Archivist Notes: This channeling session from the
members of Ashtar Command on Hades Base presents a
couple of firsts. This podcast marks the first time
we had named a planned website Earth Watch and it
was the first time Tia had ever had to take on the
engineer role of watching the monitors that fed back
several images of us down here speaking to them on
the base. Karra had not yet become Ambassador Karra
and the session was missing Kiri who was on Centauri
Base for the ski races. Between just the three
speakers of Omal Karra and Tia, we managed to get a
lot of useful information that will be added to the
Center for Ascension website when it is posted later
this year. In summarizing the major points that were
covered would be Karra's advice on how to increase
the rate of healing through diet and exercise,
Omal's presenting the plans for a new website as
well as helping with getting closure on Atlantis and
Tia's explaining the argument she in with her
computer. As usual, for a channeling session that
took place over twenty years ago the topics covered
are timely for our current times. Those topics set
the tone for an engrossing hour and a quarter of
higher dimensional exchanging of ideas.
Karra is relieving Tia for
this session and Tia is relieving Teene who is the
usual technician for our sessions but isn't feeling
well due to her pregnancy. Karra asks for healing
questions and so we get into a discussion on how
nutrition and exercise play such a vital role in
giving the body's healing ability a boost. She makes
understanding the importance of helping the body
help itself so key to the speed of recovery even
though medical science has confirmed that since this
was taped. Also since this was taped and we find her
discussing ways to simulate meat using nuts, a
number of fast-food restaurants have rolled out
versions of beyond meat that are finding wide
acceptance twenty-years later. We only had a limited
number of healing questions so she steps aside for
the Omal to come on to help us with the other
subjects we had come to discuss. Little did we know
that what he came to discuss was the very reason for
our doing the channeling sessions and webpage. The
topic is polarization and how the widening of the
rift between rich and poor, already wide in the 90s,
was leading to a disconnect between classes. The
information being provided was hoped to bring the
two sides back together which is needed even more so
today. Living in California provides examples in the
news all the times confirming his statements back
then. From there we move on to geology and a crucial
time in Earth's future. After monitoring our planet
for so long, the base had records showing we were
supposed to be going into a cooling phase.
Humanity's effect on the climate changed what should
be our present more so than even the base could
foresee at the time. We end the side discussing
manifestation and how Mark's natural ability had led
him one time to keep a fire extinguisher by the side
of his bed. Omal does clarify manifestation as not
just the ability to create things out of thin air as
he was able to do but also those who could create
something useful or beautiful out of materials at
Side two takes with a question on
coercion coming up and we learn about the coercers
on Sirius such as Kiri. He explains their training
to become who they are as those with such a skill a
held to a higher standard than those without and
must be very disciplined in how they use the skill.
We hear of the problems when coercers go bad and
lose all emotion which prompts Omal to remind Skip
of someone from his past that was such a person.
Finally we get to the end of his time speaking but,
before leaving, he adds his comments onto a
discussion Mark and I had over our disagreement in
Atlantis brought up in last month's podcast. In
hindsight, Omal is able to give a third-party
judgment to the outcome of our role in the decisions
we made. That brings back Karra who asks for
questions to fill time between speakers. The subject
is Ashtar Command and the way medical research is
handled which she does know the answer to as well
the procedure that would take place were we to ask a
question she didn't have access to the answer. All
this was when her boss on the base was still Kornas
and it is a nice look behind the curtain so to speak
of how healing questions are handled. Tia leaves the
monitors she had been watching to trade places with
Karra by stepping in the pyramid at Mark, Kiri and
Tia's apartment where the channeling was taking
place. A new computer had been bought to replace an
Amiga so that Tia and Kiri could have live online
channeling sessions. Our discussions on upgrading
the Amiga to give us a second computer on the web
led to Tia giving us a description of her computer
on the base. Her descriptions of her interactions
with her computer showed it was the kind of computer
out of our science fiction. Any number of movies
have depicted a computer that can think for itself
but this would be best be demonstrated by the
independent robots of the movie "Interstellar". We
finish out the session in a follow-up to the new
website to be created which would be used to report
on the events only on planetary news as opposed to
the interplanetary kind.
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(Karra takes on the role of
ring mistress. Tia is the acting technician since
Teene was not feeling well)
Karra: but Tia is much more
in control of her needs that I am.
Karra: she is able to manipulate everybody
to the right point and she keeps a very
close eye on the time and the control of
John: as far as coercion……
John: who has a better handle on that? Tia
Karra: neither of us, Kiri is the coercer.
Karra: but she is too boisterous to be a
ring mistress that she’s too in control.
(we hear things being moved in the
Karra: what are you doing?
John: he’s changing a light bulb.
Russ: changing the light bulb fixture.
Russ: light bulb burnt out.
(the new bulb gets screwed in with blinding
Karra: ahhh, don’t want to damage the
retinas on Mark’s eyes.
Russ: (talking to John) you want to put that
back up there?
Karra: I’m pulling your leg Russ.
Russ: I know.
Karra: okay do we have a…..?
Karra: is the recording device operational?
John: yes, the recording device and we have
Karra: ahh, let there be light.
Russ: and there was.
Karra: and there was and I saw that it was
good. Do you know God was a woman?
John: I’ve always perceived her as a woman.
Karra: uh-huh, well God would have to be a
woman to create men, got to have a sense of
Skip: that’s not what I understood.
John: what do you think Skip?
Karra: I’m not getting into theology, that’s
Tia’s department. I’m just having fun with
Skip: there’s no gender for God.
John: right, it’s neither male or female.
Skip: because he was kind of stumbling
around when he created man but when he
created woman he was a master machinist.
(that evokes a few laughs)
John: with my dad being a diesel mechanic I
can respect that what you just said.
Karra: Kiri would love that comment.
Skip: ahh we’ll get to her one of these
Karra: yes, well she is as I said
participating in a major ski event.
Skip: well that’s what I understood.
Skip: how is she doing? Or you don’t know?
Karra: we don’t know yet, we should be
getting a live…..well, it’s tape delayed,
six hours delayed because of the dimensional
shift from sixth to where we are in fifth
and also the distance from Centauri base to
Karra: from Sirius to here it's a much
quicker link, a two-hour delay.
John: okay, did they arrive safely?
Karra: oh yes.
John: with a full complement?
Karra: yes,everybody showed up.
Russ: lucky Katrina was driving.
Karra: yes, I think the best way to describe
Katrina driving a shuttle is like giving a
Hells Angel a Rolls-Royce to drive. Would
that be a correct analogy Russ that giving
Katrina a shuttle to drive is like giving a
Hells Angel a Rolls-Royce?
Russ: oh absolutely.
Karra: yes, she is a bit of a hellion. She
is in actual fact a what you would call a
fighter pilot? She’s real mean behind the
John: but she did get to shuttle.
Karra: uh-huh, that’s the first time that
she’s had to fly in a year.
John: oh okay. So let's see, what kind of
serious questions should we ask you?
Karra: healing, after all I am a healer.
John: I’ve noticed with skiing…
John: and working very hard, I’m having some
pain in my knees.
John: and I think it’s mostly muscle…..
Karra: what is happening…..
John: I don’t think I hurt myself.
Karra: no, normally what happens is that
when you work muscles that haven't been
worked hard for a long time, what you’re
doing is stretching the muscles and making
them create new pathways for the blood to
flow into so that the muscles can grow. And
growing is quite a painful experience, ask
the youngest member here about his growing
pains that he has (Shane).
John: yeah, I remember, I’m not that old.
Karra: but it is the same when you work
muscles, that you create new tissue and the
pathways are pumping in so that the areas
are a little bit sensitive to touch to start
off with. The more you work them, the
stronger they become and the quicker they
grow. However the quicker they grow, the
more painful they are.
John: okay so the body pain is just from
skiing hard and working hard, am I correct?
Karra: is it a dull pain or a sharp,
John: no, no, no, I know the difference….
John: and no, it’s nothing chronic.
John: it’s a dull, growing kind of pain.
Karra: yeah and that’s what it is, is that
the muscles are growing and when you ski
you’re using different muscles so by using
the different muscles, you're strengthening
the muscles that are useful for skiing and
they enlarge and they get painful as they
enlarge. But it's good in the long run as it
makes the bones around the muscles stronger
also. For example, if you take one of your
people that throw balls in the bat thing……
Karra: yes and you were to take a slice out
of their arm, say here right? And a slice
out of……..is this the arm that they use?
John: well it depends, they use one or the
other and some challenging people use both.
Karra: any one, the throwing arm okay?
Karra: you take a slice out of a
non-throwing arm and a slice out of a
throwing arm. Now if you were to compare the
bone, the bone from the non-throwing arm
would be thinner than the arm that is used
for throwing. And this can be used for later
age to live prevent osteoporosis which I
don’t think anybody needs to worry about but
for future reference.
John: but you’re saying that an athlete
will......the bone structure in a limb will
Karra: that is correct.
John: with an athlete that uses that arm.
Karra: yes, you have to use it continuously
when you get into older age. For example, if
you’re concerned about thinning of the
bones, by exercising, walking, running,
whatever, it does increase the strength of
the bones. It’s also something that can be
used to combat arthritis is by exercising
the bones and the muscle, you get the
necessary strength to continue to be able to
use your fingers, your arms, your legs,
whatever part is suffering from arthritis.
So by exercising the whole entire body, you
exercise the whole entire bone structure and
in turn you have a fitter body that is
John: very informative.
Karra: oh thank you.
John: now I’m coming up with a list and
we’ve compiled some lists as far as when we
get more into some serious survival mode
which we're planning for. Since you're a
healer and I’m into first aid and I happen
to be a chef, I'm into food and I'm into
healing okay? Will you be able to help me
with some menu planning?
Karra: certainly, what you need is high
proteins. If you are a semi-vegetarian or a
John: I want to be able to……..excuse me,
John: I want to be able to cook a
nutritional, vegetarian diet and be able to
supplement it with meat for people who eat
Karra: oh-huh, I'm getting to that. Okay,
now whether you are a meat eater or a
non-meat eater, everybody needs proteins and
it doesn’t matter if you dislike one type of
meat or another type of meat. What you can
use as a supplement to meat is nuts. Now
there are a vast variety of nuts. You can
grind them up together and by making them
into a paste you can almost simulate meat,
not quite but close enough. You can also use
mushrooms, again with the nuts which will
give you a high-protein. So in a situation
where you collect nuts, you are basically
harvesting meat in a different form. In fact
in fact I believe some of your races call
the nut a meat or the meat of the nut.
John: yes, yes, that is the correct
Karra: yes, so in essence it is just as
high-protein as meat.
John: so for example, and I’ve done this
John: if I did a hazelnut crusted salmon…..
John: you’re looking at a very nutritional,
well-balanced, high-protein dish.
Karra: yes, very healthy.
John: and Russ would eat it.
Karra: oh certainly.
John: I’d like to invite everyone over, Russ
is buying and we're going to have hazelnut
Karra: oh thank you.
John: or we can do cashew or pecan, any kind
Karra: I will hold up a UFO and be right
Karra: okay anyway, let’s get back to the
Karra: okay now, by using correct proteins,
you can heal the body in an accelerated
method with activity. Physiotherapy is an
example. If you eat certain high-protein
foods such as salmon or nuts, you can speed
up the healing process because you’re
getting a high-protein diet into a body and
the body absorbs the protein and helps it to
repair itself. So by using high-protein, it
dovetails nicely with healing because if you
eat a well-balanced meal, your chances of
catching ailments is decreased and the
body's repair system is increased.
John: excellent. So my question was
appropriate, whether we’re in a survival
situation or not…..
John: nutrition and eating good and exercise
are important no matter what.
Karra: that is correct. Okay, any more
questions on healing?
John: I don’t, Russ has got some, I don’t
want to hog his.
Russ: I don't have anything on healing, go
Russ: I’ll just ask her directly if needed.
Karra: thank you. Lady, gentleman?
John: well I mean I feel kind of selfish, I
got an awful lot of information or we got an
awful lot of information out of you I don’t
want to hog the conversation.
Karra: well as ring mistress I will be back
so think of questions and I shall answer in
between the upcoming schedule of two people
sitting politely and quietly just outside
the pyramid up here. Yes, it is from the
Russ: oh good.
Karra: but all the participants of the
entertainment normal are far away except for
one and myself of course.
Russ: of course.
Karra: sorry, I couldn't hear you.
Russ: I said of course.
Karra: well I’m just thinking of the
recording device. Tia is saying that, "Russ
has to talk louder, it’s barely registering
on the monitor that she's watching.
Russ: oh, I'm a little far away....
John: so Tia is monitoring this?
Karra: yes, she is sitting at the foot of
the pyramid with Teene's monitoring device
as Teene is not feeling well at the moment.
John: is she jealous because you do such a
(they both chuckle)
Karra: no. Okay, I will now put on the next
John: okay, we’ll talk to you later.
Karra: okay bye.
comes on for what's left of the side)
Omal: greetings and felicitations everyone.
Greetings Skip, greetings Judy, greetings
Johnny, greetings you old bum.
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: is this Omal?
Omal: that is correct, it is I.
Russ: he also calls me the old bum.
John: how are you doing Omal?
Omal: I am functioning within specified
John: and how is things on Hades Base and
Omal: on Hades Base at the moment it is very
John: how about Earth?
Omal: ahh yes, Earth. Now I had an
interesting discussion yesterday with one of
my staff officers as you might call them
that is in charge of collecting data on
Omal: and she is having time off at the
moment for obvious reasons but we were
John: okay, excuse me.
Omal: we were discussing computers and usage
of computers in your society.
Omal: and I will wait for Russ before I
continue with my dissertation as this
pertains particularly to him and his new
toy. In the meantime we will talk amongst
ourselves about other things as I do not
wish to have to repeat myself. Do you have a
Skip: nope, I don’t think so.
Judy: no dear.
John: yeah, as far as the survival mode
we're in, the more I weigh it out in my
mind, there's no way we could possibly go
wrong. If society doesn’t deteriorate the
way we think it’s going to…..
John: we’re going to be eating good food and
being really well-equipped for camping and
hunting and having fun.
Omal: yes it benefits you both ways for the
upcoming possibilities. It gives you
numerous avenues to pursue. Now that Russ is
back let me continue with my dissertation on
computers, computer nets and websites.
Omal: okay, Tia and myself discussed the
possibility of creating an informational
system on a computer pertaining to the
upcoming instability and she has my full
blessing in going ahead and helping to
create this website. Now the areas that it
would cover would be political unrest on a
worldwide level, political instability on a
national scale, it would also cover
financial instability on a national scale,
international scale and local scale because
each area suffers from mini depressions. The
instability in California in the mid-80s was
not reflected on a larger scale externally
so it is necessary to look at localized
instability in the markets. That would be
also on the website. Other information on
the website would be such factors as the
effects of storms on crop areas, the effects
of earthquakes on areas, the effects of
population on an area. Also.....
Russ: how about legal decisions?
Omal: yes, legal decisions. Also on the web
would be information concerning the growth
in population, social behavior, moral
behavior, the actions and words of political
leaders, how trustworthy are the political
leaders, how they are behaving and are they
keeping to their promises. Everybody knows
that politicians do not do keep to their
promises so it is necessary to remind people
to do so. This gives a wide area to give
information and to save pain-and-suffering
on the keyboard operator’s wrist, I would
think that updating it every other day would
be sufficient. Do you feel the same way
Russ: I was thinking once a week.
Omal: if that is what you are happy with but
as the crisis approaches, I think every
other day would be better but in the
meantime to start off with as a compromise
yes, once every four days. Does that sound
okay with you?
Omal: okay and that ends my brief
dissertation on Tia’s website. I believe you
discussed a name with Mark?
Russ: yeah it was......
Omal: Earth watch?
Russ: Earth watch, right.
Skip: question, are you going to hook this
into Internet or......?
Skip: okay, then when I get my computer I
can hook in with you?
Omal: okay, let us move on, questions.
Russ: you go-ahead you guys, I’m going to
get some tea real quick. You guys want some
Skip: no thank you.
John: yeah, I’d love a cup.
Russ: I'll be back, want me to put some
sugar in it?
John: no, no, just black, you know how I
like it, hot and black.
Omal: okay, let us continue.
Skip: do you want to continue on the same
subject or do……?
Omal: if you wish.
Skip: go ahead John.
John: well, I had two questions, I was going
to stay on the same subject but I’ve got
another subject that I’m curious about and I
know you have information about.
Omal: okay, let us deal with one subject at
a time. Okay, let us continue on the subject
that we are on at the moment and write down
your questions so you won't forget them and
we will proceed….
John: well I got them locked in my mind.
John: okay, as far as this computer net,
will my family……?
Omal: be able to access the information?
John: and my friends in Sedona who are
moving to Idaho also?
Omal: yes, if they have a computer terminal
and have access to the Internet they would
be able to do so. In fact if they were in
Japan and they have a computer that they are
hooked into the international information
service on the computer….
Russ: and know English.
Omal: and they know English, they would be
able to access any point in your whole
John: okay, well it’s very important if you
know what I mean that the other people I
care about who can access this information
because I've got some associates around the
John: that aren't directly here.
Omal: but they would be able to access the
information or any information on any
subject that is on the Internet. They can
even talk to you on the computer. Okay, next
John: Judy had to use the restroom. When
Russ walked down she walked out.
Omal: yes, we do not have any monitors apart
from the ones that Tia is watching at the
moment and she’s looking very serious.
Russ: where’s Teene?
Omal: Teene is not feeling very well this
Russ: I’m sorry to hear that.
Omal: I understand it is something that
comes with being pregnant.
John: would it be comparable to morning
sickness in our dimension?
Omal: in any dimension.
(that gets the group chuckling)
John: that’s nice to know.
Omal: however on the eighth, ninth and 10th
dimensions, I don’t believe they have
Russ: they self-heal?
Omal: yes. Okay......I know on the seventh
dimensions that we do.
Russ: okay, I have some questions about
learning a bit more about Ashtar Command.
Russ: even though we’ve been working on it
for so long, now I'm downloading information
about Ashtar Command….
Russ: that we haven’t presently covered in
Saturdays before this.
Omal: uh-huh, such as?
Russ: well first off of the information I’m
getting, I want to establish the credibility
of the person I'm getting it from first.
Russ: and this is coming from Commander Lady
Athena through Ashtar-Athena.
Omal: I believe that is a branch……
Omal: you could say a branch office?
Russ: well I knew it wasn't Hades Base but I wanted to
make sure it operating off maybe one of the
city ships or something.
Omal: I believe it is from one of our city
ships. There are so many that come and go
that it is hard to keep track sometimes.
Russ: okay. Well this is entitled "Ashtar
Command, Our Mission, Purpose, and
Russ: and some of things they’re talking
about we already knew about. Other things,
for example such as they speak on helping
humanity in the current cycle of planetary
cooling and polar realignment. Now we've
discussed the issue of polar realignment in
Russ: and we established that that isn't
something that we'll have to deal with in
our near future much less our far future so
I wanted to get a little more clearer about
what this is in reference to.
John: would you like some water Omal?
Omal: that might be useful, there appears to
be a frog in the throat?
John: yes, yes.
Omal: okay but in the meantime let me……a
polar realignment…..have you ever heard of
Russ: polarization, I know it with
sunglasses, I don’t know what it means…
Omal: in a society you can have
Russ: oh that’s right, that’s right.
Omal: for example, you have the poor and the
rich and the rich get richer and the poor
get poorer. That is a very easy and simple
version of polarization. So the reference…..
John: there you go.
Omal: thank you, I thought you might need
John: I need it.
Russ: Calvin's trying to take your spot.
(one of the house cats in the room)
Omal: greetings feline, bye feline. Okay, so
a polarization is a reference that has been
mistaken, or the possibility of it being
mistaken, that things in an economic
situation such as the possibility of the
crisis upcoming could be a good example of
polarization. You have the rich and the
wealthy being able to hire people to protect
them and therefore maintain their lands and
maintain their style of living by paying
people to protect them.
Russ: I see, so is it actually more or less
like rich and poor coming more closer
together or being farther apart?
Omal: further apart but one of our aims by
giving the information that we’ve been
giving is to realign that polarization so it
is not as acute as it could be. If you
travel around your country, you will notice
that there are more poor people than there
Omal: this is because of two reasons. There
are more people is one reason and the second
reason is that the poor stay poor because
they feel oppressed and, "why should we work
when the government will give us handouts?"
Russ: also there's something else in our
current situation the fact that more people
are going to a two job income. Either both
people in the family are getting an income
or one person in the family working two
Russ: or possibly both people in the family
working two jobs. Now does this cut out more
jobs for more people doing this whereas it
used to be just one job for one person so
everybody pretty much had more jobs
Omal: it cuts people out of the workforce by
people working two jobs for the simple
reason that they're taking two people’s jobs
which means that the people looking for work
are prepared to take less money to fill that
John: yeah, like with our immigrants….
John: I mean some of my best friends are
Latinos but two of them will do my job for
less than what they should pay me for one
Omal: that is correct.
John: they can pay two of them for one hour.
Omal: that is correct and those individuals
will frequently work long hours or two jobs.
John: is working two
jobs……for me I just moved here, I had a
really good job…..
John: and I moved here and it seems like
working two jobs to make ends meet is
essential. Is that unique to just Lake Tahoe
or is that going to be a……?
Omal: I think it is not unique to Lake
Tahoe, I think the reason why that occurs in
particular areas.......for example, what is
this area? It is a destination resort with
seasonal employment in two types of trades.
You have the ski industry and the beach
industry and most people in your area will
flip-flop from one to the other. Because it
is a transient area, people coming and going
all the time, it means that they don’t have
to pay as much as a stable area for example
the beaches of Southern California that are
used by people for recreation most of the
year. And those periods of time where
they’re not used, it is where they do the
repair work and the reconstruction work and
new construction work. Which means that
there is a steady flow of income by people
coming into the area to relax and unwind,
they are paying a passable amount of their
money to the people that are relaxing or
being entertained in the beach environment.
Omal: you yourself being from a beach
environment Russ understand that very well,
the fact that it is a higher standard of
living in that area.
Russ: absolutely, we can't afford it.
Omal: so they have to pay more money for
people to work in that area who can afford
it. So the prices are more expensive for the
people that come to visit the area.
Omal: because it is ten months out of the
year, it is a steadier income and it is not
necessary in that area to work two jobs
whereas an area where there is a downtime of
approximately four months, two months
between each season, on either side of each
season, it means that a third of the year is
Russ: hmmm, I see.
Omal: that there is very little income
coming into the area so ergo, the standard
of living has to be lower and people have to
work two jobs to survive because of the
expense of bringing food into a mountain
Omal: okay, next question.
Russ: go ahead guys, I got a bunch, I could
be here all night asking.
John: can I shoot one in here?
Russ: oh yeah, fire away.
John: all right, I'm real curious about
earthquake and volcanic activity.
Omal: yes they are related.
John: okay oh yes, okay but I’m interested
in them and their increased activity on this
planet right now and in the very near
Omal: there are certain cycles that your
planet goes through, it is a heating and
cooling process which on its own will create
earthquakes. As the planet heats up, the
crust expands and as it expands, there are
fractures and tears that are created that
give earthquakes. As it cools, again the
same process happens but in reverse. The
crust shrinks, which means that things are
getting tight together which creates energy
and creates activity. Volcanic activity
works in the same principle. That as the
crust expands, the cracks need to be filled
and lava fills those cracks and sometimes it
comes to the surface as it cools. The cracks
that are filled with lava are squeezed
together and they become active and it
happens on a cycle. You’ll reach the end of
a cycle where activity is minimal and as it
goes back into another cycle from a heating
process to a cooling process, the volcanic
activity will increase until it reaches a
point where it is at its maximum and then it
will decrease as it sits and waits to be
reheated. And as it reheats, again there is
an increase and then there is a period of
time where it sits where it is warm and then
it cools down and so on. The process takes
anywhere from a few hundred years to a few
thousand years but is it a cycle that has
being repeated many times in your planet’s
history and will be repeated many times
John: all right now that confirms, I mean
what your modern quote unquote, modern
geologist would say okay? My question is, I
didn't ask it correctly, I wanted to know
what stage we're at. I’m thinking that we’re
going to get increased volcanic and
earthquake activity which also causes
avalanches and tidal waves, am I correct?
John: are we in a cycle where that activity
is going to be increased?
Omal: that is the way that it appears at the
moment and it appears to us that you are in
actual fact in a cooling stage. The
temperature of your planet in the last
hundred years has dropped approximately
0.5°. That may not seem like much to you but
in actual fact is quite a lot in a hundred
years. So to me it seems that you are in a
John: which with what you said will increase
volcanic an earthquake activity….
John: which naturally increases avalanche
and tidal waves.
Omal: and so on.
John: and yeah, okay.
Skip: then that confirms what has been put
out here just recently that that the Ring of
Fire is becoming active again.
Omal: correct, you have many examples, in
fact you can almost pinpoint where the cycle
starts to get most active. If you take an
eruption I believe in 1885 of Mount
Omal: which was one of the most largest or
largest recorded volcanic explosions in
approximately 3,000 years. If you look at
that you could say that is the start of the
current cycle but there have been many
volcanoes erupting within the Ring of Fire.
There is the activities on the island of
Hawaii, there is activities off the islands
of Hawaii. There is activity at Mount
John: how about South America?
Omal: there has been much activity in South
America, even recently.
Omal: so therefore you can say that yes,
there is activity occurring which indicates
that there is a cycle in progress, you are
not in the waiting period in between. The
thing to look at is the temperatures in
randomly picked areas. For example, if you
take the temperature at the North Pole and
the South Pole over a hundred years which
unfortunately is impossible, you would be
able to see that the temperature is in
actual fact decreased. Not very much as I
said but it has decreased. Now when a
cooling cycle occurs, there becomes an
increase in activity in rainfall. And
rainfall in a cooling environment creates
more snow but there can be mini periods in
between or during a cycle where things
actually warm up and you have mini droughts.
Again you can have areas where there are
mini ice ages. I believe you could say that
you're almost in one now.
John: are we approaching an ice age?
Russ: no, he's joking about the weather.
Omal: sorry, it is very dry sometimes.
John: what, your sense of humor?
John: or the snow?
Omal: my sense of humor.
John: snow is too, ideally.
Omal: ideally yes I believe so, you’d have
to talk to our ski experts but they are
unavailable at this time for comment.
John: you don’t ski yourself do you?
Omal: I haven’t skied in many thousands of
years, I do not have the time anymore.
Whereas you complain of working seven days
straight, I complain when I work seven years
straight. But let me get back to cooling of
the planet. Mini ice ages can last anywhere
from 20 years to a hundred years and a mini
Ice Age is not necessarily huge sheets of
ice descending over the planet’s surface. In
actual fact it could be a period of time
where snow activity is two, three, or even
400% and further South than it has been in
20, 30, or 40 years.
John: are we in that situation right now?
Omal: there is that possibility that you are
but it is too early to tell at this time.
John: and that could lead to an economic
things and natural disasters, the
combination could really snowball on itself
so to speak.
Omal: that is correct, that would be
something very important to have in your
website is weather activity Russ.
Omal: but again I will leave that to Tia to
Omal: okay, any more questions? Skip?
Skip: not on the same subject okay?
Russ: pick a different subject.
Skip: you made a comment one time…..
Skip: that I’m not only a healer but I'm a
Skip: can you elaborate on that please?
Omal: a manifestor is having an ability to
create things…..hold up your wrist. What do
you have on your wrist?
Skip: a wristwatch and a copper bracelet.
Omal: who made that copper bracelet?
Skip: I did.
Omal: that is one sign of a manifestor, to
create. To manifest doesn’t necessarily mean
to create out of thin air.
Skip: okay, all right. That kind of…….
Omal: but it is a step to creating out of
thin air. Mark is a manifestor…
Omal: does he show any signs of manifesting?
Skip: he’s building his airplanes.
Omal: uh-huh and writing his poetry and from
time to time setting fire to the wings of
his aircraft by thinking about it. Do not
Skip: I’m not laughing.
Omal: Russ is.
Skip: I didn’t realize he was doing that.
Omal: well from time to time he does burn
things unintentionally. He used to I believe
sleep with a fire extinguisher next to his
bed. A lot of good that would’ve done if he
had manifested fire in his sleep and burned
down the wall.
John: Mark slept with a fire extinguisher
next to his bed, is that what you’re saying?
Omal: that is correct.
John: okay, not Russ out of fear of Mark’s
Russ: we did put smoke alarms in though.
John: but it was Mark who slept next to a
John: in case he woke up in flames?
Omal: or woke up with something burning at
John: has that happened to Mark?
Omal: not that I’m aware of. It seems that
it is the ability to create something out of
nothing is there within Mark but it is, to
use a very fitting expression, the flames of
manifesting haven’t been found to create
things out of thin air but there have been
plans to create things on paper or by wood.
John: now would you say that Mark’s ability
to astral travel and channel have helped him
to control this ability naturally? Is that
Omal: in a strange sort away yes, Mark is
more focused on his astral travel which
means that he has less energy for other
pursuits. The only other pursuit that he
uses on a daily basis is his coercive
John: can I ask you questions about
Omal: certainly as our resident coercer is
absent this evening, you may.
John: can you use coercion with animals and
Omal: machines, they do not have a mind to
think with but animals most certainly.
John: like an attacking dog.....
John: you can definitely coerce them out of
running the other way.
Omal: correct. If you look at the felines
around the house, I am sure that Kiri
(Omal again answers questions
as the side starts)
John: coercion from my very limited, young
metaphysical standpoint, is coercion something
that you can easily do……easier to do with animals
or with people?
Omal: animals, it depends on their instinctual
level. People, it can be harder but it can also be
easier. There are people that are very weak-willed
that you can manipulate and twist without even
thinking about it just by using your voice and
words alone. Those people are the easiest to
manipulate. It is like animals that are very….
Omal: yes weak, that was not the word that I was
looking for but it is well-suited, that is able to
be manipulated like as Kiri would say a puppet on
a string. A strong coercer will not use his voice
or her voice, they will use their mind.
John: okay, I can use my voice…..
John: and get results but I haven’t been able to
use my mind totally because I don’t think I’m
Omal: it is something that they are very
disciplined on. On Sirius, coercers are set aside
and they become very disciplined individuals.
Frequently after they have finished their coercive
education they will become disciplined rebels
would be a good way to describe them. They become
very rebellious and boisterous in nature but about
their coercive ability they are very protective
and disciplined. They will not readily use their
coercive ability as they know what can happen if
they abuse it.
John: so if I understand you correctly, you need
discipline to do coercion correctly….
John: and then once you’ve mastered coercion, you
need discipline to maintain your mastery.
Omal: correct and to avoid abusing it. If you
abuse it, it feeds back on itself and you become
somebody that has no emotions, and I do not mean
the appearance of no emotions, I mean no emotions.
No remorse, no pain, no guilt, nothing that would
keep you on a moral balance. Sometimes this
happens to individuals that have a high, natural
coercive ability, they become devoid of emotions
because they know that they can use their ability
to get whatever they wish, from whomever they wish
without having to work for it. So therefore they
suffer as the people that they and use and abuse
suffer and the fact that they have no satisfaction
in anything that they do. They are inside empty. I
believe you know somebody like that Skip or knew
somebody like that.
Skip: yes I did.
Omal: okay, next question.
John: oh I’m tapped out, I mean I’ve hogged most
of this, I apologize to everybody.
Omal: yes, you’re welcome Johnny. Yes I know that
was deliberate but that, sorry Johnny, was an
example of coercion.
Skip: you hit awful close to home there young man.
Omal: once again, thank you for the comment on
young man and.....
Skip: it’s a figure of speech with me.....
Skip: I do mean the compliment, that's not.......
Omal: oh I take it as a compliment.
Skip: but you touched awful close to home.
Omal: yes, it is been many millennia since I have
been called young man and I thank you for that.
Okay, last question from.........
Skip: in other words the comments that you just
put out, the information you just put out, the
person that does not have to work to get anything
that they want from another person, then their
emotions die within them.
Skip: will this continue to happen?
Omal: yes. I believe in the situation that you are
referring to, the individual has been nudged down
the road even further but that is a karmic thing
that is a path that must be walked. It is two
karmic paths, one of keeping an oath and the other
one is repaying a debt of being too emotional in
Skip: hmm, okay.
Omal: the question is, can the oath be kept and
can the cycle be stopped of being too emotional
one life and being too mean-spirited and deceitful
in another life.
Skip: yeah, I don’t know, that'd be hard to say. I
don’t have the ability to say okay? Let's put it
Omal: let us hope that the oath keeper keeps his
oath and the person that has no emotions learns
that it is necessary to learn how to control
Omal: Judy, you have a question?
Omal: okay, Russ?
Russ: yes Omal, you get a report about a
conversation that Mark and I had about Maxxus and
(Ed. note: these were the names of Mark and myself
when we were brothers in a past life on Atlantis)
Omal: it could be on my desk under a pile of
paperwork. Well let me put that correctly, it
could be on my desk under a pile of discs.
Russ: okay, Mark and I had a conversation
concerning our association back in Atlantis.......
Russ: and at the time we finally had a little bit
of a discussion on whether I was right in my
assertion at the time that we proceed at a
different pace than Mark was. And we finally came
to the agreement that our race at the time was too
new to deal with any sort of ascension of what we
were actually planning to do so theoretically I
was correct in my taking it to where it went.
Theoretically, what do you think?
Omal: I think that you are both correct and both
incorrect and I will elaborate. Your perception
that your race was not ready is correct in the
fact of what occurred later on as an example. Mark
was correct in his stance by the fact that they
were the seed, were there and if they had
continued on that path, the possibility was there
for a more rapid rise to a different level of
existence. However, the disease was already
spreading so it was something that if a small
faction had wandered off by itself and found a new
home, they might have made it but there again they
might not have made it because they might of
brought the seeds with them. You were both wrong
in the fact that accelerated manipulation of a
species is a avenue that goes through the
development and rise of any species. Again Maxxus
was wrong in the fact that by being narrow-minded
and keeping a race pure, it did not dilute the
seeds of destruction.
Russ: uh-huh, thank you.
Omal: you’re welcome.
John: can I ask one quick question here? You refer
to Mark as Maxxus?
John: is that how........
Russ: past life.
John: okay, well I wasn’t sure whether that was…
Omal: are you prepared to pay the price for the
one last question?
John: no, I’m going to shut up real quick.
Omal: Russ, what is the price for one last
Russ: 25 push-ups.
John: oh man, I don’t know if I can do 25
push-ups. I don’t know if you can coerce me into
Russ: Omal did it, he did 25 for me.
Omal: and I clapped......
Russ: and he clapped.
Omal: in between each one.
John: you don’t really want me to do 25 push-ups
Omal: do you want to ask the question?
Russ: farewell Omal.
John: thank you.
Omal: for you Trek fans, live long and prosper.
Skip: good night Sir
(Karra answers questions
before changing over to the usual ring mistress)
Karra: that is.....I will write it down.
Russ: hi Karra.
John: hi Karra.
Karra: I think that’s funny actually.
John: I think it’s funny too.
Karra: okay, any questions for me?
John: no, I’m too scared ask any more questions, I
don’t want to do 50 push-ups.
Karra: no, it’s only Omal’s joke. Hello.
Karra: that is Omal’s joke between Russ and
everybody else that wishes to ask a question after
last questions have been called.
John: I won't make that mistake again.
Russ: by the way, Karra…..
Russ: who does the healing, engineering and
research and development within Ashtar Command? Is
it a certain group or is it individual healers
such as Kornas?
Karra: it is......you have individual groups that
are brought together by the leaders of each groups
so that they are independent but yet they work
Russ: so information is networked out like our
Karra: correct but it is much more advanced and
sophisticated than your Internet.
Russ: still, our Internet is sort of a copy of
what you already had going long ago.
Karra: yes but our Internet, the power source and
the transmitter and receiver are…
Russ: what? Free.
Karra: we have our own Internet.
Russ: excellent, thank you love.
John: so any questions about healing that you
don’t know or have access to you can find out for
us right away?
Karra: oh, I thought you were saying that I didn’t
John: that we don’t know.
Karra: not immediately, I would have to ask Kornas
who is my boss and he would ask somebody else and
he would get back to me. It depends on what he’s
doing. For example, if let’s say he’s in his
laboratory and he is doing some gene splicing, he
might say, "ask me again later" or as your
computer might say, "sorry, line's busy buddy".
John: now is it, I mean could we come up with a
healing question that you couldn’t handle where
you needed to ask advice or is that…..I mean are
you snickering at that being a possibility that we
would come up with a……?
Karra: I’m snickering at myself that it could be a
possibility. There are questions that I do not
know the answers to and I will say, "ask me next
week" and I would go and ask Kornas and he will
say, "go and ask one of the other people that I
John: but as a general rule you would know the
question, the answer to our questions….?
Karra: if it was in my field yes.
Karra: it wasn't in my field then I would have to
ask. I for example am not a geneticist. I deal
mainly with ailments and healing with bones. You
might say I am a general practitioner.
John: well that would be the kind of questions
that we would be inquiring with you....
Karra: that is correct.
John: right? I mean we're not going to go start
Karra: no, it is not my cup of tea, it is too
reminiscent of things of the past.
John: yeah, yeah I think at the time we're going
to be more worried about mending a broken bone and
buying a dozen eggs.
Karra: yes, instead of trying to figure out how to
create the chicken that can lay bigger eggs more
frequently that are tastier.
John: yeah, yeah skip that.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, any more questions? No? Okay,
I’m going to put on our technician.
(Tia leaves her monitors and
takes her place in the pyramid)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
John: how you doing?
Tia: I’m doing fine.
Russ: hi love.
Tia: hello. Where did I go wrong the other night?
Russ: I don’t know.
Russ: I don’t know what you did the previous
Tia: I didn’t do anything the previous night.
Russ: no, you got all the information and
Tia: oh. No, no, no, I was referring to talking to
people that nobody was talking to me.
John: oh no, that wasn’t you, if I'm thinking
about the same session. No? okay.
Russ: no, I think it was just people being
Tia: oh, new kid on the block huh?
Russ: yeah, new kid on the block.
Tia: yeah but Kiri was the new kid on the block
and everybody wanted to talk to her.
Russ: Kiri has that effect on people.
Tia: hmm, even on the Internet?
Tia: yes, I’m going to try again on Saturday
night, is that okay with you?
Russ: sure, it's fine with me.
Skip: so how you doing tonight young lady?
Tia: I’m doing fine, slip me some skin.
Skip I'll slip you some.
(Skip begins to chuckle)
Tia: oh, backhand huh?
Skip: be nice.
Skip: we’re going to have to get down the hill.
Tia: oh you are?
Skip: yeah, that young man’s got to go to school
in the morning.
Tia: oh you’re going to school huh?
Judy: you’re being talked to.
Tia: uh-huh, what are you studying, what do you
want to be? You want to be an artist don’t you if
my memory serves me right?
Shane: I don’t know.
Tia: you've got time but whatever you decide
remember, the most important thing is to enjoy it,
because if you enjoy it you're more productive.
Skip: been nice talking to you young lady, we're
going to have to go.
Tia: okay, I’ll see you later.
Skip: you have a good one.
Tia: you too
Judy: take care of yourself.
Tia: I will.......
Russ: later guys.
Tia: take care, bye.
Judy: bye bye.
Skip: so long Russ.
John: thanks for coming. Be careful driving home
Tia: what time is it on the chronometer? It's a
quarter after the one zero number.
Russ: no, quarter after nine.
John: no well that's fast, it’s like five after
Tia: of course, of course, you guys started just
before eight didn’t you?
Tia: uh-huh okay, now back to computers okay. Now
by..........your computer up there, could that
link into the Internet?
Tia: why not?
Russ: different languages.
Tia: are you absolutely sure?
Russ: I can look into it.
Tia: yeah, because I'm pretty sure that that type
of computer, Commodore, is very popular in Europe.
Tia: ergo if that type of computer is being used
in Europe, and there are people on Internet from
Europe, they should be compatible there. The
network, there should be a common language.
Russ: yeah theoretically, I'd have to look it up.
Tia: uh-huh, doesn't Mark have a friend that's
Russ: Amiga's, sure, one of his hairdressing
Tia: hmm, get Mark to give him a call next day
Tia: in fact, tell Mark he needs a haircut and to
schedule himself for an appointment.....
Russ: fair enough.
Tia: that way he can kill two birds with one
Russ: what are the costs associated with
Tia: to upgrade it?
Russ: upgrade it, put a new phone line in....
Tia: hmmm, I'm sure that something can be worked
Russ: okay, we'll see.
Tia: so, that would be one avenue to pursue is
looking into making the computer there compatible
to the Internet.
Russ: well I would assume that if you got a
upgrade on our computer up there and got an
emulator that could translate from Amiga language
Russ: you could do it.
Russ: but see everyone is speaking in DOS…..
Russ: and that computer only understands Amiga.
Russ: and the two just don’t mix.
Tia: so you get emulator so it can use……what does
DOS stand for?
Russ: it stands for data organizational system.
(Ed note: it actually stands for disk operating
Tia: oh okay, so use the data organizational
system and emulator and you have a increase in
memory capacity, you would want something like
Russ: 1.2 gig.
Tia: yeah I was actually thinking maybe two gigs.
Russ: that’s real expensive.....
Russ: real expensive.
Tia: but two gigs would give ample information
storage capacity with the emulator and it would
also give it the speed necessary for a more rapid
and improved accessibility.
Tia: and also, if you were doing the website, it
would give you a ready station to access from two
points. Say for example there’s an assassination
that you hear about in Russia right? And you hear
about it and you know that people aren't going to
hear about it quickly, you type it in and go
newsflash, let me think of somebody..........Lech
Tia: and you get it out and you list all the
possibilities that could occur from such an
assassination from your and our analytic view.
Russ: true. Now is there a way you can set up on
the computer so that the computer could do all the
figuring out for you at least in the same style as
yours is doing?
Tia: no, for that you would need probably maybe…
Russ: a hundred gigs?
Tia: ohhhh, just for you to make use stop and
pause and go is that alive and then realize that
Russ: it’s alive.
Tia: you are talking probably about a hundred
John: a hundred thousand gig?
Tia: uh-huh, ours up here on the base has
approximately two million gig in your terms.
John: and what's state-of-the-art nowadays Russ?
Russ: 10.4, you can get more but it's so
Russ: used to be a hundred megabytes of
information was top of the line. Now it’s a
thousand, now it's two thousand and four, she's
talking two million.
John: beyond our comprehension?
Russ: no but it’s just a different language.
Tia: uh-huh well also the language written into
the computer for it to be able to think for
itself, to act for itself and so on is so far
beyond your current technology that......it is so
far beyond the current technology of my home
planet that I have difficulty sometimes. I talk to
the computer and it understands me when I talk
English or Durondedunn, it understands exactly
what I’m saying and it will answer and it will
mimic if I’m going, "well, this.......no no no,
let me do it this way" and the computer will go,
"will you make up your mind please? I can’t stand
here all day whilst you vacillate and wobble
between what you're going to do and what you're
not going to do".
John: and that computer gives you that feedback
Tia: uh-huh, it will behave as if it’s irritated
or if you are in a mood that you need cheering up,
it will tell you jokes, it will make you laugh, it
will behave like somebody’s trying to cheer you
up. It will behave like it’s playful, it will play
practical jokes on you.
Russ: but it’s not aware.
Tia: I don’t think so.
Tia: sometimes it seems like it is or at least the
way that I talk to it and it talks back to me in
the same way. In fact the other day, no it was
before I went on my break, I got quite irritated
and it told me to relax and calm down and I got
annoyed with it saying, "will you shut up and let
me just do my work?" and it said, "if you don’t
relax and calm down, I’m not working". So we had
an argument over whether or not the computer was
going to work whilst I was throwing a temper
John: you had an argument with the computer?
Tia: uh-huh, quite drawn out actually.
John: sorry. From our standpoint.......
John: from a more practical standpoint, have you
given Russ and Mark enough information to upgrade
and to form this web and do the best we can with
the capabilities available on this planet and this
Tia: oh there is a lot more that we can discuss
but that is limited by energy endurance of Mark
and also time on the recording device which is
John: now, so I’m assuming that we are going to
discuss this and this will be part of our
discussion in the future.
Tia: oh yes, I will elaborate more at a later time
but at the moment I have to do a little bit of
research and translate from Durondedunn, well I
have to translate from English to Durondedunn
so I can comprehend it properly and then back to
English so that I can explain it to you without
getting all confused.
John: I understand but you do understand that my
heavy is not in computers.
Tia: I understand.
John: I’m very computer ignorant but I think that
my cooking and first aid and mountaineering
background will come in handy.
Tia: yes I think it will but when we worked
yesterday, Mark and myself on Russ' computer, we
did manage to get the system up and running and we
did manage to get everything taken care of. Even
though it was responding real slowly, which still
baffles me a little bit.
Russ: the turbo was off.
Tia: no it wasn’t.
Russ: oh it wasn't?
Russ: oh Mark said it was.
Tia: Mark thought it was.
Russ: oh, hmm.
Tia: but it was still responding slowly, I got
frustrated a couple of times with first of all the
lag from up here to Mark because Mark was not
typing as fast as I would like and he was asking
me, "are you sure that’s what you want to say?" We
were going backwards and forwards and it wasn't as
quick and then the computer itself was being slow.
I mean if I had got into Mark’s body and done what
Kiri did which I can do, the headset works better
on me than it does on Kiri actually, I would be
able to link in and type real rapidly.
John: through Mark’s body?
John: but Mark himself doesn't type that fast.
Tia: no, he uses…..
John: he does have some typing skills along with
Tia: his method on the keyboard is hunt and peck.
Tia: he's like a chicken. Me, I use two fingers.
John: is there......two hands you mean?
Tia: two hands, two fingers.
John: you said two fingers….
John: and you’re moving all your fingers and your
John: and you have four fingers and a thumb?
Tia: that’s correct, my fingers.......my hands
look like your hands apart my fingers are little
longer and slender and elegant.
John: okay, now since our computers….
John: I have limited capability and Mark and Russ
have limited typing ability….
John: is there something that’s affordable that we
can do to expedite getting this information and
sharing it with other people?
Tia: well you have a release date. Let’s say you
update every Monday morning right?
Tia: that gives you seven days from Monday
afternoon back to Monday morning to type in the
information that you want to update.
John: okay, so I’m picturing Russ working two
jobs, 14 hours a day….
John: staying up for an additional eight…..
Russ: I could do it between shows.
Russ: it's not a problem.
John: but I mean is it feasible?
John: is it practical?
Tia: uh-huh. Easily and there’s also……you’re
forgetting somebody else that is usable for that
that has direct access to here.
John: who’s that?
Tia: Mark. The other thing that you can do is as
you’re working on the computer, you get quicker so
therefore you can word things quicker you can type
away and you get quicker and more information out.
I think Omal was quite correct in saying to start
off with as a compromise once a week, actually he
said once every four days.
John: four days, yeah is what he said.
Tia: but I’m sure that Omal would probably raise
an eyebrow, maybe cross his arms and go, "okay" if
you ask him once a week". In fact I personally
would prefer that because that would give us
plenty of time on a Tuesday night to give you
information, sources to look at, areas to search
on the computer and for you compile the
information and meet the deadline.
John: and wouldn't that be also more practical
with Mark and Russ' busy schedules?
Tia: I don't think Mark's schedule is that busy
Russ: mine's not.
Tia: once the ski season ends.....
Russ: I got the whole night at the theater.
Tia: yeah and Mark will be working from eight till
five once the ski season ends and that will give
him plenty of time to come home if necessary, take
a nap and work until two in the morning.
John: I didn’t know that.
Tia: okay, I think the tape's about to expire