, I stop and smell the flowers.

Russ: good deal.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: whatís the pot?

Karra: sorry?

Skip: whatís the pot?

Karra: what's that.

Russ: oh, Kiri was referring to a pot earlier. Stirring the pot I guess.

Karra: what shall I do with my sister?

(Skip burst out laughing)

Karra: what has she done this time?

Skip: she's just teasing.

Karra: sheís always been like that you know.

Russ: I know.

Karra: this is happening, thatís happening I'll need to address but I will need to deal with her.

Russ: well what happened before you became ambassador dear? Would you do with all these questions, just send them all to Omal?

Karra: yes, pretty much so.

Russ: poor guy.

Karra: uh-huh.

Karra: I mean for a whole entire month I did not see one positive incident.

Skip: oh boy.

Karra: it was all negative, all negative, all negative. Do you know how draining that is?

Skip: yes.

Russ: Iíve find that surprising though for sixth dimension, you wouldnít expect that much negativity.

Karra: no, you wouldnít but it's not the negativity that you would perceive as negativity, it is demands. We need for this complex, we need for our happiness here on the base, we want for our happiness in our department, we want to be able to communicate more quickly with our families back home. We want, we want, we want, we want, I want, we want.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: it seems like you guys had the perfect system already. Why change something thatís already working so good?

Skip: because individuals are selfish.

Karra: itís not so much selfishness is that they are not thinking of what they're actually doing.

Russ: that goes against sixth dimensional thinking.

Karra: people work together as a group fantastically but itís when they have the free time to relax and unwind and how can you make their lives better. Remember, we're always striving to make our lives better.

Russ: right.

Karra: now how do you do that?

Russ: by always trying to improve yourself.

Karra: uh-huh, and if you can get stuff from Sirius to make yourself more comfortable here on the Hades Base?

Russ: but aren't you always trying to think so many ways ahead of how many ways this particular thing is going to affect this?

Karra: yes it is but sometimes they donít. They make up their minds, "okay, we made to make ourselves more comfortable here, we need a particular bush to put in our living room that would make it more like home.

Russ: bush?

Karra: Iím giving an example.

Russ: okay.

Karra: itís a little fruity bush that gives off little fruits that taste real nice and it's very exquisite and I would like one. But this couple that have been on the base for years, they missed it so much that they thought the only person that would be able to get a hold of it for them would be me so they researched it and yes it does......it is capable of growing up here. Yes it is a very exquisitely tasty little bush, I would love one dearly but they donít travel very well......

Russ: oh.

Karra: so the best that I could get was seeds for them.

Russ: and how could they grow it?

Karra: exactly.

Russ: oh.

Karra: but they would like it now sooner than later because they really do miss the flavors and you can't blame them really.

Russ: right, I agree.

Karra: but instead of going to Treebeard and saying, "look.....", they went to the person at the top, the one person that they could think would do it and be able to pull it off.

Russ: and what'd you do?

Karra: I got ahold of seeds for them and I told them that, as ambassador, they owe me a favor. What I didn't tell them was that instead of getting a dozen seeds I got 24.

Russ: oh, so you saved some for yourself.

Karra: no, I have one that hopefully will grow for myself and the rest I put on storage.

Russ: excellent idea.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: living for three hundred years, you'll have plenty of time to wait for that little guy to grow.

Karra: 300 years?

Russ: well for Sirians.

Karra: we live closer to eight, nine hundred years.

Russ: oh thatís right.

Karra: weíre not Durondedunns you know.

Russ: three hundred per rejuvenation.

Karra: thereabouts.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: and then there's the people that are new to the base that donít like being underground and get cramped and they want to go home. Unfortunately we got I think about fifteen new people the other day and two of them already want to go home.

Russ: really?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: bummer.

Karra: so unfortunately what I'm going to do is, before people are assigned here, I would like to see their records and the psychological profiles and all the necessary data so I can if necessary veto them. Since I've been ambassador, I have had six people request to return home to Sirius.

Russ: well can I make a suggestion?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: is there a way you could......they could do like a few days or a week-long session on Sirius in similar conditions?

Karra: no, itís not the same because you know at the end of it youíre going to be outside.

Russ: thatís true.

Karra: uh-huh. Besides, if youíre an astral traveler, even a weak astral traveler, you can look outside the underground caverns on the planetís surface and see the view here. One thing that I've noticed is that they're weak astral travelers.....

Russ: hmm.

Karra: they're not even medium astral travelers which means that they can get off the planet and cruise around in the local neighborhood. Thatís one thing that Iíve noticed.

Russ: okay.

Karra: secondly, theyíre all from sparsely populated areas where there's lots of walking room. Different areas on the planet.

Russ: oh.

Karra: so I am starting to see a pattern.

Russ: yeah, interesting pattern.

Karra: uh-huh, they're all highly intelligent which is the reason why they requested and got accepted to come here. Theyíre not all young, they're not all old, they're a wide spectrum of ages.

Russ: so a couple good points you can narrow down.

Karra: uh-huh, thatís two to start off with. Iíve gone through quite a few records and I see individuals that are very similar in their profile that are very, very happy here and take it as home so it doesnít hold up. Okay, let me put on my ambassadorial hat. Okay, official announcement, almost forgot. We are delighted to host the....the name I not going to mention because it's a Sirian name but the translation is Baron Squadron. It will be composed of the elite pilots from the pilot schools. They will be the top pilots, not in our sector but throughout the whole entire sector that are covered by the Blue Guys. This is a second elite squadron, there is only one another elite squadron. The individuals, once they have been selected, will serve permanently within that squadron until they either reach retirement age or cease to function.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: great.

Karra: however if they fall below the necessary standards of that squadron, they will be asked to leave.

Russ: those coming to serve here on the Baron Squadron are selected and probably volunteer to serve permanently on that squadron on Hades Base and they'll be living on Hades base. Why? Because theyíre in the top elite squadron in the whole sector but now these people coming from Sirius, theyíre not coming to stay in the elite base out of all of Ashtar Command, itís just a base in Ashtar Command.

Karra: thatís correct.

Russ: so they donít feel as special as these pilots are going to be feeling. Is there a way to make these people coming to feel more special that theyÖ.?

Karra: itís a different mind processes, youíve got to remember, one thing about the pilotsÖ.

Russ: yeah, their genetic.

Karra: to serve in the ultimate squadron regardless of where it is. You could stick it on a frozen planet and they could live in frozen cold huts and they would be delighted to be in the elite squadron on that planet because itís not the place, it's the squadron.

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: the people coming from Sirius, seems like if they were given a reason to come and stay that's special for them. Like once they get here they want to leave, be reminded of what a special place this is to be at and what an honor it is to be here.

Karra: I try but when somebody makes up their mindÖ.

Russ: well at least before they get there kind of let them know that this is very special for them.

Karra: oh they come thinking that it is.

Russ: oh they do?

Karra: and sometimes they just donít realize what they're getting themselves into. Donít forget, they can't go home for the first year, they've got to work a year here before they can.

Skip: oh yeah, yes.

Karra: okay, hereís a blessing for you.

(Karra passes on the blessing promised by Kiri which almost sounds Sirian)

Skip: okay.

Karra: that is a thank you blessing, that's literally what it means. Okay, let me put on the next speaker.

Skip: okay.

Karra: uh-huh.




(Tia joins the channeling session to go over some weather research she had been doing)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Skip: hi sweetie.

Tia: hey. So I get to go on last because I put Kiri on last all the time. Okay, we seem to have a relaxed session going.

Russ: oh yeah, very much so.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: I was going to continue on my vein from last week on the politics, my other option was also on the markets but Iím not going to. What Iím going to talk about is weather.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: whether what?

Tia: weather.

Skip: Iíve got to tease you a little bit hon.

Tia: where should I start? Okay letís start with United States. Okay letís start with extreme high temperatures.

Skip: well weíve got some doozies.

Tia: oh yes, you have on the East and the plains really hot weather and then in Utah, Salt Lake City as it happens, you have a tornado. And then in the Valley of Snow you've had no class one smog days for the first time since the records started. Reason, cool mountain breezes snowing up the valley almost continuously. Whatís going on? Is it blamed on natural phenomenon? Nope, it's blamed on global warming. I'm kind of confused here, it itís global warming in one place and cooler below average in another place, the two and two donít add up.

Skip: no, they sure as heck donít.

Tia: very confusing. Okay, they talk about La NiŮa. Now
La NiŮa and El NiŮo, are they new phenomenons?

Russ: no.

Tia: how long have they been around for? Now, one's creating hot spells on one side of your country and itís also creating cool, wet spells on another side of the country. Is it possible that global warming has been mistaken? Remember how important I said research was on getting the facts right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: what ticks me is when it is evident of manís or human's inconsideration for the planet. Burning down the forest in Borneo, burning down the forest in Malaysia, that is wrong, that gets me ticked off very quickly, incredibly quickly. But to blame a phenomenon on something else is rather confusing for me. Saying that it's global warming creating the hot spells on the East of your country but yet on the other hand people aren't considering the fact that itís cooler than normal on the other side of the country.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: to me itís just balancing out.

Tia: exactly, to me itís balancing out. Itís very, very concerning that this misconception of global warming and the few scientists that are raving about global warming, they donít really know. They have a conclusion that theyíve arrived by extrapolating information that is short-term. Tiny-term, 200 years at most of information. They havenít gone out and done the research. Those that have taken the time and instead of looking at weather charts created by the species of the planet, they go out and look at a far better record, they go out and look at ice core samples, they go out and dig in marshes and look for pollen levels, they go out and measure glaciation flows. Do you know what happened recently with the group that went out and started measuring glaciation flows and they had been doing it for close to 60 years, that particular group?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: uh-uh.

Tia: horror, shock, the glacier's moving. This particular glacier they'd been studying for 60 years is moving. Guess which way itís moving? Itís in the North up near the North pole, guess which way itís moving? South. Do you know what that means?

Skip: means the globe is starting to cool down......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: instead of warm.

Tia: shock, horror, they make an announcement, guess what happens?

Skip: hmm?

Tia: pah, that research is useless. It's only been done 60 years. In the 60 years, it has moved close to a hundred feet.

Skip: thatís fast.

Tia: that is fast. Kind of concerning isnít it?

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: you could say that this is a brief warm spell between cold winters.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but the thing is that in about 1100s there was a mini Ice Age. Now this could just be another mini Ice Age that's causing it to move a hundred feet in 60 years. A hundred feet is an average, the average distance. Itís been over a hundred feet that itís moved but it's still a hundred feet further ahead than it was. So maybe if there is global warming, it's going to warm it back up to how it was 60 years ago.

Skip: uh-huh, break it off yeah, melt it down.

Tia: melt it down which means that the global warming is going to push it back to where it was 60 years ago.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but, if it continues to move forward, even a foot forward, it means itís still cooling down but what did they do?

Skip: pah.

Tia: they shut it down.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: they have hard and fact proof. They don't have projections, they donít have information that is man created, human created, they have actual physical proof that 60 years ago the glacier was here and now itís here heading South. That is physical, natural proof that it is cooling.

Skip: yep.

Tia: but it's total bunk, total bunk. Actual physical evidence is now considered total bunk. Now, that does tick me off. Now if you go a stage further and go down to Antarctica where the ice shelf has become unstable and you look at the actual information on why it's become unstable, itís not because the sea level is risingÖ

Skip: because it's going down.

Tia: it's dropped, it's dropped just a little, not very much not even half an inch, not even a quarter of an inch, itís only dropped one eighth of an inch. Think of the stress that would build up and cause an ice shelf to break off.

Skip: that's right.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: because ice is heavy.

Tia: uh-huh, very heavy and they start raving about that being global warming. Now if was global warming in a cold environment where the warmest day is -30, the ice still freezes, salt water still freezes at -30.

Skip: yeah because the temperature pushes the salt out as it freezes.

Tia: thatís correct so why would a ice shelf become unstable? Definitely not from global warming because even at -30 that's irrelevant. But, what has happened on the driest place on earth, is the fact that the water's dropped just a fraction, enough that all the stress on it has made it crack and break and break off and they're calling that global warming as well. Now if you remember, I mentioned that I was doing research on global warming.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: this is the end product of the research.

Skip: okay.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: so we have now two spots where I can conclusively prove that global warming......

Skip: is bunk.

Tia: is bunk.

Skip: right.

Tia: one is Granite Bay, thatís up in the Arctic and the other one is, I think it's Sheperson's Ice Shelf.

Russ: there's the Ross Ice shelf.

Tia: thank you, Ross Ice Shelf. There's several that I've been looking at and watching but Ross is the most well-known of them.

Russ: right.

Tia: so we now have two spots where global warming has been disproved. Iím about to supply a third.

Skip: and nobody's believing it.

Tia: uh-huh. The third one is a core sample taken from a glacial in the high Himalayas. Okay, the core sample shows layers of pollen that had been taken from this glacier. The level of pollen deposited in the last 200 years has decreased. Now pollen levels are synonymous with warm, comfortable climates, the warmer the climate the longer the growing season.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: the thinner the level of pollen, the colder, the wetter, the shorter the growing season. This core sample shows in the last 200 years a gradual decline in the warmth and the pollen that's been laid down with the glaciation.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: point number three. So we now have conclusive proof that global warming is bunk.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: okay, going to bring up another one, back to Antarctica again. Algae,
algae growth. A little lichen-type growth that grows on the rocks and under the ice of Antarctica. Analyzing that in the core samples from that indicate that it is not growing as rapidly as it was. Now it grows very, very slowly however, when it is warm and there is more sunlight, it grows fairly rapidly, probably a millimeter a year. Thatís very, very slow actually. It has grown less than that actually which implies.......

Skip: that we're cooling down.

Tia: correct, so we now have four. Do you want me to go on?

Skip: no, that's enough hon.

Tia: I think I proved the point.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: very nice though.

Tia: I have over 30 such incidents.

Russ: wow.

Tia: from bogs, from sand, from all sorts of places. Research that is freely available on your planet. Nobody's put them all together and every time somebody comes close in one particular field with an answer, pah, it's shut down.

Skip: they don't know what they're talking about in other words when a story's put out.

Tia: yep. N
ow, do you want to know why that's put out?

Skip: hmm?

Tia: one thing. The technology to combat the supposed global warming, guess what?

Skip: hmm?

Tia: makes a lot of money.

Skip: I'm sure.

Tia: a hell of a lot of money.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: now, I think itís good that the technology's being pursued, you want to know why?

Russ: hmm?

Tia: because there is pollution in your planet, guess what that pollution is doing?

Russ: hmm?

Tia: it's aiding in the global cooling.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: how much time do we have left?

Russ: we're out of time.

Tia: okay, I am finished and the tape should be almost finished.

Russ: it is.

Tia: uh-huh. So, what conclusion do we have?


THE TAPE ENDS


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