Presenting, Our Galactic Neighbors- Channeled (08/09/97)

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Archivist Notes: While anyone visiting this website will already have an understanding that we are not alone in this universe, the podcast for May gives an idea of just how not alone we are. Before we get to that though we will go over a new astral travel technique and spiritual growth's rate correlated to their economic condition. It's after all that Tia and I discuss the many races in just our galaxy and Tia is able to name off eleven of them. This conversation was started by the perceptions of alien species in our popular entertainment. Omal gives us a great dissertation on self-love and morals which also corresponds to the lessons given in the Ten Commandments. It was an excellent first side but side two was the continuation of a theme started on self-love Karra expand in for dealing with addictions. The two covered the most by Karra are smoking and alcoholism. They were covered in such detail we only have a bit of time for Tia to read a letter from Lyka and give an update on Kiri's trip to Sirius to visit her grandmother.

   Our start is a little unusual for a channeling session as Tia starts things off with a method of astral traveling that has a more ritual theme around it. That would give the method with a far more serious tone than the previous techniques she has shared before. She next puts the focus on what to watch for in the economy to see a trend leading to a downturn. We veer a little from that as she makes a point that consciousness growth is often dependent on a person's social standing. How well a person is doing sometimes correlates to the growth taking place. That is due to having less of a worry on where the next meal was coming from. On a related question about off-world species in the media, she expands the topic out to a treatise on the many alien races not covered by the media. Beyond the 11 she mentions, she goes on to talk the many non-humanoid races that are sharing the galaxy with us. It's amazing to know we have been given the help with have with so many other possibilities that could have been our reality. She ends her time channeling by getting slightly irked over the role Art Bell had in promoting a ship around a comet the Heaven's Gate cult committed suicide over in an attempt to board it. Being third dimensional, she has a less forgiving take on the event than others would have discussing it which was totally understandable at the time. She changes places with Omal who presents anyone looking at growing consciously, a dissertation that would be a helpful addition to anyone's learning in that he supplies another of his keys to ascension. This key is on self-love which opens a door to a love of all things that brings on a higher moral consciousness. He uses several of the Ten Commandments as a moral basis that covers most of the moral dilemmas a lightworker may face. Omal ends the side reviewing the words of Sananda to love thy neighbors as thyself. That, he points out, is something that helps all the other laws fall into place.

   Omal completes his discussion on morals then pivots back to Tia's topic where we use "Star Trek" as an example of some of the non-bipedal races of beings including "Q" who he compares to Ashtar. That brings on Karra next who has a very serious subject to discuss which is health problems in relation to the negative actions a person may choose such as addictions. She does mention addictions that can be good but she focuses this talk on two that are bad which are drinking and smoking. For drinking, she suggests some methods for dealing with the addiction which would be tough to implement on anyone not receptive to stopping. As for smoking, she actually points out some of the good it does Mark as he is a smoker. She notes that nicotine by itself isn't what is so harmful with smoking which gets us into ideas of eliminating all but the nicotine for those it could help. Karra's healer personality comes out as she looks at the chemical process that goes on when each of the addictions like food are satisfied and the endorphins released into the system. In a sense, it is self-medication that has to be replaced by something and that something is self-love. In this way, she compliments Omal's earlier on the subject and gives us a fuller understanding of the importance of loving oneself as well as others. She brings up the fact that out of addictions, not even heroin competes when it comes to the failure rate of first-time smokers who try to quit. She gives up the channeling space so that Omal can go over what was discussed. About the only things he has to comment on was that he had his suspicions someone in his office was leaking to her his topic for the night to enhance his. That leads him to suspect that a lesson in spiritual healing may be in the offering soon. He returns the session back to Tia close it out by first reading a letter from Lyka who is out in the field on some far-off third dimensional planet helping with its ascension process. Unfortunately, it is a letter that has a somber ending as she recounts those of her comrades keeping the oaths they made but losing their lives in the process. She gets us up to-to-date on Kiri's trip to the monastery to visit her grandmother we heard Kiri herself relate in a channeling session posted in July of 2014 from a channeling session that took place three days after this session. She ends things by contemplating bringing in Treebeard who was then still known then as the Man With the Can. It wouldn't be long before she mad that happen.
                          

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TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KIRI RUSS (Archivist)
OMAL
KARRA




SIDE 1

2.)(31:16)- Omal basically defines what it is to be a lightworker and how it starts is with self-love moving on to a high moral standard from the love of others and all things.
SIDE 2

1.)(00:00)- Omal finishes his discussion on higher moral consciousness by referencing "Star Trek" and commenting on Tia's discussion about the other races in the galaxy like comparing Ashtar to "Q".
2.)(5:32)- Karra presents a very constructive dissertation on addictions and how to deal with them as a healer. She focuses on two, drinking and smoking, as examples of addictions needing the most help.
3.)(33:20)- Omal pops back in to go over what Karra said has some suspicions someone is leaking his dissertations to Karra ahead of time as this is the second time the two had complimented each other.
4.)(36:37)- Tia reads a letter from Lyka who is on some third dimensional planet as an Oath Keeper as well as gives us an update on Kiri who is currently on Sirius visiting her grandmother at the monastery.
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SIDE ONE


(Tia starts the session off with news of Mark in his astral body)


Tia: ÖÖplays tag on the surface with a UFO.

Russ: oh God, whatís he doing that for?

Tia: I donít know.

Russ: hmm, anything for a little fun.

Tia: yeah, I suppose so.

Russ: yours or theirs?

Tia: mine? I donít follow.

Russ: your UFO or their UFO? The baseís UFO?

Tia: oh, the baseís UFO, yeah.

Russ: or their UFO?

Tia: whoís their?

Russ: take any number of alien beings, lock them all into one big category and call them their.

Tia: well do you think there would be any UFO's in the fifth dimension over our base?

Russ: could be coming in from one of the places that are friendly to you in the fifth dimension.

Tia: who knows, who knows? But heís up there playing tag.

Russ: well figures.

Tia: uh-huh. I suppose itís his way of letting off stream.

Russ: yeah, a lot of streams around there.

Tia: did I say streams? I meant steam. Sorry, itís not my language.

Russ: obviously. No problem, I have to laugh a little bit here once in a while.

Tia: oh, you want to laugh huh?

Russ: itís good for me, good for you, good for everyone.

Tia: oh I see, I get the picture. Okay, second dissertationÖ..

Russ: okay.

Tia: astral travel.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, this is a hybrid between the one from last week and the one that we have on the Internet, okay?

Russ: all right.

Tia: okay, it follows a fasting process of only a day, no food, no proteins at all. You have a darkened room with candlesÖ..you make a little bit of a ceremony out of this. You start off at the North point and light the North candle and then the East candle, the South candle and the West candle and you have them on the edges of a circle. You say a little prayer to each candle, a blessing of whatever feels comfortable for the individual. You lie down on your surface that you have for traveling. You take five long, deep breaths of about 2 to 3 seconds in length so you go (she breathes deeply in) and then you would exhale (she exhales) and you would do five of these and you would do them in the sitting position. Then, you would lie down and you would say a little blessing or prayer, again whatever you feel comfortable with and you would then take ten long, deep breaths. Again about 2 to 3 seconds each. Then you would close your eyes. You would meditate within yourself, try to clear your mind so that your mind is blank. Then, when your mind is blank, you will think to yourself, "my body is getting lighter and lighter, I am getting lighter and lighter, I am getting lighter and lighter". You would think this over and over again in your head. Do it approximately 20 times, approximately because we donít want you to go, "Iím getting lighter and lighter one, Iím getting lighter and lighter two", approximately. If you do 30 or 40, thatís fine, thatís great. Then, you would again shut down the internal dialogue and let your mind go blank. At this point you should start to feel lighter and lighter. You will feel your body or you should feel your body floating free. Continue thinking of nothing. You will raise up out of your body, or you should, and you will feel yourself free of your body. Just let yourself float, wherever you go you go, whatever you see you see, thatís all that matters at this point. Maintain this as long as you can, no time limits are set on this. Now returning back to your body, very simple you will think, "return, return to my body, return to my body" and you will repeat that until you feel yourself aware of your body. Then, you would get up and using your fingertips, starting at the North candle you extinguish each candle giving them a blessing as you do so. Again, whatever type of blessing that you are comfortable with you use and you would do it for each candle as you extinguish the candle. Now it might be handy as the candles should be your only light source to have a candle outside the circle, preferably a nice big bright one and that is your light candle and also your beacon for when you come back if you visualize yourself coming back. That is your beacon candle. And of course, when all the candles are extinguished, it is also your light source. Now having done this, you may wish to repeat it the following night but I suggest that you give it a rest of a day and have a meal of substance to replace the things that you have lost through fasting for the 24 hours. Whenever I say a day, I mean 24 hours or 23 hours, 58 minutes and however many seconds it is. Okay, now moving along to more important mattersÖ..

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay let us look at the marketís current entertainment.

Russ: it went up 10 points today.

Tia: 11 actually, not very much.

Russ: not very much.

Tia: no, but the NASDAQ did make records. So the NASDAQ set a new record, the Dow dropped, overall increase in shares did occur but even though the Dow did drop. As I said in the past, weíre using the Dow as an indicator. There are two other indicators that we do use, the Russell 500 and the NASDAQ composites. So with those we can analyze much easier by using three pointers. If you wish to use a fourth one, there's the S&P that you can also use but using these pointers gives you a good feel for the pulse of the economy. With these pulses, you can see whatís going on. If two go up and two go down, then itís pretty stable. If three go up and one goes down, it means that itís increasing and if the opposite occurs, three go down and one goes up, again itís decreasing. If all four go up, itís going up pretty fast. If all four go down, then it may be worth watching what is what is going on and seeing how the trends are. Now there are external trends to watch, for example gross national product, consumer confidence and inflation. Again three pointers worth watching. With these things like consumer confidence, you can see whatís happened in the past and the trends that are going. With the gross national product, again you can see the trends. See on whatís happening and how things are going. Inflation, again thatís a very good thing to watch for. Itís a handy tool to use to direct. So, a brief synopsis, the market at the moment is appearing to be stabilizing but it is worth watching to see how fast things grow. With things growing rapidly, of course there are always downtrends and these downtrends are worth watching to see how they continue. But at the moment, with its increases, itís hay time, to make hay, to have money, to invest if you feel that you need to invest. But what do you invest in? Well thereís lots of things that you can invest in and my recommendations are just as good as anybody elseís so whatís the point of me giving recommendations that anybody can give that knows a little about the market. Itís pointless, itís like an opinion, everybody has one. Any questions hon?

Russ: yeah love, youíre using Earth economic factors to determine things likeÖÖexcuse me for a secondÖ..to determine things like changes in our economyÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and indicators showing potential changes that are around the corner.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now what other indicators are there besides Earth indicators that you use?

Tia: we use things like the general behavior of people. By watching people and the way that they behave and how they talk will give you an indication on how they are doing. If you talk and observe enough people, you can come up with an opinion that is external to released figures that are calculated by governmental agencies, business corporations and so on. Which even though they're pretty accurate, they really donít know whatís going on, they donít have their finger totally on the pulse of the community. So what you want to do is to look at how people behave, how they interact, how they spend their money, what they spend their money on. If theyíre spending a lot of money, if theyíre not spending a lot of money. So you have to look at how people behave to see what is actually going on.

Russ: now is there a growth phase in consciousness to watch for at the same time?

Tia: hmmmm, yes and no, it depends on the social status of the individuals. People in the lower brackets tend to be concerned with one thing and one thing only which is?

Russ: thatís an unfair grouping though wouldnít you say?

Tia: Iím starting from the bottom and Iím working my way up.

Russ: okay, well Iíll play.

Tia: youíll play. Before we play, why do you have that reservation?

Russ: well due to the fact that Iíve been in that same bracket more times than I can countÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and yet every one of those times that Iíve been in that bracket have been my highest leaps in consciousness or at least in learning.

Tia: yes but youíve already been exposed to that quest for knowledge.

Russ: at my lowest points Iíve been exposedÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but at my higher points, those are the points I was never exposed to it.

Tia: yes but you were already spiritually aware.

Russ: well thatís just many lifetimes.

Tia: uh-huh, you were conscious of those lifetimes and of those experiences. Most people are not. Take for example your former girlfriend.

Russ: okay.

Tia: she was never exposed to those spiritual situations.

Russ: different continentÖ..or different country.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, what Iím talking about is those people born in the United StatesÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with those past lives from Atlantis now taking more of a predominant role in their consciousness and their growth.

Tia: okay let us look at another person.

Russ: okay.

Tia: Jack, very Americanized.

Russ: came from Greece though.

Tia: uh-huh but, let me follow this through.

Russ: okay.

Tia: heís very Americanized, I believe heís an American citizen correct?

Russ: oh yeah.

Tia: he worked for governmental agencies.

Russ: correct.

Tia: but yet he comes from the old world where there is a history of connection with Atlantis, where they actually do believe in Atlantis, itís not some harebrained scheme.

Russ: right.

Tia: so why is it that Jack is so different from you coming from a place where it is accepted, that it more than likely did exist?

Russ: hmm, because people who areÖ.

(Mark's cat Joey made a thump in the room above us)
 
Tia: sheís got heavy feet.

Russ: yeahÖ..people with more familiar........and it has to do with past lives. Okay yeah their belief that is there but their past lives are bringing them here to this country due to the technological nature of this country is completely similar to what Atlantis was so therefore Iím talking about people who were born in this country.

Tia: okay, David.

Russ: good point.

Tia: until he met youÖ.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: no idea of past livesÖ..

Russ: right.

Tia: no idea on spiritual awarenessÖÖ

Russ: right.

Tia: but, he was exposed to it. Now, David is in the bottom bracket correct?

Russ: oh yeah.

Tia: very much so and his spiritual growth goes in spurts. When he moves temporarily up into another bracket where he has property and so on, he searches but when he is knocked back down into the lower bracket heís more concerned with survival. Whereís my next meal coming from, whereís my next luxury coming from and thatís all heís concerned with. But, the average person that has not been exposed is more concerned with advancing to the next bracket. When they achieve that next bracket, they have a stable lifestyle, they wish to go on to the next level and the next level is having luxuries such as a car, TV, VCR, pets, computers and so on. Now having achieved that bracket, then they start to branch out for spiritualness. Whether it is from an established Christian religion or Celtic or Buddhism or Druidism or Hinduism or Muslim, whatever, they branch out and search. Now there are certain groups that are external, groups that have a strong ethnic background in spiritualism, theyíre outside of the normal run-of-the-mill people.

Russ: hmm, okay well take for exampleÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and this is why I bring this up, the fact that as you mentioned David wasnít much into it until he was exposed by myself.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: at that point took a much further interest.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now Iím taking this to the next level which is the fact that the media has kind of taken my position now. People are being exposed on a huge, wider scale and especially with the Internet tooÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: to where itís not just me telling people or people like me telling other people, theyíre seeing this in many different forms, especially the entertainment forms that are hugely popularÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and hugely making a point on their brains.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: inspirational or something like that. Now with that, I think weíre seeing the changes coming about from a larger group of peopleÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: in the same bracket that David was.

Tia: theyíre interested but they do not have the ability to advance. Mainly because there is one factor involved in the media that plays a very strong role in it.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: and that factor is, "how much money can we make from this?" So thereís a lot of erroneous information out there that is very deceptive, very uninformative due to the fact itís a mishmash of realities and fantasies. A collection of ideas that look compatible but are not. For example, let us take the humanoid species.

Russ: okay.

Tia: how many humanoid species do you know?

Russ: roughly four?

Tia: I can actually think of a lot more. Thereís my species, your species, the Zetaís, the Wookies, the Sirians, the Reptilians, yes they fit in there, theyíre bipedal life forms. They all have one thing in common.

Russ: hmm?

Tia: they all have hands or things approaching hands, they all have two eyesÖ..oh the blue guys, the androgynous race that we have up here. Okay so thatís eight races, all bipedal, all bifocal, all with digitals. Now, how many species are there that are spacefaring? Also the bat race and the pig race and the frog race that Markís seen so that brings it up to 11.

Russ: I would say theyíre all spacefaring except for the frog raceÖ

Tia: uh-huh. Now the question wasnít how many of those that are spacefaring, itís how many spacefaring races are there?

Russ: oh, quite a few.

Tia: uh-huh, a lot and the humanoids are just a small percentage of the spacefaring races.

Russ: theyíre not very good at it either.

Tia: no. There are other races out there that you would not recognize as lifeforms but they are alive. So your popular entertainment portrays basically this one category, the humanoids. They donít portray any of the gaseous lifeforms, they donít portray any of the liquid lifeforms, they donít portray any of the plant intelligent lifeforms, they donít portray many in the way of aquatic lifeforms that are intelligent spacefaring races.

Russ: ďMen in BlackĒ came kind of close.

Tia: no, not even close, not even close. There are so many different lifeforms out there that we make up as bipedal lifeforms, carbon based lifeforms, about maybe 2% if we're lucky.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: so what is in your popular entertainment is quite a lot of erroneous facts. Thereís a lot of truth in them but there is also a lot of information that is way off the mark. There are a lot of lifeforms out there that show no interest whatsoever in your species, in your planet, theyíre more interested in other things. So you see where Iím going with this?

Russ: right.

Tia: that the popular entertainment is probably about 2% accurate and the rest of it is fantasy, wishful thinking, mishmash of facts cobbled together that is there for purely entertainment. Now people like David go and to see things like this and they take it as thatís a possibility, that rings a bell. Itís the desire to feel not alone. Even though youíre not alone, but you want to feel comfortable, you want to be able to associate with an idea. So if you were to make a realistic entertainment on spacefaring races, you would be in for quite a shock on all the possibilities and all the possible motives and all the possible thought processes and so on. So that to say that the popular entertainment is a key element in the spiritual growth is wrong because there is a lot of mishmash ideas in there. Now what is useful is the revival in native consciousness meaning Native Americans, native British people, native Africans, native Chinese, their spiritual awareness is where the true information really is. Yes there is an increase in these things. Movies, TV series, documentaries, books, publications, all of these things have a connectedness but these massive blockbusters, "Men in Black", "Contact"........actually "Contact" is more realistic than "Men in Black" for your Earth terminology.

Russ: "Independence Day".

Tia: "Independence Day", "Star Trek", all these things serve a purpose primarily of entertainment. Little snippets, even "Star Wars", little snippets of information are scattered within. Little philosophies are scattered within but overall they are purely entertainment. Omal would beg to differ and Iíll let him deal with that in a little bit.

Russ: they do make my job easier.

Tia: what do you mean?

Russ: well when I discuss something like this, itís not like Iím having to start from scratch.

Tia: oh, no.

Russ: Iím building on a information base that people have already acceptedÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: as a possibility.

Tia: yes.

Russ: when Iím able to offer collaborating evidence towards that factÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Iím not starting from total disbelief.

Tia: no, no, there are a lot of people out there that do and they get suckered into these cults.

Russ: well if Omal allows your answers from the last part there, that will go a long way too.

Tia: uh-huh. A good example of being suckered in and a costly one is the Heavenís Gate group, they were suckered in badly.

Russ: yeah people are still asking whether or not "well, I wonder where they are now?"

Tia: theyíre dead.

Russ: yeah I know, theyíre in between lives going, "well that was pretty stupid......"

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: "letís not do that next time."

Tia: yeah, exactly. They were not picked up, there was nothing there and not enough credit has been given to the people that said that there was nothing there. I mean, Mark went there and told, there was nothing there. The information got out late but it wouldnít have changed anything.

Russ: no, people are going to do whatever they're going to do when they do it.

Tia: uh-huh. Art Bell did a lot of harm to the spiritual growth. Art Bell in my opinion is a joke but thatís my opinion. He may deny it, he may get upset, he may get angry but he is out there for the advancement and advancement only of Art Bell. Spiritually wise he is devoid in my opinion. Heís probably got spiritual inclinations but, the primary motivating factor is himself.

Russ: but again, just like with everything else, Art Bell serves a purpose.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: making my job easier.

Tia: he gets the ideas out there.

Russ: right, all I do is I cleanup his trash.

Tia: uh-huh and his trash is quite a lot.

Russ: yes but I mean without the trashÖ

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Iíd have to start creating that stuff.

Tia: yeah, it is possible in a way that you could say that Art Bell was responsible for the suicides of the Heavenís Gate crowd. By continuing that myth, they would have probably commited suicide anyway but he contributed to it in an indirect way.

Russ: well, nonetheless, the only responsibility lies with the Heavenís Gate members.

Tia: correct. Anyway, my time's up for this bit.

Russ: okay.

Tia: or do you have any last questions?

Russ: no, go ahead love.

Tia: okay.





(Omal comes on and jumps into his prepared dissertation)


Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal, an honor to have you with us again.

Omal: okay let us cover Tiaís long dissertation. Okay, about the only thing that I think that we could edit is the little bit concerningÖ..we can keep all of it.

Russ: fair enough, thank you, it was a good, informative dissertation Iíd say.

Omal: thank you, Tia is delighted.

Russ: Iíll bet she is.

Omal: okay, let us get down to my favorite topic, spiritual consciousness and development.

Russ: ahh, new key?

Omal: maybe, maybe not. Self-love, carrying on from where we left off.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay self-love, to quote, "there is no viler sin than self-love except self-neglect". Now why is it that Shakespeare used that quote that self-love is a sin? It is not. Self-love is the first key to development, to be able to evolve. After all, you cannot love others if you do not love yourself and with this self-love and how it grows and develops is something that comes along with spiritual growth. The more that you love yourself, the more that you take care of yourself, the more that you see opportunities to improve upon yourself. I donít mean externally as in cosmetics, I mean internally, making yourself a better person. Using experiences to grow, to take care of yourself. These things create self-love, they create confidence. Having confidence can lead you on a pathway of love of all things, being aware of where you wish to go, how you wish to develop, where you want to go, how you wish to be. All these factors together make you a better person in your development level on how you achieve your goal. Now, looking at higher consciousness in relationship to self-love, this is where it becomes more of a abstract idea but a idea which is a part of it. From self-love springs love of all things as I have stated. Now, with the spiritual growth that is incorporated in this and the natural progression and development that you go through on this spiritual quest is the idea that it is necessary to spread your knowledge. But, because the knowledge is not the accepted, normal practice, it is looked upon as strange. How do you overcome this? Very simply, you do not preach, you do not tell, as in dictating this is the way that it is, you tell it in a way that it works for me, it is a moral decision. And how you interact with this moral consciousness and people interact with you with the high ethical standards that comes with this in this moral setup. Moral behavior serves a key function. With the necessary interactions that come with a higher moral consciousness. "Do onto others as you wish done on to yourself". "Do as I say, not as I did". These are two phrases which are useful in the helping of other people. Let us look at "do as I say, not as I did". You use your failures, your mistakes, your pains, your sufferings as an example and what the answers should have been and how you learned from these mistakes. As a teacher and communicator, it is important to articulate these things well, to make it a good lesson in morality. And by teaching these morals, by interacting in a particular way, your development of yourself occurs as well as the individuals that you are teaching. And from this you get the feeling of affection for these individuals and from them the feeling of affection for you which increases your self-love of yourself that you have done a good job, that you have interacted well and the cycle is repeated. From this cycle a spiral is created. Instead of a spiral spiraling in, it is a ever-increasing spiral out from you. You may interact with four individuals, those four individuals may interact with four more individuals who interact with more individuals so your teachings and your moral principles are passed on but you have to stick to those moral principles. Those moral principles vary for each individual. For example, on the higher spiritual levels, adultery does not exist, fornication does not exist but on the third dimension it is part of the principles and teachings of a third dimensional religion. You can use the discussion of, "well, if we are created by a God and these things are pleasurable, then they cannot be bad". But they can be bad in a moral point of view because for example coveting your neighbor's person, wife, husband, whatever, creates friction. It may feel good to join with that individual but it is bad morally. It causes pain and jealousy and possibly even death. So these morals that are developed at an early age for individuals must be put into play for the spiritual growth and development that comes along with these matters. Do you have any questions?

Russ: hmm, itís tough to ask questions on something like this. The only thing I would really have a question about is the fact that even though your morals are set at a young age, wouldnít being the fall into those lessons and going through those problems create a higher standard of morals then afterwards?

Omal: no and the reason being that if you had learned your morals, you would not have needed to have  learned these experiences. You would not have had to experienced these things to realize that the morals were correct. You see the principal function of morals is so that you can interact and do not need to learn these lessons because these lessons have already been put before you, analyzed and learned by learning the morals. The morals are like learning
2+2 = 4, you donít have to go out there and find out for yourself, you have to learn that 2+2 = 4. It does not equal three or five, it equals four and that is the way that it is. So by learning morals, they are there so you that donít have to experience these situations. These situations bring upon pain and suffering. If you do not learn your morals, then they serve a function of creating the morals that you need. But the morals are there as a purpose, they are there to help you develop without suffering, without going through these problems. There are certainly in your lives more experiences that donít require morals that you can learn from but having to relearn these lessons that you should have learned through your morals strikes me as a bit of a waste. It slows down the growth and it slows down your development.

(a phone rings in the background)

Omal: pause the tape please. Okay, more questions please.

Russ: okay, in any form of civilization, we're all basically going upon what people have taught us, where people of gone wrong before. The only problems I have is the fact that a lot of people would feel that okay, theyíve been there, theyíve done that but I won't learn the lesson correctly until Iíve done that and Iíve seen this happen a million times before. What do you tell these people, this is a waste of time?

Omal: no, I tell them that they have not learned their lesson so they have to experience it for themselves. They have not learned their moral principles, they have not achieved the spiritual awareness to follow their morals so therefore they have to relearn the reasons why they learned their morals in the first place. Certain morals that have gone throughout the ages, "thou shalt not kill", thatís a good example and a good way of putting it. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighborís wife", causes friction, can even cause murder which goes to the second one or to the first one "thou shalt not kill". "Thou shalt not steal", which can cause jealousy, jealousy because a person has and another person does not. The person that does not steals, upsets the person that does or did and can end in physical harm and even back to the first one, killing. These are three principal morals.

Russ: hmm, now Jesus in the New Testament, he said basically....or Sananda, "love thy neighbor as yourself".

Omal: that is a commandment, from the 10 Commandments.

Russ: oh okay, well what did he say? He says, "this law is above all the others".

Omal: that is, let me quote, "the Lord God Jehovah", that is from the 10 Commandments. "Love thy neighbor as thyself", that is my fourth statement that I was going to come to.

Russ: oh.

Omal: "this law is above all else". And it goes back to last weekís dissertation and self-love, why?

Russ: because with that, all the other laws fall right into place.

Omal: correct. That if you love your neighbor, you will not want to have his or her bond mate so therefore you will not covet thy neighborís wife or husband. TwoÖ..


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SIDE TWO


(Omal comes back to the point he was making)


Omal: ......"thou shalt not steal". If you love all things, then you cannot steal because of the respect that you have for all things and certainly you should not kill because killing somebody is killing yourself in essence. But, there are certain sciences.....certain circumstances where it becomes necessary to break "thou shalt not kill" and that is where it involves self-love and the well-being of other people. That you give yourself as a protector to a group of individuals that cannot protect. If an individual is trying to kill you, then you have to protect the group and in doing so you may have to harm and even kill this individual. This is where it becomes another one that should be the 11th commandment, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one". From your popular entertainment, a little glimmer of philosophy and truth. As Tia put it, there is a lot of erroneous information but little snippets normally involving philosophies. Next question please.

Russ: well along that same line, when she mentioned the various lifeforms that we arenít even dealing with in the popular entertainment, there are things like the older versions or even the newer versions of "Star Trek" which deal with lifeforms that arenít bi-pedal that we would never have any glimpse of except through this. For example, TribblesÖ.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean theyíre definitely not bi-pedal, theyíre a lifeform and all they are is just a ball of fur. Cute story but again it emphasizes things that go along with that. There's other things that are just energy yet they are lifeformsÖ.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and they travel in space.

Omal: uh-huh. These things that you see in your popular entertainment are just the tip of the iceberg.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: yes.

Russ: what about things like "Q"?

Omal: you should talk to Ashtar.

Russ: thatís pretty close huh? Without the ego probably.

Omal: next time Ashtar is present call him "Q". Instead of Ashtar, call him "Q".

Russ: Iíll do so. I donít really think Iíll get a laugh out of him but Iíll do so anyway.

Omal: you will later.

Russ: okay.

Omal: you also bring a smile to some very tired faces.

Russ: alrighty, Iíll do so.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: youíre welcome. Live long, prosper and, Iíll be back.





(Tia transitions to Karra's channeling but treads dangerous territory)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

Russ: that was quite good, I liked that.

Tia: uh-huh, probably do with some liquid for his throat.

Russ: yeah let me pause this and i'll go.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: rock Ďn roll.

Tia: itís back online? Good.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: but as I was saying, itís not for me to say, thatís between you and your loved one.

Russ: weíre dealing with it.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Iím essentially finding little relaxing bits of time throughout the day to kind of keep that steady flow.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: and I got the feeling she talked me into not turning my alarm on last night too.

Tia: how much did you oversleep by?

Russ: two hours.

Tia: probably, probably.

Russ: I was in enough of a relaxed state where I was easily manipulated.

Tia: uh-huh.

Tia: yes, well sheís good at manipulating you. I sometimes wonder when I hear stories of, sort of like, ďhello, my nameís Russ, Iím the puppet of Karra.Ē

Russ: well we have a wonderful relationship so I encourage her, whenever she'd like to help out in my directions itís perfectly fine, she has much more experience in these matters than I do sometimes. Or else why bother having a twin soul on a higher dimension?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll take full advantage of it whenever you can.

Tia: okay.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Russ: bye.






(Karra has a serious dissertation in store for the night)


Karra: hello.

Russ: hey sweetheart.

Karra: yes, I had to tell Tia to butt out, she was going to read you the riot act.

Russ: I figured she would butÖÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it wouldnít have much effect on whatever my decisions are.

Karra: oh correct, correct and we have to pursue our path for a particular reason.

Russ: true.

Karra: okay now, let us get on to more serious things. Let me address a healing issue and last week we discussed dealing with mental problems. Now, let us move along to the next step of dealing with problems and that is health problems created by negative actions, neglect in essence. Now, why does somebody neglect themselves? Well, this occurs for many reasons. One is they donít have the time, they donít have the energy, they donít have the ability and they donít have the cognitive thought processes to realize that their behavior is causing the problem. Now let us look at addiction as one of the neglecting factors. There are certain addictions which are beneficial, the addiction to food, the addiction to water, these are necessities but let us look at some other addictions, let us look at the addiction to alcohol. Now alcohol is a depressant, it depresses the system and it leads to a whole host of other problems such as cirrhosis of the liver, stomach ulcers, intestinal problems, mental problems, bladder problems, these are things that can be dealt with if it is realized that alcohol is a problem. Now, having dealt recently with an individual that suffers from alcoholism, what did we learn? Well we learned that first of all you have to make the person aware of the problem. This is only the first step, making the person aware of the problem. Hmm, okay theyíre aware of the problem, now you have to change their behavior to make them deal and address the problem to get over the fact that alcohol has become a ruling factor in their life, that they are destroying themselves through using alcohol.

Russ: right.

Karra: but donít get me wrong, alcohol is a great release. It helps you to relax, it helps you to sleep if itís needed, it helps you to lower your inhibitions so you can interact if youíre feeling tense, these are great benefits. But when it becomes necessary to use alcohol repeatedly so that these functions can occur, you need to address the root problem which is not the addiction but the mental processes which are involved that make you hesitant in these situations. Now getting back to how to make somebody that is aware that they have a drink problem start to address the problem. Well there are many, many different ways of doing this but theyíre all hard and it dovetails nicely with Omalís dissertation last week and this week on self-love. You have to first of all make them aware of self-love, that they are worthy of love, that they do not need this negative stimuli and depressant in their life, that they can progress further on. Dealing with alcoholism is a very draining and day by day event. Having got them.....sheís quite correct, that cat does have big feet.....having got them to realize that their problem can be dealt with, that they can carry on functioning without this alcoholic stimuli is something that has to be reinforced day after day, week after week. Most alcoholics stay alcoholics. The lucky few forsake alcohol and become functioning, useful individuals. Some alcoholics are functioning, useful individuals but it must be emphasized that the health problems by using the substance outweigh any benefit whatsoever. Now letís move along to another addiction and a very interesting addiction. First of all, on a side note, there was a lady that died recently at the age of 122. Do you know what her addictions were?

Russ: uh-uh.

Karra: she smoked. The only reason she stopped smoking was because she could no longer see her cigarettes to light them. Iím not saying that cigarettes are good, theyíre very, very bad but they do serve a function. Now, the channeler smokes, is there anything good from him smoking?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: which is?

Russ: control of various problems that would arise if he didnít smoke?

Karra: such as?

Russ: tension, stress.

Karra: hmm, I think he could deal with those without smoking, he has other ways of releasing his stress and his tension.

Russ: well itís been said that cigarettes are actually both a depressant and a stimulate.

Karra: yes they are.

Russ: they actually interact in the system in both ways depending on how it reads the systemÖ.

Karra: correct.

Russ: very smart substance actually.

Karra: it is. Nicotine itself does not kill, not unless you overdose. Nicotine on its own does no harm to the system whatsoever. What they put in there is what causes the problems. There are certain byproducts from the tobacco which cause problems but, let us say that the host, the channeler did not have the need to smoke. Thereís no reason for him to smoke. He is in his current health condition, what use would smoking serve?

Russ: nothing I can see of.

Karra: there is one.

Russ: hmm?

Karra: one medical use for smokingÖ.

Russ: hmm?

Karra: do you know what it's supremely good for?

Russ: what?

Karra: itís actually the nicotine thatís inhaled into the system.

Russ: hmm?

Karra: it controls colitis.

Russ: oh, I didn't know that.

Karra: well it doesnít actually control it, what it does is it takes away the inflammation.

Russ: oh.

Karra: it depresses the inflammation.

Russ: well what if they just took the nicotine out and made it just the nicotine as a substance to be used?

Karra: in a pill form?

Russ: well a pill or liquid, I mean theyíve done it with a hundred different substances.

Karra: uh-huh, do you know whatís the quickest way into the system?

Russ: eyes?

Karra: no.

Russ: mouth?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: a drop of that on your tongue.

Karra: no, it has to go down into the intestinal tract, it has to be digested by the area or passed through the area that is damaged. Actually, it will pass through there, the end product, right? It takes anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes for the drug to interact. Now what is the quickest way to get into the blood flow?

Russ: in smoking form?

Karra: correct. Do you know how long that takes?

Russ: seconds.

Karra: 15.

Russ: yeah I know, from my old days.

Karra: correct, 15 at the maximum.

Russ: so if you inhaled it?

Karra: sorry?

Russ: I mean as in like a gaseous form.

Karra: yes, that would work. Well thatís what heís doing when he fires up a cigarette correct?

Russ: yeah but like if it was in a gaseous form added with like oxygen or something?

Karra: that would work.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Karra: uh-huh. But you see that a harmful addictionÖ.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: does have a use.

Russ: right.

Karra: and sometimes people are immune to the effects. The offspring of this 102 year old lady that passed away recently, they probably have a much higher tolerance to carcinogenics and cancerous substances.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: having lived that length of time, that is like living a thousand years for us. Those people are special, you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: so harmful addictions sometimes can serve as a purpose in an indirect way. Certainly cigarettes are very harmful and I would prefer it if nobody took it up but, there are benefits sometimes. Something that I am a prepared to admit even though I have an intense disliking for cigarettes and the harm that it does, there are benefits. There are benefits to everything. There are benefits to alcohol in moderation. It is fun, I drink but somebody that drinks excessively to the point of obliteration serves no function whatsoever. You might as well hand them a handgun and say get it over and done with. They are killing themselves but the occasional glass of wine, the occasional tipple is beneficial as is I would much prefer that he smokes cigars than cigarettes. There are less harmful chemicals in cigars.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: but itís his choice. Okay let us look at some other addictions, food. Glorious food, wonderful food, we need it, we have to have food, it is a necessity but it can also be an addiction. Too little food and you starve and die, too much food, you become overweight and you die. The right amount of food is perfect. What do all these addictions have in common?

Russ: you get pleasure.

Karra: yes, that is one thing but not the thing Iím looking for.

Russ: oh.....hmm......

Karra: okay letís look at getting pleasure.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, what happens when you get pleasure?

Russ: you feel good.

Karra: uh-huh but what goes on, what is the process that makes you feel good?

Russ: your brain relaxes.

Karra: endorphins are released to give pleasure. A chemical reaction takes place, thatís what I was looking for.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: a chemical reaction. Now, each one is very, very different, each one is a necessity. Chemicals are released to give pleasure, each one has a positive and negative affect, each one serves as a lesson in learning. But how do we address them when they become problems?

Russ: well, usually the best way is to replace them with something positive and something helpful.

Karra: yes but youíve got to be very, very careful. For example, let us take alcoholism as that is the one that we started with.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: what would you replace that with?

Russ: something to do with learning or entertainment.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: a hobby.

Karra: hmm yes, that can work but there is a much better and easier way.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: and when I say easier, it is hard, all of the substitutes are hard. You have to address the root problem. As with drinking and eating, not so much with smoking, smoking is a very hard one to deal with but the principles can be used. You have to first of all diagnose why the person has the desire to drink to excess.

Russ: well itís a question between self-destructiveness and self-love.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: thereís a lack of one and an overabundance of the other.

Karra: correct, so you have to activate the self-love. The same with eating disorders, you have to activate the self-love. Smoking as I said is a difficult one because yes, if a person continually smokes, chain smokes, that then does become a mental and psychological situation that needs to be addressed but when itís the occasional cigarette and I mean occasional being every so often, not continuously, then it is not so much of a mental problem but of an addiction, an addictive nature where they actually need the cigarette at predetermined times. Self-medication in a way. The same with alcohol and food, it is self-medication. Learning to control that self-medication is the first step. You see the addiction for alcoholism is subtle, you donít notice it until itís too late and then itís got you. To get off of it has to be dealt with one of two ways, cut off, no more forever or through a subtle way that it is gradually replaced by something else where the person doesnít notice that theyíre not drinking as much at first and when they do realize that they're drinking less, they are rewarded by feeling better and good by themselves. So it is a communication that needs to transpire and it comes back very nicely I think to self-love and the growth and development. Now any questions?

Russ: hmm, I can see where something that would make a person feel more self-love would be the best bet so knowing the person as well as one could would be the first step in being able to treat that problem.

Karra: well sometimes that doesnít work.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: sometimes you can offer and you can offer and you can offer. For example, with the alcoholic that we mentioned to start off withÖ

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you offered and you offered and you offered and what happened?

Russ: the addiction was too strong.

Karra: uh-huh. When Mark tried to help, even though it was for a brief period, there was a brief glimmer there. You see, sometimes it is necessary to be very subtle. You can offer and you can offer and you can offer but first of all it has to be accepted and be made aware that the offer is being made but it has to be done sometimes subtly.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: and it takes a long, long, long time. Sometimes you can do it the other way, by making them cut off totally.....whatís your phrase for cutting off totally?

Russ: cold turkey?

Karra: doing it that way. Sometimes, and this is one of the more effective ways, it is best to do it first of all get the self-esteem going and then cut off, the subtle approach with a harsh approach at the appropriate time. This is certainly a very effective way that works quite well. More questions please?

Russ: what about withÖ..

Karra: she has big feet.

Russ: yes she does. Giving them aÖ..because you donít want them to depend on you, you want them to depend on themselves more than anything else.

Karra: to start off with they may need to depend on you.

Russ: true but then that just replaces the addiction there.

Karra: yes but itís a much easier addiction to deal with.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: something that by taking away the harsh addiction and having an addiction of depending on somebody is better than having a destructive addiction. That is the first step, you take away the destructive one for one that is less destructive, that is easier to deal with and address and you keep on progressing up and up and up. By replacing the addiction with the addiction of needing somebody's company is the first step. An example is, letís say you have somebody that relies on you that that youíve replaced their alcoholic addiction from......

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and they want to around 24 hours a day.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and you say to them, "look, Iíve got to go to the shops to buy food otherwise we donít eat, come with me". You take them to the shops, you're getting them out and you're getting them interested and interacting with other things. Supposing they donít want to go to the shops? You go, "okay you stay here, I will be back as quickly as I can, I promise you I will not leave". You arrive at the shops, you call, "just wanted to check and make sure youíre alright, Iíll be home as quickly as I can, Iím just going into the shop right now". As soon as you come out you call, tell them, "got the groceries, got you something special, got you a bar of chocolate, got you a video to watch, got you some music to listen to, got you your favorite food, got you your favorite coffee brand, got you your favorite soft drink". First step and you can go through this and gradually you increase the time that youíre away. You call frequently to start off with and then gradually less frequently and less frequently and youíre getting them to rely more and more on themselves. It may take two months, it may take six months, it may take a year, it may take even longer but you are weaning them off of the second addiction.

Russ: well right now it seems that there is more social pressure on addictions, especially smoking than there ever has been before.....

Karra: oh yes.

Russ: to where I know very few smokers who havenít tried or arenít trying to quit.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes, itís a very addictive substance. Do you know what is more addictive than cigarettes?

Russ: heroin.

Karra: uh-uh.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: heroin gets you hooked quicker.

Russ: you mean cocaine?

Karra: heroin.

Russ: yeah I know but more addictive?

Karra: there is nothing more addictive.

Russ: really?

Karra: uh-huh. The failure rate of people getting off of heroin is lower than people quitting smoking for the first time. People trying to get off heroin the first time succeed at a higher rate than first-time smokers trying to quit.

Russ: hmm, I didnít know that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so actually this thing we were talking about, this nicotine and air mix or whateverÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that could be a viable product in the future to somebody.

Karra: it could be, could be. So, let us round out on this dissertationÖ..

Russ: okay.

Karra: and this discussion. Okay, let us address addictions, theyíre bad. No two ways about it, theyíre bad but, sometimes they do have benefits if they are controlled. To help somebody, you have to do things that are hard. To go through the experience is hard but they serve a purpose of learning how to deal with situations. The key to dealing with the situations is listening and offering and self-love, creating that self-love. Any more questions hon?

Russ: just a song Iíd like to sing for you.

Karra: okay.

(Russ badly sings an old "James and Bobby Purify" tune)

"Pull my string and Iíll dance for you, Iím your puppet."

Karra: youíre not my puppet.

(Russ starts laughing)

Russ: I know darling, I got a laugh out of that though.

Karra: uh-huh, see you later hon.

Russ: bye love.




(Tia returns to let Omal make his comments)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, I better put on the official person but before I do that I need to address something.

Russ: okay.

(drinks from a cup nearby)

Tia: what is with his throat?

Russ: I think he's just smoking.

Tia: oh.

Russ: back to cigarettes again.

Tia: yeah I think so.

Russ: itís more harmful to it.

Tia: yeah probably, okay.

Russ: all right.





(Omal gives his input on the dissertation of Karra's)


Omal: okay Russ, let us go over Karraís dissertation. Iím not a healer. Let us look closely at what she is saying. She is in essence following on from where I left off.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: she is pursuing a avenueÖ..I donít know if it is deliberate, I do not know if anybody in my department, my administrative department is leaking my dissertationsÖÖthis is the second time that sheís done it and I think it is great. If they are then they will not get into trouble and be penalized for this. What is going on is beneficial. It could be karmic that Karra and myself are traveling along the same path at the moment. Certainly she seems to be giving more information on dealing with medical healing as well as physical and mental healing. It wouldnít surprise me if she starts dealing with spiritual healing next. Healing is not just taking care of the physical body. You can fix a physical body but you can also have to fix the mind and with that a well-rounded out healer should be able to fix the spiritual problems or at least be able to address them. So, Karra is pursuing a path very similar to mine at the moment. Thatís all I can really add at this time. Let me quickly run down over our transcript........the comments about, yes, she does have a big feet, you can probably strike that but that is between you and Karra (we kept it). That is about it, Karraís reference to dovetailing nicely with my dissertation we can keep and rounding out, you two might want to get together when you are editing this and enlarge and clear up the vagueness in that. It strikes me as being a little vague in places. You might want to enlarge the section a little on that.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right, thank you.

Omal: live long, prosper and I will be back.




(Tia starts the end of another awesome channeling session by reading a letter from Lyka)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay, how much tape do we have?

Russ: five minutes.

Tia: okay, itís just us.

Russ: oh.

Tia: next week we will have the monster back. Let me see.....oh I know, good job I transcribed some of this.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, it readsÖÖmy transcription this isÖ.."Hello Kiri, hello Tia, hello Mark, hello Russ, hello Karra and anyone else I missed, big hug to all the Cubs, Alex and Leonedies, David, Michael, Klarra, etc., etc., etc.. Doing well, sound and safe, very tired, lucky to be whole and in one piece and enjoying my chance to rest and unwind as best as I can. Donít worry, Iím perfectly safe, Iím not going to do anything stupid, promise to come back in one piece more or less. The idea of returning in a body bag is not my idea of fun and I guarantee that I will do my "ÖÖ..why in the hell did I put that in there? "I will do my best to return in one piece and not in a messed up, intimate state." I think thatís about the best way to word what she put down or rather what she said. Itís one of the things of transcribing directly is that you you put in exactly what people say. "I am sad at the loss of so many good friends and comrades but such is the price of keeping oneís oath. When I come back Russ, watch yourself, I will give you a demonstration on swordplay you will never forget. Love, hugs, kisses"ÖÖpretty much the rest of it was to Kiri, myself and Mark.

Russ: well thatís a good little shot from her.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: wherever she was.

Tia: well this was the first one that we got.

Russ: oh.

Tia: okay, got any questions to round out this session?

Russ: not so much, just.......oh yeah, did Kiri go talk to Sarah for a while?

Tia: thatís where she is at the moment.

Russ: oh thatís where sheÖ...

Tia: sheís up the monastery. She leaves on Thursday or Friday, I donít know, Mark keeps those things straight in his head. She will be back on Sunday night so I assume that she will be leaving Friday.

Russ: so how is Leonedies getting along there?

Tia: we havenít heard directly from her since she arrived at the monastery, all's we got was, "arrived safely, will call when I leave."

Russ: oh.

Tia: they donít do much in the way of external communication except for emergency purposes and medical purposes.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: probably the biggest offender of using their communication system for, as Omal would put it frivolous chitchat, is Kiri and Karraís grandmother.

Russ: for good reason.

Tia: oh yeah.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: followed very closely by Sarah herself but everything seems to be all right. She did some of the disc on the dispatch from their leaving which we do have where she complained about the rain and Leonedies misbehaving himself on the hike and so on. And I believe she covered that in the call that she made as well.

(the trip was channeled more fully by Kiri in a podcast from July of 2014)

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: I have to talk to Mark about that, he keeps track of things like that you know. Let me see, thatís about everything.

Russ: well thatís good.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm glad sheís doing well.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: kind of quiet without her around.

Tia: yes it is quiet, I miss her. Iíve got nobody to wrestle with.

Russ: yeah I can imagine, well Leahís there.

Tia: yeah but itís not quite the same you know? Itís not that connectedness.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: and Leahís missing Leonedies.

Russ: they have gotten closer.

Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, itís just one of those things.

Russ: thatís good, whereís Leah tonight?

Tia: sorry?

Russ: whereís Leah tonight?

Tia: sheís probably helping Mark settle the Cubs down.

Russ: oh, Mark finally made it there?

Tia: uh-huh, about 20 minutes or so ago.

Russ: well Iím glad to hear he might be going back on duty.

Tia: uh-huh, I think thatís great as well.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: itís all up in the air and everything.

Russ: he needs more activity.

Tia: oh I think so too. I mean spending all that time with the head gardener or what did he call him?

Russ: the Man With the Can.

Tia: yes, thatís a good one, the Man With the Can. Actually, he would make a great guest speaker if I can get him to do so, the Man With the Can.

Russ: yeah he would wander a bit though wouldn't he?

Tia: yes, but picking through would beÖ.


THE TAPE ENDS


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