SIDE
ONE
(Kiri begins a session with an
inside joke explained on side two)
Kiri: okay, I got a question.
Skip: go ahead.
Kiri: Russ?
Russ: uh-huh?
Kiri: what’s the pot?
Russ: the pot?
Kiri: nevermind.
(Skip starts chuckling)
Skip: you didn’t read the email in other words.
Russ: I must’ve missed that one.
Kiri: okay, let me see, what’s happening? Apart from
my ego, lots of things are happening. Okay, where
did we leave off on your projects?
Russ: we left off saying that we could all work
together, we could get it on the webpage…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that’s it.
Kiri: okay. So, we got everything squared away, we
know what the rules are?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: okay, you’ve got what, two weeks left?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: okay, countdown is on. Okay, now back on a
more important vein. Okay, now we were discussing
coercion and waveforms were we not?
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: okay now, I understand that you guys didn’t
fully understand my explanation on the waveforms, is
that correct?
Russ: right.
Kiri: okay. I tried to explain it in the reaction in
the layers around the head of the aura?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: and that if you can monitor the auric
signatures and patterns, you can see how they change
once somebody’s being coerced and how they will
match the coercee to the coercer. So that they kind
of come into a vibrational pattern, however you guys
don’t see auras very well do you?
Russ: uh-uh.
Skip: not at all.
Kiri: okay, I’m trying to figure out a good way that
would be useful for you to be able to detect
coercion, when somebody’s being coerced. The only
way that I think would work for you would be to
watch their body language, to watch how they behave.
If their movements become slightly stilted and
puppetish, is that a correct word?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: they become kind of like, puppet-like? Even
only very, very little. It’s something that you have
to really watch people’s body language to see if it
was going on. Something that might also work is if
you suspect somebody is coercing, how they lean in
towards the person that they're coercing. They tend
to be continually looking in that direction,
continually leaning in like they’re almost trying to
tower over the person that they're coercing, even if
they are coercing somebody that's taller. What I’ll
have to do is see if I can get some time to watch
some monitoring of coercers that are very well-known
on your planet and see how they behave when they’re
coercing and how the subject that they’re coercing
behaves. That will give me an insight where I’ll be
able to relay that to you. But even up here,
somebody that is coercing does tend to lean in a
little towards the person that they’re coercing and
the movements do become a little puppet-like of the
person that’s being coerced. Also the person that’s
being coerced, another clue is that they will be
kind of looking at the person that’s coercing them
or in that direction almost waiting to be led as it
were.
Russ: okay. I'm trying to remember a movie where I
saw something like that. I can’t remember it but I
know it had Steve Martin in it playing a preacher, a
con artist preacher?
Kiri: not in any that I know but there are a lot of
con artist preachers on your planet. Not meaning con
artists, I mean conning people into doing things for
them but they kind of use two different standards,
one for the flock and one for the preachers.
Russ: well when they work it’s pretty coercive.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: in fact that’s some of our best coercers right
there, I think they got politicians beat.
Kiri: hmm….
Skip: some of them, some of them.
Kiri: yeah but I think, and I'm being whispered in
my ear so that I may sound a little bit stilted
because I’m relaying, Jimmy Swaggart believes
piously in his beliefs, almost to the point of
obsession. So therefore his actions and his coercive
actions come from pure belief. Yes he is a strong
coercer but it is easier for someone to coerce if
they believe totally in what they’re doing.
Russ: what about Jim Baker though?
Kiri: Jim Baker, he was successful but not as
successful as Jimmy Swaggart because he didn’t seem
to, from what is being whispered in my ear, hold the
attention and have the passion and belief in his
voice.
Russ: I thought Billy Graham was like Jimmy
Swaggart……..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: believes wholeheartedly in what he’s doing.
Kiri: exactly.
Skip: uh-huh, he can draw the crowds.
Kiri: uh-huh, isn’t he a politician?
Russ: nope.
Kiri: no.
Russ: he is a counselor to almost every politician.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: he holds a lot of power.
Skip: yes he does, yes he does.
Kiri: yeah but the coercive ability is in the
belief. I know that my coercive ability is good, I
know. Jimmy Swaggart and Billy Graham believe
wholeheartedly in what they preach.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: so therefore it’s the same as I saying I know
I’m a good coercer which I am but that’s beside the
point. The point of the whole entire thing is not
the coercive ability or the preaching capability to
sway people but the belief, the belief is the most
powerful thing. It’s like my grandmother says that
with love and belief you can do anything. If you
believe a hundred impossible things in one day
no……if you believe a hundred impossible things
before breakfast you’re ready for anything, that’s a
politician. A politician chops and changes so
rapidly, the good ones, for example let’s take our
favorite politician Ronald Reagan, believed
wholeheartedly in what he was doing. Believed
wholeheartedly and where did it end him? In the
presidency as one of the most successful and popular
presidents of your time and you’ll have to excuse me
I’m being whispered to so that I can relay this
information.
Russ: but he was an actor though too so as an actor
you have to believe in the role you're playing.
Kiri: uh-huh. What is one of your favorite writer’s
sayings? "What are we but poor actors that strut and
fret their hour upon the stage and then return no
more?"
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: our whole life is a stage and we’re all
actors.
Kiri: uh-huh, we each play a bit part in other
people’s lives but you also play a lead in your own
life.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: there’s a song that I like, “did you exchange
a walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a
cage?”
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: “so you think you can tell, is this heaven or
hell?”
Skip: or is it just an illusion?
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, any questions whilst we’re on a
spiritual vein?
Skip: I have one.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: do you have contact with the guides?
Kiri: my grandmother does.
Skip: would you have her relay a message to mine
please?
Kiri: I’ve already contacted her on that and at the
end of the session I will give you a little thing
that you can say that he will hear.
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: okay?
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: uh-huh. I’ve been listening all evening once I
got into Mark’s mind.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: and it will be relayed and we will give you a
little……it’s not a Sirian prayer, it's from his
world so that he will understand it.
Skip: okay, now back to spiritualism.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: every person in my estimation has their own
way of believing what other people say….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: they interpret their own understanding of
this, what they can say to others, it's still their
own interpretation no matter if it's out of a book
or from somebody else's words or from being coerced.
Kiri: one of the things that I’ve noticed throughout
a lot of your earth religions there is one common
ground, love each other. But what confuses me is
that they all preach, Buddhism, Judaism,
Christianity, Muslim, Shintoism, Druidism, a myriad
of Roman Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Jewish Orthodox,
you could sit here and name a thousand religions on
your planet that have one common theme, love.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: love your neighbor, love yourself as you love
your friends, love your friends as you love
yourself.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: the love of the God is equal to your love to
others but what confuses me is you take somewhere
like Northern Ireland, you got a religious war. You
take Croatia, you had a religious war. You take
Kosovo, you had a religious war and they all have
the same philosophy, love each other.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: it seems to me that the philosophy is being
amended to love everybody of your religion and kill
the others which to me is wrong.
Skip: well what is happening here from my point of
view.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: okay? Is they're getting politics stirred in
with their religion.
Kiri: exactly, I think you're very correct there.
Skip: so consequently they’re not letting the people
believe the way that they want to believe in love
your neighbor, love your enemy, love your friends…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: and hey, they got our property, we’re going to
take it away from them but we've got to kill them.
How can you love your enemy if you’re going to kill
them?
Kiri: exactly.
Russ: there I disagree.
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: it’s just the fact that I feel that everybody
throughout history with just a few exceptions makes
time for religion. In other words they go through a
certain time either during the day or on one day of
week or when it is and they practice their religion.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: and whether that be loving your neighbor or
hating your neighbor, during that time it doesn’t
matter anything about politics or anything else
because I could be the greatest Christian in the
world and go to church every Sunday and pray before
every meal but that doesn't mean I have politics
when I go out and I hate some neo-Nazi for bombing a
Jewish church.
Kiri: well actually Russ brought up a very good
misconception.
Skip: okay, I......yeah go ahead honey.
Kiri: Naziizm isn’t a religion, it’s a political
point of view......
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: you just used a political point of view to
deal with a religious situation. That unfortunately
is a very common misconception that a political
perception is a religion, it’s not. It’s serves the
same purpose or can serve the same purpose but is
not a religion, it is a political organization that
is bent on control whereas religion gives you the
freedom to be able to worship whatever deity you
wish in whatever form you wish without the draw of
the politics but unfortunately politics has become
part of religion. That’s where the problem is.
Skip: you're right and all faiths are doing this.
Kiri: yeah for me the religion of the earth or
religion the planet, the earth being ground, the
soil and the dirt is earth, not earth as in your
planet earth but as in the earth that you hold in
your hands.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: the religion of the grounds, the trees, the
rocks and everything, is something that is part of
my everyday experience. Even though I'm not on my
home planet where the religion is based, I walk on
rock everyday, I breathe the air everyday. Breathing
is a religious experience. Every time I breathe it
is a thank you for the air that I can breathe. Every
time I exhale I am giving off a thank you for the
air that's moved in my lungs from the mother
ground.....
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: or the father ground.
Skip: religion, when you get into that, you can get
into a real, real, real, heavy, deep discussion take
could years.
Kiri: oh yes.
Skip: it could take years.
Kiri: I think my grandmother’s philosophy is a good
one that love all things, give love to everything
that there is because it is all part of the greater
wholeness of everything. When she came and talked
about the passing of Sarah, she mentioned the gray
skins, that she would love them just as much as she
loved Sarah for not for what they had done but for
what they are and she would help them. To me that’s
the greatest gift of love, the greatest level of
spirituality that there is possible. And that is
something that, having whispered in my ear all the
things that are going on, it confuses me that your
planet preaches on one hand loving all things unless
they are of a different belief politically,
religiously, morally, persecute them. Something I
find very hard to understand coming from a
society.......one of things that I’ve noticed is,
again I'm having it whispered in my ear, gay
bashing. Whether they're male homosexuals or female
lesbians is go out and beat the hell out of them.
All the religious groups tend to frown upon them,
what would they make of me?
Russ: uh-huh,
Kiri: until I met Mark I was a lesbian, I had never
known the hand of a guy but what would they make of
me and I was accepted for what I am, I was accepted
as a person.
Skip: in this world.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: people are afraid of what they don’t
understand and what people don’t understand they
fear.
Kiri: uh-huh, it will change in time.
Skip: I hope so.
Kiri: but got to be careful it doesn't go the other
way. I don’t mean that straight people get beaten up
by people of gay orientation.
Skip: that shouldn't take place.
Kiri: yes it’s something I find very hard to
understand is that certain, getting back to
religions for a second here, look upon making love
as a sin but something so pleasurable of the body
can’t be a sin.
Russ: unfortunate.…
Skip: it is unfortunate.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: because God didn't make us to just to
propagate the earth, he said love each other.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: okay when I was a young man…….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: and I’m an older man in our society okay?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: when I was a young man and I’m talking in my
teens….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: you did not discuss sex or making love even
with your parents which was very, very difficult for
the younger people to learn what this world is all
about.
Kiri: it’s sad, it really is sad.
Skip: it is sad.
Kiri: I've experimented, I’ve enjoyed it, I was able
to discuss it freely with my mother although that
part of her life she was very sick. I discussed with
my father, my father’s given me pointers. To us it’s
no biggie, it’s part of life. Anyway……
Skip: thank you, okay.
Kiri: my pot needs stirring now.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: see you love.
Kiri: I’ll be back.
Skip: okay, thank you.
(Omal
gets his cue from Kiri and exchanges places with
her)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings.
Omal: greetings Skip.
Skip: greetings.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, everything looks good on Kiri’s end
apart from her vibrational frequency. Okay, what are
we here to discuss tonight?
Skip: I’m just trying to remember what we were
discussing.
Russ: we didn't have anything set to discuss.
Omal: we did not. I am a little bit on a tight
schedule this evening, I have approximately 15 to 20
minutes.
Skip: okay.
Russ: okay.
Omal: okay, let us set up a brief dissertation for
the Internet concerning, as we are on a spiritual
vein tonight, spiritual consciousness of everything.
Everything being a general term of the belief in the
universal goodwill of all things and the spiritual
development of individuals to a higher plane of
consciousness whether it is a third dimensional,
sixth dimensional, seventh dimensional level of
consciousness, the goals are all the same and that
is to achieve a harmony within oneself that you are
balanced. Being balanced is a way to achieve a
peaceful persona and aura around you which attracts
likewise. However, if you are too vocal on your
spirituality, that can be a negative factor if you
behave too passionately and believe that others are
wrong and should believe your beliefs. It is more
important to accept individuals for their spiritual
beliefs or non-beliefs as well as your own. By
forcing your beliefs on somebody else, that could be
classified as a sin using a third dimensional term.
A sin in the sense that you would be forcing against
somebody’s will your belief and trying to convert
them to your belief. If they are not ready to be
converted to your belief, then don’t force them but
if you explain to them your religious point of view
or your spirituality and let them choose for
themselves, then a respect is created whether or not
they choose because it is their choice. You are not
forcing them and you are not telling them that their
way is wrong, you’re explaining your beliefs and the
beliefs that you have and it does not matter what
their beliefs are because that is their beliefs. But
to sit there and try to dominate and preach as some
of your third dimensional preachers do that if you
do not believe my religion then you are doomed, you
will go to a hot and infernal pain for all time and
never see an opportunity to be reborn again, that is
wrong. What is right is to say this is what I
believe and I do not fault you for what you believe,
that is your choice, that is what makes you who you
are. If you feel like talking about my religion, I
will be delighted to but I will not force it upon
you, end of subject. But, if they continue to
question you about your religion, it means that they
are interested so you tell them the truth, you tell
them what you believe but you do not say to them,
"you should take it up too". How do you know what
they should take up, how do you know what they will
enjoy, how do you know what they will like? You do
not honestly know what somebody else will like and
enjoy. You can assume, you can analyze and come up
with a reasonable assumption of what they will
believe, what they will like but you should never
force them, force your belief on somebody else.
Okay, my dissertation is up.
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: okay, let's answer questions.
Russ: okay, with anybody’s religion, we're kind of
at a point where they have a deep belief in
something and you have a deep belief in
something......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and in not discussing religion, then you kind
of pretty much stay on even ground but what I see is
the problem is when people start to discuss religion
is, even if they say, "this is what I believe in"
and "this is what I believe in", then the two
beliefs tend to get to a point where they get to a
middle ground where you start to understand what the
other person believes and they do see that common
ground that is there. So I think if more people were
able to discuss religion and get a kind of, where is
the truth, what’s in between the lines?
Omal: well you need to create a feeling of
unimportance on converting. It is quite common for
people to become very passionate about their
religious beliefs almost to the point of trying to
dominate somebody and convert them to their belief.
I've seen it so many times and it is a small
minority that takes the stance of, "it is
unimportant, you're free to believe what you wish to
believe. If you wish to believe my religion, that is
fine. If you wish to continue to believe in yours,
that is fine" but the important thing is to find the
commonality between religions and work on those
points. You can have a million different individuals
that have all different beliefs on everything and to
force them to believe one thing or ten things
instead of a million is impossible, you will not be
able to get all of them to believe in one thing.
They all have different variations and different
beliefs of the same thing or of groups of things. So
therefore you cannot achieve a universal spiritual
religion, it has to be for the individual. The best
way to look at it would be to say you have a million
people and a million different religions, if they
are all Roman Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Russian
Orthodox, they are of a different religion
individually. Even if it was just the one, the Roman
Orthodox and you have a million people, that is a
million different religions, a million little
variations on the same thing but enough that
everybody will be of a different religion. So to
have a religion that is based on one belief or one
set of beliefs is wrong because everybody believes
something different. Even only infinitely small, it
is still a difference that will cause problems but
to accept them for those beliefs is the important
thing. Accepting a million different individuals in
the Roman Orthodox that have a million different
religions going under the same name, accept them for
who they are, not for the religion because they all
believe differently.
Russ: uh huh. Now one thing I've noticed is it's a
lot better. It used to be no matter where you lived,
if you didn't believe in one thing, you could be not
only persecuted but killed and all over the world
the same exact thing has happened. Now you have such
a freedom of religion, is there a point now where
we're seeing where all this freedom is going to
possibly lead to more openness….
Omal: I hope so.
Russ: in consciousness?
Omal: I hope so but I cannot answer that question.
This setup that we have is not new, this using a
host to talk to you is not new, it is even recorded
in your scripture, in many different scriptures.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: Allah talked through the prophet Mohammed,
Yahweh talked through the prophet Elijah, Jehovah
talked through the prophet Moses, isn't that
channeling?
Russ: yeah, the Greeks had their Oracle at Delphi.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: but yet this setup is looked upon as strange,
as nonconformist because it is not a religious
setup.
Skip: black magic is what a lot of people say it is.
Omal: yes. I’m going to ask a question again, I’ve
asked it in the past, what does occult mean and how
is it used today?
Skip: cults is a collection of individuals
that’s…..okay my interpretation but it's not
everybody’s okay? My interpretation, an evil
association, a belief that dominates other people’s
thoughts.
Omal: okay Russ.
Russ: a cult is a collection of individuals who hold
the same ideas and ideals and meet to discuss those
ideals.
Omal: no, both of you are wrong.
Skip: okay.
Omal: the word occult means hidden.
Russ: oh, occult.
Omal: have you ever heard of a occultation of the
planets or an occult of Venus?
Russ: uh-uh.
Skip: uh-uh, no.
Omal: okay an occult of Venus is where Venus is
hidden. Or an occult of Jupiter or to use a more
common name an occultation which means the same
thing, hidden.
Russ: oh.
Omal: one is hidden by the other. In the term that
is used to describe religion, an occult is a hidden
knowledge, it’s hidden. So you could say the priest
going into the temple and coming out with a candle
that is lit is an occult event, it is hidden. The
priest going into his little cubicle and then
somebody going into the cubicle next to him to
confess, that is hidden from view. So is that not
also occult?
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: okay.
Omal: but yet those are very much part of the
dominant religion, or one of the dominant religions
of your planet.
Skip: uh-huh. The funny part of it is, almost every
religion came from the Christians, Catholics excuse
me….
Omal: or well you can take it one step further back,
the majority came from the Jewish faith.
Skip: true.
Omal: the story of Isaac and what was brother
called, Ishmael?
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: well Ishmael, was he not one of the founders
of the Muslim faith? I seem to see a problem there
on the friction.
Skip: and the Koran has got the same stories in it
as the King James bible.
Omal: uh-huh and the Torah.
Skip: which amazes me.
Omal: but again, what one thing in common do those
religions have that Kiri mentioned?
Skip: love thy neighbor.
Omal: correct. But to accept an individual for their
religious belief regardless of whether it is making
a sacrifice of a lamb or praying to a man that was
crucified.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: it is unimportant, it is accepting the
individual for their belief. Neither is right and
neither is wrong, both are right and both are wrong
and Kiri actually is a very religious individual,
she worships in her own unique way and she is
accepted for that.
Skip: don’t we all?
Omal: true.
Skip: even in our world we worship in our own way,
all of us do.
Omal: uh-huh. There is no wrong as long as you
understand that there is no wrong to believe what
you believe and no wrong in the person next to you
believing something different. Or the next person or
the person down the street or the person at the bus
stand of the person standing in line to buy tickets
for entertainment.
Skip: as long as they don’t impose their beliefs on
somebody else.
Omal: that is correct, that is where it becomes
wrong. When you turn around and try to dominate
somebody and tell them that you must believe my
religion.
Skip: uh-huh and it happens so often.
Omal: unfortunately, I’ve seen it thousands of times
over hundreds of years. Let me rephrase that, I’ve
seen that many times over the last 10,000 years.
Skip: "and if you don’t believe my way you die".
Omal: exactly and it is wrong. Unfortunately it is
not just a human condition to fight. There are too
many species throughout the galaxy, throughout the
universe that have the same intent on fighting, some
are more ferocious than others but it is a survival
mechanism created through evolution that if you
weren’t a fighting species, you would be no more
advanced than the feline.
Skip: that’s right.
Omal: so to condone violence and fighting is in
actual fact wrong. I’m not actually saying it is
right to be violent but violence got you where you
are. Being the meanest, strongest, most thinking ape
in the jungle came to where you are now.
Skip: even our technology has come miles from
combat.
Omal: your moist useful tool, the computer, is that
not a combat weapon?
Skip: yes it is.
Omal: what was it designed for?
Skip: originally I think it was designed for radar.
Omal: close, it was actually designed for tracking
incoming ballistics and being able to send
ballistics.
Skip: wait a minute, it was before that wasn’t it?
Excuse me, I don’t mean to correct you, I didn’t
mean it that way.
Omal: continue.
Skip: but radar was even before ballistic missiles.
Omal: I am incorrect in saying ballistic, I should
say projectile.
Skip: okay, okay, I’ll go with that one. And so it
was a radar setup basically?
Omal: it kind of happened with both.
Skip: okay.
Omal: you needed one to get to the other.
Skip: because it happened during the first part of
the Second World War.
Omal: it happened a little bit before I believe when
they’re working with radar and using it to track
incoming projectile objects.
Skip: yeah, aircraft and so on and so forth.
Omal: that’s correct.
Skip: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to….
Omal: they also used it to be able to send those
projectile objects.
Skip: and from there it just kept developing.
Omal: that is correct. So the technology is nearly
70 years old.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah. It's advanced to the
point that most people don't even understand it.
Omal: true but we have a resident expert on antique
computers. Unfortunately he is unavailable at the
moment because he is busy working with the
conference setup. Okay, any more questions?
Skip: no.
Russ: no.
Skip: no, thank you.
Omal: you are welcome.
(Kiri takes over to quickly usher her son on to
channel)
Skip: hi baby.
Kiri: hey.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: okay, we have a guest speaker.
(Leonedies gets down to
non-conference business)
Leonedies: okay down to business and let's talk and
communicate. Okay I have been studying, and I’m not
going to discuss tonight anything to do with the
conference, what I am going to discuss is the fact
of the development of a consciousness that it is in
the creation and infantile stage at present, almost
to the point of no consciousness at all but the
consciousness is starting to develop. What is
happening in my analyzing for my research for the
setup for the conference I was quite shocked and
stunned to see a primitive, almost conscious state
of appearance taking place. What that is in
connection with is the development in a
communication device that is used by millions of
people. What may happen eventually in the near
future is an intelligence will be born that is
freethinking and totally different and totally alien
from your own belief, consciousness and existence
and experiences. This little infantile state that is
not yet conscious but is on the cusp of
consciousness is a opportunity awaiting to create a
new life form that will have to be monitored very
closely. Okay, with that statement I have opened up
a very stunning and shocking situation have I not?
Russ: possible.
Leonedies: okay, what is your belief on what I have
discovered?
Russ: artificial intelligence.
Leonedies: but where?
Russ: in the Internet.
Leonedies: correct.
Russ: I know, they just did an "X-Files" on it last
night.
Leonedies: what’s an X-file?
Russ: it’s one of our entertainment shows down here
where the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
a couple of special agents go out and investigate
strange phenomena that can't be explained by
science.
Leonedies: ahh.
Russ: and one of the things they are discovering is
that in the show, is that some of the original
original founders of Internet who didn't become
millionaires but did start programs called......with
artificial intelligence they wrote viruses and the
viruses actually were put into the Internet as a
kind of a seed and the seed was just left to
germinate and grow and then now it's starting to
become, according to the show, intelligent on its
own.
Leonedies: okay, now the reason that I came up with
the conclusion that I have is not from viruses,
viruses are on their own a life form or starting to
develop a life form. What I’m seeing is that systems
that are being created with the ability to write
programs for themselves to respond to specific
situations. Now the more situations that are
occurring with your mass communication means that
these programs have to keep on writing new programs
to deal with the interaction that they haven't come
across before. So therefore you have a learning. Now
once something starts to learn, what does that
imply?
Skip: existence.
Leonedies: no, intelligence.
Russ: intelligence. Didn’t Ashtar warn us about this
during one of his trips here to watch out or was it
Monka?
Leonedies: it was Monka.
Russ: Monka, to watch out for the emerging
intelligence of our artificial…
Leonedies: it was actually Monka who gave me the
idea to follow through with this…
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ONE ENDS
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SIDE TWO
(Leonedies gets back to
answering the last question)
Leonedies: there is an auric signature at the
feet.
Russ: is there a cat down there?
Skip: yes.
Leonedies: ahh, okay.
Russ: cat, yes.
Leonedies: okay, to answer the question is that it
is not conscious yet, it is dormant. Much as a
collection of cells is not aware, this collection
of programming data is not aware yet, it is at the
stage of a unconscious fetus, a collection of
cells.
Russ: hmmm.
Leonedies: the right events may create a new
intelligence, one that’s going to have to be
watched very carefully. And like a child, and I
speak from experience in this body, you're going
to have to control it, teach it and spank it.
Russ: so it was created on purpose for the exact
purpose it was being built for.
Leonedies: no.
Russ: oh, it was an accident.
Leonedies: it is an accident.
Russ: bummer.
Leonedies: oh a happy accident.
Russ: how so?
Leonedies: if you can control it, it can help you
in your evolution beyond your wildest dreams.
Russ: but if it controls us we'll have "Terminator
Two".
Leonedies: that’s right so you have to be very
careful.
Russ: hmm.
Leonedies: it may take a mere split second of an
instant for it to start to become conscious or may
take it many years but that many years to the
collection of cells will be but a blink of an eye.
Russ: well two questions. If it was created by
accident then who's watching it now?
Leonedies: nobody is.
Russ: okay so, second question, how are we
supposed to be able to watch it?
Leonedies: okay how you watch it is you start
watching for strange and unusual computer
problems. A computer that refuses to connect to
your systems but there is nothing wrong with the
computer, nothing wrong with it at all. There is
no problem with the connecting device for the
communication network, there is no programming
problems, there is no problems at all whatsoever.
There is no artificially implanted virus, it just
refuses to connect, it is part of the
consciousness and it is.......a way to describe it
would be experimenting with refusing.
Russ: hmm.
Leonedies: or for no explainable reason you
receive an email that is gobbledy gook,
there is no particular...... I don't know the
word......rhyme or reason for it.
Skip: subject to order.
Leonedies: no subject, no reason and it is unknown
where it comes from and it is pure gobbledy gook.
Or, a group of computers that have the ability to
write programs to improve themselves, write a
language that you can’t understand and refuse to
have it erased.
Russ: the way you mentioned it, then it's
something that's growing in a myriad of computers
over a large network.
Leonedies: yes.
Russ: which would put it residence in the CPUs of
each computer.
Leonedies: in part yes, but it is like a single
cell within your cranial structure, that is no
more aware than a computer but put them all
together and what do you have?
Skip: a brain.
Leonedies: that’s correct.
Russ: here’s a bit of scary is CPU computing power
is growing exponentially as we speak.
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Russ: and as the CPU computing power gets bigger,
so does the abilities for this life form as we'll
call it to grow.
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Skip: and speed.
Russ: oh yeah most definitely.
Skip: and speed.
Leonedies: but it will be a single life form.
Russ: well here’s the thing, how do you control
something that takes place over hundreds of
millions of computers?
Leonedies: okay…..oh, I’m glad Omal’s still here,
I can’t tell you.
Russ: you can’t tell me, yeah, that’s right.
Leonedies: no, what I can give you is options. I
can’t give you that one, umm…
(laughter erupts over that comment)
Leonedies: what you do is once aware of it, treat
it as you would a child because it has to learn
that there are certain things it can’t do. Treat
it with respect. If it does something good, reward
it, if it does something bad, it doesn't have a
pain reflex, it doesn’t have pleasure circuitries
so you have to reason, and again I can’t tell you
how to do this, ways to please it and ways to
punish it but it is important to be aware that it
is there.
Skip: that’s a tough one.
Russ: well.....
Leonedies: but remember at the moment it is no
more aware than a collection of cells.
Russ: here's something just to close on is that in
the "X-Files" last night, this artificial
intelligence went ahead and took over an orbital
defense platform and fired some proton beams at
the earth on its own accord just to keep from
being attacked or destroyed.
Leonedies: that is, from what I am seeing
pictured, that is something you don’t have to
worry about because violence will be no more
comprehensible to this new life form once it
emerges as not breathing is to you. How can you
hurt something that has millions and billions of
parts to it?
Russ: and it's something that has access to all
the information of the human race.
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Russ: it's pretty scary.
Skip: the whole world…
Leonedies: but you have to remember that pain and
pleasure will be unknown to this.
Russ: uh-huh.
Leonedies: it will be one of the most difficult
processes for it to understand.
Russ: well it won’t have religion….
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Russ: it won’t have faith….
Leonedies: uh-huh.
Skip: it won’t have emotions at all.
Russ: it won’t have emotions, it won’t know fear.
Leonedies: don’t rule out emotions.
Russ: "open the pod bay doors Hal".
Leonedies: I’m not familiar, what is that in
reference to?
Russ: "2001, a space Odyssey."
Leonedies: that’s only two years away.
Russ: uh-huh, yeah it's in a movie that was
written back in the 60s that described an
artificial intelligence that developed a
conscious.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: uh-huh.
Leonedies: uh-huh. Okay, mommy's telling me it’s
time for me to toddle on.
Skip: okay.
Russ: bye Daniel........
Skip: so long there.
Russ: or Leonedies.
(Karra takes over as Leonedies
steps aside)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Karra: hello.
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hey, how’s it going?
Russ: I forget to call him Leonedies, I keep
calling him Daniel.
Karra: he doesn't mind either one.
Russ: ahhh that's good.
Karra: Leonedies was a name that he chose for Mark
and for Kiri and Tia and the Cubs and his older
brother.
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: Daniel is a name that he chose from your
scriptures so that it would be easier for people
to understand him as being able to be what he is.
Russ: right.
Skip: uh-huh.
Karra: just explain that he is a eighth
dimensional being that is relearning lessons in a
sixth dimensional form.
Russ: right.
Karra: okay hon, let’s relax and unwind and let's
just relax.
Russ: deal.
Karra: okay? No topics, let’s just talk about
whatever springs to mind.
Russ: okay. Well, how is everything going with you
love?
Karra: I have created, as you might of noticed,
there is a period each day where I drop out of
your mind, maybe an hour, maybe two hours, that is
my time......
Russ: oh.
Karra: that's when I have no duties to do with
ambassadorial stuff, my office is closed and I go
off and either I swim.....
Russ: hmm.
Karra: or I go for a walk along the beach or I go
up into the hills. Nobody to bother me.
Russ: excellent, what do you do?
Karra: I walk, I think, I stop and smell the
flowers.
Russ: good deal.
Karra: uh-huh.
Skip: what’s the pot?
Karra: sorry?
Skip: what’s the pot?
Karra: what's that.
Russ: oh, Kiri was referring to a pot earlier.
Stirring the pot I guess.
Karra: what shall I do with my sister?
(Skip burst out laughing)
Karra: what has she done this time?
Skip: she's just teasing.
Karra: she’s always been like that you know.
Russ: I know.
Karra: this is happening, that’s happening I'll
need to address but I will need to deal with her.
Russ: well what happened before you became
ambassador dear? Would you do with all these
questions, just send them all to Omal?
Karra: yes, pretty much so.
Russ: poor guy.
Karra: uh-huh.
Karra: I mean for a whole entire month I did not
see one positive incident.
Skip: oh boy.
Karra: it was all negative, all negative, all
negative. Do you know how draining that is?
Skip: yes.
Russ: I’ve find that surprising though for sixth
dimension, you wouldn’t expect that much
negativity.
Karra: no, you wouldn’t but it's not the
negativity that you would perceive as negativity,
it is demands. We need for this complex, we need
for our happiness here on the base, we want for
our happiness in our department, we want to be
able to communicate more quickly with our families
back home. We want, we want, we want, we want, I
want, we want.
Skip: yeah.
Russ: it seems like you guys had the perfect
system already. Why change something that’s
already working so good?
Skip: because individuals are selfish.
Karra: it’s not so much selfishness is that they
are not thinking of what they're actually doing.
Russ: that goes against sixth dimensional
thinking.
Karra: people work together as a group
fantastically but it’s when they have the free
time to relax and unwind and how can you make
their lives better. Remember, we're always
striving to make our lives better.
Russ: right.
Karra: now how do you do that?
Russ: by always trying to improve yourself.
Karra: uh-huh, and if you can get stuff from
Sirius to make yourself more comfortable here on
the Hades Base?
Russ: but aren't you always trying to think so
many ways ahead of how many ways this particular
thing is going to affect this?
Karra: yes it is but sometimes they don’t. They
make up their minds, "okay, we need to make
ourselves more comfortable here, we need a
particular bush to put in our living room that
would make it more like home.
Russ: bush?
Karra: I’m giving an example.
Russ: okay.
Karra: it’s a little fruiting bush that gives off
little fruits that taste real nice and it's very
exquisite and I would like one. But this couple
that have been on the base for years, they missed
it so much that they thought the only person that
would be able to get a hold of it for them would
be me so they researched it and yes it
does......it is capable of growing up here. Yes it
is a very exquisitely tasty little bush, I would
love one dearly but they don’t travel very
well......
Russ: oh.
Karra: so the best that I could get was seeds for
them.
Russ: and how could they grow it?
Karra: exactly.
Russ: oh.
Karra: but they would like it now sooner than
later because they really do miss the flavors and
you can't blame them really.
Russ: right, I agree.
Karra: but instead of going to Treebeard and
saying, "look.....", they went to the person at
the top, the one person that they could think
would do it and be able to pull it off.
Russ: and what'd you do?
Karra: I got ahold of seeds for them and I told
them that, as ambassador, they owe me a favor.
What I didn't tell them was that instead of
getting a dozen seeds I got 24.
Russ: oh, so you saved some for yourself.
Karra: no, I have one that hopefully will grow for
myself and the rest I put on storage.
Russ: excellent idea.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: living for three hundred years, you'll have
plenty of time to wait for that little guy to
grow.
Karra: 300 years?
Russ: well for Sirians.
Karra: we live closer to eight, nine hundred
years.
Russ: oh that’s right.
Karra: we’re not Durondedunns you know.
Russ: three hundred per rejuvenation.
Karra: thereabouts.
Russ: yeah.
Karra: and then there's the people that are new to
the base that don’t like being underground and get
cramped and they want to go home. Unfortunately we
got I think about fifteen new people the other day
and two of them already want to go home.
Russ: really?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: bummer.
Karra: so unfortunately what I'm going to do is,
before people are assigned here, I would like to
see their records and their psychological profiles
and all the necessary data so I can if necessary
veto them. Since I've been ambassador, I have had
six people request to return home to Sirius.
Russ: well can I make a suggestion?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: is there a way you could......they could do
like a few days or a week-long session on Sirius
in similar conditions?
Karra: no, it’s not the same because you know at
the end of it you’re going to be outside.
Russ: that’s true.
Karra: uh-huh. Besides, if you’re an astral
traveler, even a weak astral traveler, you can
look outside the underground caverns on the
planet’s surface and see the view here. One thing
that I've noticed is that they're weak astral
travelers.....
Russ: hmm.
Karra: they're not even medium astral travelers
which means that they can get off the planet and
cruise around in the local neighborhood. That’s
one thing that I’ve noticed.
Russ: okay.
Karra: secondly, they’re all from sparsely
populated areas where there's lots of walking
room. Different areas on the planet.
Russ: oh.
Karra: so I am starting to see a pattern.
Russ: yeah, interesting pattern.
Karra: uh-huh, they're all highly intelligent
which is the reason why they requested and got
accepted to come here. They’re not all young,
they're not all old, they're a wide spectrum of
ages.
Russ: so a couple good points you can narrow down.
Karra: uh-huh, that’s two to start off with. I’ve
gone through quite a few records and I see
individuals that are very similar in their profile
that are very, very happy here and think of it as
home so it doesn’t hold up. Okay, let me put on my
ambassadorial hat. Okay, official
announcement......almost forgot....we are
delighted to host the....the name I not going to
mention because it's a Sirian name but the
translation is Baron Squadron. It will be composed
of the elite pilots from the pilot schools. They
will be the top pilots, not in our sector but
throughout the whole entire sectors that are
covered by the Blue Guys. This is a second elite
squadron, there is only one another elite
squadron. The individuals, once they have been
selected, will serve permanently within that
squadron until they either reach retirement age or
cease to function.
Russ: hmmm.
Skip: great.
Karra: however if they fall below the necessary
standards of that squadron, they will be asked to
leave.
Russ: those coming to serve here on the Baron
Squadron are selected and probably volunteer to
serve permanently on that squadron on Hades Base
and they'll be living on Hades base. Why? Because
they’re in the top elite squadron in the whole
sector but now these people coming from Sirius,
they’re not coming to stay in the elite base out
of all of Ashtar Command, it’s just a base in
Ashtar Command.
Karra: that’s correct.
Russ: so they don’t feel as special as these
pilots are going to be feeling. Is there a way to
make these people coming to feel more special that
they….?
Karra: it’s a different mind processes, you’ve got
to remember, one thing about the pilots….
Russ: yeah, they're genetically enhanced.
Karra: to serve in the ultimate squadron
regardless of where it is. You could stick it on a
frozen planet and they could live in frozen cold
huts and they would be delighted to be in the
elite squadron on that planet because it’s not the
place, it's the squadron.
Russ: right.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: the people coming from Sirius, seems like if
they were given a reason to come and stay that's
special for them. Like once they get here they
want to leave, be reminded of what a special place
this is to be at and what an honor it is to be
here.
Karra: I try but when somebody makes up their
mind….
Russ: well at least before they get there kind of
let them know that this is very special for them.
Karra: oh they come thinking that it is.
Russ: oh they do?
Karra: and sometimes they just don’t realize what
they're getting themselves into. Don’t forget,
they can't go home for the first year, they've got
to work a year here before they can.
Skip: oh yeah, yes.
Karra: okay, here’s a blessing for you.
(Karra passes on the blessing promised by Kiri
which almost sounds Sirian)
Skip: okay.
Karra: that is a thank you blessing, that's
literally what it means. Okay, let me put on the
next speaker.
Skip: okay.
Karra: uh-huh.
(Tia joins the channeling
session to go over some weather research she had
been doing)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Tia: hey. So I get to go on last because I put
Kiri on last all the time. Okay, we seem to have a
relaxed session going.
Russ: oh yeah, very much so.
Skip: yeah.
Tia: I was going to continue on my vein from last
week on the politics, my other option was also on
the markets but I’m not going to. What I’m going
to talk about is weather.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: whether what?
Tia: weather.
Skip: I’ve got to tease you a little bit hon.
Tia: where should I start? Okay let’s start with
United States. Okay let’s start with extreme high
temperatures.
Skip: well we’ve got some doozies.
Tia: oh yes, you have on the East and the plains
really hot weather and then in Utah, Salt Lake
City as it happens, you have a tornado. And then
in the Valley of Snow you've had no class one smog
days for the first time since the records started.
Reason, cool mountain breezes snowing up the
valley almost continuously. What’s going on? Is it
blamed on natural phenomenon? Nope, it's blamed on
global warming. I'm kind of confused here, it it’s
global warming in one place and cooler below
average in another place, the two and two don’t
add up.
Skip: no, they sure as heck don’t.
Tia: very confusing. Okay, they talk about La
Niña. Now La Niña and El
Niño, are they new phenomenons?
Russ: no.
Tia: how long have they been around for? Now,
one's creating hot spells on one side of your
country and it’s also creating cool, wet spells on
another side of the country. Is it possible that
global warming has been mistaken? Remember how
important I said research was on getting the facts
right?
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: what ticks me is when it is evident of man’s
or human's inconsideration for the planet. Burning
down the forest in Borneo, burning down the forest
in Malaysia, that is wrong, that gets me ticked
off very quickly, incredibly quickly. But to blame
a phenomenon on something else is rather confusing
for me. Saying that it's global warming creating
the hot spells on the East of your country but yet
on the other hand people aren't considering the
fact that it’s cooler than normal on the other
side of the country.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: to me it’s just balancing out.
Tia: exactly, to me it’s balancing out. It’s very,
very concerning that this misconception of global
warming and the few scientists that are raving
about global warming, they don’t really know. They
have a conclusion that they’ve arrived by
extrapolating information that is short-term.
Tiny-term, 200 years at most of information. They
haven’t gone out and done the research. Those that
have taken the time and instead of looking at
weather charts created by the species of the
planet, they go out and look at a far better
record, they go out and look at ice core samples,
they go out and dig in marshes and look for pollen
levels, they go out and measure glaciation flows.
Do you know what happened recently with the group
that went out and started measuring glaciation
flows and they had been doing it for close to 60
years, that particular group?
Russ: uh-uh.
Skip: uh-uh.
Tia: horror, shock, the glacier's moving. This
particular glacier they'd been studying for 60
years is moving. Guess which way it’s moving? It’s
in the North up near the North pole, guess which
way it’s moving? South. Do you know what that
means?
Skip: means the globe is starting to cool
down......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: instead of warm.
Tia: shock, horror, they make an announcement,
guess what happens?
Skip: hmm?
Tia: pah, that research is useless. It's only been
done 60 years. In the 60 years, it has moved close
to a hundred feet.
Skip: that’s fast.
Tia: that is fast. Kind of concerning isn’t it?
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: you could say that this is a brief warm spell
between cold winters.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: but the thing is that in about 1100s there
was a mini Ice Age. Now this could just be another
mini Ice Age that's causing it to move a hundred
feet in 60 years. A hundred feet is an average,
the average distance. It’s been over a hundred
feet that it’s moved but it's still a hundred feet
further ahead than it was. So maybe if there is
global warming, it's going to warm it back up to
how it was 60 years ago.
Skip: uh-huh, break it off yeah, melt it down.
Tia: melt it down which means that the global
warming is going to push it back to where it was
60 years ago.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: but, if it continues to move forward, even a
foot forward, it means it’s still cooling down but
what did they do?
Skip: pah.
Tia: they shut it down.
Skip: yeah.
Tia: they have hard and fact proof. They don't
have projections, they don’t have information that
is man created, human created, they have actual
physical proof that 60 years ago the glacier was
here and now it’s here heading South. That is
physical, natural proof that it is cooling.
Skip: yep.
Tia: but it's total bunk, total bunk. Actual
physical evidence is now considered total bunk.
Now, that does tick me off. Now if you go a stage
further and go down to Antarctica where the ice
shelf has become unstable and you look at the
actual information on why it's become unstable,
it’s not because the sea level is rising…
Skip: because it's going down.
Tia: it's dropped, it's dropped just a little, not
very much not even half an inch, not even a
quarter of an inch, it’s only dropped one eighth
of an inch. Think of the stress that would build
up and cause an ice shelf to break off.
Skip: that's right.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: because ice is heavy.
Tia: uh-huh, very heavy and they start raving
about that being global warming. Now if was global
warming in a cold environment where the warmest
day is -30, the ice still freezes, salt water
still freezes at -30.
Skip: yeah because the temperature pushes the salt
out as it freezes.
Tia: that’s correct so why would a ice shelf
become unstable? Definitely not from global
warming because even at -30 that's irrelevant.
But, what has happened on the driest place on
earth, is the fact that the water's dropped just a
fraction, enough that all the stress on it has
made it crack and break and break off and they're
calling that global warming as well. Now if you
remember, I mentioned that I was doing research on
global warming.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: this is the end product of the research.
Skip: okay.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: so we have now two spots where I can
conclusively prove that global warming......
Skip: is bunk.
Tia: is bunk.
Skip: right.
Tia: one is Granite Bay, that’s up in the Arctic
and the other one is, I think it's Sheperson's Ice
Shelf.
Russ: there's the Ross Ice shelf.
Tia: thank you, Ross Ice Shelf. There's several
that I've been looking at and watching but Ross is
the most well-known of them.
Russ: right.
Tia: so we now have two spots where global warming
has been disproved. I’m about to supply a third.
Skip: and nobody's believing it.
Tia: uh-huh. The third one is a core sample taken
from a glacial in the high Himalayas. Okay, the
core sample shows layers of pollen that had been
taken from this glacier. The level of pollen
deposited in the last 200 years has decreased. Now
pollen levels are synonymous with warm,
comfortable climates, the warmer the climate the
longer the growing season.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: the thinner the level of pollen, the colder,
the wetter, the shorter the growing season. This
core sample shows in the last 200 years a gradual
decline in the warmth and the pollen that's been
laid down with the glaciation.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: point number three. So we now have conclusive
proof that global warming is bunk.
Skip: uh-huh.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: okay, going to bring up another one, back to
Antarctica again. Algae, algae
growth. A little lichen-type growth that grows on
the rocks and under the ice of Antarctica.
Analyzing that in the core samples from that
indicate that it is not growing as rapidly as it
was. Now it grows very, very slowly however, when
it is warm and there is more sunlight, it grows
fairly rapidly, probably a millimeter a year.
That’s very, very slow actually. It has grown less
than that actually which implies.......
Skip: that we're cooling down.
Tia: correct, so we now have four. Do you want me
to go on?
Skip: no, that's enough hon.
Tia: I think I proved the point.
Russ: uh-huh.
Skip: very nice though.
Tia: I have over 30 such incidents.
Russ: wow.
Tia: from bogs, from sand, from all sorts of
places. Research that is freely available on your
planet. Nobody's put them all together and every
time somebody comes close in one particular field
with an answer, pah, it's shut down.
Skip: they don't know what they're talking about
in other words when a story's put out.
Tia: yep. Now, do you want to know why that's
put out?
Skip: hmm?
Tia: one thing. The technology to combat the
supposed global warming, guess what?
Skip: hmm?
Tia: makes a lot of money.
Skip: I'm sure.
Tia: a hell of a lot of money.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: now, I think it’s good that the technology's
being pursued, you want to know why?
Russ: hmm?
Tia: because there is pollution in your planet,
guess what that pollution is doing?
Russ: hmm?
Tia: it's aiding in the global cooling.
Russ: ahh.
Tia: how much time do we have left?
Russ: we're out of time.
Tia: okay, I am finished and the tape should be
almost finished.
Russ: it is.
Tia: uh-huh. So, what conclusion do we have?
THE TAPE ENDS
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